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HTC Pro vs HTC Touch Cruise

I just purchased an HTC Touch Pro and have some observations about it compared to my Touch Cruise which I've used with good success for over 6 months.
The TP screen is slightly smaller -- probably evident if I'd looked at the specs more closely but I was a bit surprised to have them side by side and realize this. The VGA on the TP overcomes any loss in screen area -- the display is quite clear and the lettering crisp. Since it's the same as the Diamond this is probably "old news" for most.
The TP is narrower and slightly shorter than the TC. Surprisingly, its added thickness due to the keyboard is hardly noticeable.
Have to admit I'm a bit disappointed by the TF3D compared to my TC -- perhaps it's just my normal usage pattern (I've always been comfortable with a stylus and use a combination stylus/pen/pencil) since I regularly use my finger/finger nail for many things on my TC with good success. The TF3D is slick and the graphics are nice -- love the weather display. But I'm considering setting it up like my TC w/o the TF3D because I find there are limitations that don't match what I'm used to with Wisbar/PocketBreeze/PocketWeather. I need to practice with the TF3D some more to ensure it's not just my unfamiliarity with it since its finger commands are far more comprehensive than the TC capabilities.
There is no question in my mind that HTC has done a great job of packaging and presenting this jewel. Although in many ways it's similar to the TC, it just seems more slick and "refined" -- comfortable to hold and use -- the keyboard is really good -- a worthy competitor to the iphone IMHO.
But..... is the ~$1K price worth what I "gain" over the TC -- I'm not yet convinced it is.

someone offered me a touch pro... i checked out the diamond, loved it and decided the i'd buy the touch pro since the only thing i didn't like about the diamond is the fact that it doesn't have a MicroSD slot. to be honest, i'd prefer a Diamond.. but the lack of memory slot is such a ****ed up business that i decided that even tho the TP is 50g heavier, i'd rather have it than have the diamond

Are you buying an actual Touch Pro or one of the gimped service provider versions? I'd go with 100% genuinely tasty HTC branded version.
Anywhoo, as you pointed out, you can always change the UI, and the device is significantly more powerful than the TC.
By the way, if you don't want your TC, i'll take it off your hands for exactly free.

fzzyrn said:
Are you buying an actual Touch Pro or one of the gimped service provider versions? I'd go with 100% genuinely tasty HTC branded version.
Anywhoo, as you pointed out, you can always change the UI, and the device is significantly more powerful than the TC.
By the way, if you don't want your TC, i'll take it off your hands for exactly free.
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what a great offer. i'd go for it

fzzyrn said:
Are you buying an actual Touch Pro or one of the gimped service provider versions? I'd go with 100% genuinely tasty HTC branded version.
Anywhoo, as you pointed out, you can always change the UI, and the device is significantly more powerful than the TC.
By the way, if you don't want your TC, i'll take it off your hands for exactly free.
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Yes it's the HTC UK version -- everything as described in numerous reviews -- I think my challenge is to learn TF3D. Once I get used to it I'll feel more comfortable with the overall interface. I'm using my TC and TP side by side right now -- while it's true the TP is more powerful (and a very nice UI) it holds its own.

I wish that the pro/diamond "dial" thing ont he dpad did the same things that the cruise one does, i can't get enough of that thing. so usefull. I didn't see in the specs that the touch pro had a smaller screen. Thought it was 2.8, like every other screen/

briggs81 said:
I didn't see in the specs that the touch pro had a smaller screen. Thought it was 2.8, like every other screen/
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Umm, not sure what spec you looking at but HTCs website says both are 2.8

dazza9075 said:
Umm, not sure what spec you looking at but HTCs website says both are 2.8
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Why are you quoting me? Read the original post.

appologise, miss read it.

I have been looking at the TC mainly because I am not going to drop 1K on it. Also the fact that the diamond dose not has a card slot is just plain stupid. I am torn between the TC & the Kaiser. For the most part they both have the same specs. I currently have the Hermes & do not use the slide out much. So, missing it wouldn't be a big deal. Any thoughts on which is the better device?

brucewilson:
does this post means to say that TP and TC are physically almost the same? in specification, for me, TP should have a lot more power compared to TC (in both RAM and ROM size, don't remember what CPU speed is). shouldn't it be a lot faster in executing whatever you tell it to do? sorry if my question sounds dumb, I just used my TC for exactly 7 days when it broke (it just decide to break and all I do is using it as GPS to get around different states) and I just got it back from HTC repair yesterday. so I'm ready to trade it up with something more powerful and is not as easy to break. was looking at Kaiser but for some reason doesn't find much appeal in it, Raphael is more attractive, probably the glossy look and the keyboard?

The Touch Pro has a Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 processor MHz where the Cruise only has a 400 MHz processor. The Touch Pro also has double the memory.

I think the Touch Pro is perfect. strong graphics, strong CPU, lots of memory, MSD slot.. and all those new features someone found using the front of the device

Coming from Hermes, looking for new device. TP? questions

Hi all
I have been using a HTC Hermes (t-mobile vario II) for the last 2 years now and the phone is starting to show its age, still working but cracks have started to appear in the housing, the paint has all but worn off and i think its time for me to get a new handset.
the KEY thing for me is a DEDICATED keyboard like on the hermes/TP hence my decision on provisionnaly settling on a HTC Touch Pro device!
now, i do not know how many of the current touch pro adopters came from the hermes side or have used a hermes so this question is to them:
1) Does the TP feel QUICK compared to the Hermes?
the rest of the questions are for the normal users:
2) does the slider on the touch pro feel solid? i.e. no side-to-side rocking?
3) what is the battery life like under normal use?
4) I am reading about problems with the device as per it not waking up after going to sleep and a soft-reset being required, has this been proven to be the flakey touchflo3d software??
i will be using the handset primarily as a document viewer/IM/email/phone device and as such i will quite probably be stripping the first rom i could find to cook it my own way, so....
5) is it possible to get true vga on this device? i.e. changing the DPI of the screen from 96 --> 128?
6) are there are any other known issues with the Raphael device?
this is all part of my 'pre purchasing research' and i will be getting this handset as i have got all my other handsets sim free but instead of getting them second hand like i have been, this one will be brand spanking new and i will most likely be paying sticker price unless someone can find a nice e-tailer selling it cheap!
many many thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this and to everyone who takes the time to reply

upside .

My previous phone was a Hermes:
1. Yes, big difference. A lot snappier, and overall more stable and powerfull.
2. Yes, better then my Hermes (disassembled my Hermes a few times, maybe that's why, but i defenately like the spring slider mechanism of the TP, al lot smoother then the Hermes.)
3. Define normal. For me it's about 30% better then the Hermes. About 24 hours under heavy use.
4. Yes, if you don't run TF3D on a stock ROM, it has no problems at all. But if you want ot run TF3D : I've flashed the stock ROM that proved to be buggy to DCS 1.5 and no crashes since then even with TF3D running.
5. Don't know, never tried that.
6. Nothing serious that i know of.
Overall i'm very satisfied with my device, i think it's the perfect upgrade for the Hermes. Hope this helps.

Would you recommend the Fuze?

I've really been considering to buy the Fuze, but I'm getting mixed reviews. For all the Fuze owners, please answer the poll so that us potential buyers will know what to do.
Thanks!

anyone else wanna vote?

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anyone else wanna vote?
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I'm stuck in between the Fuze and the Touch Pro now... I really don't know which one is better? They are the same price nowadays.

I recommend it. I had the Tilt before and I love the Touch, its probably the best WM phone I've had (I've used the Sprint 700wx, Sprint Q, Sprint Touch, AT&T Tilt and now the AT&T Fuze).
I'm sure the few issues that exist with the Fuze will be fixed within a month or two because of the wonderful people we have here making custom ROMs, porting radios, etc.

I am very happy with my Fuze. It's not perfect and definitely needs some tweaks, but I think it is the best Windows Mobile phone ever put out. The screen is fantastic and makes it worth it by itself.
Pros:
VGA screen
Excellent multimedia
Youtube works both in it's own app and the mobile website
Slingbox looks fantastic
Expanded keyboard
Sleek design
Touch Flo 3D really works good
Finally, good bluetooth reception
Cons:
So-so d-pad
More remappable buttons needed
No headphone out jack
I do miss the tilting screen of the Tilt
No forward facing camera (why AT&T?)
Overall, I love the phone. I don't even need to use my laptop much anymore. Plus, it should only get better. I can't wait to see the Fennec web browser released for WinMo.

The Fuze can run on AT&T's 3G bands, which is the biggest difference. Physically, the Fuze has a PTT button (remappable using a trick in this forum) and the Pro has a front-faceing camera, but they are otherwise the same. You can install whatever Touch Pro ROM you want on the Fuze once you flash Hard SPL on it, so the software difference should not be an issue. If you're on AT&T and in a 3G area, it's a no-brainer decision between the two.

Tempest790 said:
No forward facing camera (why AT&T?)
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US carriers don't support that functionality so it's cheaper for HTC to leave it out all together.

I've swithed from iPhone after droolling over Fuze release date for 2 months. First couple of days had slight regret (my first WM phone), but once I got the hang of it I fell in love with it. My girl tried it out and dropped her iPhone for Fuze aswell. IMHO, Fuze is on a much higher level and you just can't customize the iPhone the way you can Fuze, no matter what Apple commercials say. Oh and by the way, I realized how crappy Apple products are, but that's another story.

I said no because its not for everyone. I read a lot of people wanting something other than the iphone because of the data plan, this is not an iphone. Then they go and complaint that they cant do this, that its slow, that this, that that. I confess, I am/was one of those whining byotches. I know its not an iphone, I'm just afraid to customizing with roms and then f-it up and be stuck with a nice $300 paper weight. So maybe after my month is up, I'll have the balls to customize it.

Do you have to buy a data plan with the Fuze like you have to with the iPhone, for AT&T?

Only if you want the rebate.

If you want the best browser/entertainment device thats easy to use get an iphone. If you need a business phone outside of entertainment, get the fuze. Both are aimed at different type of consumer.

I know this is exactly what everyone hates to hear, and they just want a plain yes or no, but it really does depend on the person.
If your the kind of person thats really into the stuff they buy, and wants a device that has tons of opportunities and possibilities, then you will probably like the fuze. The beautiful thing about winmo devices is how much you can mess around with them. You can download tons of apps, customize, flash new ROMs, experiment, all kinds of stuff.
If you want something that is ALWAYS going to be friendly and never ever give you any quirks or problems and you just want something that is very cut and dry, the fuze may not be for you.
I would line up your priorities and see what is most important to you and more importantly, what would make you want to throw your phone out the window, cause those are the things that are ultimately going to make you happy when your using your device.

Fuze thoughts:
I have had this phone for 3 days now. My prior phone was an 8125. I unlocked and customized that phone after 30 days. I will most likely do the same thing with this one. Gotta read read read.
Initial review: Absolutely the awesomest phone I have had to date, only the 3rd PDA, though.
I miss the programmable buttons. I haven't figured everything out, but I am getting the hang of it. It has advanced customization, though I haven't even touched the surface. The keyboard is a little different from my 8125, and as I have used it extensively for 2 years, I am accustomed to the numbers being along the top row. I think the 'Full 5 Row QWERTY keyboard on the phone should more closely resemble a normal keyboard, however, I am certain I will get used to it with a little practice.
I have one problem that AT&T doesn't know how to fix: the error message "Smart Chip Not Provisioned MM #2" comes up and shuts off phone signal. I initially thought it was the smart chip. I placed it in my 8125, and no problems. Then I exchanged the phone. Still no fix. It isn't a hard error I can readily duplicate, it just happens intermittently, but only in a specific location, so now I suspect the towers serving the area in which it happens. I suppose it could be the sim card in conjunction with the 3G network which the 8125 doesn't support, but further troubleshooting will eventually solve this one.
Addtionally I was hoping that AT&T wouldn't cripple the forward facing camera, but it isn't there, and I'm not willing to pay $550 more for a Touch Pro off Ebay just for that. As there isn't a lot of network support for live video conferencing, it really isn't that much of a problem for me anyway.
Reception seems to be about the same as my 8125, but again, further testing will support or disprove my initial experience. I am currently having trouble with the GPS function, but it is probably just a configuration/setup issue that I have not played with enough. The phone will tether without the laptop connect package, but you have to make a small edit in the registry. This is a relatively painless process.
This is not meant to criticize the Fuze. These are the only real problems (and minor to me) that I have encountered, and would give this phone a HIGH recommendation.
MrRuss

AT&T not getting diamond, what about LG Insight?

I currently have an 8525 and am due to upgrade in a couple months. I admit I am very dissapointed that att isn't picking up the diamond. I like it. Moreover, I like how the site is full of cleaned up roms!! I never really liked my phone until I flashed my first rom and it sped up incredibly.
So, my question is this. I was looking at the LG insight and I kinda liked it. Does anyone know if there is a site for that phone that has roms?

I got over them not getting the diamond. I held hope for the Omnia. Now im just pissed. I think the Incite was a bad choice and I can only conclude they must have gotten it cheap compared to the omnia or diamond. I heard the GPS may not be working well too, I would have to confirm that.
The diamond or omnia are just so much better yet ATT goes with the incite? sigh.
I would google some reviews before you make a decesion.
I ended up with a treo pro in the end anyway. Its a compromise, keyboard but small screen.

AT&T got the raphael, bold, and the iphone. i'd say that's about as good a lineup you could ask for. just ask my fellow friends at tmobile and we'll say you're a bunch lucky ducks

Insights on the Incite
papageoff said:
. . . So, my question is this. I was looking at the LG insight and I kinda liked it. Does anyone know if there is a site for that phone that has roms?
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kapster said:
. . . I think the Incite was a bad choice and I can only conclude they must have gotten it cheap compared to the omnia or diamond. I heard the GPS may not be working well too, I would have to confirm that. . .
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I have an Incite. My observations:
1) screen is beautiful for a device that's not VGA - much sharper than the Tilt, and the Incite Today Screen plugin looks quite nice.
2) The jogwheel on the side is a nice feature.
3) I don't like the vibrate-touch feature, but it can be turned off.
4) Pandora is awesome, but AT&T wants to stick you for $8.95/mo on the Incite, where it is free on iPhone. Unfortunately, the Pandora.exe file won't display properly on either a Tilt or a Fuze, which brings up:
5) Many programs of standard dimensions (240x320), especially games, won't display properly. For instance, Battery Status options can't all be accessed.
6) GPS will not communicate with the iGuidance GPS software I use, although GPSTest works.
7) Using the landscape keyboard is nearly impossible because it takes up so much of the screen that only one line of type is visible. The Portrait SureType-style keyboard is fine.
8) The dialer is very good looking and easy to use.
All in all, a pretty good first WinMo offering from LG, IMHO, but not cutting-edge.

You could get an Unlocked Diamond and put your at&t sim card in it...

or just get the touch pro the thickness really isnt an issue
i came from an 8525 so much better and smaller

Reccomend a Phone thread

Hi folks, you know the drill, my current phone (an HTC Mogul) is getting past it's usefulness and once more I find myself on a hunt to find a phone that has the most of what I do want and the least of what I don't, in other words the best compremise between the device of my dreams and what's actually avaliable.
Further to this I am limited in funds so not only can I not go out and purchase a brand new top of the line model, the device I do end up getting will hopefully last me for a long time (or at least longer then the 1yr I got out of my Mogul).
Perhaps I should start by looking at why my current phone just doesn't do it for me anymore?
1) No wireless - Ever since I flashed it to 6.5 I have had no wifi.
2) No 3.5mm plug - The HTC proprieity adapter hardly works half the time either.
3) OS - 6.5 WiMo flashed is pretty unstable, I regularly have to reset the device because it locks up or just won't work.
4) QVGA - probably the best I can afford, but I do a lot of reading on this and a higher res would be better for my eyes.
5) CDMA - I really need a quadband simcard capable phone.
So what do I want?
1) Wifi, bluetooth, GPS
2) 2mp camera or better
3) 6.5 Wimo native, preferably with duel boot capibility
4) 3.5 or 2.5mm audio output, or HTCusb that actually works!
5) Keyboard if possible (I really like the qwerty thumboard on my Mogul)
6) WVGA or VGA would be nice, but it might be out of my price point.
7) GSM QUADBAND!
Any reccomendations of models would be nice, thankyou

Go for Rhodium!
Definitely the best hardware device out there
If want to spent less money you can try Rapahel or even less (if you find someone who want to sell) Universal

Thanks for the recc, I will check those two out

I agree with ORB you should go for a Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .

DannyFenton said:
I agree with ORB you should go for a
Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .
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Hmm, looking at ebay, the Rhod looks like its about $100 more then the Raph
or $300 for the Touch2 and $210 for the Raph.
At those prices it seems like it would be better just to pay the difference?
Also no one will ship to New Zealand

Yes on that case better go for Rhodium
I have seen ebay sellers who ships to almost any part of the world.
Also have a look on marketplace section, you can find very good deals
Good luck,

UPDATE: I bought myself a HTC Rhodium, very happy with it.
Now, I want to buy my GF a new phone for her birthday. Currenty she is using my ****ty old Blue Angel with WiMo 6.1
She uses the phone everyday (carries it around in her bag), but the only thing she does on it is read. She sometimes sends text messages, but usually not. She hasn't really used any of its other features or installed her own programs or anything (she is a programmer, so she does have the skills to do so).
At the moment I'm tossing up between a HTC Diamond, Diamond 2, Touch HD and another Rhodium. I'm leaning more toward the Diamond1 though. We generally try to avoid spending lots and she's more then happy with the PDA2k so even the diamond is a big upgrade and isn't too expensive.
I use my Rhodium to read alot of comics, but at 480x640 the screen should be highres enough to be an improvement. The other reason I'm leaning toward the Diamond is because of it's small size, and easier for her to carry around.
So, my question: Is there anything wrong with the Diamond that I should consider, and are there any other devices with VGA or better resolution in a similar price range that I should take a look?
Also what is the difference between the Touch Pro and the Diamond (besides the keyboard)?

If you need keyboard go for Raphael, if you don´t need it go for Diamond 2, I buyed one in marketplace for 180US a few months ago.
Or take another Rhodium

Why the recommendations for Rapheal? I am ready to put mine through a wall. The keyboard has gone flaky in the last three months...(delete requires holding down, not just press, P has started to not work, space now triple spaces)
In addition the screen started to separate over the 'x' button about two months back, now I hve that leaky black spot you get when screens break. The control pad at bottom has started to have the plastic cover start to come up.
In the last month the phone has decided to start dropping calls and even losing towers completely. (I have not changed anything on phone in over 6 months) I have rebooted the phone at least 10 times in last three weeks because of screen starting lock up, non-responsive push buttons, and complete lost of tower without attempting to reaquire.
This phone is going tits-up recently and I have had it locked to Edge forever because it will not hold a 3G signal in a very large city.
Not a recommend from me.

Thanks for the reccomendatiom - and the non recccomendation ^_^;

(silly extra text because my message was too short)

Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.

I have a moderately worn Tmo Touch Pro 2 I'm selling off on ebay later today. Only doing a 3 day auction starting at $0.99. If interested I'll post a link. Pics are great of the scratches so you can probably grab it for $125-$150.

a link sounds good

Willuknight said:
Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.
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Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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Willuknight said:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200489715435&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

ScandaLeX said:
Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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What where the main issues you had with it?
I've just upgraded from my mogul to the touch2, and the main issue I had with the mogul was the low res and slow processor compared to the touch 2, but overall it was a good phone.

NEED ANDROID PHONE WITH Qwerty keyboard
I'm looking for a new phone to replace my aging G1 but I dont want to give up the real keyboard. The mytouch slide is nice but it's hardware isn't on par with nexus one or htc incredible. The new Samsung Galaxy S Pro with sprint seems promising but not so sure about community support. I love how with my G1 I have so many options, so many great ROMs from Cyanogen and others on XDA. I'm worried that If I go with a samsung I will have better hardware but very few choices when it comes to moded roms. Is there an alternative phone out there with hardware on par with the latest HTC phones that have a slide out keyboard. Any one care to offer thier opinions??

whats your budget?
android or wimo?