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TouchFLO Questions

Good afternoon gang,
I have a few questions about TouchFLO.
I have a HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125). I have only flashed it once for the latest Cingular update. It is an unlocked device. I use it on the Rogers GSM network here in Canada.
Anyhow. I am curious about trying out the TouchFLO but I am not too sure if I want to flash my device just yet.
Is it possible to install any of the TouchFLO capabilities into the ARM Device Emulator?
I develop Windows Mobile applications as a day job but I've never had to deal with ROMs as we setup our apps to run on default factory devices.
We use Device Emulator heavily in our development however I have not seen a way to emulate flashing one.
The emulator boots .bin files.
Also addition questions.
Does the HTC Wizard require WM6 to run TouchFLO? I am pretty happy with my device right now and I see lots of forum posts about many SMS and call/radio issues with WM6 ROMS etc so all of these issues doesn't make it look like its a simple flash & works great kind of situation.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated
Thanks and take care.

Hey. I use and unlocked cingular 8125 with rogers. My phone is a G4 CID locked device. I have the latest rom by ovtaivoi which is a WM6 professional with touchflo software in it. i use the faria 2.69 radio rom and i have had no problems with sms or calls so far. i really love the touchflo software and its pretty sweet. as for your questions, I am not sure what you are talking about the emulator program, honestly. is it something you use on the computer to emulate and see how wm6 would look like? all the upgrade packages come with a .nbf file which is the main data file. if you are able to unpack it and repack it to a .bin file, you may be able to do what you want, but dont quote me on this as i'm still not sure as to what exactly you wanted to do. As far as if touch flow will work only on WM6, I cant say much about that either as i have only used it WM6. WM6 has a better graphics base when compared to WM5 and so i think touch flow would work better with WM6 but I don't think its limited to it.
What I would suggest is to flash the phone with the latest rom. Trust me, its worth it. All the work and skill that the developers have put into these roms really show itself in these roms. Make sure you read enough in this forum before you flash though. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Good luck.

Thanks for the reply!
I learned a lot about my device going through that procedure. It was SIM unlocked but not CID unlocked.
I went through everything and now have WM6 installed using the latest NBD ROM however I am finding the TouchFLO driver buggy. I cannot use my finger to press the "x" icon any more. Sometimes I press it and the start menu appears. Something is up with this touch driver in that release I think.
Also TouchFLO scrolling gestures don't work very reliable and it scrolls way too much.
Is this the case with all TouchFLO ROMs or is each ROM modifying touch capabilities and perhaps one ROM works better than the next?
Also is there a version of the HTC Home with that digital clock with a font about half the size so I can have a few more today screen plugins visible? I like it however its a bit too large.
Thanks and take care.

hi pls let me know the link to download it.
mail me at [email protected]

Kaiser graphics accel, possible solution (got manila running on kaiser)

I've been playing about for a couple of days now with this graphics acceleration problem.
Yesterday i was trying out different DLL's and editing the registry, and i had put "libGLES_cm.dll" and "libGLES_cm.lib" into my windows folder. Today i was trying to install manila as many people have not been able to get it to work, it installed fine and then I clicked the "tap to start HTC home" on the homescreen and it asked me to allow "libGLES_cm.dll" and it is running.
However, it's a bit disproportioned and very very slow (0.75FPS).
I think it may be needing some more missing DLL's and the registry might need tweaking.
Also without libGLES_cm.dll (as the device is shipped) Manila fails to initialise. so HTC must have some sort of OGL drivers that they are using, but not supplying for Kaiser.
I used Vincent 3D libGLES: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ogl-es/ogles-bin-1.0.0.zip?modtime=1144798031&big_mirror=0
and Heres a link for Manila: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G5X13UZF
I'll try get a screenshot up in a minute but my kaiser's being a little slow now.
I'll try work on this more see what i get.
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks

Sorry, accidentally posted in the wrong section
Reposted in correct section, can a mod or admin delete this one please?

If you read the other Manilla thread you would know that Manilla is VGA. All of the icons need to be resized for QVGA. GLES is not enabled on the Kaiser so you can call for the dll all you want, but you still won't get any accleration or 3d out of it.
All of these possibilities have been investigated for acceleration &/or 3D.
As for Manilla, there is an effort & some progress being made in the other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500
I suggest that is probably the place to post your willingness to help/investigate in the effort to get it converted to QVGA & to spped it up.
As for acceleration & 3G I would look at some of the info Chainfire has posted as he has invested at least 100 hours into the effort.

I understand that but my point was that the libGLES_cm.dll is currently working on my device so there must be someway of getting acceleration, i was just posting so that others could look at this and possibly find a way to get gFx acceleration, screenshot on the thread i posted in the correct section http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364459

dariushuntly said:
I understand that but my point was that the libGLES_cm.dll is currently working on my device so there must be someway of getting acceleration, i was just posting so that others could look at this and possibly find a way to get gFx acceleration, screenshot on the thread i posted in the correct section http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364459
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Isn't that just a software driver.
I can emulate DX10 feature in software, still doesn't give me any hardware acceleration... since it's software you know.

Yes it is software, it's the library containing the what is needed for OpenGLES to run, i could be wrong but seeing as it's needed by manila, it shows that HTC is planning to impliment a driver in the future.
Also i think it shows a possible sign for getting acceleration onto the kaiser
Just a thought, any chance someone has a LG KS20 dump?
Rom and registry?
i downloaded the dump off the FTP but it seemsto be corrupt as file sizes don't match up.
Thanks

LG has the same problem. Chainfire also pulled out the KS20 drivers & tried porting/rewritting to Kaiser with no luck.
As for th ogles, I think that manilla is looking for it & finding it yes. But obviously there is still no acceleration as evidenced by the FPS rate. The portion of the chip that would optimize/use the dll's is either not there or is deactivated. I tried calling for ogles in other proggies with some luck as to function, but performance has never changed or has always worsened. So yes, it's the library, but it has no effect on the hardware needed to support the ogles.
I really don't think you can look at this app as any proof that HTC plans to use any acceleration on the Kaiser because this was clearly not written for the Kaiser. It's VGA after all.
Believe me, there are few more than me that would like to see this pulled off, especially by a forum member, since HTC says it's way to hard of a process for them to pull off any time soon. But after many long months off following & conversing w/ chainfire, it's still nothing more than a dream & chainfire is the guy that has brought us some of the most amazing features for our WM6 devices not to mention the dynamic duo cmonex & olipro.
I hope you prove me wrong in spades, I'd like nothing better than to see "dariushuntly" hoisted up on our shoulders as the acceleration saviour.

manila youtube vid
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7064.html

dariushuntly said:
Yes it is software, it's the library containing the what is needed for OpenGLES to run, i could be wrong but seeing as it's needed by manila, it shows that HTC is planning to impliment a driver in the future.
Also i think it shows a possible sign for getting acceleration onto the kaiser
Just a thought, any chance someone has a LG KS20 dump?
Rom and registry?
i downloaded the dump off the FTP but it seemsto be corrupt as file sizes don't match up.
Thanks
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What makes you think this was ever meant for any MSM7X00-based devices?
I spoke with HTC PR in Sweden recently about an official upgrade to TouchFLO for the Kaiser. (Ie if the cube was destined for Kaiser devices) and the answer was no, no planned upgrades to touchflo functionality.
Ie no official cube, much less Manilla. In other words it pretty much has nothing to do with a future driver update.
Sorry if you think it's negative or that I'm rude, I just think it's better to be realistic about this issue and try to get it solved rather than to rely on a pipedream.
The only thing it really does confirm is that future HTC devices will have HW accelerated graphics and drivers.

undac said:
The only thing it really does confirm is that future HTC devices will have HW accelerated graphics and drivers.
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And VGA.

Diamond2 Rotating... like an LG Arena?

Having recently purchased an HTC Diamond2 and having tried "ChangeScreen", GSen", I've noticed my D2 isn't capable of rotating TouchFlo's 'Opening Screens' (like, "Programs" or "Contacts") and I haven't - even - been able to rotate my "Album" pictures.
As I've seen on LG Aren's (no publicity intended!) all icons rotates (beautifully, I thought) whenever the phone itself was rotated.
Is there a way to get it done in this version of TouchFlo?
Hope I haven't posted wrongly.
Thank you very much for your time and Congratulations on a great site which has earned deserved fame... worldwide!
Greetings from Portugal,
O. C.

To have TF3D rotating correct, you need another ROM.
Check out the cooked ROM's for Topaz. There are first ROM's out that support TF3D rotating and applications rotating.

BeeGee_Tokyo said:
To have TF3D rotating correct, you need another ROM.
Check out the cooked ROM's for Topaz. There are first ROM's out that support TF3D rotating and applications rotating.
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You don't need another rom, it's a simply registry tweak which has already been posted on this forum. Use the search function!

hoosbude said:
You don't need another rom, it's a simply registry tweak which has already been posted on this forum. Use the search function!
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The tweaks were not working on my TD2, that's why I proposed a new ROM. Seems depending on TF3D version the registry tweak is working or not.

BeeGee_Tokyo said:
The tweaks were not working on my TD2, that's why I proposed a new ROM. Seems depending on TF3D version the registry tweak is working or not.
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It's works, but not correctly. I suppose the ROM will work better.

Dear Friends:
First of all, thank you very much for your kind attention and help!
Thanks to you, I've started looking around "Cooked" ROMs and I even discovered a program called TF3D2 Tweak...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502102
... which I really recommend as it allows most of the functions I was looking for.
I sincerely recognise all the great effort, skill and talent which are required to create all these magnificent 'pieces' of software developers kindly share with us. And I am truly thankful for that!
I have been a fan of this site and its "geniuses" long before I was able to purchase my own HTC.
Now, that I've got it (a TD2), I will be visiting you often.
Thank you all!
Best Regards,
O.C.

TF3D ROM for Kaiser? (Collecting Bounty act. 35€)

Hey Guys,
I know that this has been discussed a hundred times .
But let me at first explain:
This goes out to all you chefs which are cooking the roms (I'm not capable to cook one by myself)
So what I would like to have is a Kaiser ROM with a working Touchflo3d.
I've read and searched for hours and hours and found the rom from L26, but I think this had been an really early state. Now the drivers have changed and improved.
So is there anyone out there who is able to cook a rom (no matter if 6.1 or 6.5) with working TF3D and drivers?
I found out that there is a working version in this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507
But it was not working with my rom (M-Opal 1.0) due to cooked M2D.
So it would give hmm a bounty of 35€ (€ not dollars) if anyone would prepare a working, fast rom with TF3D.
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
Best regards,
Matthias

Maeffjus said:
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
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Not me ...........................
That being said, here is the latest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=458116

Maeffjus said:
Hey Guys,
I know that this has been discussed a hundred times .
But let me at first explain:
This goes out to all you chefs which are cooking the roms (I'm not capable to cook one by myself)
So what I would like to have is a Kaiser ROM with a working Touchflo3d.
I've read and searched for hours and hours and found the rom from L26, but I think this had been an really early state. Now the drivers have changed and improved.
So is there anyone out there who is able to cook a rom (no matter if 6.1 or 6.5) with working TF3D and drivers?
I found out that there is a working version in this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507
But it was not working with my rom (M-Opal 1.0) due to cooked M2D.
So it would give hmm a bounty of 35€ (€ not dollars) if anyone would prepare a working, fast rom with TF3D.
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
Best regards,
Matthias
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there are already tf3d roms and if your looking for one that will work flawlessly on our kaisers, not gonna happen.

Leo (L26) made a decent rom L26_KaiserTouch_V4_M3D that actually encompasses TF3d. I have not tried the others but I do love his rom even though it is not as smooth.

I wonder how it will work with 6.5 drivers. I'm going to take a shot at cooking it into josh's rom for you. We'll see how this goes.

Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
Because I've seen a lot of videos on Youtube where it is running smooth and it also seems nearly bugless.
Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf_gjMFBHs
or these one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDduRgWFweM&feature=related
What I want to fullfil my bounty should be:
1. Running TF3D
2. OpenGl-Drivers integrated in ROM (I think it is necessary to use TF3D)
3. The Standby bugfix should be integrated, which is located under the link in my first post.
4. Look and Feel like on the Videos (not any kind of "Tiger" or strange "Tribal" as system theme)
Optional but highly welcome: German Language
Or is it possible to install some kind of language pack? (I'm using WM since hmm 6 or 7 years but I've never seen such a thing)
I've tried the L26 ROM and it was not satifying to me because the speed was really low compared to the TF3D's on the youtube videos and it seemed very buggy.
If I'm not completely wrong, the version of TF3D from my first post is in an advanced state compared with the on from L26.
Thanks in Advance!
Would be nice to find some people who will help to increase the bounty!

Maeffjus said:
Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
Because I've seen a lot of videos on Youtube where it is running smooth and it also seems nearly bugless.
Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf_gjMFBHs
or these one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDduRgWFweM&feature=related
What I want to fullfil my bounty should be:
1. Running TF3D
2. OpenGl-Drivers integrated in ROM (I think it is necessary to use TF3D)
3. The Standby bugfix should be integrated, which is located under the link in my first post.
4. Look and Feel like on the Videos (not any kind of "Tiger" or strange "Tribal" as system theme)
Optional but highly welcome: German Language
Or is it possible to install some kind of language pack? (I'm using WM since hmm 6 or 7 years but I've never seen such a thing)
I've tried the L26 ROM and it was not satifying to me because the speed was really low compared to the TF3D's on the youtube videos and it seemed very buggy.
If I'm not completely wrong, the version of TF3D from my first post is in an advanced state compared with the on from L26.
Thanks in Advance!
Would be nice to find some people who will help to increase the bounty!
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Yes it can run smoothely'ish the problem encountered is lack of driver to be able to sleep device in the correct manor.

But there is a patch to solve that kind of problem or am I wrong?
Q: Whenever I try and put the device into sleep mode, it powers off instead?
A: Try disabling the today time-out. Also, make sure you installed the standby CAB right.
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Taken from the Linked TF3D thread...

Maeffjus said:
But there is a patch to solve that kind of problem or am I wrong?
Taken from the Linked TF3D thread...
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No there are work arounds but no real fix

Im still TF3D fan, but after many bug and slow on my Kaiser, i have to move on.. if somebody create or develop ROM with it, i will give a try..

With that standby fix Touchflo3d is disabled automatically before sleep mode. Biggest problem for me was that when the device wakes up it needs to launch touchflo again and that process was kinda slow. Sometimes it just get stuck and needed softreset.
Still, I would be curious to see how smooth tf3d would be cooked in with newest builds and drivers...Also, if I remember right 3d drivers won't work if you have super ram hack in your rom.

Whatever ;-) ...
Also, if I remember right 3d drivers won't work if you have super ram hack in your rom.
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I don't mind if there is a super-ram-hack or what else, in my opinion it should WORK
Also I think that all of you shall take a look in your money-bag if there is a possibility to make it a little more lucrative to work on such a rom.
As I also stated out that I will pay my full bounty only if it is able to run on latetest state of development - that means not that the chef has to develop touchflo3d once again but without bugs ;-) it means only that it should be able to run as good as possible at the moment.
But as I read yesterday evening, I saw that there are maybe two possibilities to get rid of the standby bug, but - forgive me - if did not looked detailed at these solutions - so I don't know how these work but maybe one of them is working better?
And when I'm right - all the roms with TF3D cooked in are with an earlier driver-version. The younger versions of the driver have improved, if I understood the development news made in the dev. and hack. section.
The TF3D-cooked-in-rom-threads are nearly all dated arround december '08 - and I read a lot of them

Maeffjus said:
Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
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I am not saying that if you posted a working TF3d rom that no one would flash it, I would. But what is the effort /reward ?
What about it would make it better than my M2D rom ? Or anyone's 6.5 rom.
Enough great chefs put more than enough time into it, and could not get adequate drivers to make it smooth enough to keep as an everyday rom nor could they get by the stand by problem.
TF3D is M2D with some nice 3D touches that is all, am I missing something ? Is it head and shoulders above M2D or Neo Titanium, I don't think so. Which is why no one really cares to put in all the effort to make it work , nor is anyone really willing to spend any funds to make it work.
I am not being a contrarian or a nay sayer just for arguement sake, really With M$ coming out with cHome and Titanium, SPB out with MS 3, HTC coming out with Sense, there is a reason why people took porting TF3D as far as they could and then lost interest.

O.K. 0,5 Points for you
But I think that Sense is only for Andoid? Correct me if I'm doing wrong...
My problem is, that my Kaiser (and i think all others too) have not such a good touch screen accuracy... mine is terrible.
(yes, I cleaned out the frame and the edges...but on my bosses Kaiser the screen accuracy is also bad! - Compared to my - slow but accurate - P4350).
In my opinion the touchflo concept is one of the best solutions ever developed. But for me in person TF3D would be a nice looking (and little improved) upgrade. I'm already using M2D and I like it, but what I also like very much is for example the animated weather and the improved look and feel.
I have also tried 6.5 but with the terrible accuracy of my screen it is not so funny to use.. also it is not running such smooth as M2D and I in person think titanium is not everyones favourite choice. What i also do not like is the Honeycomb-Style... looks nice, but thats all.. O.k. the kinetic scrolling is good and thats one thing I like . But thats the only improvement I could see at WM6.5.
So whats your opinion: Is a rom with newest drivers and so on not for everydays use capable due to a lot of buggy functions? (I dont't know - I never used one ).

If I remember right, all the legendary cooks have tired TF3D and it doesnt work as it is supposed in Kaiser. Kaiser is just not made for TF3D. TF3D is more resource hungry, and our device just cant handle it.
I do believe there is a cab for TF3D available! Take a good lite 6.5 ROM with memory hack, and load it with TF3D, you will see if it will be able to handle it or not.

I had it working kinda decent with 6.5...just kept throwing drivers at it until i found a decent setup. But i was just wanting to see how it would be like you. When i get home i will look if i still have the file and send it to you. I cant even remember what all i had with it though lol. But like everyone has said its still slow with the newest drivers and such.

I cant find the file....but i will work on it this weekend.

Here is one that I had downloaded when the TF3D thread was alive. This does not have standby in it. So if you want to turn off your phone, then you need to find a stanby fix by somebody!

Hmm in my first post is another source for the TF3D, which has bigger files - there you'll find also the Audio Manager etc.

Has this thread died ?

Cube Browsing

Hi Guys,
Just a quick question i hope.
Can i install a program which makes my HTC Wizard's menues behave like a cube where you can scroll it around from face to face to reveal different menu options ETC?
I've seen this feature on several mobile phones and i was wondering if i could get it on my Mob.
Tom

Sure it can !
But, you should ask some more experienced users and they can post for you download link of best rom with cube in it.
Cheers !

can anyone help with this i currently have CR96 latest rom, it has the honeycomb start menu but just has a scroll today screen' i just want a cube style browsing interface' can i change settings or do i need a different rom? any help would be appreciated.

If you are looking for the cube interface that was on the HTC Touch (I think it was first seen there)...there are a couple versions people have made here on XDA. These are the ones I remember trying back in the days:
HTC Cube Clone SCLPF (Flash-based)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
HTC Cube OpenGL SCLPC+ (C++ coded)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358102
As far as I remember they both worked decent on my Wizard. There is also another version by Byka, but don't think I've ever tried that one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328010

Ahh, thats helps a lot, in everyone's opinion then is it worth going back to one of these or should i stick with the CR96?
I'm getting used to it now, i've tried a couple of others the TNT touchflo and X2H's newest ROM but i've found the CR96 much better!
Any views would be appreciated.

Those links are to a piece of software, NOT to a ROM.
You can install and run those with whatever ROM you have running now. I believe cube clones were built over a year ago so not sure how they'll work with the newer ROMs. But worth a try if you want that cube effect.

Even clearer, thanks!
getting on quite well with the CR96 Rom.