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Maybe you should just cook your own rom

mlcohen said:
Maybe you should just cook your own rom
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My friend, you miss the whole concept of this thread. If I cooked my own ROM that would only help ME. If I released it to the public there would be many people who wanted to change this or change that. When an update came out I couldn't remove my old version, but would need to recook the whole ROM again with the updates. Granted, for those people who prefer to use a cooked ROM because it "saves them time" when reflashing, then by all means please continue to use a fully cooked ROM. However, I don't see the need to reflash my ROM every two weeks. I would much prefer to have the ability to simply add/remove a program to update it then cook a ROM.
In addition, this thread should prove useful to aspiring cooks becuase I hope to compile the information that would be necessary to take a lite/stock ROM and add to it the bits and pieces that each individual cook might find useful to suit his/her tastes.
So please, if you don't like the concept go lurk elsewhere. This thread is meant for people who support this idea, not nay sayers. If no one supports this idea, then i may have an empty thread, but I am not about to have a debate as to the merits of my idea.

so just install what you want on your lite rom. Everything is out there including Office and the camera stuff. If you really wanted to get crazy you could put it all in your UC

mlcohen said:
so just install what you want on your lite rom. Everything is out there including Office and the camera stuff. If you really wanted to get crazy you could put it all in your UC
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I realize it is all "out there" The purpose of this thread is to help compile it in one place and assist those who prefer to do it this way instead of using a cooked ROM. There are hundreds of threads devoted to "which is the best cooked ROM" and dozens upon dozens of them devoted to "how do I get APP A to work on this cooked rom, or APP B on other cooked ROM."
I believe the people who don't want to use these cooked ROMs should have a place to gather all their info, and hope this to be the place.
And with that being said, I don't plan to respond to any additional critiques of the concept. If you don't want to be a part of the solution then have fun elsewhere.
thanks.

bengalih said:
I realize it is all "out there" ......
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omg you have no idea......i just went through hell finding cab files and getting them to work on the weekend. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!
i found a cool way of getting some cab files though.......older devices with less storage or with extended roms like the blue angel, the cooks usually provide cab files with their roms.
The worst part was getting the HTC apps to work, esp the multimedia apps.......a lot of the cab files, they just provide the executable and few stuff and the graphic files, but not the codecs that it needs to work. what i did was dump the at&t 6.1 rom and grabbed a bunch of codecs, somewhat works now, i'm missing some reg entries........i'm somewhat waaaaay over my head, but its fun learning this **** as i go along.
oh and i hate the fact that all these htc apps dump their graphic files in the windows directory, takes me forever to open that directory. i did find one or two versions of apps that didnt need them in the windows directory.

I like where this is going and want to see more. I am one of those people.
I like the dutty series. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383638
Was one of my favorites but too much in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
The lite of this is the one I am using now.
For example. In the first link I do not want the HTC home, FM Radio etc. But this rom is FAST.
I really like the Hybrid I am using but I have the lite and really liked the MS Voice in from the full versions. I would like to take the games out add ms office and a few progies I use.
I nomintate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
I use the 1.64.08.21 radio version.

Two registry edits for touchscreen adjustments I find useful:
-Adjusting touch screen sensitivity (from GWENI)
-Adjusting the backlight level when device is locked
For both of these you will need a program to edit your device's registry, such as Mobile Reg Editor or PHM Reg Editor.
Adjusting Touch Screen Sensitivity
-open reg editor
-browse to to HKey_Local_Machine\Drivers\TouchPanel
-change key "PressureThreshold" to "5000".
5000 is recommended, but you can play with the value until you find one you prefer.
Adjust Backlight level while device is locked
-open reg editor
-browse to HKey_Current_User\ControlPanel\Backlight\LockLevel
-change key "LockLevel" from "0" to any number between 1-10.
For this one I have mine set at 5. 10 is the brightest. Adjust to your personal preference.

finch said:
I like where this is going and want to see more. I am one of those people....
I nomintate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947
I use the 1.64.08.21 radio version.
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Thanks for the vote of encouragement.
I would assume that you meant the lite ROM from Dutty's latest? I am a fan of the Dutty ROMs and have not yet tried out the latest "lite" version. I couldn't find out on the main page what exactly was IN the "lite" version. Can you post that info here, or a direct link?
So we have our first contender (awaiting more info) as Dutty's latest "lite" build.
Remember to all posters the idea here is to start with a good basic ROM that will allow us to customize ourselves (without being locked down to cooked in apps). Using something like Dutty's could be a good idea as his lite version should have many of his good tweaks built in. I would just like to get some more specific info as to what is in his lite ROM, as well as a few more nominations before we get the ball rolling.
Chances are what we come up with in this thread can be used with many of the ROMs out there, so we don't all have to agree on one. In fact, if we can nominate the top two or three lite/stock ROMs out there for people to experiment with that would be great.
Also, please remember to always check back on the first page for any updates.

marm0lade said:
Two registry edits for touchscreen adjustments I find useful:
-Adjusting touch screen sensitivity (from GWENI)
-Adjusting the backlight level when device is locked
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Great, fantastic marmOlade, this is exactly the type of things I want to see in terms of good tweaks that pretty much anyone would want to have.
I know most of these are out there posted (like in the excellent GWENI thread) and most like we will have a lot of cross-linkage going on there.
I hope to get a nice database of these tweaks and maybe either work with one of the developers to either make an updated kaiser-tweak program with many more entires, or possibly I can work on developing a PC-based app that would generate a registry file based on chosen options which can then be uploaded to the device. This way you can check-box off the tweaks you like and quickly update the device... that is down the road of course..but thanks for the initial contribution!

bengalih said:
Great, fantastic marmOlade, this is exactly the type of things I want to see in terms of good tweaks that pretty much anyone would want to have.
I know most of these are out there posted (like in the excellent GWENI thread) and most like we will have a lot of cross-linkage going on there.
I hope to get a nice database of these tweaks and maybe either work with one of the developers to either make an updated kaiser-tweak program with many more entires, or possibly I can work on developing a PC-based app that would generate a registry file based on chosen options which can then be uploaded to the device. This way you can check-box off the tweaks you like and quickly update the device... that is down the road of course..but thanks for the initial contribution!
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I believe all your kaiser tweaks can be found in kaisertweak and schap's advanced configuration. If you want to edit htc home, then home customizer works wonders. Not sure why you need a thread like this when you have all these tools.

thomassster said:
I believe all your kaiser tweaks can be found in kaisertweak and schap's advanced configuration. If you want to edit htc home, then home customizer works wonders. Not sure why you need a thread like this when you have all these tools.
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Thanks for that input thomassster. Yes I realize that many of these tweaks are included in some of the tweak programs out there (probably 80%?). Part of this here is to bring attention to them. Many of the tweaks are either already built into the cooked ROMs, or people don't necessarily know what they do just from their title. If we can compile here some better descriptions to help better understand what each tweak does, then for people who wish to customize their own devices from the ground up have a good compendium to look through.
Also, registry tweaks isn't all this thread is about. It is about how to add various applications that may have tricky ways of doing things into a compendium where people can find it easily.
For instance, it isn't always easy to get MS Voice command fully working, or Skype, or some GPS softwares. Currently if you want to use some of these programs you have two options:
1) Use a ROM that has these cooked in already.
2) Look through the forum until you find the solution.
Option #2 of course can be very time consuming as information is outdated and dispersed throughout the forums (some of it isn't even in the Kaiser forums). What I am hoping to do is bring this all together to assist all with some of the trickier apps (MSVC, cubes, etc...).
If you feel this is unnecessary, then please feel free not to visit, but I hope you will continue to provide beneficial input. I'll be sure to post your suggestions on the front (if you have more info to give, links and such are appreciated so I don't need to search myself!).
thanks.

I like the idea as all tweaks and tips are spread over thousands of threads.
I worked on collecting my owns long time ago and I think putting them in a new thread is not a big deal unless bengalih do the documentation of all posted tweaks and post them in one document and/or CAB in first post.
Or simply add them to wiki

msharaf said:
I like the idea as all tweaks and tips are spread over thousands of threads....
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Thanks for the vote of support. I am as much interested in getting some good descriptions, and many categorizing the tweaks. As many have pointed out most of the tweaks are out there and already included in some of the tweak programs. I would like to add to that by giving attention to exactly what the tweaks do, how they help us, and which ones are highly recommended.
For instance, you might use Dutty's ROM and like all the tweaks in there, while not even realizing what he has done. If you moved to a "lite" ROM you might miss those things, but not really know which tweak it is you need to perform... I hope to gather a good list of that type of info here.

Great!
I totally agree with what you say in your first post. Currently using latest Duttys ROM, but still feel i need something more custom made (by me) in other words i'd like to have a bigger input in what I use.
watching the thread....

Most cooked ROMs are bugged
What about starting with an official shipped ROM?, remove just stupid things like welcome center, customer feedback... everything else is needed.
Most cooked ROMS I've tried have things broken, I mean things that work on official stock ROM and not here.
Like Windows live, 3G call, QuickGPS, HTC album.. I usally do not spend more than a few hours with a cooked ROM before I find too many bugs and too many things that should be working and are not.
I can flash the ROM that came with my TyTN II and add a few cabs, and all work. Camera works, 3G video call works, GPS works, Tomtom works, Skype works... It's WM6.0, but things WORK. No missing icons, no missing buttons, no stupid buttons for hardware that it's not on the phone...
And, expecting those "go cook your own ROM" flames... this is looking a lot like the linux fanboys, I'm not a programmer or OS developer, I see someone announcing an OS and test it, and give my findings. No good if basic things do not work correctly and you have to search for registry tweaks to make something that you had before appear again, or work as in a stock ROM.

vcespon said:
What about starting with an official shipped ROM?, remove just stupid things like welcome center, customer feedback... everything else is needed.
Most cooked ROMS I've tried have things broken, I mean things that work on official stock ROM and not here.
Like Windows live, 3G call, QuickGPS, HTC album.. I usally do not spend more than a few hours with a cooked ROM before I find too many bugs and too many things that should be working and are not.
I can flash the ROM that came with my TyTN II and add a few cabs, and all work. Camera works, 3G video call works, GPS works, Tomtom works, Skype works... It's WM6.0, but things WORK. No missing icons, no missing buttons, no stupid buttons for hardware that it's not on the phone...
And, expecting those "go cook your own ROM" flames... this is looking a lot like the linux fanboys, I'm not a programmer or OS developer, I see someone announcing an OS and test it, and give my findings. No good if basic things do not work correctly and you have to search for registry tweaks to make something that you had before appear again, or work as in a stock ROM.
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I am using a cooked rom and dont have any bugs. Looks like u have tried the wrong roms. And dont forget that shiped roms dont have some customizations(which improve the performance) that the cooked roms have.

Original vs Cooked ROMs

A few days ago I posted something on L26 V5 Diamond thread. It was either a very broad subject or a very naive one that nobody cared to write something in reply. Maybe I shouldn't have posted there.
Now I bring the subject here in a separate thread hoping that we would all share our views and experiences with regard to Original/Official WM6.1 ROMs vs the cooked ones. I already apologize if the subject doesn't deserve a thread and leave it to mods to decide whether the thread should remain or be closed.
Here's what I'd posted there:
So far as bugs are concerned, who's the culprit : build 19588.1.1.4 ? or L26_K_D_V5 ??
It seems an error is repeating so often & so regularly that it's becoming a systematic error. What am I talking about?
Well, we usually get so much focused on L26_XXX ROM or Dutty's_XXX ROM ...etc. that we totoally forget about the "Original/Official" ROMs these cooked ones are based on.
Somewhere in the devine XDA text , God once said :
Flash an "original/official" ROM / HR / flash the XXX cooked ROM / HR
The above is now a universally accepted verdict among us frequent ROM flashers. But how many of us do stay upon the "Original/Official" ROM - whether HTC or AT&T ...etc - for 10 minutes (or 10 seconds for that matter !!) ??
We flash the "Original/Official" ROM (whatever version it is - though , we generally tend to flash the Latest Original/Official one) only for the sake of the above said verdict and certainly not to see how that original ROM works on our devices. Understandably, this happens because we're in a hurry to flash the beautiful cooked ones.
What is my point?
How many of the rulings we pass (and the bugs we report) on L26_K_D_V5 have been tested (over a period of a week or so) upon the "Original/Offical" ROM the V5 is based upon (i.e. CE 5.2.19212 Build 19588.1.1.4) ?
Perhaps it's time that someone with an authoritative knowledge of ROMs takes the list of reported bugs/issues of V5, flashes the Build 19588.1.1.4 , rests upon it for a while , and sees if these are native issues of the "Original/Official" ROM or Leo's V5.
Does it sound too idiotic and naive? Maybe. But at least I can claim that I have not seen such thorough comparison between these two specific ROMs anywhere in the forum. Of course, the wise redbandana (God bless him) usually brings us news of (and introduces to us) new Original/Official Kaiser ROMs in separate threads. But what I mean is thorough comparison between these two specific Original/Official and Cooked ROMs.
Cheers

i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.

tubaking182 said:
i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.
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the fact is , up in the heaven , all mods/chefs/very_senior_members know all about these things. My point was to open up a window for us mortals down here to have a clearer idea about what we see in (and pass judgements on) cooked roms.
The undeniable truth is that each chef cooks his rom on a specific original version/build and a clearer knowledge of the original built in each case (and a comparison between the two) allows us mortals to have a better understanding of what the chef has actually done in his rom.
As a very minor and silly example, while in L29 V5 Diamond I am struggling to to see why the "disconnect" button in GPRS connectivity bubble is missing, it would be helpful to know whether this is the "default" option of the original built or is it Leo's - and if it is Leo's, what are the merits/faults of his choice.
You may ask why I don't do such thorough survey myself ? Well, to be honest, I would really die to have such extensive knowledge and expertise. But the fact is, some people are savvys and gurus and some are not. It takes me a lifetime to be as knowledgeable as Dutty or Leo or Alex ...etc. I just hope that in here each of us can bring just a little piece of his/her info to share with others on the subject of this comparison.

Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:
Original HTC WM 6.0:
- Great radio (1.27.12.17), GPS fix fast, good battery life
- Skype works
- Cleartype works OK on landscape
- No missing G icon or disconnect button when you click the connection icon
- Feels fast enough (a lot of RAM free)
Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may
- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot
- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix
- Skype does not work
- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape
- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes
- No missing icons / apps
Original HTC 3.02
- My favourite unless Nothrills comes up with something better
- Excelent radio (1.58.26.20), best GPS and WiFi
- Skype does not work
- Landscape mode works OK
- Camera can be easily patched or updated to 5.04
All of them come with Office and Onenote, Windows Live, and usual utilities
All of them can be tweaked with KaiserTweak or AdvancedConfig and you get a pretty much fast and estable ROM that just works.
No screen redraw problems, no blank screens, no missing buttons, no missing apps...

vcespon said:
Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:
Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may
- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot
- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix
- Skype does not work
- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape
- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes
- No missing icons / apps
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It's amazing that while reading your report on Original HTC WM6.1 , I suddenly felt as if I was reading the threads of some of the new cooked kasier roms! Everything you said (and a lot not mentioned here) are exactly the same problems reported in those threads over and over again.
So next time when one reports in , for example, Dutty's new rom thread that : "Skype is not working" , or "the cleartype in landscape bug" he should know that these are exactly the same issues in the original 6.1 and has nothign to do with Dutty's rom.

I agree with you so much. Amazingly to Cook a rom is a few files added here, a few files deleted. Put in what you want, make a few tweaks to the registry and Whaaa Laaa.
AMazingly, WM6.1 has a lot of bugs. Probably not what Microsoft expected when they developed the software. The landscape issues I try to tell everyone over and over it has nothing to do with what the Cook did, its a WM6.1 problem.
I do not use skype but I am assuming the same thing. I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.

Obviously the cooks inherit the bugs of the ROMs they use as base.
HTC finally released an official WM 6.1 ROM for the Kaiser, with "improved graphics" but at a cost.
- Bad radio. 1.65 radios are not better than 1.27 or 1.58. Ask anyone about GPS fix or battery.
- They changed a display routine so it's faster, but they screwed cleartype on landscape mode, that was working on previous HTC ROMs
- A lot less memory available, and I do not see a big speed increase in return
- The ROM feels heavier than previous one, the screen switches in one move, but the total time to do the switch is longer than previous ROMs
- Skype does not work, it was working on WM 6.0
Some of these bugs have been corrected by cooks when adding files from other builds. HyperDragon III works OK on landscape, ROMs from L26 and Dutty work with Skype... But they introduce other bugs like the missing G icon, or disconnect button.
I hope they interchange their findings so we finally have a ROM where everything works. I don't care if it gets 1432 or 1512 points on some benchmark, if HSDPA does not work, or the device soft-resets while playing MP3, then I'm not going to use that.

Reading all of this makes me wanna downgrade to 6.0. Until we have a working Android, that is...

Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.
Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.
I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.
As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.
I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.

msharaf said:
Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.
Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.
I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.
As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.
I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.
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Yeah, that's what I have suggested yesterday but met the offence only.
Well, different people, different opinions.

ryncppr said:
I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.
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ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.
Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.
This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90
Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.

Bardia Garsha said:
ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.
Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.
This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90
Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.
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A big problem is that people do not believe you need to hard reset after you flash a ROM. You do. THe process that WM has built in only clears the memory and storage files, leading to useless junk that gets left behind.
I used to think if I flashed a ROM it was completely getting rid of the last rom, which has found not to be the truth. Though a clearing system file is now shown on the screen, it is not truly getting rid of all the old files, hence the problems with putting ROM over ROM.

bad practice
I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash, and I have to admit I never flash the originals back to my phonebefore flashing. once in a great while I hit a weird glitch that I can't seem to find a solution for, and so I hard reset to fix it. I guess part of it is that i'm so impatient that I can't stand to wait a few extra minutes. I check the site anytime i'm not working and if there is a new rom available I've downloaded and flashed before looking through the bugs found. I guess i'm gonna start going to originals first and hard reset every time, now to help on that, is there a way that we know of that will automatically do the hard reset one time right after a flash? I know UC wouldn't work cause it runs after the hard reset/flash so it would loop. if we could cook the rom to auto reset once and one time only it would help out those that ocasionally "forget."
on a side note, this was typed through my phone so sorry for any spelling errors there might be and thank you ryncppr for a great rom.

tubaking182 said:
I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash
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The truth is you are a big boy and can handle the giltches/issues. Just take a look at hundreds of posts out there in which people complain and report about some of the most unthinkable issues (e.g. "my phone resets itself every 5 minutes" (Jesus Christ) !! or "when I push the call button my phone starts media player"!! perhaps soon we should expect posts that will read: "after disconnecting the bluetooth headset, our washing mashing stopped working" !
I know that for example Dutty is very serious on his belief on flashing original/HR/cooked/HR every single time one wants to flash a rom - and for god's sake this man really knows what he's talking about.
Sometimes very bizarre things happen when one ignores the above must-do process.
However, my main object here was to invite people to share their bits of info on what a specific original rom does (or might do) to our devices when it's flashed prior to a specific custom rom , and why.
and btw, your spellign is brilliant.

original HTC Tytn II ROM
Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).
Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?
Thanks for your help,
Lou

loubega said:
Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).
Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?
Thanks for your help,
Lou
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I'm afraid your post has nothing to do with this thread - just wonder why u posted this here !
anyway, you can find the original/official kaiser roms here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

HTC & AT&T do different things
Ok, in oder to see the effects of different original/official roms we flash before the custom rom, i did the following and noticed an obvious difference:
1) flashed AT&T offiical WM6.1 CE 3.14.502.1 (built 19209) and then L26 V5
- flashed the same official AT&T and then Dutty's Diamond V1
in both cases, both L26 and Dutty's roms were not functioning optimal on my device. had to deal with many issues (from BT to GPRS to connectivity ...etc. as well as general responsiveness of the device)
2) flashed HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0 and then L26 V5
- flashed the same original HTC and then Dutty's Diamond V1
in both cases , both L26 and Dutty's roms were functioning a lot better on the device. almost %90 of the previous issues were gone.
in both 1) & 2) I used radio 1.65.16.25 and observed strictly the same procedure (usb flashing, same HR, no SD card inserted, no 3rd party app installed ...etc.)
what's going on? i'm now more confident that the type/version of the original or official rom we flash prior to the custom rom affects the custom rom and its behavior on our devices hugely.
this is still widely igonored by the chefs as i've never heard them on their threads mentioning/suggesting what original/offiical rom should be flashed prior to flashing their cooked roms.

I think alot of what you are trying to accomplish here was discussed previously. I have always been a proponent of trying to use Original ROMs in order to better understand what is "original" vs what is cooked and doing all tweaks by myself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389519

Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*
Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.
I mean this thread is not only to know what work in 6.1 and what doesn't, right?
And for the current moment maybe we could have common concensus for responding to 'bizarre problems after flashing ROM xx.. bla.. bla bla' with : reflash stock rom -> hard reset -> reflash cooked rom -> hard reset -> still have problems?

Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*
Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.
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Schizo, im gonna do it in few days! I'm working on cooked first. But i have in plans to test Stock ROMs...

[REQ] Request a ROM - What do you want?

Request a ROM - What would you like in a ROM? (Idea by Mr. Ill)
Have you been using the ROM's on XDA frequently, but you think everyone could benefit from an application or setting cooked into a ROM? Well, the cooks will be reading this thread, and if a cook likes the idea, they will pick it up, and either feature it in their next ROM release, or create a new ROM with it.
Instead of flooding ROM threads with requests, lets just centralize them all here! Feel free to ask for anything. If you don't get a response, then maybe the cooks didn't like the idea. If you think it's a brilliant idea, and you still didn't get a response, you could ask for it again, because a cook might have missed it.
For a list of existing ROM's, visit The Wingster.
Now, if none of the ROM's fit your needs, please, go ahead and make some suggestions below!
Current Requests
Sambalbij - Extendir to be cooked into ROM, because it's supposed to make Windows Mobile 12x faster! (3 cooks have failed at this)
daniel costa rj - Brazilian and Portuguese ROM's! WM6.5 and WM6.1 versions, with Opera Mini, Bluetooth and WiFi working, and finger friendly!
donaspl - A Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM in the Polish language.
In-Progress Requests
DumpyDooby - Remote Tracker to be cooked into ROM's from now on. (Mr. Ill is working on it)
TonyC0642 - A superclean ROM with Manila 2D cooked in. Only programs would be the base WinMo apps, and Network Wizard. Bluetooth apps, Internet Sharing, Windows Media Player, Games, and Lockscreen can be removed. (Mr. Ill has built it, and is testing it with TonyC)
HolyLove02 - Newest build of WM6.5.1 and Latest version of Manila 2D. Also themed to Super Mario Bros. Needs Bluetooth, Internet Sharing, NetCF, MMS, MS Office, and other basics. Likes the "fatty" ROM's. Also including a hefty list of apps. Donating a lot!!! (Mr. Ill is working on it)
Ideas
Rim1Flex - Photoshop Mobile to be cooked in. It's a nice program.
CheeseDave - A quite complete ROM, with various things!

I use Remote Tracker on all of my phones. So my suggestion is to compile the Remote Tracker DLL into ROMs. This would be a neat addition to SJK, actually.
While there is an obvious security issue with everyone having the same Remote Tracker password, this is easily resolved by simply advising everyone to change their password immediately upon first boot. The chef could even keep the password private and only disclose it to people who PM them for it. The neat thing about doing this is it will prevent a thief from doing a hard reset on the phone to disable Remote Tracker.
(by the way, I'm well aware that the Herald doesn't have GPS, but there are other ways of tracking a phone down with Remote Tracker. You can have it forward the thief's SIM info, make it delete all of your contacts, lock access to the MicroSD, and accomplish many other things with the program that would be useful for anyone who had their phone stolen)

I was thinking about putting in Photoshop Mobile in my Roms. It's a nice program.
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopmobile/

I was trying to get extendir to work, but i'm not experienced so it wouldn't work. A stripped rom with extendir would be great (if extendir makes its expectations come true).
"Extendir is a file system filter driver that significantly increases the performance of your phone, in specific situations even up to 12 times as fast and faster…"

sambalbij said:
I was trying to get extendir to work, but i'm not experienced so it wouldn't work. A stripped rom with extendir would be great (if extendir makes its expectations come true).
"Extendir is a file system filter driver that significantly increases the performance of your phone, in specific situations even up to 12 times as fast and faster…"
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Yeah, I was toying around with that one too. Couldn't figure it out. I didn't spend too much time with it.

I just want a superclean rom with M2D(preferrably 2.0 or better) and that's it. The only thing I would add is Network Wizard. No google maps, no apps of any sort aside from what's there already. In fact, some things could be stripped. Like BT_SAP/BT explorer, internet sharing, WMP(Audio Mgr is better imo), games, Lock(I use s2u2). This may be my first rom, if I can ever figure out how to add packages from other roms to SJK.

i got you covered on that one Tonyc i made it last night. M2D 2.0 with audiomanager and bluetooth. 67 storage and 21 ram. the ram is lower than i want but ya lol

illconcepts said:
i got you covered on that one Tonyc i made it last night. M2D 2.0 with audiomanager and bluetooth. 67 storage and 21 ram. the ram is lower than i want but ya lol
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Oh yeah lol I forgot, been a wierd week so far. Hit me up on IM if you need any more tests before you release it.

sambalbij said:
I was trying to get extendir to work, but i'm not experienced so it wouldn't work. A stripped rom with extendir would be great (if extendir makes its expectations come true).
"Extendir is a file system filter driver that significantly increases the performance of your phone, in specific situations even up to 12 times as fast and faster…"
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Couldn't figure it out either. I tried doing Extendir on my first ROM. No luck. It'd be cool though, lol.

Please Help ME get custom.
I would love a ROM that has the newest version of 6.5, and the latest version of Manila Touch Flo.I've been look'n for a Super Mario Bros. Theme for Manila TouchFlo forever!
I've googled it, found one for 3d, but not 2d. I'd love this as a all around theme intergraded throughout the UI.
As far as the nuts and bolts go, I need bluetooth, internet share, Net.CF, MMS, and internet good to go out of the box, MS Office, the basics. I'm also into some of the more "fatty" ROMS. Including:
Microsoft Facebook
Flash Player
Microsoft My Phone
Oxios Memory
My Light (or some other program that is finger friendly back light control.)
HTC Streaming Media
cichy 3000 Link Creator
Twikini (or similar twitter app.)
Evernote
Pandora
Chi-Tai Dang Second Today
Chi-Tai Dang Home Screen PlusPlus (with both, can overclock 6.5 to 299)
Smart Lock
Joel Illgen Phoney Call
Coo Tek Cooperation TouchPal
Pocket MSN
Brins0.net Tonality
SDK CommManager (or just a newer comm manager interface)
Google Maps
To anyone willing to help me get this ROM, I'll DEFINATELY DONATE A GOOD AMOUNT!
Thanks for making this thread. I'm not sure if this is the kind of response/request you're wanting, if not, I apologize, and understand if it's moved.
If anyone needs the cab files for any of these programs, I'll gladly send them to you.
God Bless.

holylove02 said:
I would love a ROM that has the newest version of 6.5, and the latest version of Manila Touch Flo......
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Sounds like Mr. Ill's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553269
Now, it doesn't have all of the apps you asked, but I bet he could modify it pretty quickly to include those.

ace10134 said:
Sounds like Mr. Ill's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553269
Now, it doesn't have all of the apps you asked, but I bet he could modify it pretty quickly to include those.
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Thanks Man! I appriciate it. I sadly don't know the creator of the program, but I think by far the most used program was forgotten, The XDA Shutdown program. Thank you to whoever made it! It is a God send! lol!

As for the remote tracker, i can't seem to get it to flash over. It "flashes" fine but nothing on the other end. I tried installing the cab on top of it and it won't let me (Probably because its there somewhere). This work on 6.5 right?

holylove02 said:
I would love a ROM that has the newest version of 6.5, and the latest version of Manila Touch Flo.I've been look'n for a Super Mario Bros. Theme for Manila TouchFlo forever!
I've googled it, found one for 3d, but not 2d. I'd love this as a all around theme intergraded throughout the UI.
As far as the nuts and bolts go, I need bluetooth, internet share, Net.CF, MMS, and internet good to go out of the box, MS Office, the basics. I'm also into some of the more "fatty" ROMS. Including:
Microsoft Facebook
Flash Player
Microsoft My Phone
Oxios Memory
My Light (or some other program that is finger friendly back light control.)
HTC Streaming Media
cichy 3000 Link Creator
Twikini (or similar twitter app.)
Evernote
Pandora
Chi-Tai Dang Second Today
Chi-Tai Dang Home Screen PlusPlus (with both, can overclock 6.5 to 299)
Smart Lock
Joel Illgen Phoney Call
Coo Tek Cooperation TouchPal
Pocket MSN
Brins0.net Tonality
SDK CommManager (or just a newer comm manager interface)
Google Maps
To anyone willing to help me get this ROM, I'll DEFINATELY DONATE A GOOD AMOUNT!
Thanks for making this thread. I'm not sure if this is the kind of response/request you're wanting, if not, I apologize, and understand if it's moved.
If anyone needs the cab files for any of these programs, I'll gladly send them to you.
God Bless.
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Yeah wow, good luck with that. That's so bloated I don't think it could physically fit on your phone. And even if it does, good luck multitasking. When it comes to custom ROMs you can't have everything, that's what cab files and a storage card are for.

tonyc0642 said:
Yeah wow, good luck with that. That's so bloated I don't think it could physically fit on your phone. When it comes to custom ROMs you can't have everything, that's what cab files are for.
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I think it totaled to 58 MBs. That's reasonable. I've seen bigger NBH's than that.

ace10134 said:
I think it totaled to 58 MBs. That's reasonable. I've seen bigger NBH's than that.
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Yeah but like I said, even if it does fit, good luck multitasking. Pointless imo.

tonyc0642 said:
Yeah but like I said, even if it does fit, good luck multitasking. Pointless imo.
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Not all of it is running at once. Just because something's installed, it's not taking up RAM, unless it's a background proccess app.
Anyways, this is a thread where users can request ROM's! To one person, it's useless, to another, it's amazingly awesome!
You lean toward the slim ROM's, while he leans toward the fatty ROM's. Nothing wrong with that. I personally perfer a strong set of apps to be cooked in. It's very nice having those usefull apps already there, so that you don't have to think about installing them yourself.

ace10134 said:
Not all of it is running at once. Just because something's installed, it's not taking up RAM, unless it's a background proccess app.
Anyways, this is a thread where users can request ROM's! To one person, it's useless, to another, it's amazingly awesome!
You lean toward the slim ROM's, while he leans toward the fatty ROM's. Nothing wrong with that. I personally perfer a strong set of apps to be cooked in. It's very nice having those usefull apps already there, so that you don't have to think about installing them yourself.
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I realize that ace, I'm just saying these devices can only do so much, and just because its not running does not mean it isn't taking up space. I would be willing to bet if you built that rom it would have on average less than 15mb of free program memory. And as soon as you open something like skyfire, which is a notorious memory hog, the phone will come to a screeching halt. Storage memory means NOTHING if you don't have the program memory to back it up.
Just to clarify, that's cool if that's what he's into, to each his own. Just know the limitations of your device before demanding so much from it.

tonyc0642 said:
I realize that ace, I'm just saying these devices can only do so much, and just because its not running does not mean it isn't taking up space. I would be willing to bet if you built that rom it would have on average less than 15mb of free program memory. And as soon as you open something like skyfire, which is a notorious memory hog, the phone will come to a screeching halt. Storage memory means NOTHING if you don't have the program memory to back it up.
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Then install CleanRAM on the phone, and schedule it. Problem solved.
It's his ROM, he can deal with the RAM consuption as he wants. I bet he already has all of those apps installed, and you know what, he's was apparently happy enough to have them all installed! He has probably been using that similar setup for a while, and guess what, it seem to work perfectly fine.

thanks man. I like havn the major used apps in the rom so when I have to hard reset my wing (weekly) the time it takes to reinstall everyting is minimal. (normally, apx. 2hrs.)
BIG UPS to ILL!!! the dude did almost exactly what I wanted!!! playn with it now!!!

Personal experiences with cooked ROMs for Uni

Hi there!
This is my first post on the forum but I'm registered for some time ago and was mainly the observer. 'till now, I had nothing to write that it's not already written and explained (I'm not sure if this kind of post exists as well) but consider this as my small contribution to this community.
First I must say that I'm thrilled to know that Uni "scene" is so strong and even if the device is somewhat old, you guys are still cooking new ROMs and seems like you'll never stop exploring. Honestly, if I find some spare time during holidays, I'll do my best to join the scene and to learn all the important stuff so I can cook some myself.
And now, let's get to the point.
I've had 'till now various WM devices running on various platforms but some things were always constant like: SRS WoW HD (I'm oftenly in noisy environments (I'm sound engineer) so this one is MUST HAVE for me), SPB Mobile Shell (sorry but I have to feed my cosmetic hunger ), Total Commander (the first thing I start on my desktop computer), Nitrogen (used for listening music on the move), Garmin XT (needed for frequent travel needs) and few other mainly cosmetic things.
Following is the respective order of ROMs I've installed, tested and run for some time and all of the pros and cons:
Ranju v7.6
My device came with this ROM (since bought used) which I found pretty slow. SPB MS waas oftenly frozen and/or stucked with error so I decided to try out some other ROMs which led me to xda-developers forum and the famous Tomal ROMs.
Tomal v8.9 REGULAR
Downloaded, installed and was like "WOW!!! This guy is SERIOUS!"
Started to install my usual stuff and everything was flawless until i tried to install SRS WoW HD. Installed one version - not working (no sound at all), installed second version - working but when device go to sleep mode it's impossible to wake it up without soft-resetting the device. Did the hard-reset and everything was fine again but I realized that SRS won't work on this ROM (if I've read the thread I'd known that before trying - sorry for the ignorance). Other than that - GREAT ROM!
Tomal v10 64MB
I knew that the Uni is capable of running the 6.5 platform so I downloaded and installed this one, truely hoping that it will run now SRS thing (again, if I've read the thread, I would know that it won't). Installed all the bells and whistles I need and found out that my Uni is running awfully slow having about 3-4 megs of free RAM after just a couple of minutes running. It started to change ringtones by itself, when people tried to call me I was unavailable and even if they could reach me I was oftenly unable to answwer the call. Yes I know: it's completely my fault (installed many RAM hungry - background running apps).
Tomal v12 64MB
I thought "if this ROM really looks like it was shown on pics, I don't have to install SPB MS". Downloaded, installed, was "WOW!!!" again but after few hours of using it (haven't installed none of the 3rd party software) I was
It got stucked like the previous version running with awfully low free RAM. And, this one also, couldn't run SRS WoW HD.
Beasty & Laurentius 2.09.01
Saw the preview pics and thought "why not? Let's try..." Downloaded, Installed, added all of my apps and it was still OK. Running OK, no problems installing any of software. Fair enough. But then I started SMSing with one of my clients and realized how much I miss SMS threading and finger scrolling... That was it... time to find something else...
At this point I was fairly desperate thinking that something's definitely wrong with me. I thought I'd never find ROM that suits my needs but I continued browsing, searching, reading and downloading.
Finally I've changed the approach and started hunting for some light/vanilla ROM running on 6.1 platform.
nk 21055 Vanilla (I don't remember who the chef was... sorry)
Found this ROM, saw specs and read the experiences. Fair enough to try. Downloaded, installed, running OK but missing so much stuff I've used to have. Took me an age to install and configure everything but finally I did it and started growing roots on this ROM.
After some time, while trying to change (first) bootsplash, my Uni was stuck at the bootloader so I had to run MTTY to fix things and to reflash. Installed this ROM again and then realized how much time I have to spend to get it back as it was be. Gave up.
P.S.: network setup was also pain in the ass since this ROM was the only one I've tried without settings and parameters for my network so each time I did soft-reset I had an alert to have to set network parameters myself and it continued doing so even after I've set all of the parameters.
Luca16thebig 2.0.5 REGULAR 64MB
Great ROM. Even if I know it's the 6.1 it features all the thing I need from 6.5 but again, the lack of RAM made me reflash although everything worked fine.
Luca16thebig 2.0.5 VANILLA 64MB
Installed, added all of my apps I need, looking good, running smooth, no problems so far. Started "growing roots" on this one. It seems that I finally found a compromise between 6.1 and 6.5 in this one. All of the 3rd party software runs smoothly and flawless and the RAM amount is about 15 megs all the time (with SPB MS and other things running in background).
At the end I must say one big, fat THANK YOU to all of the chefs (namely: Tomal, Luca, Ranju, Beasty, Laurentius, Luca) and everyone else of the xda-developers community. This is the most useful place for all of my exploration of WM. Sometimes it's really hard to understand what some smart people have to say but my english also sucks so I understand that and trying hard to understand everything you guys say.
Keep up the good work and keep the scene alive!
CheerZ!

Check also this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=525500
In my opinion the best 6.1 rom for our universal's (and believe me when I say that I have tested them all!)

Welcome to forums
Thanks for sharing your experiences with ROM´s
If you want to test more have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549207
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Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!

New and need feedback

Hey there Im new to the forums and heres my question and I apologize in advance since im sure that this will be a bit redundant.
Ok first off Im looking for a ROM thats got the best mix of performance and looks. Ive been looking at NRG's roms and they look great but Im just not sure, thats why Im asking.
Ok next is the Radios. Is there a noticeable difference in versions? And are they region dependent, as in one that works great in Australia but doesn't work that good in the US. I dont think there would be a difference but I want to be sure thats why im asking.
Next is apps. Whats the must have apps for the phone. Assuming that your running wm 6.5. Im looking for anything really, just list what you think is the best.
Lastly is games. Which emulators run the smoothest. Whats the best winmo games out there. And is there a ported quake, doom and hopefully my fav fallout 1 or 2?

1) NRG has amazing ROMs. I have been using NRG's roms since I started flashing it and have rarely been unhappy (if I was, it was a minor problem that was promptly fixed in the next release)
2) radios are highly dependent on your carrier and your own specific phone. some radios work better on you phone and some worse. take it for a test run over a few days (3-4 would be a decent amount)
3)apps... that's up to you there. I personally have:
Where is...? - an app that pulls the gps location and allows you to save it so you can recall and walk back to the location later.
G-Alarm - the alarm that requires you to do mazes or math questions to unlock snooze or turn off. Extremely flexible (choose your music, date schedule, pattern, snooze style, etc)
Garmin XT - if you can find a hacked version, it will make your life easier.
Google Maps - for the most updated locations of stuff you want to find
CleanRAM - occaisionally you run into something that is slugging your phone down. run this program to keep it running
Task Facade - MUST USE. It essentially acts like ALT-TAB for windows. just assign the short PTT button press to task facade and you'll be able to multitask real fast.
4) games. look around for the touchpro mega arcade pack. you get real old classic games like UNO (addictive.. really addictive), dope wars (nostalgic), space trader (also very nostalgic), minesweeper, etc etc. In terms of emulators, try FPSECE. I have yet been able to configure it properly, but it is supposedly able to play most PS1 games with great quality and little to no stuttering.
PS: please note that these are additional programs are ones that are not in NRG's ROM (except goggle maps. It was worth a mention for its special use)
I hope that helps.
EDIT: I did forget to mention. Welcome to XDA Developer.

So whats the difference between the Sense, TF3D, and Titanium? Obviously theyre different interfaces but is sense really that slow compared to the others?
Sense looks the best but I hear that its just slow compared to the others.
And how about XDANDROID? Any thoughts if its ready for full time use? I know that some things like bt, camera, and gps dont work right now but Id be willing to sacrifice those for the great os. Is there any info on stability and battery life of the new release?
Sorry for all the questions, Ive been on here reading all weekend but some things are so hard to figure out with the 300+ page threads.
Thanks

XDAndroid:
Im using it as my main OS, but I realy need charger in my pocket =D
And sometimes it freeze, so you must restart, waiting for WM boot and after for Android boot, so it sometimes take long time. But YES, it is possible to use as main OS.
TF3D - orginally made for VGA and Raph, but need some tweaks, have landscape,normlay slow, but tweaked is fast
Sense 2.5 - latest, nice , sometimes unstable, NO landscape, ported,sometimes slow
Sense 2.1 - ported, nice, have landscape - my favorite (im using it when im in WM),fast
Titanium - basic interface from WM 6.5 , have landscape, made for VGA, but i dont like it
I can recommend EnergyROM Phoenix2 -it is fast, stable and it looks nice

MiTMaNeK pretty much has it all down. I personally use Sense 2.1 and I absolutely love it. try out NRG's roms. They're amazing and he's one of the better chefs out there for the raphael roms.

WOW well thanks alot for the informative replies. I guess that settles it then, phoenix2 it is. Well at least till what sounds like a battery issue gets fixed. Hopefully thats soon, I cant wait for full time android.
Thanks alot

give the android rom some time. it'll be much better in the future. for now, try phoenix 2 and you'll appreciate it more.