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wm6 standard questions

hey guys (and girls where aplicable),
i got a question (a sorta dumb one). If a smartphone lik the iPAQ 514 Voice Messenger or the HTC Vox have windows mobile 6 standard does that mean they run regular windows mobile programs or smartphone versions? See the Cheeta/treo 750 has windows mobile standard ed. and is called a smartphone but it uses regular PPC programs, the other two mentioned before have the same wm6 but no touch screen. so i was wondering if that made a diference in the phones capabilities to use PPC Progs? I appreciate any answers as i am greatly puzzled and intregued buy this.

With WM6 they dispensed with the term "smartphone" in favour of WM 6 Standard. Too many non Windows Mobile phones were being called "smart phones" as well as PPC phones.
WM Standard has no support for touch screens and many PPC apps will not run on it.
WM Pro has touchscreens.

understanding versions...
so lemmie go over this... a ppc with a touch screen is said to run WM6 pro, a ppc without a touch screen is said to run wm6 standard the "smartphone" version. so what of the vox? it has all the capabilities of a full sized PPC without the touch screen so where would it and the ipaq 514 fit in? Because correct me if i'm wrong but dont they offer features like MS Office editing and production verus the others whose ability is limited to viewing or is it the WM6 platform that actually enables this?

You're right, its just a functionality of WM6. Any smartphone (i.e. non-Touch screen device) running WM6 has those same office capabilities and will be running WM6 Standard, not Professional.

As far as I know the two WM6 are one same core of the same OS but..
In the PPC version there is more advanced setup in the menus wich setup is locked in the Srtandard by default.
For example in the Standard there is no way to change the IP of the wi-fi manually.
And in the pocket pc there is some dll's, responsible for touchscreen operation .

yes but....
i do believe you might be correct on everything but the I.P setup for standard. i have an sda running wm6 and i can manually setup my wifi and change certain settings in the network config. Also the HP ipaq 514 that i've been researching also has the same features. see my big thing is i love he compact size of the smart phone but need the capabilities of the PPC. It wold be great if i could get the best of both. i know the O2 XDA stealth has that exact combo but they are hard to find and kinda pricey for thier age.

There are separate SDKs for Standard and Pro, so I think the differences run a little deeper.

well what to do?
well i guess my final questions then wuld be what kind of phone are:-
1/ O2's xda stealth
2/ HP's Ipaq 514

Wheres the diamond interface to our unis? both are VGA

hi friends, is it possible? diamond and uni are vga devices, so why arent chefs giving us roms with diamond interface?
thx
sorry for my english

Diamond has 3d drivers (Accelerators), Universal I believe does not...theres tons of changes in both Diamond and Universal. VGA screen itself cant solve everything...tons of changes internally as well .
Lets see what is possible...

We're very unlikely to see a 'full' Diamond implementation for a number of reasons:
1) As rdosti stated, the Diamond has 3D acceleration - this may just be software drivers, or there may be some hardware involved. Even if it's just a good software driver, unless the Uni has the same underlying hardware, we're unlikely to see a port of the drivers. So - manilla (TouchFlo 3D) is very unlikely.
2) The Diamond is an altogether *bigger* machine than the Uni. The specs are just so much higher:
ROM - 256MB vs 128MB
RAM - 192MB vs 64MB
Storage - 4GB vs leftover ROM.
So - there's very little chance we could even see all the Diamond *apps* in a Uni ROM - they won't fit!
That said, if you look in the 'Development and Hacking' forum, the thread shown below is devoted to porting Diamond Apps, and while most work seems to be on converting VGA to QVGA, there's a full OEM and SYS dump in there. It's probably from a BETA release of the ROM, though, since I don't think the Diamond has been on sale (much) yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395400
So - what could we realistically see on the Uni?
The Diamond version of Adobe PDF (already available as OEM package/CAB)
The Diamond YouTube player (maybe - haven't seen much on this).
The Diamond extensions to Outlook (maybe).
HTC Album VGA (Already available as OEM/CAB).
HTC Audio Manager VGA (maybe).
The Diamond Dialler (maybe).
The latest ArcSoft MMS (probably).
Opera 9.5 (Build 1126 is already out there as a CAB for VGA).
Most of the ROM cookers here seem to concentrate on light/fast ROMs, and don't particularly seem to like the HTC applications, so whether or not any of this sees the light of day in a Uni ROM is open to question.
If someone manages to port the underlying drivers and gets TouchFlo 3D working at a decent pace, that would be wonderful, but I for one won't be holding my breath!
-PJC

you need this trash ?
1. this interface slow like hell
2. with crappy functionality
3. with giant memory consuption

maybe we can use the diamond videocall app for wm6.1?

ken0150 said:
maybe we can use the diamond videocall app for wm6.1?
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Yes, may be. Tomal (Ranju) is working on it, more info will be released soon

Win_XP said:
Yes, may be. Tomal (Ranju) is working on it, more info will be released soon
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The Uni and Diamond have different CPUs and Different GPU.
Diamond uses Qualcomm we use XScale.
Not much chance of porting anything without a great deal of pain.

Uni uses also Qualcomm chipset (MSM6250) for 3G video calling, yeah I know that is hard work to be ported, but only told's what Tomal is working on

beast0898 said:
The Uni and Diamond have different CPUs and Different GPU.
Diamond uses Qualcomm we use XScale.
Not much chance of porting anything without a great deal of pain.
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yes, that's the main point.
dialer is working great on uni and functions for video call is visible (at least). but need to be tested under 3g network.

Ok friends! we all know the differences btw uni and diamond, but what I was thinking is get the diamond build OS, some apps compatible, htc home vga, and not diamond drivers... I understood u.. and I think the chefs will give us great roms based on diamonds... without the trash that can make our unis slower and with less free ram...!
thanks bros!

Diamond Interface
sorry.. error

Magician WM4 Incompatiblity Issues

As Magician cant run WM5 or WM6. Almost all new Applications cannot run on Magician as they are not compatible with WM4. So any solutions to run the Applications on Magician? A patch or something that emulates WM5 API on WM4 and allows WM5/6 Applications to be Installed/Used. ?

yea! this way it good.
look this one
this gx.dll can use wm5 games on wm3

Here ya go WinMo lovers, a screen shot of the purported next generation Windows Mobile OS codenamed Crossbow, courtesy of MS Mobile News. Sure, it could just be a WinMo 5.0 theme for all we know but if this is the full Pocket PC homescreen above, then we can expect a glossier look, continued softkey support, and a smattering of oh so Vista icons when this, and the SmartPhone version are released in the first half of 2007. As we already heard from Microsoft, Crossbow will feature a new version of Office Communicator and "strong links with Office 2007 and Exchange 12." If all this still leaves you aching for the hotness of Photon, well, suck it up son 'cause that's not scheduled to hit until the first half of 2008.

I have nothing to say with this issue but maybe just a few threads that you may want to count on.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452501 for a list of magician today + other software.
http://www.pointui.com for a good screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444414&page=8 for a good today replacement that gives you really Vanilla 2D and Diamond skins for your today (but in Chinese). I have translated a skin with iphone - just look into the forum with keyword iphone2.
Of course, if you are running magician you might want to consider the tx203 rom, which is the best rom for me - some reported buggy but I have been running it for 1 year on my o2 mini without any problem.
Philip

Energy jobs said:
Here ya go WinMo lovers, a screen shot of the purported next generation Windows Mobile OS codenamed Crossbow, courtesy of MS Mobile News. Sure, it could just be a WinMo 5.0 theme for all we know but if this is the full Pocket PC homescreen above, then we can expect a glossier look, continued softkey support, and a smattering of oh so Vista icons when this, and the SmartPhone version are released in the first half of 2007. As we already heard from Microsoft, Crossbow will feature a new version of Office Communicator and "strong links with Office 2007 and Exchange 12." If all this still leaves you aching for the hotness of Photon, well, suck it up son 'cause that's not scheduled to hit until the first half of 2008.
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Crossbow? are it's WM6.1????

WM6.1 vs. 6.5 on Wizard

I'm new to this forum and to flashing the ROM on my Wizard. This is a fantastic forum with a wealth of contributions, though it is rather daunting for the newcomer.
I have experimented with a couple of WM6.5 builds (RC4 and newer Beta), a 6.1 build, and the original 5.0. I find WM6.5 to be rather unusable. WiFi doesn't work well, TouchNFlo is intermittent, and everything is dog slow. 6.1 seems a nice upgrade to 5.0.
Are others having a similar experience with 6.5? Is it too much for this 3 year old device? I'm not sure what the advantages are, other than personal taste for user interface.
Another question (and excuse me for perhaps not doing a better search)--if I find a build I like, but want more than the "clean" version, can I easily add the missing pieces, such as Manila 2D?
Thanks everyone!

Hi! Glad you joined! With regards to your question....WM6.5 officially released on October the 18th so until then all of the WM6.5 builds were based on betas and RCs which usually have bugs and what not which usually end up being slow anyways...there are several 6.5 builds based of of the final/ release version which run fairly quick . WM6.1 has been out for a while now and is the best go between for WM5 and 6.5 as of right now and its highly recommended by me! Im not telling you to (because you should research and pick one on your own!) but i used X2Hs NSN WM6.1 with Manila 2D and it was blazing fast so you should look into that!Cheers!

Maybe try to overclock your wizard? I got H3r's WM 6.5 rom on my wizard. Overclocked to 260 Mhz, about 29-30 MB of free ram after reboot. It works better than some 6.1 roms i tested.

I installed X2H's new "iphone killer" WinMo 6.5 ROM and its BLAZING FAST even without overclocking.... i highly suggest you look into that!!!!!

iphone killer
acraigwalker said:
I'm new to this forum and to flashing the ROM on my Wizard. This is a fantastic forum with a wealth of contributions, though it is rather daunting for the newcomer.
I have experimented with a couple of WM6.5 builds (RC4 and newer Beta), a 6.1 build, and the original 5.0. I find WM6.5 to be rather unusable. WiFi doesn't work well, TouchNFlo is intermittent, and everything is dog slow. 6.1 seems a nice upgrade to 5.0.
Are others having a similar experience with 6.5? Is it too much for this 3 year old device? I'm not sure what the advantages are, other than personal taste for user interface.
Another question (and excuse me for perhaps not doing a better search)--if I find a build I like, but want more than the "clean" version, can I easily add the missing pieces, such as Manila 2D?
Thanks everyone!
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in fact there are some cabs to add m2d (4 ex) htc home, etx.
and yes im using the iphone killer (wm6.5 based) and is really fast, no need to overclock (i think is no worth to overclock since the wizard work flawless with iphone killer and some others i have tried be4)
but 6.5 have a flexible interface so you wont miss the m2d (i prefer the htc home) but 6.5 is very nice..... and of course if you go to spb shell page there you can download very nice demos and get the best.good looking-funcional interface.
good luck!
p.s. send pm if you want more tips

BASSMANBOB said:
Hi! Glad you joined! With regards to your question....WM6.5 officially released on October the 18th so until then all of the WM6.5 builds were based on betas and RCs which usually have bugs and what not which usually end up being slow anyways...there are several 6.5 builds based of of the final/ release version which run fairly quick . WM6.1 has been out for a while now and is the best go between for WM5 and 6.5 as of right now and its highly recommended by me! Im not telling you to (because you should research and pick one on your own!) but i used X2Hs NSN WM6.1 with Manila 2D and it was blazing fast so you should look into that!Cheers!
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when you say "X2Hs NSN WM6.1 with Manila 2D" did you mean this
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3459150&postcount=8
or this
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3459142&postcount=2

Over / under clocking iphone killer rom
Hi there, how can you use dynamic over/under clocking with the iphone killer rom?

Download Homescreen++ and deactivate the Windows Standart Desktop Interface an select Homescreen++

[Q] OS Question

Greetings All,
I am a newbie to any sort of forum and I wish to express my thanks in advance for your help.
I have been a WM (HTC Tilt WM 6.1) user for 4 years. Just recently I have been having issues with my phone and I need to purchase a new phone, but I totally confused on what to purchase.
My Tilt has the following programs installed, that I use on a daily basis:
Voice Command, Note2Self, SPB Wallet, SK Tools, Skype, Handy Shopper, in addition to the WM Office suite.
These are the programs that work well for me and I am comfortable with.
My question is this>
Can a widows 7 Phone do all the above or do I find a used WM 6.1 or 6.5 phone…will I like WM 6.5 better?
Or dare I say it…an Android?

Since your a windows mobile user and I'm guessing your most familiar with that os I suggest the touch pro 2 or the HD2. The touch pro 2 because it's a user friendly device, nice sized keyboard and purely reliable. The hd2 is also a nice pick it has a 4.3in screen an extremely fast processor and the touch is pretty sensitive/similar to the iPhone. You can go to htc.com to check the specs and see what you like best.
These are both 6.5 wm capable phones and the HD2 can flash wp7. I personally like winmo over android because of office suite but android is not bad either.

thanks for the info...what does "flash wp7" mean?

The HD2 has a very active dev community and one of the things they have accomplished is to port other operating systems to the device. So you have a choice now between keeping it on the stock WM6.5, or 'flashing' an alternative OS like WP7 or Android.
If you bought one yourself you would have the added bonus of being able to use the apps that you are familiar with.

Thanks for your thoughts.
What about the new HTC Inspire...any thoughts?