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Just a suggestion....
Why don't the admins setup a donations area and all the Chef's have a chance to put their " please donate to me here " buttons rather than plastering it over every single signature on this forum. It is making the site look like an average walk up your local high street, people popping up every 2 feet asking for your hard earned money.
I think that if people want to donate they will go and find the place to do it, they don't need to read it at the beginning, middle and end of every post.
I would also like to add that I think the chefs deserve some payback for their efforts and that this is no way a moan at them, just needs a little tidying up and maybe less of the " I've lost this " or " I've had that stolen ". We know you all deserve a donation but for the work that you do, not for your mis fortune. If personal loss is going to be involved then everyone out there will be posting requests for money, my dog went to the vets last week, please send me some money! I just isn't needed.
Let's have a Pay your dues area, get the chefs to post a request and keep the rest of the forum cleaner and tidier.
Just my opinion.
Basically a good idea, however, it would make more works for the admins as well since they would have to maintain that section to make sure that the donation information are up-to-dat!
By having donation links in their signature, chefs can update this information themselves whenever needed without having to contact admins in order to do the upgrade. I do believe, if someone wants to donate, it is not too much to ask for if he has to click on a link in the signature ...
My brother and I came up with this idea to bribe devs into making cool little ideas we come up with. We "pledge" money to an idea and then when a working product is reviewed, the dev claims the bounty. pretty simple idea.
you can read more here http://tinyurl.com/aa5mgd
the idea it not fully fleshed out and we are trying to improve upon it. so please i would like to hear anyones thoughts on this. criticism is welcome
I'd say a pledge isn't going to do squat (check's in the mail) :/
Now if you were to have people donate $$ to a dedicated per app paypal account I think you've got something.
Another problem you might have is you need a dev with mad knowledge of android and the hardware of the G1 to tell if said app can even become a reality.
Just my 2 cents, I'm no dev but people aren't good at keeping promises over the internet...Dam u stacy29582..lol
Seems interesting enough. I'd do it if the right app came along.
Yes, we plan on setting up a dedicated paypal account soon. I am just using my personal one for now. For this first idea I guarantee the pledge will be paid in full.
oh cool, so the cash will exist during the time of the builds. I was a bit confused. I thought you were thinking more like a grade school jog-a-thon, where once the app 'has' been created you'd have to go around and try to get money out of all the folks that claimed they'd pledge.
Thanks for the feedback. A couple people responded and it looks like the first app idea might happen. We got a few other pledges as well. Just need to wait and see if any support builds up around the idea.
I hope the bounty idea itself will take off. Every day I wish some specific app existed and I'd be willing to pay for it to be developed. I don't know if other people think that way though. Seems everyone just wants stuff for free.
np, tho take my feedback with a grain of salt as I don't know much about development... hopefully your getting more 'developer' feedback elsewhere, Wish ya the best of luck with this
wimbet said:
Seems everyone just wants stuff for free.
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well we did root the phone.... we are used to free apps.... yea it sucks for developers i'll give you that. Nothings wrong with free, but people are to used to things being "free" nowadays
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well we did root the phone.... we are used to free apps.... yea it sucks for developers i'll give you that. Nothings wrong with free, but people are to used to things being "free" nowadays
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Yup look at JFs releases. They are "free" but several people have donated, including myself, to thank him for his work and encourage him to keep going.
Thats all we aim to do. Encourage devs to code ideas and then reward them for their hard work.
good idea, but as soon as paid apps get going properly and all the (hopefully) decent apps start arriving, i don't think this will be needed
Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
To Developers : PM me and i'll give you the details on how it's going to be ran. I've got a rough draft of a guideline that I think will get a lot of people to donate for the cause.
Update : If I get this up and running, there are going to be some pretty cool, exclusive and interactive things that only backers of this program will experience while the developer works on the roms!
Few facts :
I will not have access to the money raised
If the goal is not met, you will get your money back
The community will choose the winner
Exclusive early access for users who donate
Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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CZ Eddie said:
Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
edgex said:
I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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That would be great.
nrm5110 said:
Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
That would be great.
I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not trying to shoot you down bro just saying in the past these things have gone bad at one point mods were squashing these before they could start. The problem is that these guys already do this on their own time on top of having familys, scool, jobs, etc. If you really wanna bolster development buy the guys doing this a beer a bounty never improves quality while speeding things up it just speeds things up with a bare minimum quality I know you have provisions and such but still id say find a dev you trust throw a few his way and watch I don't speak from ignorance good sir only from experience
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Appdroid you sir always pop in at wonderful moments
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appdroid said:
Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I appologize if I insulted you but I just wanted you to be aware man you know what your doing if the devs are cool then by all means
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It's okay. The end goal (I hope) is that we, Skyrocket users, will have a smooth running AOSP ICS build! It's a win-win for both devs and the community!
As long as the community has the same desire for an AOSP build as much as I do then there isn't any doubt that this will work out. You don't know how much I HATE TouchWiz. The hate has been refueled ever since I flashed the leaked ICS build. There's no way out for us ICS users right now.
How about this, just an idea. Get a dev who is willing to make Aosp for Skyrocket and get him a skyrocket! Just like what we did for other two devs! Like t989 ppl got raver a t989 and now he is working on aosp. Let's get a dev from other section!
i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that wouldnt involve you having the money
He was one of the 5 dev I've contacted. Since giving the devs a skyrocket in previous cases (as you have stated) has not really worked, this program will get a final build within a month and a half of time with (hopefully) a bigger payout in the end.
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i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that would involve you having the money
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I will have something set up where I won't have access to the money (no paypal or other shady outlets). I understand your concerns and I already have devised a strategy to give the users who donate confidence that this program is not a scam. Like I've stated before in this thread, participating users who donate will get interactive exclusive access throughout the process. If for some reason that this programs goal is not met, everyone will get their donations back. It's a win-win-win situation. It will be an experience you'd most enjoy! (if it launches)
If you haven't noticed by now, I have started a Skyrocket section over at reddit and manage it with the most up-to-date information about the device (link in my signature). I only care about our community having the best that there is.
Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
thisguy2431 said:
Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Oh, that's nice! Bashing the whole community, outstanding!
ojx said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Well the poster of that comment clearly doesn't understand what XDA is. It is a community of hobbyists that do this in their spare time. They are free to do it however they please and condemning them for sharing their work that they could very well just keep to themselves is just arrogant and obtuse. If you truly appreciated XDA for what it was then that wouldn't have been there.
You are most definitely right that everyone is entitled to their opinions but if your opinion is that XDA is a 90's style development community then by all means, go elsewhere.
Thats just MY opinion
Okay so you started your own project/mod/copypasta/etc and you wish to make a little money. Here are my tips to being successful and making a decent amount.
DONT MAKE ROMS/MODS FOR MONEY
if you are only doing this for money, make apps.
Never ask for money. Ever. Put up a donation link and don't ask
Don't do favors or treat people different because they donated.
Donations should be anonymous, if they say they donated that's up to them.
Treat donations like finding money in the dryer. Its a surprise and don't expect it to be there.
Donate your time and ability for free for a greater good and you'll find more donations just from helping.
Never hold your hand out or ask for something in return. If you don't have what it takes. Help someone who does.
Don't be a charity case, people donate because they feel like it.
Hopefully this will get through to a couple people. Remember most important is this is a community and should be for fun. There are ways to make money but donations are not it.
You'll see my sig has about the highest acceptable request for donations. It should be no more than that.
Happy modding
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Just curious, whats a respectable amount? Of course one could say any amount out but really, whats like the normal for a donation for say a rom or kernel? I often find myself about to donate $500 to some developers but then wonder if thats the norm or too less? Yes some is better than none but how much is worth it and how much is less enough to be a insult? 5$ literally a beer? 1$ why bother? Does 10 make a dev grin? Would 20 make them love me? Dont need that.
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Just curious, whats a respectable amount? Of course one could say any amount out but really, whats like the normal for a donation for say a rom or kernel? I often find myself about to donate $500 to some developers but then wonder if thats the norm or too less? Yes some is better than none but how much is worth it and how much is less enough to be a insult? 5$ literally a beer? 1$ why bother? Does 10 make a dev grin? Would 20 make them love me? Dont need that.
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Its like any other donation, whatever you feel like giving, while $500 would be much appreciated by any developer, I'd say its a bit excessive as donations go.
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Lol i was deff jk with the 500. Had to throw a big number in just in case my little ones were trumped. I donate occasionally, for like the santas that are coming anytime now outside stores, and the occasional guy with his bicycle holding a sign saying he ran out of gas. Talkin like a few bucks. As bad as it sounds they really didnt put effort for me to donate, and alls they are wanting is whatever you can give. Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts. Just last week I was about to send 7$ to someone but didnt because idk if the beer money others have said to donate or the coffee some say would be nice is just that or if it's forum donation slang. Not too long ago i misunderstood this Linux distro download and thought it said donations required. I had yet to try it or even knw if it was good. I donated a penny. Received a thank you email and all. The donation actually wasnt required and there was an option to download for free. I was like man if i got a penny for a unrequired donation id question my material or wonder what that guys problem was. Obviously when its nothing vs something the something always wins. However, sometimes it may of been better to not at all, like i used to move houses, furniture moving, and after moving all of someones stuff and they are like o here i wanted to give you this for all of your hard work, get yourself a 10-10-21 call on me for 1$. Its a little awkward cuz u dont knw if they knw and its all n kindness but really you shouldnt have. Would of been better with a handshake and the security of knowing i am still unaware you have no idea what year it is.
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Its like any other donation, whatever you feel like giving, while $500 would be much appreciated by any developer, I'd say its a bit excessive as donations go.
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Lol i was deff jk with the 500. Had to throw a big number in just in case my little ones were trumped. I donate occasionally, for like the santas that are coming anytime now outside stores, and the occasional guy with his bicycle holding a sign saying he ran out of gas. Talkin like a few bucks. As bad as it sounds they really didnt put effort for me to donate, and alls they are wanting is whatever you can give. Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts. Just last week I was about to send 7$ to someone but didnt because idk if the beer money others have said to donate or the coffee some say would be nice is just that or if it's forum donation slang. Not too long ago i misunderstood this Linux distro download and thought it said donations required. I had yet to try it or even knw if it was good. I donated a penny. Received a thank you email and all. The donation actually wasnt required and there was an option to download for free. I was like man if i got a penny for a unrequired donation id question my material or wonder what that guys problem was. Obviously when its nothing vs something the something always wins. However, sometimes it may of been better to not at all, like i used to move houses, furniture moving, and after moving all of someones stuff and they are like o here i wanted to give you this for all of your hard work, get yourself a 10-10-21 call on me for 1$. Its a little awkward cuz u dont knw if they knw and its all n kindness but really you shouldnt have. Would of been better with a handshake and the security of knowing i am still unaware you have no idea what year it is.
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These guys don't do this for donations, its a labor of love and they do it whether they get anything for it or not, its about sharing knowledge for most of us. Donations are not required but they are appreciated in any amount.
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"Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts"
I know thats what i was sayin.... so 10$ a good norm donation? 50? 5? If it was something that was sold (custom roms) it could easily be priced 25-100$ (i think anyways). Basically id rather not donate something that is not enough to be taken as a real donation and id rather not do so much that an awkward "friendship" is created. Lol i think im runnin n circles here. Like tipping at a restaurant, go to rule 15% (hopefully), whats that for here? Lol just tryin to do it right.
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"Here tho, they are taking time and effort and mad skills to create something for anybody without the intention of being donated to but gladly accepts"
I know thats what i was sayin.... so 10$ a good norm donation? 50? 5? If it was something that was sold (custom roms) it could easily be priced 25-100$ (i think anyways). Basically id rather not donate something that is not enough to be taken as a real donation and id rather not do so much that an awkward "friendship" is created. Lol i think im runnin n circles here. Like tipping at a restaurant, go to rule 15% (hopefully), whats that for here? Lol just tryin to do it right.
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The amount doesn't matter, that's the point. When developers offer development then any donation of any amount is just a bonus. There is no "too small" or "too big", they don't do this for donations so it doesn't matter if you give anything or not. I'm sure that developers want to know their work is appreciated but they don't care if they get donations or not, if that were so then it wouldn't be freely offered, they'd charge a set amount for it and that goes against the community rules here. You are making more of this than what it really is, just donate or don't, its that simple.
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