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Need info to make my own Custom ROMs for X7510

Hi people,
I come from the other side of the fence "Palm"
I just upgraded to the X7510, sweet piece of hardware and beautiful 5" display
So i'm very familiar in the Palm Treo world on customizing my own ROMs.
After reading & searching A LOT in here and other PPC forums, i still have a few utilities i can't seem to find.
So i read there is also a BootLoader screen in the PPC world, very typical of the HTC devices, makes custom ROMing very simple.
However, i still haven't come across the name of the applications you guys use to Dump (backup) the current ROM, and the Upload the new ROM into the device.
Or it seems like the only way is via ActiveSync 4.5 ?
Another doubt i have is about the Unlocked part.
My device is straight from HTC unlocked, does it mean it is fully SIM and CID unlocked, or it's only SIM unlocked?
By that i want to figure out if i need to run the CID unlock before doing the Custom ROMs etc.
And last but not least...
I'd like to contribute with the 7510 ROM original dump, seems like the Wiki doesn't have it yet,
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Athena_Upgrades
so i'll probably need the same whatever tool you guys use, as asked in my first question, to backup the old ROM.
which will also help us fill the empty space in the Wiki left for the very same question
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
"How to dump the ROM"
Thanks
Cheers!

well... since i got no response from anybody
Thanks to myself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408519
found the tool i was looking for to build my own rom.

and to top it off i finally found the ROM backup topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334680

now beats me on the mobile 6 subsection, and something that is totally on another area for another phone... oh well...

Good on you allgamer for taking a lead here. Some of us have been pushing for a separate 7510 forum under the Athena section. Without that we 7510 owners are continuously looking for "needles in haystacks".
cktlcmd and eaglesteve have been burning the 7510 candle for us. With your input we'll get this device on the map yet.

Hey i also just got a x7510, and id love see a x7510 rom!

hell yeah, you can say that again.... it was so hard to find anything, some times stuff like this the Search engine did not pick it up
like the rom dump, on another phone, i understand it is all PPC, but still it might have been different for some models
at least that was true in the Palm world, so i guess in the PPC world we'll have it easy, since it looks like all models dump appears to be the same.
as for the utility, never would have guessed it would have been found mentioned within a thread about something completely different.
anyways, now that i know, i'll be writing more about it, once i start working on it.
robjhellis said:
Without that we 7510 owners are continuously looking for "needles in haystacks".
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Vico100 said:
Hey i also just got a x7510, and id love see a x7510 rom!
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well, i don't mind sharing my custom ROMs, once i start cooking them.
but don't expect too much since, what i usually like to do is simply clean up all the junk that i don't need
then replace them with Freebies, or registered software, which if that is the case, i wont be able to share it here.

x7510 owners - forward march!
Something several of us are keen to see is a work around to make RealVGA work with Spb Mobile Shell. AllGamer, you mentioned in a post under "SPB Mobile Shell incompatible with Real VGA 96 dpi on the X7510" that you got a solution posted elsewhere working. Can you share with us how you did that?
Also, my devise is definately not running as smooth and quick as I would like it (or expect it to given its processor). As a prelude to getting some cooking going (and I'm not a chef) could we start to identify some tweaks that will make the stock ROM more efficient? For example I always ramp up the siz of cache etc. via MemMaid but to be honest I'm never sure whether it does any good or not.

Hi robjhellis,
Are you saying the performance in x7510 is not as smooth as it should be ? Can you please tell during what operations ie. Video etc it becomes sluggish.That would be a good place to start with.
Thanks,
Srini

Just guess, but i think that is the so much talked about behaviour of the video drivers issue on all HTC products

Videos are great no lag (well when i play them in coreplayer full screen, with specs up full). Only one "problem" lol...the audio is exactly -0.512milli seconds behind (when you hear it). So stupid tried all kinds of videos same result lol so thankfully coreplayer has an option were you just put "-0.512" in and ill kinda sync up the audio.. windows media player is pretty much pointless to play video now since you can't put -512 anywhere and the audio lags big time.
the audio in general is really bad, put on real expensive headphones and you can hear ssshhhhh hissss - the background noise.
Note: i was so shocked/surprised that i did a hard reset thinking maybe its something that i might of installed, but nope problem still there

srigopal said:
Hi robjhellis,
Are you saying the performance in x7510 is not as smooth as it should be ? Can you please tell during what operations ie. Video etc it becomes sluggish.That would be a good place to start with.
Thanks,
Srini
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Hi Guys, my issue isn't playing video - I haven't got to that stage yet on my 7510. Rather its just slow moving around menus, reloading after a soft reset, opening programs etc. I can sometimes count up to 3 and even 5 after selecting a tab before the tab appears e.g. Settings-System. I've also now started to see the start icon in the top left corner not redraw after a soft reset. There is much more lag than I see on my TyTN which, of course, is running a custom ROM

robjhellis said:
Hi Guys, my issue isn't playing video - I haven't got to that stage yet on my 7510. Rather its just slow moving around menus, reloading after a soft reset, opening programs etc. I can sometimes count up to 3 and even 5 after selecting a tab before the tab appears e.g. Settings-System. I've also now started to see the start icon in the top left corner not redraw after a soft reset. There is much more lag than I see on my TyTN which, of course, is running a custom ROM
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I will suggest to check in the ATHENA WM6 section the thread how to speed sogarth base rom....
Basically install netCF3.5 , FDCsoft Taskmanager 3.1 and start changing how/stopping started services and applications (There are many lauchxx keys in the registry to change to avoid self application startup)

sergiopi said:
I will suggest to check in the ATHENA WM6 section the thread how to speed sogarth base rom....
Basically install netCF3.5 , FDCsoft Taskmanager 3.1 and start changing how/stopping started services and applications (There are many lauchxx keys in the registry to change to avoid self application startup)
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By any chance, do you know how to exlude Biotouch from starting list? It is not started from startup links, or at least not directly. I was browsing the regs also, but could not find anything. I use FTouchSL and UL for cube effect on Today screan, so Biotuch seems to be useless.
Also, do you now what a wt5portm or something like that is for ?

Vico100 said:
Only one "problem" lol...the audio is exactly -0.512milli seconds behind (when you hear it). So stupid tried all kinds of videos same result lol so thankfully coreplayer has an option were you just put "-0.512" in and ill kinda sync up the audio..
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Can you be specific where to change this setting on Core Player?

its in advance - > near the bottom "manual A/V offset +/-"
but it still dosn't work...anyone got a solution plz....i don't know what to do the audio is always out of sync for any video..

I've found the same lag on audio and it is SO annoying! Nothing seems to fix it!!

I've created a quick "how-to" on dumping the x7510 ROM, which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org/dumping-your-x7510-s-rom-t6.html#p7
I will follow up with a "how-to" on re-constructing the ROM (unless somebody else feels inclined to do so instead). [Edit - found this how-to] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066
However, we still need HardSPL or similar. CMONEX told me she and Olipro are working on an unlocker with that functionality, so we'll need to wait a tad! Once we have that we can start cooking some ROM's.

Argh! Warranty repair + Upgrade...

Hi all,
I sent my phone back to T-Mobile for a warranty repair because a couple of the keys stopped responding to key presses.
Got the phone back today repaired, they have replaced the keyboard. BUT they have also upgraded the firmware on the phone. Now it is WM6.1 and I am unable to restore my (a lot) applications etc from the 2gb backup file on my SD card.
It asks me for an upgrade file which I don't have. It performs the restore anyways but then the phone won't boot.
On performing a hard reset it comes back with WM6.1
I can't even cancel the damn T-Mobile customisations like I could in WM6 (by restarting the device before they install) now it just wipes the handheld again after boot and installs the T-Mobile crap again every time.
Please can someone help me restore my backup file? Where can I Get an upgrade file?
I found a guide here that I would have followed had I know they would upgrade my phone without my consent:
http://spritesoftware.crmdesk.com/answer.aspx?id=329
Is anyone here still on WM6 (not 6.1) able to create an upgrade file for me and host it somewhere?
I know it's a massive ask but I would be forever greatful if someone could help me out with this.
Many Thanks,
Alex.

If you dont want the 6.1 i would check the wiki/search for the 6.0 rom that you had before you sent it in. The older rom should be avaliable somewhere.. You just have to look for it.

I say you send it back to T-Mobile and ask for a G1 instead

I've spoken to T-Mobile to see if they could change it back and they said there is nothing they can do.
Is there some way to save my current rom to my SD card so that I can go back to 6.0, create an upgrade file for sprite, come back to 6.1 and restore my backup using the upgrade file?
I don't know where I can find the original T-Mobile Rom though I've looked on the web and the T-Mobile site.
Sorry I'll admit that I'm a noob at this.
DJ

Is the backup just to save you re-installing programs, or is there data in the backup that isn't backed up somewhere else?
The only thing I would really "lose" on my phone are the contacts which come right back as soon as I set the phone up to sync with exchange again. If I wasn't using exchange I would have all my contacts backed up in Outlook on my PC.
Maybe you just need to re-install your programs again. WM 6.1 does have some nice enhancements over WM 6.0.

Nothing they can do vs they can't be bothered
DJ_Enigma said:
I've spoken to T-Mobile to see if they could change it back and they said there is nothing they can do.
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Complain to them about much longer GPS lock times (assuming you have the option of installing Tomtom or similar on your phone). I had this problem with the official HTC WM 6.1 upgrade (see this *Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 update thread for more info) and the HTC Service centre reverted the ROM back to 6.0 for free under warranty so if T-Mobile say they cant get the HTC Technical Centre to do this for you, they're not trying hard enough - time to escallate it to the manager! There's no physical reason why they cant revert the ROM and they should have warned you that they would flash the ROM.

martythebrit said:
Is the backup just to save you re-installing programs, or is there data in the backup that isn't backed up somewhere else?
The only thing I would really "lose" on my phone are the contacts which come right back as soon as I set the phone up to sync with exchange again. If I wasn't using exchange I would have all my contacts backed up in Outlook on my PC.
Maybe you just need to re-install your programs again. WM 6.1 does have some nice enhancements over WM 6.0.
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I will lose a lot of data that is not backed up anywhere else. One of the main things is my TomTom favourites, which is full of locations I would have to drive to to save again, and can't drive to without the favourites lol. Other than that it's a lot of apps and customisations like numerous SPB apps that have been tailored to my requirements over the last year.
Flying Kiwi said:
Complain to them about much longer GPS lock times (assuming you have the option of installing Tomtom or similar on your phone). I had this problem with the official HTC WM 6.1 upgrade (see this *Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 update thread for more info) and the HTC Service centre reverted the ROM back to 6.0 for free under warranty so if T-Mobile say they cant get the HTC Technical Centre to do this for you, they're not trying hard enough - time to escallate it to the manager! There's no physical reason why they cant revert the ROM and they should have warned you that they would flash the ROM.
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ffs I hope that's not going to be the case, I use TomTom 6 on my phone ALL the time and I'll be REALLY annoyed if it's not going to perform as well at that. It's the main reason I went for this phone.
I think I will ask for the manager. The pleb I spoke to did even go and ask someone if there was anything they could do.

DJ_Enigma said:
I hope that's not going to be the case, I use TomTom 6 on my phone ALL the time and I'll be REALLY annoyed if it's not going to perform as well at that. It's the main reason I went for this phone.
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GPS was a big drawcard for me also and the difference between HTCs official WM 6.1 vs WM 6.0 ROMs is like night and day (6.1 being night). Give it a test under your new OS just to see how it works with the T-Mobile ROM (I see there's a new 1.70xxxx series T-Mobile Radio - maybe yours has it now) but don't get your hopes up
I think I will ask for the manager. The pleb I spoke to did even go and ask someone if there was anything they could do.
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Feel free to mention you know someone who had the ROM officially reverted for free under warranty. Remember, this is something that is possible to get done, I have personal experience of it.
As far as how to backup in the future, I backup all my Music, Videos and Tomtom Navigator 6.032 Maps and POIs etc on my microSDHC card using my Sandisk Cardreader and Windows XPs own backup utility. It's quick, free and works a treat! There's no need to use any special mobile phone backup software just for this sort of thing (although phone settings/configuration etc will require manual re-entering if you don't back them up - but then I'm unsure if it's possible to retain those across different OSs).

I tried to use my tomtom yesterday and it took ages to lock on despite having the quick gps downloaded.

DJ_Enigma said:
I tried to use my tomtom yesterday and it took ages to lock on despite having the quick gps downloaded.
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Well then assuming you were out in the open and there's no reason why it shouldn't have got a quick lock (other than the 'up'grade), you know what to do!
For other T-Mobile customers and people considering using the radio in a non- T-Mobile Kaiser (not me!), it may be helpful if you post the ROM and Radio Versions you currently have.

ROM Version: 3.31.110.1 WWE
Radio Version: 1.70.18.02
Protocol Version: 25.83.40.02H
The sat nave seems better since that first lock, but I've only used it twice.
Is there a way to backup this ROM before I change back to do my upgrade file?
Cheers,
DJ

Remember your goal
DJ_Enigma said:
ROM Version: 3.31.110.1 WWE
Radio Version: 1.70.18.02
Protocol Version: 25.83.40.02H
The sat nave seems better since that first lock, but I've only used it twice.
Is there a way to backup this ROM before I change back to do my upgrade file?
Cheers,
DJ
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Repeat after me, this ROM is bad, this ROM needs to go, Old ROM is good, Old ROM is whats needed (for the meantime)!
Once you've got your SD Card contents back, then you can think about where to go from there and T-Mobile I'm sure will be only to pleased to supply you with the upgrade again or do it themselves.

Roms for ATT Navigator

I've searched for this topic and any information on it and I apologize if I missed something in advance. I LOVE cooked roms, the only problem I have ever had with them is that they do not work too well with ATT navigator. I really enjoy this program as it gives me traffic and other features. I know there are other programs out there, but I would like to keep this one. With most cooked roms however, it always tells me that it cannot connect to the server. My "Quick" fix is to go into the comm manager and shut off the data connection and when ATT Navigator starts the data connection again, it's all good. I don't get it but whatever.
At any rate, I am just wondering if there are some other users out there who prefer ATT Navigator and if they have found a way to make it work seamlessly on a cooked rom, or a cooked rom that works well with it on its own.
Again I apologize for any redundancies, I hate them too, but I'd really like to have the best of both worlds.
Thank you all SO much for your help in this forum, I'd be stuck with stock if it weren't for you guys and your hard work!
Damian
ATT Tilt
Back to stock (For Now )

Try going to Connections in settings. Hit Advanced tab then Select Networks. Make sure that both options say Media Net. Hope this helps.

Thank you for your help. I've played around every which way with the settings there before, but right now I'm just wondering if there is a rom out there with this already taken into account. I guess another question is, why are there so many setting changes like that in a cooked rom?

drumboy03 said:
I've searched for this topic and any information on it and I apologize if I missed something in advance. I LOVE cooked roms, the only problem I have ever had with them is that they do not work too well with ATT navigator. I really enjoy this program as it gives me traffic and other features. I know there are other programs out there, but I would like to keep this one. With most cooked roms however, it always tells me that it cannot connect to the server. My "Quick" fix is to go into the comm manager and shut off the data connection and when ATT Navigator starts the data connection again, it's all good. I don't get it but whatever.
At any rate, I am just wondering if there are some other users out there who prefer ATT Navigator and if they have found a way to make it work seamlessly on a cooked rom, or a cooked rom that works well with it on its own.
Again I apologize for any redundancies, I hate them too, but I'd really like to have the best of both worlds.
Thank you all SO much for your help in this forum, I'd be stuck with stock if it weren't for you guys and your hard work!
Damian
ATT Tilt
Back to stock (For Now )
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Try mine--I cooked it and I use ATT Navigator or Garmin which both require the data connection for traffic info. They both work great. I used one on one leg of a 2 hour drive I took today and the other on the way home and both worked perfectly. Use the most up-to-date version of my rom. I also am releasing a new version tomorrow night.
One other thing--always make sure that the proxy box is deselected in the media net connection...That will help immensely.
You asked why there are so many setting changes in cooked roms. Once you try the rom I link to below, you will understand why. The chefs tweak these roms to improve overall performance. The rom below is cooked with the objectives of stability, reliability and performance...which I believe we are achieving. You have to try many roms to find one that works for you. I have tried hundreds of them before I started cooking. I got into cooking to help mbarvian because his device was not working and he has done so much for the community and found out I really like cooking. Anyway, I hope that gives you some insight into why we tweak.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463284
Make sure you read the first 5 posts...lots of info in there and report back. I have time cold starts of navigator with the quick gps data already downloaded and they come in under a minute inside my house...most of the time 30 to 40 seconds. Garmin is even faster.

satnav on old xda 2. is it possible

HI all, Ive just been given an old XDA 2 (II). It seems to work ok.
What is the latest version of Windows that this can run and is there a tutorial on how to install it
Before I invest any time or money could somebody give me a pointer as to if I could run tom tom with this?
If so what do i need?
I have used a nokia 6680 with a bluetooth receiver running tomtom and this worked fine. I am assuming the xda runs a different version.
If anybody could tell me where to start i would be very grateful.
Many Thanks
Richie

Check if you have an XDA II, aka Himalya or XDA IIi ala Alpine
Start - Settings - Device Info - Identity
PH10B - Himalaya
PH10C - Alpine
If it's a Himalaya you can upgrade it to WM6.1 or WM6.5. If an Alpine then you are stuck on WM2003.
As for SatNav TomTom 6.5 does install on a WM6.5 Himalaya, just, but i have been unable to test it due to not having a bluetooth GPS.

Thanks so much for a quick reply
Its PH10B so Himalaya
It seems to be windows 4.20.0 so quite far behind I'm guessing
Excellent
I assume I need to be connected to my PC to upgrade, the cradle/usb lead that came with it is not being recognised in XP on my machine.
Is there some drivers I need to download?

Have you installed Active Sync? Very easy to download from Microsoft.
For an updated ROM check the Himalaya section of this forum, there are many to choose from.
I have a Himalaya but it is purely for test purposes, my primary PPC is a Trinity.

Thanks, Active Sync installd, so simple when you know how.
USB now working
Are the ROMS the operating system(windows 6.5 etc)?

Ive now gone to the Himalaya thread.
I see my questions are already answered there
many Thanks

once you have worked out which device you have and can look in the right section most things have been answered already.
i seem to recall that when i installed TomTom 6.5 on my Himalaya it had to go on first and then i had to remove all the voices bar the one i wanted to ahve any space left for anything else. never actually used it as i don't have a BT GPS receiver.

Before i start to do anything could i just check something.
the three main things i would like to do are:
Upgrade the OS to the latest but more importantly most stable version
unlock the sim from 02 only
and add a decent satnav program.
What would be correct order to do this, obviously satnav last.
But does the os need to be done before the sim unlock?

Thinking back to my early days with the Himalaya, i unlocked it and then upgraded it.
Check out All in one SIM unlock to remove the SIM lock. I had success with the early version an one Himalaya and two work Alpines.
The upgrade will totally wipe the device so anthing that is installed will get deleted.

I tried the sim unlock tool but i get a 'does not know what program to open it' message did i miss something?
I flashed the rom ok to a few different versions, I'm going to try the one in your signature ather 6.1
I also tried lastest version of tomtom but it when it came to install it said not enough room? I tried installing an older version of tomtom and it worked fine.
Any tips on that?
I was using a 2gb card?

Can't remember much about the SIM unlock tool, only thing springing to mind is to check that are trying to run it direct on your PDA?
Only ever tried TomTom v6.5. Think the issue is that by default it installs all the foreign voices into System Storage, which once you get it installed and running you can delete and recover space.
Can't say as i use my Himalaya for much these days as i have Trinity.

After a few days of constant trying you get the hang of it in the end.
Thanks so much for the replys. Ive never used a pda before and to start using one thats 10 years old is a bit stupid. However i now have the latest version of tomtom all up and running in time for my london to turkey drive on monday.
I do have an iphone but not much good when there is no 3g to download the maps
Still didnt get the unlock tool to work but i shall keep trying.

Nothing stupid in using a Himalaya, especially as a satnav, the 3.5" screen is great for that.
It has also given you something to learn the basics on in case you take the jump to a WM phone.

GPS software questions

HI
i am looking for a gps software.
I was ready to buy copilot 8, i used to have version 7 and was quite happy with it. Then I realised that copilot 8 for HD2 is a "special" version.
For example there is traffic info with it. Is that correct?
I dont want to blame the development before it happend, but i very suspicious that they will put effort on this version when they have already a general windows mobile version.
so I look at igo8 but
1) how to buy it, the only site i found is to buy a card... Do i need to buy the card, then do some magic to put it on my own card.
2) it seems that to get it working is quite difficult from the number of post so what are the chances for an average guy ?
3) not sure if TMC is working or not, i found post stating both.... and is it free or a subscription ?
i dont want to start a thread " i have the best ..." but any advice for a gps with traffic info with european maps will be welcome.
thanks

it does work with some effort
I do not use TMC so no help there I saw the thread that supposedly says you can make TMC work. when I get time I will try it out but I manage with out it.
BUT I was able to load "Nav N GO" version 8.3.4.102680 on my HD2 and it is great.
the GPS lock some times as fast as 2 sec. flat. (on my old tilt it never took less the a minute from cold start.)
FYI> my program is a cracked version because I was not able to get an upgrade from my original 8.0 version soft. (yeah I do not want to by the card since I want to use a lot of maps and the only version you can by is on the 4Gb card (my map folder only is 4Gb ))