Sorry ,to ask for this problem , which someone already asked ...
But anyone tell me please , about how to fix with this problem...
In "Suspend" Mode , Battery decreased about 10%-15% for only hour ,without any using...
If anyone know what the cause or how to setting , please tell my early ... I need to use my PPC more than 5 hrs a day for studying in Biology. - -
( I set to Maximum Brightness . Enabled EQU and Turn off PHONE MODE )
However , Thank you very much to Cotulla ,for developed this impressed ROM...
yes, mine too.
Hope we can try it the wwe_r1 if this also happens.
Thanks.
Yes,it is confirmed,people should not use flight mode in this version
xiaojin1985 said:
Yes,it is confirmed,people should not use flight mode in this version
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Thank you very much for your answer.
At first I think it must related to SDCard or some device exceed the limitation...
But this ,which normally be a choice to saving more battery power ... now become power "Eater" instead ... - -
Tnhank you xiaojin1985 for your answer. Now we know the solution for the battery drain problem. I usually turn off the phone modul on my Magician because my GSM modul doesn't work. Yesterday I test working of the PDA after your answer with turned on phone and battery drain was normal for couple of hours.
Device is bleeding power
Hi folks!
My device also looses power far too fast. Unfortunately I need to use flight mode for long times since i am flying a lot.
@ Cotulla
Another great job man. But do you see a chance for a workaround of this nasty power problem? Otherwise I need to flash back to previous version.
I am using phone alarm lite on my magician an it shows a power drain of 71mA in flight mode and 75mA in normal mode. But in both modes the power consumtion jumps to much higher values for no obvious reason.
Cheers
Lui
Bateri dll copy to windows
My device also looses power far too fast. Unfortunately I need to use flight mode for long times since i am flying a lot.
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If you have my rom installed, you must remove battery from Magician in the plane
If you turn off BT and phone, I can't guarantee you that it's really power off. maybe it's buggy and it's still power on.
This isn't joke, it's serious.
Bateri dll copy to windows
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Lukasek112 can you confirm thats really work? In moment I can't test it because I downgrade to version WWE_O3.
Myslim ze by to mohlo fungovat.Omlouvam se neumim ENG.Jsem CZ.Pouzi google překladač.Dekuji za pochopeni.Cotulla dekuju za vse co delate.Pokuste se udelat WM 6.5 rom Myslim ze by se vam to mohlo podařit.Ahoj
Myslim ze by to mohlo fungovat.Omlouvam se neumim ENG.Jsem CZ.Pouzi google překladač.Dekuji za pochopeni.Cotulla dekuju za vse co delate.Pokuste se udelat WM 6.5 rom Myslim ze by se vam to mohlo podařit.Ahoj
Cotulla said:
If you have my rom installed, you must remove battery from Magician in the plane
If you turn off BT and phone, I can't guarantee you that it's really power off. maybe it's buggy and it's still power on.
This isn't joke, it's serious.
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Hi Cotulla!
I can´t remove the battery when flying. I need the PDA when flying.
If just Radio and BT would stay on my magician would only consume the same power as in normal operation. But the powerconsumption is at least 5 times higher. So there must be a serious bug somewhere.
Myslim ze by to mohlo fungovat.Omlouvam se neumim ENG.Jsem CZ.Pouzi google překladač.Dekuji za pochopeni.Cotulla dekuju za vse co delate.Pokuste se udelat WM 6.5 rom Myslim ze by se vam to mohlo podařit.Ahoj
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@ Lukasek112:
If you could say that in english or german would be very helpful. But i try your dll and we will see
Hello
What Cotulla says about removing ( and reinserting) the battery when flying, does not only apply to his ROMs. It applies to all Magician ROMs. Flight mode is not accepted by the most air carriers. Use google and see.
P-O
poan said:
Hello
What Cotulla says about removing ( and reinserting) the battery when flying, does not only apply to his ROMs. It applies to all Magician ROMs. Flight mode is not accepted by the most air carriers. Use google and see.
P-O
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Hie poan!
I am the captain of the vessel.
There was never a problem with my magician in flightmode all those years. And the plane was flying as it was supposed to.
So I would love to use flightmode also on generation 9. I am running my flightlog software on this device.
Cheers lui
Going back to 3.03 for battery life
Testing 3.04 and R1 the past few days.. it's very very fast compared to 3.03, but today I'm going back to 3.03 for battery life. All the ROMS are great,, just choose the one that best fit your magician. Thanks Cotulla again for all the great ROMS.
Mike
Hello
Best Luifriedl
In my comment I refferred to "the most air carriers" and that is what you meet on commercial aricrafts and what you can find out from varius websites. So this is comman practice with a few exeptions.
I have absolutly no idea of what is relevant in your specific case.
P-O
poan said:
Hello
Best Luifriedl
In my comment I refferred to "the most air carriers" and that is what you meet on commercial aricrafts and what you can find out from varius websites. So this is comman practice with a few exeptions.
I have absolutly no idea of what is relevant in your specific case.
P-O
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Hi P-O
I just work for one of "those air carriers" in an Airbus.
And on my magician i am using wikipedia (offline) and my flightlog during flight, and that definitely requires the battery installed
CU
Lui
No more comments.
P-O
Related
Sorry for this but I've been using my i-mate *xda 2* for almost 6 years now and i've not been following up with new phones
It is about time for me to change my faithful friend and I am looking for advices here
What I am looking for is
1. BIG screen (I hate the new small screen of imate jamin etc...)
2. NO Keyboard (I love typing on the screen )
3. GPRS
4. Wifi
5. GPS
6. good battery life time
Nothing else really :wink:
I am considering the new HTC advantage but it looks a bit over priced for me. any suggestions are highly appreciated
Sums up the iPhone
You could wait until its globally released.
I WISH the iphone has no gps
Then you mean GPS, not GPRS...
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Then you mean GPS, not GPRS...
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Actually I need BOTH sorry I forgot to add GPS to the list.
I just edited my previous post
thanks
Get an O2 Flame+BT GPS
Also, take a look at HTC P6300(avaliable as O2 Aragon), with which you'll be more comfortable as you're already 'quite' familiar with the himalaya design
kdskamal said:
Get an O2 Flame+BT GPS
Also, take a look at HTC P6300(avaliable as O2 Aragon), with which you'll be more comfortable as you're already 'quite' familiar with the himalaya design
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the HTC p6300 doesn't have a GPS receive built in right?
No such thing at this moment.
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the HTC p6300 doesn't have a GPS receive built in right?
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Yes, it does not have it. Well, you cannot get everything in a single device
Just get a BT GPS and you'll be a happy chap
edit: p6300 uses full size SD too(flame uses micro-SD)
Touch + BT GPS is the best choice
I just bought the HTC S730 today
Where is the s730 forum here?
I have tried like a crazy person to get the 'built-in' gps to work, but i cant even find one satellite :-( Perhaps they have disabled it in the Rom...
Cant wait to hear from other users who have bought the final version of this phone and if they can get the gps to work..
Could you upload your HTC Home screen? I think a lot of users (including me ) are waiting here for this. Would you be so kind please?
martinbr said:
I just bought the HTC S730 today
Where is the s730 forum here?
I have tried like a crazy person to get the 'built-in' gps to work, but i cant even find one satellite :-( Perhaps they have disabled it in the Rom...
Cant wait to hear from other users who have bought the final version of this phone and if they can get the gps to work..
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As soon as I have time we will research it. If the hardware is really built in we will get it going some time (it *will* take time tho)
Got my S730 a few days ago. Loving it so far, except...
Couldn't find any satellites with Google Maps so the GPS does indeed appear to be disabled in the final ROM. I hope someone finds a "fix" for this soon. ;-)
Also, I can't get BlackBerry Connect 4.0.0.76 or 4.0.0.84 to connect RIM. My subscription is enabled (works fine on my BB Pearl) but I can't get a PIN on the S730. If anyone has managed to get this working, I'd love some help.
Cheers
HappyHammer
charlie42 said:
Could you upload your HTC Home screen? I think a lot of users (including me ) are waiting here for this. Would you be so kind please?
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I would be happy to. But i have no idea how to extract it from the phone?
Go to Application Data and the best is you copy the whole Home-Folder and upload it.
Here you go
Hope you can use it...
Can someone btw tell me how i can get more appointments to show in the HTC Home Screen?
Thank you very much! But not working on Vox, there are some missing files in system and plugin support.. I think the clsid is different from the Vox's one and it will be more difficult to make it work.. It only shows appointments I will do some researches
And your question - I tried to find it inside of xml, but not there.. HTC made a configurator to modify HTC home on PPC, so maybe for smartphones it also will appear.. I guess
GPS seems to be in HTC S730
I got my S730 today. Have tried with Efficasoft GPS Utilities for Smartphone v2.0 and Chartcross GPS Test Version 1.04. Both programs finds 0-1 satelliets, not enough for positioning, but there seems to be a GPS. But whay can't it identify enough of satellites?
martinbr said:
Here you go
Hope you can use it...
Can someone btw tell me how i can get more appointments to show in the HTC Home Screen?
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is there anyway you can get a rom dump... cus htc home files are in the windows dir.. and we also need the reg keys to make htc home work
pixelwix said:
is there anyway you can get a rom dump... cus htc home files are in the windows dir.. and we also need the reg keys to make htc home work
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Off course, if someone explains how to do it i will be happy to do it.
*If* the hardware is indeed enabled, you might want to extract drivers from a Kaiser rom. Whether the hardware is indeed present and enabled is hard to determine from the unclear statements in this thread...
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*If* the hardware is indeed enabled, you might want to extract drivers from a Kaiser rom. Whether the hardware is indeed present and enabled is hard to determine from the unclear statements in this thread...
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Please explain how we can verify if the GPS hardware is present and enabled? I tested with Google Maps and adamwasta used a number of other tools, so what can we do to make it less unclear for you? Thanks.
HTC TYTN II ----or----- HTC s730
Can someone please help me decide between the HTC Tytn II OR the HTC S730? I am a heavy texter, sometimes check email, and want a fast phone. I'm worried that the HTC s730's keyboard is not comfortable -- can someone that uses it give me a heads up on how comfortable/good it is? Is the WM Smartphone's UI annoying? - i've been using pocket pc for a long time & I just want to know if its difficult to switch to a standard smartphone like the HTC s730? Thanks in advance for your feedback & comments - they are all much appreciated
Hmmm i havent tried yhe Tytn so i cant compare the two phones. But i had a Touch before i bought my S730 and i must that it was a step in the right direction text-typing-wise... The s730 is not as good to type on as an Nokia Communicator (imo the best phone for typing), but it's pretty good. And its great to have two options for typing : numeric with T9 and the qwerty inside...
About the smartphone ui....Grrrrrr it is a little bit annoying.. I hate that the settings are so locked. You have far few options in the settings compared to the PPC interface. But then on the other hand there are some features that works better on the smartphone than on the PDA.
All in all i am a very happy little piggy with my S730. I would not trade it for any other phone on the market.
Noura said:
Can someone please help me decide between the HTC Tytn II OR the HTC S730? I am a heavy texter, sometimes check email, and want a fast phone. I'm worried that the HTC s730's keyboard is not comfortable -- can someone that uses it give me a heads up on how comfortable/good it is? Is the WM Smartphone's UI annoying? - i've been using pocket pc for a long time & I just want to know if its difficult to switch to a standard smartphone like the HTC s730? Thanks in advance for your feedback & comments - they are all much appreciated
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I am also pretty happy with the S730... i used to have a vox and a wizard i must say I keep going to press the screen on the s730 because i was used to ppc but im sure it wont take long for me to get used to it..
one thing battery for me at least seems to be an issue.. fully charged at 7am this morning I had 1 bar left by 11am... Martin is your battery life the same?
the keyboard on the s730 is excellent very good i am already beginning to become a gun on it.. as for the kaiser my friend has one they are way too big for me i guess you need to ask yourself do you want a phone with pda features or a pda with phone features?
Brisbane_guy : I have not expirenced such lousy battery time as you describe. My battery last for about 2 days and i dont turn it off at night. So about 48 hours. But i have disabled BT and WIFI most of the time...
Many thanks Martin & Brisbane for your feedback I'm going to buy the s730 based on your positive feedback
Noura said:
Many thanks Martin & Brisbane for your feedback I'm going to buy the s730 based on your positive feedback
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You really should consider the Asus P750. It's only 130g, has 3g, gps (sirf3), wlan, bt2.0, touchscreen, WM6 Prof, 520MHz ARM, 256MB flash and 64MB ram.
On Modaco someone called it the kaiser killer.
jockyw2001 said:
You really should consider the Asus P750. It's only 130g, has 3g, gps (sirf3), wlan, bt2.0, touchscreen, WM6 Prof, 520MHz ARM, 256MB flash and 64MB ram.
On Modaco someone called it the kaiser killer.
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Hi Jocky thanks for the info - however I'm a qwerty keyboard lover and absolutely cannot live without one --- any ideas on a small phone with a qwerty keyboard that has strong specs, please let me know many thanks
Hi,
Accidently my O2 XDA is broken, Now I want to go for another windows Mobile .Please help me, which one should i go for.
Which is the best Windows Mobile, within the normal range.
Thanx
vprince said:
Hi,
Accidently my O2 XDA is broken, Now I want to go for another windows Mobile .Please help me, which one should i go for.
Which is the best Windows Mobile, within the normal range.
Thanx
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I think my SPV M5000 is excellent - I'd go for that
vprince said:
Hi,
Accidently my O2 XDA is broken, Now I want to go for another windows Mobile .Please help me, which one should i go for.
Which is the best Windows Mobile, within the normal range.
Thanx
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I would say definetly another UNI!!!
But if you want to try something different: Toshiba Protegé g920, just google it
orb3000 said:
I would say definetly another UNI!!!
But if you want to try something different: Toshiba Protegé g920, just google it
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I think it is currently only device that could replace Uni all thogh it has not much improvement compare to Uni.
Here some pictures: http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=18972
it seams it is already available in Malaysia and it cost ca. 880USD
Bulldog said:
I think it is currently only device that could replace Uni all thogh it has not much improvement compare to Uni.
Here some pictures: http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=18972
it seams it is already available in Malaysia and it cost ca. 880USD
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thanx BullDog,
I have gone thru the pics and the specs it sounds so cute and better ,I have only problem it is not available in India.......If anybody can help me in shipping it to India ,I am ready to pay the ammount.
This one is better than UNI
try this one
http://www.gottabemobile.com/Willcoms+D4+MID+Running+Vista.aspx
This one is better than UNI
try this one
http://www.gottabemobile.com/Willcoms+D4+MID+Running+Vista.aspx
http://www.oqo.com/intl/
vprince said:
thanx BullDog,
I have gone thru the pics and the specs it sounds so cute and better ,I have only problem it is not available in India.......If anybody can help me in shipping it to India ,I am ready to pay the ammount.
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Sorry vprince, I cant help you there as I am not from Malaysia.
Anyhow I suggest you investigate further usability of this device. I still have one Big question in my mind about this device: As the screen cant be twisted and the external screen is to small or not able to show contacts HOW TO MAKE Phone calls from contacts?????
Bulldog said:
Sorry vprince, I cant help you there as I am not from Malaysia.
Anyhow I suggest you investigate further usability of this device. I still have one Big question in my mind about this device: As the screen cant be twisted and the external screen is to small or not able to show contacts HOW TO MAKE Phone calls from contacts?????
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thanx for ur reply
The Toshiba's have consistantly bad reviews and the advice at Modaco seems to be to avoid them at all costs!
I use an Athena now but do mus my Universal... There is nothing similar available.
Unexpectedly I had to change thread name and thread is closed
.....
50 mb program memory... ?
How come so big program memory, nobody till date got so high program memory. Is this for real???
Edit: Though i extremely hope, it is real.
can't wait to try your....
br
Uploading shortly...........
Hello,
Ya its true.
I am shortly uploading it. Here I have a very slow internet! Thats is the problem............
Be cool till I upload it
Thanks
how is it true, can you explain??
i mean we have only 64 mb of ram in our devices.
Do not know
samy.3660 said:
how is it true, can you explain??
i mean we have only 64 mb of ram in our devices.
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Do not know. I simply cooked the ROM with some best app. And also compressed the app.
But its amazing that it shows 50 mb memory
Also its very fast like real htc touch diamond......
I am trying to upload but cannot. I have a vey slow internet ( I mean 56k ). It is very costly connection also...............The file size 48.5 mb.
I will pull out my old Wizard for this one.
Patiently waiting.
ksrikanth said:
Do not know. I simply cooked the ROM with some best app. And also compressed the app.
But its amazing that it shows 50 mb memory
Also its very fast like real htc touch diamond......
I am trying to upload but cannot. I have a vey slow internet ( I mean 56k ). It is very costly connection also...............The file size 48.5 mb.
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wish i could somehow help you upload it...too bad...hope you do succeed in uploading it soon...all the best!
Nothing yet
Hope you get it uploaded so we can give it a try.......
Killed my Wizard
O MY GOD I killed my wizard
My htc wizard is not booting!
Black screen when I press on the power button. No response.......
I was flashing my ROM for testing. It hanged at 30% ( I waited for 30 min ).
When I pressed on the power button, there was no response or no 3 color display.
I killed my wizard.....
Please close this thread
Hello,
Kindly please close this thread.....................
I cannot upload the file. Due to killing my wizard
I am very sorry guys....
I had the same thing happen to me when i flashed to the 3.1 Diamond Rom, it hung at 88% for an hour. so i unplugged the phone, booted into bootloader, and then loaded the TMo stock rom and then tried diamond again and it worked fine.
have you tried going directly into bootloader mode and then flashing from there? It should work no problems...
ksrikanth said:
Hello,
Kindly please close this thread.....................
I cannot upload the file. Due to killing my wizard
I am very sorry guys....
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Dude, i knew it, it is not at all possible to make 50 mb ram rom for wizard?? Anyway you made lot of people fool.
My wizard is back!!!!!!
Hello,
My wizard became correct. When I was powering on I got a 3 colored sceen and I flashed to diamond clean ROM. Today is my lucky day
Now it is good and working fine.
Sorry for all guys for giving trouble
Thanking you
waiting!!!!Bro
What do you mean
mrtne said:
waiting!!!!Bro
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Hello,
What do you mean?
CR86 True Diamond Editon ROM was no currect so I deleted. This rom was killed my Wizard!!
Thanks
Does this mean the Thread's title can be changed again?
And did you find out which part of the Sys port you tried caused the Memory issue
Or was it XIP.
I personally believe there is no shame in mistakes.
If there's one thing that XDA has stood for from day one.
It is to take stuff apart and see how it works.
Then adding and taking out stuff that can prove or disprove a theory.
Eventually it's mistakes that we're looking for.
If you find out what caused this behavior it could be of great benefit to others trying to cook their own rom.
I am build a new ROM plz help.
It is hanging at 3rd splash screen.
TNT XIP_5.2.20273_for_Wizard
TNT SYS_5.2.20273
itChenROM_OCTAIVOI_WM6.1_Core_19716_v6.3_with_ExtROM_PP6MB
Plz read my first post.
download and install this app from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507212
soft reset, and on settings<system you will see Processor icon
it slow down the processor if it is not used, on my UNI down to 19Mhz, charged my UNI to 100% few hours ago, it is still at 100% with Phone turned on.
usually now it would be 85-86%
some users say after working whole day on it to have 60% instead of 10%
post some feedback
Thanks for sharing
Let´s test it...
Just curious... would over or under clocking have any adverse effects on hardware?
Guy's,
You must not install it in Uni, as it has a different (PXA2XX) processor.
Trying it on this device may cause a HW damage!!
tomal said:
Guy's,
You must not install it in Uni, as it has a different (PXA2XX) processor.
Trying it on this device may cause a HW damage!!
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Oh, OK tomal, if you say it I believe it.
tomal said:
Guy's,
You must not install it in Uni, as it has a different (PXA2XX) processor.
Trying it on this device may cause a HW damage!!
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it worked. but tnx for your quick trchnical advice. uninstalling....
tomal said:
Guy's,
You must not install it in Uni, as it has a different (PXA2XX) processor.
Trying it on this device may cause a HW damage!!
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Weren't you a bit late? I installed it! Luckily no harm sustained. It didn't work though as processor was of unknown type for this application.
I hope orb3000 is safe, he was earlier than me here.
oqaab said:
tomal said:
Guy's ,
You must not install it in Uni, as it has a different (PXA2XX) processor.[/SIZE ]
[COLOR=red ]Trying it on this device may cause a HW damage!![/COLOR][ /QUOTE]
Weren't you a bit late? I installed it! Luckily no harm sustained. It didn't work though as processor was of unknown type for this application.
I hope orb3000 is safe, he was earlier than me here.
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Thanks for your concern oqaab
For some stange reason after typing my message on this thread power on my neighbourhood was down for several hours, so I couldnt even download from here to test! Coincidence.......
Damir please be carefull with the stuff you share for others
Without Tomal´s on time intervention a lot of people could damaged their Uni
Nex time please consult an expert before!!!
p.d Please remoe your link for safe
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orb3000 said:
oqaab said:
Thanks for your concern oqaab
For some stange reason after typing my message on this thread power on my neighbourhood was dow for several hours, so I couldnt even download from here to test!
Damir please be carefull with the stuff you share for others
Without Tomal´s on time intervention a lot of people could damaged their Uni
Please consult the expert before!!!
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OK, I will.
btw I had this application installed for 2 days and it was working properly, no freezing etc.
but for safety reasons uninstalled it after i read Tomal's post
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damir-bosna said:
OK, I will.
btw I had this application installed for 2 days and it was working properly, no freezing etc.
but for safety reasons uninstalled it after i read Tomal's post
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Tomal said 'it may' and not 'it will' so luckly we are safe. But it never worked for me. I mean it installed and opened correctly but processor was never under clocked, it showed fluctuations between 400 and 500 MHz all the time. Never being stable at 19 MHz.
My question remains unanswered... 'does over or under clocking causes any trouble in the long run'? As in the case of Desktop PCs over clocking heats the processor and prolonged use destroys it.
oqaab said:
Tomal said 'it may' and not 'it will' so luckly we are safe. But it never worked for me. I mean it installed and opened correctly but processor was never under clocked, it showed fluctuations between 400 and 500 MHz all the time. Never being stable at 19 MHz.
My question remains unanswered... 'does over or under clocking causes any trouble in the long run'? As in the case of Desktop PCs over clocking heats the processor and prolonged use destroys it.
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OK, I'M JUST GLAD THAT NOBODY BRICKED THER DEVICE.
i am not sure, but under-over clocking could maybe cause problem even on ppc
oqaab said:
Tomal said 'it may' and not 'it will' so luckly we are safe. But it never worked for me. I mean it installed and opened correctly but processor was never under clocked, it showed fluctuations between 400 and 500 MHz all the time. Never being stable at 19 MHz.
My question remains unanswered... 'does over or under clocking causes any trouble in the long run'? As in the case of Desktop PCs over clocking heats the processor and prolonged use destroys it.
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One more interested on the answer to your question
In all my flashing-life I never used my Uni processor on 624Mhz, always at normal speed because I don´t know the side efects
hi gurus
so i believe battery draining problem is NOT solved yet
if it is how, on my uni it only 6 % and BEEPS
please help
kind regards
gugi_sat said:
hi gurus
so i believe battery draining problem is NOT solved yet
if it is how, on my uni it only 6 % and BEEPS
please help
kind regards
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Well
You are lucky! mine turns off in 16%
Considering it´s my original battery snince Aug 2005 I can´t complain
Buying a new one is the best option