I Don't Get It (Manila Version) - General Questions and Answers

I keep seeing add-ons, upgrades, themes, and so on for Manila. Lots, hell MOST, of them have warnings about version 2.0 or 2.1.
So how does one find out what version is on their device?
I have seen go to TouchFlo in Settings and use the About menu.
Mine says 3.0.
Huh? A few weeks back someone was posting incredulous messages about Manila being all the way up to 2.5 or 2.6! So I doubt that Settings|TouchFlo|About is the way to go.
Other people say go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo itself and scroll to the bottom. Mine says 1.2.35097.1_1813.6.
Um, OK..... Neither 2.0, 2.1, 3.0.
So just how DOES one find out what version of Manila is on their device?
Yes, I realize this will likely never get a straight response. Not blue-sky or skunkworks enough.
Just thought I'd ask.
By the by, I used the manilla file editor to grab some transparent flip clock images and put the call history, calendar, AM and PM icons (that were missing) in them. And have done software development, including development for handheld devices, for more than three decades, so no need to just assume I am a complete naif.

There are 2 kinds of manila.
Manila3D and Manila2D.
I am not looking at the numbers right now but i can tell you this much: QVGA devices(Tilt, vogue, 8525, etc.) use 2D and VGA devices(Diamond, touch pro, fuze, x1, etc.) use 3D.
There are only a few version of touchflo3D, i believe they are variations of 1.0, then 2.1(2?), and 2.5
Everything else is Manila2D, which goes from (sept 08) 0.11 all the way to (aug 09) ver 2.0
When you went into start>settings>system>touchflo you weren't looking at the Manila version, but the touchflo scrolling version. This is irrelevant.
Looking at the information you've posted, you have a touch pro running the original TF3D 1.0. (1.2)

Thanks, sirgatory.
Next n00b question. Two really:
Can manila (on my TP CDMA) be upraded to 2.X?
Where can I get the uprade (and the FM for it)?

Yes it can, however the easiest way is to flash a cooked ROM from ppcgeeks.com, as they deal with CDMA touch pros more than xda does. I'm not sure how to go about using a CAB file to update it.
But beware if you've never flashed a ROM before, you should read up on the process, especially for CDMA phones.

`You don't want to use a CAB. First of all, TF3D1 is integrated into your OS so much, if you take it out (which you'd have to do manually, thousands of manila files), it will mess up a lot of your OS. Installing it on top of your current manila might cause other errors.
Only way to do it properly, is by flashing a ROM with TF3D2 - there's many of them around.

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TouchFLO Questions

Good afternoon gang,
I have a few questions about TouchFLO.
I have a HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125). I have only flashed it once for the latest Cingular update. It is an unlocked device. I use it on the Rogers GSM network here in Canada.
Anyhow. I am curious about trying out the TouchFLO but I am not too sure if I want to flash my device just yet.
Is it possible to install any of the TouchFLO capabilities into the ARM Device Emulator?
I develop Windows Mobile applications as a day job but I've never had to deal with ROMs as we setup our apps to run on default factory devices.
We use Device Emulator heavily in our development however I have not seen a way to emulate flashing one.
The emulator boots .bin files.
Also addition questions.
Does the HTC Wizard require WM6 to run TouchFLO? I am pretty happy with my device right now and I see lots of forum posts about many SMS and call/radio issues with WM6 ROMS etc so all of these issues doesn't make it look like its a simple flash & works great kind of situation.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated
Thanks and take care.
Hey. I use and unlocked cingular 8125 with rogers. My phone is a G4 CID locked device. I have the latest rom by ovtaivoi which is a WM6 professional with touchflo software in it. i use the faria 2.69 radio rom and i have had no problems with sms or calls so far. i really love the touchflo software and its pretty sweet. as for your questions, I am not sure what you are talking about the emulator program, honestly. is it something you use on the computer to emulate and see how wm6 would look like? all the upgrade packages come with a .nbf file which is the main data file. if you are able to unpack it and repack it to a .bin file, you may be able to do what you want, but dont quote me on this as i'm still not sure as to what exactly you wanted to do. As far as if touch flow will work only on WM6, I cant say much about that either as i have only used it WM6. WM6 has a better graphics base when compared to WM5 and so i think touch flow would work better with WM6 but I don't think its limited to it.
What I would suggest is to flash the phone with the latest rom. Trust me, its worth it. All the work and skill that the developers have put into these roms really show itself in these roms. Make sure you read enough in this forum before you flash though. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Good luck.
Thanks for the reply!
I learned a lot about my device going through that procedure. It was SIM unlocked but not CID unlocked.
I went through everything and now have WM6 installed using the latest NBD ROM however I am finding the TouchFLO driver buggy. I cannot use my finger to press the "x" icon any more. Sometimes I press it and the start menu appears. Something is up with this touch driver in that release I think.
Also TouchFLO scrolling gestures don't work very reliable and it scrolls way too much.
Is this the case with all TouchFLO ROMs or is each ROM modifying touch capabilities and perhaps one ROM works better than the next?
Also is there a version of the HTC Home with that digital clock with a font about half the size so I can have a few more today screen plugins visible? I like it however its a bit too large.
Thanks and take care.
hi pls let me know the link to download it.
mail me at [email protected]

[2/16/09] Microlab's WM6.1 IOLITE BLUE v.16 Manila TF2D (See its interface slideshow)

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UPDATE Feb 16, 2009: ADDED: Photo Gallery View, a slideshow of this ROM's interface, 50-slides showing this interface in action. (Part 2 will be added with 38 more interface slides)
Go to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483294
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UPDATE Feb 9, 2009: v .16 released in Blue, looks nice. ROM Author: Microlab @ PDAviet.net
(Manila TouchFLO 2D) Blue HERALD_WWE_6.1.405.16.B -- BUILD 20765-1.4.4.PV
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
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Thread at PDAViet Site. (Download ROM)
IMPORTANT INSTALLATION NOTE !
After flashing to this ROM, follow the usual advice of doing a hard reset.
Then:
YOU NEED TO INSTALL THE DATA/ SMS/ MMS SETTINGS:
If you are a T-Mobile user, download and install this Network Wizard cab file.
You MUST do this, or you will not get an internet connection, and you will not be able to text-message.
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Rom Author's Note: (Microlab at PDAviet)
Theo yêu cầu của 1 số bạn,mình làm bản v16.B với giao diện Blue.
Mọi tính năng OS và Build được kế thừa hoàn toàn bản v16.
GOOGLE TRANSLATED: As requested by you No. 1, you do the v16.B with the Blue. All features and OS Build inherit the whole of v16.
Build: the Full XIP & SYS from ROM Ship for QVGA HTC's line Iolite (Touch Cruise of 2009) is not higher than 20xxx.
-Opal_Enlarged Start Menu, plus, finger-friendly LARGER Windows BOTTOM Menus
-Opal_Audio_Manager (Blue).
-Opal_HTC_Album.
-Opal_TaskManager_2_1_34837_3.
-Opal_Fullscreen_Player_1_05_080821_0.
-Opal_Dialer_PhoneCanvas(trượt để trả lời hoặc từ chối cuộc gọi).
-Opal_LargeTitleBar
-Opal_Volume_Control.
-Opal_TouchFlo.
-Opal_YouTube.
-Opal_CommManager_v2.7.1.8.
-.NET Compact Framework 3.5.7283.0.
-PowerOff_PPC.
-S2V-0_42.
-Keyboad Default_Skin (White).
-Spb_Calculator_Skin (White).
-S2U2-1_18.
-SoftReset_PPC.
-ClearTemp.
-PPCPimBackup v2.8.
-PHM Registry Editor v0.70.
-Sim Manager 6.57.
-Oxios Hibernate v1.40.
PagePool=6 Mb.
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UPDATE Feb 7, 2009: V6.1.405.16 - Fixed broken "Download" link, immediately below.
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UPDATE Feb 6, 2009: Microlab's New ROM Release version, in Burgundy Red, updated from V6.1.405.15, to V6.1.405.16 (Download) (Note: Version .15, the original ROM posted to this thread on 1/26/09 is a "Deep Sea Blue")
For specs and installation information, you will have to visit Microlab's thread at PDAviet.net (requires registration)
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Prior Version History
1/26/09 -- WM6.1 V6.1.405.15 [DEEP SEA BLUE] Microlab's TouchFLO Manila 2D -- available from PDAViet.net here; and following those links, you will come to its download location.
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COMING SOON: I shot video of the entire installation process from my previous ROM, ttrans Open Touch v 6.5, to downloading Microlab's version .15, to installing it -- as a helpful guide to new users. As soon as I edit it, i will post to YouTube and link here. ... [UPDATE 2/1/09] [I also shot video of switching from this rom to thanhy25's "Deep Sea Blue" ROM, to discover differences.] .... [UPDATE 2/6/09] [ I am shooting video of flashing now to version .16 ... the shooting's easy, it's the editing down to short length that takes too much time that I don't have right now.
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Manila 2D Specs and Build # / ROM AUTHOR: Microlab071966 (TP.Hà nội)
ROM HERALD_WWE_6.1.405.15_BUILD 21109-5.0.0.PV(Manila2D)
by Microlab071966 (TP.Hà nội)
For specs you must go to the PDAviet.net site, as directed by Sid_dominic56
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My post has grammatical errors.lol.
You did nothing wrong. The thing is that the rom you flashed does not have the Splash Scree(boot up screen),that is why it displays the old splash screen. Nothing to worry,you can have any splash screen.
oh, excellent, thank you!
that explains it! ... I tried several times thnking i screwed up.
this is such a great ROM. i feel like I finally have a phone that just WORKS right out the gate. i may not even install ifonz now.
but for sure i will install icontact, i already installed pcm keyboard, which i find essential for finger usage.
thank you.
cool man thnx
quicksite said:
Most of you know that PDAVIET, longtime member of XDA, withdrew postings of his newer ROMS here because, as stated on this final thread, posted by Sid_dominic56 :
Many Wing users here DO appreciate PDAViet's excellent ROMS; as can be seen in this December 28, 2008 XDA discussion: PDAVIET-ROM BUILD 20764.1.4.3.PV or Open Touch 7.7 . And since Sid dominic points us to the current versions, and all of these ROM discussions at XDA are outdated, it seems useful to have a thread to share installation & implementation issues of these Herald/Wing ROMS.
For those interested, the latest ROM is available from PDAViet.net here; and following those links, you will come to its download location.
My Question: The last ROM I had on my WING was ttrans Open Touch 6.5 .. but I flashed to this new TouchFLO 2D tonight. It works beautifully, but I am not sure what I did wrong in the installation process. When I soft-reset, the first splash-page I get is from the older ttrans ROM, but then it proceeds to load up TouchFLO 2D WM6.1 V6.1.405.15 just fine. What does this indicate? And do I need to start over again?
P.S. -- I shot video of this entire installation process from previous ROM, to downloading new one, to installing -- as a helpful guide to new users. As soon as I edit it, i will post to YouTube and link here.
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Yeah I had the same problem. Fortunately I'd already read your comment so I wasn't alarmed when it happened. So far so good. Seems to move a lil more faster than the last.
Oh yeah....
I did notice that the "voice recorder" app won't open up. I really need that cause I make music and also write and sometimes when I get an idea and don't have something to write with I just say or hum it in the voice recorder, so it would be REALLY nice if there was a fix for that. Thanks.
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Re: Hi, I have question re PDAViet TF2D Rom; I see you run it
I think this should be okay to share since XDA is about leveraging knowledge. I asked an active user of PDAViet's TouchFLO 2D if he thought it would be a good choice for me for my desire to run ifonz app launcher. His reply indicates no... since it is not a lite rom.
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Re: Hi, I have question re PDAViet TF2D Rom; I see you run it
The PDA-Viet rom I was using was the second version from the thread opened by sid_domonic56. The thread is now closed, but you should still be able to get the rom and I also believe someone else opened a thread with one that was more updated, but I could be wrong. I would not recommend the Pda-Viet rom if you are using the ifonez theme. It is not a lite rom, even though the memory specs are pretty nice. I am unsure if you could load two good sized today programs on the phone, unless you can run ifonez from your sd card. I've never used it so I am not sure how that program works. My recommendation would be to stay with 6.5 lite, as I believe 7.7 has too many bugs and memory drain issues. Otherwise, I would look into Ivan's just 2 clean rom as it about as stripped down as you can get and should run pretty fast. Hope this helps.
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So, has Ivan's just2clean been updated lately, to move to newer builds of the OS?
Also, though I understand ttrans' OT v 7.7 is still buggy, i have heard you and others rec his v 7.4... which I believe is a lite rom. So, is 7.4 a lighter or higher performing rom than OT 6.5?
quicksite said:
i have not yet explored the whole rom, but i am findit without a lot of memory to open up more than 1, maybe 2, apps at a time. this was the basic problem with the stock t-mobile rom... almost useless for rapid switching between open apps.
would you consider trying this other similar rom for COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, to see if voice recorder works, etc?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469522
also it would be great if we could get pureskillz to BENCHMARK TEST these 2 roms, and compare to the field of more established roms here at xda.
I am pretty sure i want to run ifonz vs Today screen or other nav scheme, and that means I need a LITE version of a ROM, but hopefully a contemporary version with a newer build... so i can then a la carte add apps -- such as dumping audio manager for Nitrogen, Thumbcal for windows calendar, iContact for windows contact mgr, opera mini vs clunky IE, etc.
So, for me if i had a fast windows shell that looked like this, but very stripped down re built in apps, that 's what i need.
Also, can someone define for me very specifically: what is "manila", what is TouchFLO 2D VS 3D, and how do they relate, if they do at all.
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I'll try it perhaps when I get home tomorrow and let you know if I notice any differences between the 2.
This is a great ROM.
I flashed it yesterday and I really like it. Fast, stable and very intuitive.
Just a question:
Who is the cute kid on the lock screen??
cant establish data connection...
...this is a great ROM pretty fast have not come across any bugs yet I have only one question how do I set up my data connection I got used to the "connections wizard" on other ROMs.
What carrier are you using?
If you're using t-mobile, just go to Start > Settings > Connections > Add A New Modem Connection
Name: T-Mobile Data
Cellular Line (GPRS)
Access Point Name: wap.voicestream,com
Or internet2.voicestream.com
user name password and domain leave black unless you have a login.And you're done!
quicksite said:
i have not yet explored the whole rom, but i am findit without a lot of memory to open up more than 1, maybe 2, apps at a time. this was the basic problem with the stock t-mobile rom... almost useless for rapid switching between open apps.
would you consider trying this other similar rom for COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, to see if voice recorder works, etc?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469522
also it would be great if we could get pureskillz to BENCHMARK TEST these 2 roms, and compare to the field of more established roms here at xda.
I am pretty sure i want to run ifonz vs Today screen or other nav scheme, and that means I need a LITE version of a ROM, but hopefully a contemporary version with a newer build... so i can then a la carte add apps -- such as dumping audio manager for Nitrogen, Thumbcal for windows calendar, iContact for windows contact mgr, opera mini vs clunky IE, etc.
So, for me if i had a fast windows shell that looked like this, but very stripped down re built in apps, that's what i need.
Also, can someone define for me very specifically: what is "manila", what is TouchFLO 2D VS 3D, and how do they relate, if they do at all.
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Okay, this rom seems to be fine. The VR works on it also. Thanks. I'm also going to try out some of these games on that link you provided, thanks again.
arucard98 said:
What carrier are you using?
If you're using t-mobile, just go to Start > Settings > Connections > Add A New Modem Connection
Name: T-Mobile Data
Cellular Line (GPRS)
Access Point Name: wap.voicestream,com
Or internet2.voicestream.com
user name password and domain leave black unless you have a login.And you're done!
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Thanks Arucard worked just fine!
BigREDD said:
Thanks Arucard worked just fine!
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you can find similiar instructions in the Herald Wiki...
The author of this particular PDAViet Rom is: Microlab071966
... whose profile, at PDAviet.net, says further: TP.Hà nội
I am going to guess this is someone's initials TP, from the city Ha noi, in northern Vietnam -- an absolutely beautiful city... and right now is the season of TET, the Vietnamese New Year! (btw, the ROM's timezone is initially set to Hanoi, Vietnam ... )
retepger said:
This is a great ROM.
Just a question:
Who is the cute kid on the lock screen??
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I'm guessing that's "PDAViet"'s child. But when I was exploring his site the other day to find this ROM, I realized that this particular ROM seems to be from a different developer who also "cooks" at PDAviet.net.
The Rom that many XDAers have downloaded previously from XDA's "PDAVIET", is, I believe, from the author named: PhamQuang HERALD WM6.1 ROM V24 - Build 19214.1.0.4
But the ROM that I have linked to here is posted by user named Microlab071966 ROM HERALD_WWE_6.1.405.15_BUILD 21109-5.0.0.PV(Manila2D)
The only person who can answer this question is ... XDA's "sid_dominic56".
Deconstructing: I have some questions about "what is what" on this ROM
retepger said:
This is a great ROM.
I flashed it yesterday and I really like it. Fast, stable and very intuitive.
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My initial intention is trying this ROM was because I wanted a faster, newer ROM as my basic Windows OS, that I would then install on top of that, ifonz interface.
I did not know, until I installed the ROM, that it comes with a very nice finger-browseable User Interface and application launcher. I would like for someone to deconstruct the components of this ROM so I can finally understand which pieces come from WindowsOS, which pieces come from HTC, and which aspects are coded or optimized by "chef".
Most users here know all of this already, as basic knowledge. I don't.
1. What is "manila"? Is manila the user-interface style of the finger-friendly icons that navigate programs, contacts, messages, internet, settings, etc? If not, what is it exactly? And can it be added, with separate cab, to other ROMS, replacing another ROM's look & feel?
2. What is TouchFLO 2D ? Is this the software that enables users to scroll with fingers up & down, and right and left? If so, was this developed by HTC, or has any version of Windows Mobile ever come with that capability? Similarly, can TouchFLO 2D be added to another ROM as a separate installation (if it is not cooked into the existing ROM)?
3. What is TouchFLO 3d? Is that related to the HTC "cube" interface? can someone give me a link to a screenshot or video example? AND: Is this correct? That 2D would be less processor-demanding than 3D, or is that unrelated?
4. The application & utility components that are listed as being cooked inot this ROM have the prefix name "Opal" ... What does this mean? Is this the name of an HTC device? Is is the name of HTC interface elements?
5. Finally, when people speak about "clean Builds", what are these, and how are they obtained? I am guessing they are latest versions of the Windows Mobile OS, but is that right, or not? It always seems like people are searching for ROMS with the newest build. That makes sense. Isn't that part of why people like this PDAVIET ROM ?
6. Finally, my reason for trying to understand these pieces or layers is because I have 2 paths I could go down: (1) Give up the whole idea of using the ifonz interface & application launcher, instead using this ROM's built-in navigation scheme (manila??), or (2) Go to a stripped down ROM, like Just2Clean, install iFonz onto it, and build, a la carte my whole customized user-experience for how I like to access various applications and settings and phone #s & pictures.
My decision is about 50% optimal usability, and 50% multi-application performance. As great as these HTC phones are, 9 times out of 10 when the phone rings, just getting the phone out of my pocket and answering without some kind of accidental touch screen or hard button action is a miracle. I'm a power user for web browsing, google maps & GPS, video & images, youtube, etc, so I have no problem using THAT stuff, but it's always the basic PHONE issues that are problematic.
I would love even partial answers here, number by number, so I can properly evaluate whether this ROM is right for me. As I said, it was sluggish multitasking with browser open, contacts open, total commander open, and notes open, and mp3 player running -- but thats what i need "always on". So maybe I need a ROM with less stuff built in, so I can use my preferred apps. For example, I don't ever want to even LOOK at WMP. Audio Manager was my preferred MP3player, until Nitrogen came out. And, for example, this ROM has WMP and Audio Manager cooked in.
I am currently using Open Touch 6.5, and am thinking of switching to PDAviet's rom. I am anxiously awaiting your video, as I don't want to mess up the flash.
As soon as you put it up, I'll flash it. Thanks quicksite.

What is The Big Deal with WM6.5 ?

I have recently seen alot of ROMS for WM6.5 and they all look the same from the screenshots.... ugly!
I mean what is with all the HUGE text listed down the screen, am I the only one who thinks this is a stupid setup? What happened to the Start Menu and clean today setup?
Are people just updating to WM6.5 just 'cos its 6.5, or do you actually like the look of it? Please give your opinions on WM6.5, and more importantly what is the difference between WM6?
I am using WM6.1 on 2 of my devices as I like the Today Screen feel and the way everything is set out. I am contemplating putting 6.5 on a device just to test it out, is it really worth it? is it customizable to make the home screen not just BIG words down the screen? maybe a clock even lol.
thanks everyone for your opinions.
i think it looks great.
As long as you have good apps installed to cover nasty WM UI no matter if you have 6.1 or 6.5
I personally do not like the honeycomb, but I do like that the hole UI is more finger friendly
Let´s see the WM7!! hope they really impress us
I like it because its 6.5 that .4 of more awesome 1337ness!!!! lol.. I actually just like the better slightly larger menu buttons. the new start menu is neither here nor there for me.. I don't like titanium, it has potential, but till you can have more than one link on click per panel it is pretty lame to me.. seems to take more effort to get to my necessary apps with it than without it.. I have been using wad2 on my last few flashes. My device is i910 Omnia, with the BlazingWolf 7.1 rom.
On my observation, the main advantages of WM6.5 over WM6.1 are:
RAM Managemenet: In WM6.5 I never need to run the apps to clear RAM. Any time I quit a program, the RAM will be released imediately.
Power Consumption Controll: The battery life is noticably enlonged copare using WM6.1, on same load.
Connectivity: One example is on WM6.1 any time I'm using Internet Sharing I need to manually switch phone band to WCDMA to ensure stable fast data connection. And if I forget to switch it back to GSM or Auto after finished the Internet Sharing, phone calls on 3G mode will drain the battery very fast. But on WM6.5, I noticed that I don't need to switch phone band again, just leave it as Auto. The OS is so smart that it knows what time to switch to what band. Example, when I use internet sharing, it will stay at 3G for most of the time. When I make or receive a phone call, it will switch to GSM immediately after the phone connected.
Finger Touch Experience For this I don't explain more, it's just much more comfortable on finger/stylus responds.
Third Party Apps Interface: Well I'm not a developer, but from the changes on some registry structure, I can definitely tell that WM65 will be more friendly to third party application developers.
These are very core elements of a mobile os. The progress of wm65 on these points is obviously noticable.
But because the change of the core. It causes a big problem on legacy apps compatibility. People find that a lot of apps running well on wm6 just can never run on wm65.
But I think currently both Microsoft and third party software vendors are working tight on this issue. At least for most part of popular softwares, we can find a wm65 compatible version now. But for some speciall software, we can not find it if the developer did not upgrade it.
For sure, there are certain advantages of using 6.5 over 6.1. (The advantage is not only 'skin' things that you can see it, more important is on the 'core'.)
Hence your choice just depend on what softwares you're using. If for all your 'must-have' softwares you can find a WM6.5 compatible version or its replacement, why not use WM6.5.
Edit: I don't like the Titanium & the headache to customize it either. I just disabled it & leave an 'empty today', but with HButton, I can reach all frequently used apps within one single touch.
The RAM used by Titanium is 3.5MB+, compares to HTC Home @1.5MB+, & M2D @ 7MB+.
I like the looking of Honeucomb,(for showup only), but I also use QuickMenu, which is more functional.
Must to say that above experience are from the single ROM I've used only, maybe there are performance variaties on different ROMs & devices.
And at last, one of my most favarite part is the new PIE, it definitely can display whatever a desktop ie does except only one tab allowed.
I like 6.5. I find it runs pretty well on the kaiser, and I prefer its look to the old Windows 3.x interface found in the older versions. Plus, the finger scrolling is superb. And if you don't like the honeycomb, there are other start menu layouts, one example here. WM6.5 is just a band-aid to hold us over until WM7, but it's still a step in the right direction for Microsoft.
Dave
Yes, I think i will be waiting for wm7, but i just can't help myself any longer and I am going to take the plunge to wm6.5 on my Elfin or Wizard just to give it a go, I think it should run well on the elin with the RAM it has and without really checking out the custmizations, my assumptions is basically on the interface on standard screenshots i have seen.
thanks for the input guys, only a flash will i be able to add further opinions, as i am a heaver modder, and would need this to offer proper insight into the OS.
I've bounced back and forth between a couple 6.1 and 6.5 ROMs. I use TouchFLo because I hate 6.1's today screen and Titanium is pretty bland. I think that the current touchflo manila 2.1 is about the best you can get for WM6.1 currently, but I don't think manila 2.1 is streamlined for WM6.5. I feel like I'm taking a step back in integration and fluidness when I use Touchflo 2.1 and WM6.5. Not much, but it just seems off. This leads me to think that the new manila 2.5 is HTC's update to bring that integration and fluidness to WM6.5. The specualtion is that manila 2.5 is going to be for the new Firestone. While that is probably true, HTC has also mentioned that the new Topaz and Rhodium will get WM 6.5 upgrades. I would like to assume that this upgrade will also include manila 2.5 because if I feel that WM6.5 and TouchFlo 2.1 is lacking a complete feel then I would take that HTC has also noticed this. Yeah, I'm rambling I know. Just my thoughts. Bottom line on WM6.5 is that it seems like Microsoft just made a piss poor attempt at skinning there relic OS. That just pertains to the aesthetics though. I know there were unseen changes that do have their benefits.
(Sorry for all the "I feel and I would assumes", just ponderings)

Cube Browsing

Hi Guys,
Just a quick question i hope.
Can i install a program which makes my HTC Wizard's menues behave like a cube where you can scroll it around from face to face to reveal different menu options ETC?
I've seen this feature on several mobile phones and i was wondering if i could get it on my Mob.
Tom
Sure it can !
But, you should ask some more experienced users and they can post for you download link of best rom with cube in it.
Cheers !
can anyone help with this i currently have CR96 latest rom, it has the honeycomb start menu but just has a scroll today screen' i just want a cube style browsing interface' can i change settings or do i need a different rom? any help would be appreciated.
If you are looking for the cube interface that was on the HTC Touch (I think it was first seen there)...there are a couple versions people have made here on XDA. These are the ones I remember trying back in the days:
HTC Cube Clone SCLPF (Flash-based)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
HTC Cube OpenGL SCLPC+ (C++ coded)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358102
As far as I remember they both worked decent on my Wizard. There is also another version by Byka, but don't think I've ever tried that one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328010
Ahh, thats helps a lot, in everyone's opinion then is it worth going back to one of these or should i stick with the CR96?
I'm getting used to it now, i've tried a couple of others the TNT touchflo and X2H's newest ROM but i've found the CR96 much better!
Any views would be appreciated.
Those links are to a piece of software, NOT to a ROM.
You can install and run those with whatever ROM you have running now. I believe cube clones were built over a year ago so not sure how they'll work with the newer ROMs. But worth a try if you want that cube effect.
Even clearer, thanks!
getting on quite well with the CR96 Rom.

Instructions for TNT Touchflo 19199

I just flashed TNT 5.0. It didn't have touch flo, so I flashed build 19199 which I understand to be a TNT Touchflo version. The problem is that I don't seem to have touchflo working. It just seems like a regular OS. There seem to be no instructions or manuals for using the TNT build 19199. So it seems that I am in the dark here. There is one program called TOUCHFLO which allows you to set a sound when you use touchflo. I do not see any other references to touchflo, excepting the ADVANCED SETTINGS. I see no why to change Celcious to Farenheit on the Weather download to the phone. And there is no instructions on how to set touchflo to work. I flashed to a WIZARD G4. I love the programs included with the Professional+HOME+touchflo, but I just don't see how to set up the phone for the touchflo feature. I would be good if better definition could be given to the ROMS cooked, a list of most recent builds, and a instruction manual to describe the settings and features of the phone. For instance, just what is OXIOS? Or what is BITCRAWLER? Sure these must be important to the use of the phone, but we less than endowed GEEKS, need a little help, don't we. So have some mercy on us and include a PDF or DOC with the ROM BUILDS. THANKS, JACK

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