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My sister has been asking me for a while to find her first electronic organizer, but knowing her I can't give something too techy and complicated. She will barely connect it to her PC very often.
Main requirements are : calendar, notes and I suppose contacts.
Camera is a plus.
Do you know of an "easy" girly phone, that is not too geek like most of the ones we have ?
like the equivalent of the Palm Zire for instance, these ones were just doing the basics if you didn't look behind the shell.
thanks.
Does she want WM5, Palm, Symbian? Does it need to have a phone and if so does it need to be 3G?
Maybe something like HP iPaq 1950?
It is a WM5 device but it's one of the basic ones, no phone / GPS / BT (has WIFI though).
It's pretty stable so no need for "tech" stuff if you only want to use it as an organizer and it is very compact.
Plus if she wants to add some games or something later that will work too.
Don't underestimate women. My beautiful wife (yes she dose read this forum ) has had XDAI, XDAII and atom. She is not very good with understanding how computers work but still manages to work all the features of ppc's. The main question would probably be the price. Here the HP version of the atom (I can't remember name) is probably the cheapest pda phone and its got all the features.
Well, I'm not sure about your sis, but as far as I know, girls look for looks on things they use. So, probably the Zire22 are small and girlish enough for her to use. I personally used both Palm and Windows PDA. In organiser wise, I find Palm's builtin PIM is better and clearer. However, unless you get the advance version of Palm PDA (eg TX), your sis maybe having problem with the handwriting 'mechanism'.
Anyway, for Windows based PDA, I think it is very basic anyway. You just key in the required field without the need to know other things. If you are to use the PIM without much of your personal requirement, you won't need to do things like reg hack And, I find that girls can seems to tolerate things that they don't know (eg, they hardly customize a PC, though they seems to like to customize a bf). The most they want to do is to make them look pink.
Ask your sis, which PDA she likes (eg the looks and size, and colour) and it may help you in choosing. Let her have a look on the PalmZ22, as I remember, there are `converted` wives with Z22. It doesn't have a camera though.
http://euro.palm.com/uk/en/products/z22/domore.html
I agree with Hanmin
the look is more important,
I will check with her first of all.
I used a Palm for years before PPC and yes.. I forgot about the letter recognition :-(
thanks for your help guys !
if u want phone capibility and camera and ability to choose the colour of the device (it comes in white, red, orange, and silver) go with the upcoming treo 680.....its palmOS based though..
i think for a very basic user windows mobile is not good. for example activesync and hotsync......
Hum, in my mind the choice will be hard
Bring her in a shop and show her the main differences about capabilites, look and ... prices...
Sometime we want a very simple things but when we discover advanced features, we want ALL ! A geek is sleeping in all of us
Have a look at the o2 Stealth.
Just wondering, any updates on this? What is the one she chosen ?
Anyone got any normal, telephone sounding, non-embarrasing ringtones? Need something that sounds a little more professional than my current one
What do others use?
Thanks
any wav, mp3, wma or midi you can find online would work
or you can record another phone rining using your pda or pc
or sing a rind tone yourself
google finds all
I use the Old Phone ringtone. It's included on the device.
Attached is the "Bronze" and "Steel" ringtone from the B&O phone, I use "Bronze" for SMS and it is very discreet and professional sounding, but my ringtone at the moment is this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4&mode=related&search=
OMG, that banana rules!!! of course i know that animated cursor it's made of, but still, thats just f...ng LOL. thanks ;]
i use spb phone suite and when i'm dealing with something "professional" i switch to a profile which has the old phone ringtone.
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Attached is the "Bronze" and "Steel" ringtone from the B&O phone, I use "Bronze" for SMS and it is very discreet and professional sounding, but my ringtone at the moment is this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4&mode=related&search=
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you got anymore B&O ringtones?
As I understand it, those are the only two tones it has. Someone else in another post extracted them from the website, which only features those two.
Edit: Sorry to pollute the thread, but Family Guy afficionados may also appreciate these little offerings (also great for SMS).
Thanks for everyones posts, but I'm still none the wiser! (even after spending over an hour googling for ringtones...)
Surely people out there must have a decent, 'phone' sounding ringtone that they use when Family Guy etc wouldn't go down too well?
Perhaps I have spotted a gap in the market.....www.business-ringtones.com .... www.boring-ringtones.com ..... etc
with a quick search with this
http://www.google.dk/search?q=phone+.wav&btnG=Søg&hl=da
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=15826
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/old-phone-wav.html
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=14576
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=20101
http://gallery.mobile9.com/f/14462/
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html
if non of these hits or others from the google search helps you
i sugest you specify what you are looking for
because i sure never heard a ring tone that made me go
"damm that sounded like a business and or boring phone rining"
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Damn, none of those sounded like a business ringtone.... only joking!!
Thanks mate, will take a look....but don't you just hate it when people find things instantly on Google, after you've spent ages looking?!?!
I'm still starting www.boring-ringtones.com BTW...gonna have some reeeeeal boring ringtones on there.
I use the CTU ring from the show 24 as my ringtone.
Sounds like a phone, but not the same old same old.
How proffffesssionallll do you need?
I dont use ringtone, if you are pro. vibra only!!!
You can create your own ringtones, well they are more like statements as if your phone is speaking to you. Go to AT&T text to speech
http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php#top
type in what you want it to say and chose your dialect, try it out and when your happy with it then download it as a wave file - easy - and free.
Different statements for different profiles, I use Phone Alarm and at 10:00 each night the phone switches into "flight mode" and my XDA Exec say
"Flight Mode has been activated"
www.zedge.com have a voice and effects tool which makes tones and sms for free
Heres a cool idea, which I happen to use. Download a text-to-speech program like coolspeech. Program it to say:
"(Your Name), you have an incoming call".
Save it as a wav and drop it in my ringtones folder. Very simple and professional.
Just had a good laugh on the AT&T site writing stupid messages to have it played back to me....ah well, passed at least 2 mins....
Anyway, back to the point.
Just to briefly specify what I'm looking for (still didn't find it from Google even after your help Rudegar)-
- a telephone sounding ringtone, but not like an old phone with the bells on, just a gentle, not shrill, modern sounding telephone.
Surely there's one somewhere???
download the ringtone here.
http://www.ccir.ed.ac.uk/~jad/ringtone.html
simple and sweet
ITS PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!
lol
The Ring-Standard included in WM6 sounds pretty professional and "non-wierd". Might be an easy option if you have WM6.
Hi all,
Since last monday I am also the proud owner of the touch pro from HTC.
It's certanly a big change coming from the wizard, I have 2 of them in case my new phone stops working.
But what I like to know is: is it possible to add more than 15 favs in the touchflo 3d interface?
Hope someone can help me
Request also
Same here, mate.
I would also like to see an unlimited amount of favorites in the Tflo3d contacts tab. It wouldn't be called favorites than anymore but just Contacts Tab!
See my pro's and con's with the Raphael, both hardware and software. This one you can add to the software list disadvantages.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420252
Anyhow, if anybody has an idea, please write it here!
Greetz Pallemans
Anybody got back to you on this one. I will also like to add more favorites.
i'm 99% sure its not possible.
According to HTC manual, fifteen (15) is the maximum.
Though I am sure that someone will come up with a tweak
Fact of the matter is:
It's not possible with current version of TF3D. Not even a tweak or a registry setting.
Hopefully in a new update of TF3D or perhaps TouchXperience will have this capability!
We'll wait and see what happens, hoping developers will know about these user wishes.
Regards....
If you're going to have that many favorites, isn't that the same as WM Contacts app? Why even bother with Favorites?
Maybe you'll actually looking for call groups like how Nokia has them?
Nu,
I have about 200 contacts, 15 favorites of 200 wont cut it. At least give me 40. I dont expect unlimited, 200 favorites is just ridiculous and you are right on that one. But 15, I mean, I have more than 15 customers that I have to call, to go throught all contacts or voice command (which I have to repeat like 5 times before I give up). I am sure its just a variable somewhere with a fixed value that can be changed. I wish I could see that code behind it.
Yes, Lol is right.
15 fav's is just not enough. Your pathetic if you only have 15 dear friends and families.
I already have 15 best friends, no room for parents, brothers, other direct families and close collegues.
I believe if I speak to most off us, that, what we like to see is the Contacts tab showing just 15 fav's needs a complete makeover in where the user gets to choose he/she wants to have only XX number of fav's shown, OR the entire list of contacts, including some sort of alphabetic scrollbar on top.
TF3D is meant for quick usage of your most actions on a phone, like calling contacts, reading sms/email, browse photos, listen to music, select communications like BT, and quicklinks to programs. That's why TF3D has all these tabs, so you don't have to find your way through WM start menu. So now when trying to dial one, and go to contacts tab, and it's not in my fav's, then theres to much action needed to get the contact I want. (press more, scroll down etc.)
Like I said earlier, it should become a choice for users. Fav's or entire contacts list. And perhaps the 2 buttons left and right bottom corner could be like 'New contact' and right: 'Search contact'
It just an idea.
the developers making TouchXperience are in the right direction, I'm still waiting for their first release which is taking very long. They need to expand and let Beta users help them finish the product.
Regards
P
Need more
I am having the same problem. I was really put out when I was adding my contacts and the add a favorite option was gone. I hope someone comes up with a way around this. I unfortunately have no programing skills...much respect to those who do, you make my fuze sing
Need help. I'm having problems making/receiving calls on my Tilt 2 and I'm thinking of upgrading. I am having a lot of problems just finding answers to some basic questions about the options available. Being a long time user of Win Mobile, I'm leaning to the WP7. Some questions that I have are:
1. Text entry. Sliding keyboard aside (I'm thinking of the Samsung Focus) is there a transcriber program? I take notes during meetings, etc., and presently either use the keyboard on the Tilt, or a 'Phatware' transcriber program.
2. Backward compatability. Will WM6.5 aps work on the new WP7? Programs like eReader, Laridian Books, Platware, etc.?
3. Is there the ability to import a Contact to a new appointment on the Calendar? Not being able to do this on the Tilt 2 has been a real pain!
4. Is there a stylis?
5. Can you watch a missed TV show from CBS, A&E, or Fox.com?
As I said, these are simple (hopefully, not stupid) questions, and thanks for what ever help or opinions are offered.
1. Microsoft OneNote to take notes. There is no handwritting recognition, just virtual keyboard (for Focus).
2. No.
3. ?
4. No.
5. Several 3rd party apps are either available or in development to watch TV shows and old seasons.
3. The calender provides the option to specify required and optional attendees for an appointment if this is what you mean.
Is the OneNote the only application? I was under the impression that Office was included, which has Word and Excel.
Also, there is some confussion about what I ment with question #3. On my Tilt 2, when creating a new appointment, there is no way to pull a name off of my Contacts list. I have to re-type the name as a new appointment, with no cross link. This has always been a real pain, and something that I can not understand why a business friendly platform can't do. In the original Tilt, you could pull up a Contact, and had a menu function that would allow you to create an new appointment with that contact, but not with the Tilt 2. This is something so simple that even my old Palm M100 would do.
An observation, it certainly appears that all platforms are full of bells and whistles, while leaving the solid old PIM functions out. Maybe I need to go back to my Franklin Planner, and a simple flip phone......
Thanks for the info. From what it sounds like, I won't be going to WP7. I'll have to look at the android/iPhone, to see if one of them will work for me.
Thanks again....
mlpoland said:
Is the OneNote the only application? I was under the impression that Office was included, which has Word and Excel.
Also, there is some confussion about what I ment with question #3. On my Tilt 2, when creating a new appointment, there is no way to pull a name off of my Contacts list. I have to re-type the name as a new appointment, with no cross link. This has always been a real pain, and something that I can not understand why a business friendly platform can't do. In the original Tilt, you could pull up a Contact, and had a menu function that would allow you to create an new appointment with that contact, but not with the Tilt 2. This is something so simple that even my old Palm M100 would do.
An observation, it certainly appears that all platforms are full of bells and whistles, while leaving the solid old PIM functions out. Maybe I need to go back to my Franklin Planner, and a simple flip phone......
Thanks for the info. From what it sounds like, I won't be going to WP7. I'll have to look at the android/iPhone, to see if one of them will work for me.
Thanks again....
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android and iphone will be the same as wp7 in all those aspects.
the only advantage goes to android which can watch those tv shows (android has flash) but wp7 will be getting flash soon too, so it will be able to soon. iphone will never have flash.
mlpoland said:
Is the OneNote the only application? I was under the impression that Office was included, which has Word and Excel.
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Thanks again....
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Office 2010 mobile with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote is available on all WP7 phones as far as I know...
ace10134 said:
android and iphone will be the same as wp7 in all those aspects.
the only advantage goes to android which can watch those tv shows (android has flash) but wp7 will be getting flash soon too, so it will be able to soon. iphone will never have flash.
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there is also youtube support already in windows phone, so no problem there either.
It's just crossing my mind this idea to downgrade from WP7 to WM6.x. Yes, it has been told that this two platforms are completely different thing, on hardware and software base. But, after looking at the HD2 forum that is dedicated to HD2s update from WM6.5 to WP7 the idea just could be right.
Switching from WM6.5 to WP7 made me nostalgic for WM6.5 and it's programs, settings... Well, I guess that, as a lot of people, I haven't asked around about WP7 enough to see how it works and what it gives. But, I do like this phone, and especially 1GHz processor, 5MP camera, touch screen and other things (o yeah the battery is much better) that it comes hard to me to have this mighty thing that is all locked up. It could be that in a year or so, from now, it will be better than WM6.5 but considering all that time needed to get it close to WM6.5 and original idea to create WP7 (to make it easy-to-use and lot less custom) it stands on this OS just like gray cloud.
Just wanted to write this, and if someone shares my opinion I would be most glad to hear about it.
Maybe it will be possible to get to WM6.5...
nope cant be done sorry. just install the mango beta it blows wm6.5 out of the water.
Yes, I do try to think like that, and then I realize that I need SatNav. And, no GPS navigation software can't be installed, for time being, there is no Garmin, IGo, TomTom...
I'll definitely stick to this phone, and Mango I'll update. Hope it'll make my life simpler.
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Yes, I do try to think like that, and then I realize that I need SatNav. And, no GPS navigation software can't be installed, for time being, there is no Garmin, IGo, TomTom...
I'll definitely stick to this phone, and Mango I'll update. Hope it'll make my life simpler.
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Garmin StreetPilot is now in Marketplace for a hefty $39.99, but unfortunately still does not include fully installed maps. Maps can however be downloaded ahead of time to the phone for the relevant route.
for unlocked device you have Navigon select...
My Arrive came with TeleNav. And the built in Bing stuff does turn by turn (with an upgrade coming in Mango). I don't see GPS apps as being an issue.
Yeap, now the future looks better.
as longer I use WP7 the more I wish a downgrade to WM6.5!!!
Where is my (momentary VERY needed) possibility to use tethering!? How do I synch "get away ALL your music and videos, blahblah..." all my things WITHOUT the scrapy Zune-SW, and (haha!) how I can increase the memory for it!?
****ty menues (just 5 stupid icons -what I there are several, much more options!?!?), it's not possible for the developers to install a dedicated database (so you have to make it "in the cloud") -yeah!!!! It's SO stupid on a MOBILE phone, as there often is the possibility that you're NOT online, or with GPRS or EDGE only -and it is SO funny if you're in a train and all 5 secondy it switsh from G to E to G3 to G to HSDPA. The last ****! :-(
The IE on it often don't work. Hmmm -let's use Opera. Uuuh -damned -I forget: you can't install ANYTHING!!!
OK -exceptional jailbreak, but I never did it before, and I don't want it -but I HAVE to do it, if I want to USE my phone.
I think it's better to reactivate my HD2 -there is ALL functionable, without any problems. And: it contains much data that i need -and there is NO possibilty to migrate SMS (i.e.) to WP7 -VERY poor performance Microsoft!!!!
Groby said:
as longer I use WP7 the more I wish a downgrade to WM6.5!!!
Where is my (momentary VERY needed) possibility to use tethering!? How do I synch "get away ALL your music and videos, blahblah..." all my things WITHOUT the scrapy Zune-SW, and (haha!) how I can increase the memory for it!?
****ty menues (just 5 stupid icons -what I there are several, much more options!?!?), it's not possible for the developers to install a dedicated database (so you have to make it "in the cloud") -yeah!!!! It's SO stupid on a MOBILE phone, as there often is the possibility that you're NOT online, or with GPRS or EDGE only -and it is SO funny if you're in a train and all 5 secondy it switsh from G to E to G3 to G to HSDPA. The last ****! :-(
The IE on it often don't work. Hmmm -let's use Opera. Uuuh -damned -I forget: you can't install ANYTHING!!!
OK -exceptional jailbreak, but I never did it before, and I don't want it -but I HAVE to do it, if I want to USE my phone.
I think it's better to reactivate my HD2 -there is ALL functionable, without any problems. And: it contains much data that i need -and there is NO possibilty to migrate SMS (i.e.) to WP7 -VERY poor performance Microsoft!!!!
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wow where to start. this is probably the most ignorant post I've read on here thus far and with poor grammar at that. my arrive has had wonderful performance since the day I got it and it has improved even further since I installed the mango beta. the live tiles are awesome makes android and iOS seem like nothing but app launchers, the whole concept of apps is overrated and I can do a lot of things without having to even launch an app. and IE9 runs circes around opera. especially the one on WM.
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wow where to start. this is probably the most ignorant post I've read on here thus far and with poor grammar at that. my arrive has had wonderful performance since the day I got it and it has improved even further since I installed the mango beta. the live tiles are awesome makes android and iOS seem like nothing but app launchers, the whole concept of apps is overrated and I can do a lot of things without having to even launch an app. and IE9 runs circes around opera. especially the one on WM.
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Hmmm... It's not the performance that is question. But, it's functionality. Migrating from WM6.5 to WP7 should, at least I thought, have been compatible, eg. SMS, Connection settings (WiFi, Phone...), Contact (I've had to do it the old fashion way, by typing contacts manual / an then I found out about sync with WLive ).
It feels like I have powerful thing (excellent hardware), but it does non better than Nokia 3310. Just raw speed, for basic things.
Hi eric -I'm not a native speaker (english) -but give us some probes from your netherlands, german and french
But as I can see, you're able to read what I wrote, and thats what matter.
But back to topic: What sense is in a phone that is unusable in much functions DIRECTLY. For everyone -not just for people which have the time, the skills und of course the desire to make an jailbreak (which causes lost of guarantee), rebuild the phone several times, have so read several manuals, howtos and search for betas, previews.
I'd tried the Desire Z (just because of the same why I buy the 7 Pro -it's a type & touch) -and send it bach 2 days later to amazon. It's exactly what you wrote: just app-launchers! I hate apple., because of their "we tell you what to do" -and with WP7 it cames to me. I don't wanna do a jailbreak -but I didn't have an alternative (if I want to USE the phone) :-(
Maybee other people have the possibility and time to try the mango beta -and it seems that I MUST do it, or I have to sell the phone (what will make me very sad -a VERY good piece of hardware!!)
Groby said:
Hi eric -I'm not a native speaker (english) -but give us some probes from your netherlands, german and french
But as I can see, you're able to read what I wrote, and thats what matter.
But back to topic: What sense is in a phone that is unusable in much functions DIRECTLY. For everyone -not just for people which have the time, the skills und of course the desire to make an jailbreak (which causes lost of guarantee), rebuild the phone several times, have so read several manuals, howtos and search for betas, previews.
I'd tried the Desire Z (just because of the same why I buy the 7 Pro -it's a type & touch) -and send it bach 2 days later to amazon. It's exactly what you wrote: just app-launchers! I hate apple., because of their "we tell you what to do" -and with WP7 it cames to me. I don't wanna do a jailbreak -but I didn't have an alternative (if I want to USE the phone) :-(
Maybee other people have the possibility and time to try the mango beta -and it seems that I MUST do it, or I have to sell the phone (what will make me very sad -a VERY good piece of hardware!!)
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odd,i didn't have to do any of that when I got my Arrive. just open the box, enter my live ID and I was good to go. wp7 is not an app launcher as almost everything can be done without even having to go into an app. with the mango beta which is easy to install i can identify a song that's playing, a product for the best price,get directions somewhere (even in malls),find something to do in the area, buy movie tickets,search the web and watch html5 videos in HD quality,check my Facebook,chat on Facebook and check in. and many other things. install the mango beta and u'll feel much better about it.
Hold on. The core of any smartphone are applications. Staring with earliest versions of WM, Symbian, iOS, Android, Droid, WP7, they all the same with a final porpoise, and that is an application/s.
Therefore calling other systems "apps launcher" is contradiction. Because doing anything with a WP7 is being done via apps. Home screen is, just as in any other mobile system, a pile of shortcuts with a weather and the clock. The truth is that some systems are doing it, app launching, better than the others.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
With all of its hardware, as WP7 requires to run, this phone, or any WP7, will in the future be something good.
If you've played with WP7 enough, you'll find that the live tiles really preclude you from needing to actually launch the associated apps unnecessarily. Because of this, the commenter was calling the other Mobile OS versions more of an "app launcher" because, in general, you need to launch the app to interact with it. (Google has widgets, but those widgets aren't quite the same.) With WP7, you can glance-and-go (one of the tenants that MS imparted into the Metro design) and only launch apps when there is a required interaction. It really is a different approach, and one that I think works very well.
Please give some comparison for WP7 and other mobile OS (mOS).
As hard as I try, and I do like to play around with WP7, I just can't find anything that makes WP7 better than other mOS.
Eg. When email or SMS arrive, on WP7s homescreen shows a count of these items, and on the other hand, Symbian do just the same. So, where is the difference?
So far, the only thing that is obviously better are things-apps that have something to do with the internet (Windows Live, Email, Internet Explorer, Youtube) or with the 1GHz processor (apps do work better with stronger processor, so by having stronger processor apps work better and it isn't because of WP7).
you sound like you're determined to be underwhelmed by wp7. yes, when you get an SMS, the homescreen tells you that you have one....that's what phones do. What more is there for a phone to do with an sms?
WP7 is highly innovative from a UI standpoint. What you seem to be interested in, however, is the menu-heavy micromanaging style of old school winmo. If you want to be able to micromanage every last little thing about your phone go to a different platform. WP7 does everything it is purported to do, if you are not getting what you wanted, then you didn't do your homework before you dropped god-knows-how-much on a phone. these days, it's not about which platform is better, it's about preference. It's getting to the point where every platform can do all the really important things really well. so how do you want your phone to look? that's what you're buying.
Don't get me wrong, but what you are saying is what I've been saying. That is, WP7 as any other mOS is not new in functionality but it is different in GUI. Other qualities are not available to be seen, since there are no apps which can show it.
For now, WP7, only offers basic features.
I have been wondering the same thing since the 1 st rumors of windows phone 7 but still a no go. Its ironic ms stripped away so many of the things that made wm only to get beat out by the former clone of themselves....android. I love the form the tp2 & wish they wouldve released an hd2 with a keyboard. They shouldve stripped the name windows,hired a special team that managed themes system wide so that u have eye candy without it being resource heavy & hired a marketing team that would make apple & google have nightmares.
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I have been wondering the same thing since the 1 st rumors of windows phone 7 but still a no go. Its ironic ms stripped away so many of the things that made wm only to get beat out by the former clone of themselves....android. I love the form the tp2 & wish they wouldve released an hd2 with a keyboard. They shouldve stripped the name windows,hired a special team that managed themes system wide so that u have eye candy without it being resource heavy & hired a marketing team that would make apple & google have nightmares.
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that's what they are doing with the mango update that's near release and the beta is already out and I find that im able to do just as much if not more than WM6.5 and android (former TP2 owner and loved it, had an EVO **** for a week and hated it).
Hi,
I followed eric12341's suggestion and have the mango-beta installed (and have buyed a developer account, to make side-loads possible). And some things were better (slow was it not before -hey, it have a 1GHz CPU, it HAVE to be fast ), but there are so many things which waste time. If I want to have a (exact) look of charging, I have to go through some menue-points. As I often in transit by railways, I have to set date several times, and the WM-calendar (and to set the time) is MUCH more effective, as I didnt't have to use the annoying slider-gadgets. Maybe it looks nice, but it waste much time. Before it was just 3 tips, no it's an orgy -the possebility to change the style would be great! And local database for apps -to find the connecting-train while you have no network (and EVERY thing have to be found over network when you want to set start and target of you travel, because of the impossebillity of local databases) is a horror! Before: 10 seconds, now 3 minutes -or longer, as often there is no network in the train. :-(
And unfortunately many very good (sideload)-apps will not longer work after mango. And when I can make a backup from my data, if I want to upgrade memory, or have to change it (because of defectivs, i.e.). And not all of my friend have Zune installed, but they have good music, pdf's or anything else for me. The next thing I was wondering: why I can only set my own ringtons for calling? What'a about SMS, email, and so on?? ^^
Sorry for the bad english -hope it was not to hard to read. :-(
Groby, thanks for the info. I was looking for some info about Mango.
Navigating via online updating is absolutely annoying. It takes for ever to download map, and there are no detailed maps, but only hi-ways and few byways.
I looks like this operating system is way out from it's time, for about good year or so.
If developers could make downgrade to WM 6.x, it would make this phone a dream.