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Hi all,
I did not know where to place my question so here goes:
I have a iPhone clone thing T32+ interal GPS with Windows Mobile 6 on it.
Now, I don't like WM6. Is it possible to install some other OS? What about ANDROID?? Is that already available? I really don't like the keyboards available in WM6. What a job typing a SMS!!
Also, I can't change the text language to Dutch and therefore Dutch Word Suggestion while typing.
Let me know what you experts think.
Thank you
Windows mobile may be sort of gimpy out of the box but there is a lot you can do with it.
For instance, here is a nice pretty skinnable keyboard (skins on the same site) http://www.pocketcm.com/keyboard.php . More skins http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330525 . Our two phones have the same screen. On my phone pocketCM set on big takes up about half of the screen. Easy typing.
Another nice one is happytapping.
If you want a different launcher / ui there are tons of them available too. Ifonz if you want to look like an iPhone. There are tons of others also. Just look for home screen replacement or launchers. My phone doesn't even resemble wm6 anymore. The fun of windows mobile is customizing it into what you want, and being able to change what it is like on a whim. Of course I guess if you want something functional out of the box there are definetly better choices. On that note, yes you are pretty much stuck with windows on that phone.
Heya
Like any OS< I'm pretty sure WM has some drawbacks.
For example the default file explorer.
Which aspects of WM are 'must-replace'?
(Note: I'm getting a HTC Touch 3G soon, so I'll already have TF2D/M2D)
Thanks in advance!
Thats a matter of personal taste
Which is what is great about this platform, we can make it what we want. Take the Today screen for instance. Almost everyone changes it, but each of us does something different with it. Some go for something like Pocket Informant, or SPB diary or some onther plug in that packs as much info and control functions on that screen as possible. Others (like myself) prefer a much more simple, finger friendly layout, with all of the info a click or two away. I'm using the wm 6.5 skin for SPBMS right now and loving it.
I will say that you will want additional internet browsers and media players for sure, but which ones are right for you is your call. What some consider a weak spot, others might consider a feature. My advice is to dive in and install a bunch of stuff, and see where it takes you. There is so much available, and most of it is free, that you can make your device look and feel right for you.
I have an old Trinity, and tried WM6.5 ROMs. Twice.
WM6.5 seems a bit faster for me, than 6.1. It is also stable.
But, it has, IMO, the WORST user interface of any OS out there!
It's cluttered. It's busy. It's hard to navigate.
The file screen is pure visual mess: something a grade student with bad taste would create, and think it's "cool."
And of course, below it all, it's still the old, old WM.
I love HTC hardware. But with WM7 beyond the horizon, I am taking a hard look at other options. Maybe the new iPhone coming out in June, maybe HTC Android, if they polish up a bit.
Has MS completely lost it? Or do people actually like WM6.5?
Umm, whats wrong with the interface? i love it, its easy to navigate, I really dont know what ur complaining about. Im using it on my tilt and it works great!
Same here, I'm using it on my kaiser, and in addition to being much more responsive, the UI is a big improvement over previous versions. Titanium is finger friendly, and nice looking too. The large start menu is nice and finger friendly, as well as more convenient than navigating through endless menus just to open a program. And speaking of menus, the finger friendly menus are really nice; I barely have to use my stylus anymore.
The only thing I don't really like about the UI is the start menu's meager level of customization, but I'm sure someone here will come up with a tool to fix that. If you want the old WM interface back, you can always just install an old WM theme, and everything but the start menu will go back to Windows 3.1 style.
Dave
If u think WM 6.5 has the worst UI then u haven't used WM 5 or below.
Agree with original poster, in fact i've listed my polaris on eBay and am just buying a nokia - and I've been using HTC's (about 6 of them) since the original xda.
Given up on MS.
it's the the best but it is one of the simplest UI to navigate. also, with WM6.5, i dont have to install 3rd party apps for sms (because of the big and scrollable UI), contacts (same as sms), and with all the titanium plugins being developed, no more favorite contacts launcher, pograms launcher, weather forecast, twitter, etc. but then again it's not the best UI
Havent tested personally, but from a graphical/friendly point of view I´m not rushing for testing...Not like it at all
Just my opinion,
Im quite a fan of the new interface
I find it incredibly easy to navigate around it.
The only thing i dont like about it is how you return to the desktop after using an app, i would prefer it to return to the start menu where it was last.
It's their first attempt for a finger-friendly UI. It's still ugly (compared to iPhone), and seems a bit too serious, that's why nobody uses the Windows Today screen and everybody installs custom roms or "today screen" alternatives like SPB mobile shell 3 and other similar products.
6.5 is a bit more operable when using it with your hands, but you still need the stylus or a nail for some operations. That's because WinMob started as a PDA OS and now that it's a Phone/pda OS they should redesign it from scratch.
Well, instead of making all UI parts big for a finger touch, Microsoft said that 6.5 will only be available on devices that have a dedicated button for "Start menu".
And I still don't like the honeycomb. (And I'm not gonna buy an iPhone because I like their UI )
For some reason I think this not-so-long development improved WM UI a lot more than HTC with all those touch flos...
meh...its not the best, but its not the wost..lol
meh...its not the best, but its not the wost..lol
Actually VanAuberjim, they changed the upgrade to 6.5 requirements a month or two ago. Requiring a hardware start menu was a stupid idea, and I think they caught on to their mistake. Now, a minimum of a 400MHz processor and 128MB of RAM are the only things one needs to be eligible for an official upgrade. Unfortunately, it's still at the manufacturer's discretion, so older devices won't get an official upgrade. Of course, that's why cooked ROMs were invented .
Dave
I agree too.
They messed up Windows Mobile 6.5 completly.
The improvements are not enough, I expected a lot more from the "new" windows mobile.
In my oppinion it doesn't deserve the adjectiv "new" because it isn't. They made the buttons bigger (like we have a long time with finger menu), the scrolling better (there was no possibiliy to make it worse then it was) , a new start menu (which is nearly like the one from TF3D 2) and new lock screen (which is pretty good).
Wooow.
And the rest?
The UI is still like from a nother, old time,, but the UI of iPhone, Android and Palm, yeah, they look new and fresh.
The Windows Mobile 6.5 UI still looks like Windows 95.
And why we still have to use the stylus on Windows Mobile 6.5.
Hellloooo M$ welcome to the non stylus finger friendly century!!!
That's why I'm selling my Xperia right now to buy the new iphone in this summer. Just beause of the interface.
I hate apple and I would love to keep my Xperia. But not this way.
If M$ isn't able to create a nice new Windows Mobile, they will lose in the next years, the won't have a chance against Android and iphone when this OS will have things like Office which is one of the main arguments for a Windows Mobile device.
i agree with the OP and a lot of posts here, 6.5 is just not enough and im sick of the mediocre updates to winmo and they keep pushing back wm7 that i think it might not even stack up as well with the competition when it hits due to the fact that the give us real updates and it may not be up to par by the time it releases...... Im moving on come september or sooner when my contract is up and get me an iPhone 3rd Gen or a Palm Pre
at least they know how to bring the big updates to their OS (Palm gave us the Upgrade that M$ should have done and in a BIG WAY)
and apple (even though they are air tight) at least gave us copy-paste/mms and a lot of things that they were behind on so all iPhone haters can look for something else to complain about now
I like the new interface, and now more compared to the overloaded TF3D 2, I must say that WM6.5 is not the best thing out there in matter of usability and design, but it represents a big improvement over the older version, I just love the scrolling, and the new menus. I would like to see improvements on tasks switching and the control on the icons on the topbar, but I think that at this stage that's not gonna happen.
The real promise is Windows7 but they're taking tooooooooo long. I think the most interesting OS out there is the OS of the Palm Pre. Apple? well, I just realize that I don't want a phone with virtual keyb, I can't type without seeing the screen.
I have recently installed the WM6.5 ROM on my Diamond and I really like the responsivness of the new OS, especially with the new HTC Album, Camera, etc. So the underlying code must have been greatly enhanced.
When it comes to the visual of the home screen, I think I still prefer the HTC TouchFLO 3D. So together, they are a winner
I too agree with the original poster here. It is really terrible in my opinion. In fact, after installing it and using it for a few days, I came to the conclusion that microsoft is incapable of delivering any credible handheld OS for the foreseeable future at least, and have already switched to iPhone. I'm really very very happy with iPhone. WIth it jailbroken, I can multitask, cut and paste, do video recording, do bluetooth file transfer, do MMS, and many other things which everyone says iPhone can't do. Not only that, I find that other than GPS navigation software, which is still terrible on iPhone, the third party applications on iPHone are a lot better. Everything is so well thought out in iPhone, although it has just one button. Easy to switch tasks, VOIP and phone calls are of much better quality, volume control that could be adjusted in small increment, so much room for customization and tailoring (when so many incorrectly says that you can't customise iPhone).
I now use my HD to run my Tom Tom, iGO, Garmin and Mapking only. Once similar application exist on iPhone, I'd be 100% done with winmo.
WORST++
Definitely one of the most pathetic attempts of MS. Sucks big time, what on earth were they thinking?
For instance, if i've scrolled the menu down somewhere and the clock/date is not in the screen....and i leave it there and come back to my today screen....boom! i got to scroll back just to see the damn date!
A today screen is to give a quick glance on all the important stuff. This is plain ridiculous....all you get to see is some boring menus in font size 32.
boo MS....booooo!
I'm not going to tell anybody what they should think, but I think a lot of negative opinions in this thread are because people are misunderstanding what 6.5 actually IS.
It's a patch job. It's a little facelift to buy time for WM7, which is an actual overhaul. Based on comments that have dribbled out from the WM team, I don't think WM7 really has been "pushed back." Instead, WM8 was pushed FORWARD and rebranded as WM7. The "original" WM7 was drastically reduced and rebranded as 6.5.
IMO, 6.5 is MOSTLY an improvement over 6.1. The menus and scrolling are definitely better. There's a handful of little tweaks and changes that are definite improvements. CHome is a bit flashier and more "current" than a bare Today screen (and, remember, you can easily disable it and use the "classic" Today screen if you want).
The only part I'm not very fond of is the Start menu. The design is questionable, and it's too darn clunky to rearrange. They really should have made a fullscreen "smart" menu that works more like the Vista / W7 Start menu.
Also, the new version of IE is absolutely useless. Slow, clunky, and lousy page rendering. Older versions of PIE were lousy for the "real" web but great for mobile sites. The new IE is good for neither. Luckily, that can also be reverted.
Hi Gents, my name's Paddy and I'm the proud new owner of a TG01 thanks to Orange selling them off at £150! I love it for the fact that I have 24/7 internet access in my pocket, I have a phone and SMS and the rest I'm gradually finding out...(only had it 2 weeks).
I can navigate my way around the device 'now,' but haven't a clue how to change and customise the rather bland "Today Screen," with it's multitude of stripes!
Having looked through this section, I'm in total AWE of you gentlemen, who have the skill and knowlege base to change these things and some of your screens are just amazing, with BIG weather symbols, LARGE clock faces, the date (which I don't have) ..etc, and 'I' would just love to have a go at changing and customising mine (if it's not 'too hard' or risky for a beginner like myself).
Reading things like, TITANINUM; HTC; DOWNLOAD CABS (aren't those taxi's?) is a new language to me, so I need some hand-holding on this one, and basically a 'paint by numbers' BASIC guide on how to change things on this phone of mine (This is from a guy with a 1938 working phone in the house!).
I appreciate that you fella's are leagues ahead of me on what these gadgets 'can do' and what one can 'do with them,' (And it's great to find fok who are so into doing these things) and I understand if my request is rather trivial in the greater scheme of things here, but I honestly wouldn't ask if I didn't want to learn and really do 'need the help and assistance .'
Yours in anticipation. PADDY.
Hi
One of the best things you can put on the TG01 (and the most simple) is SPB mobile shell. Can be found here:
http://spb.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/
Unfortunately you do have to pay for it after the 15 day trial, but for the additional functionality it gives your phone, well worth it
So much nicer than the shoddy tosh interface.
Widgets include:
Clocks, Calenders, Wireless switches, Battery indicators, Messaging notifications, Weather, Media player, Photo frames . . the works
There are various addons for mobile shell available on XDA.
Doesnt cost to give it a go
Hope this helps
Thanks for that.
I didn't even know about that, so thankyou. I'm going to have a look now to see what they have to offer.
When I see things like the pictures posted by members here of their customised screens, and compare it to the default options of my TG01 screen, the two really are planets apart! like different phones almost!
It would have been so much nicer if Toshiba had better options available for the screen layouts, but alas no. So hence my asking for this help.
Thanks again, I appreciate the effort. Paddy.
spb shell it would be fine for you and much more things...
Btw a .cab file is a windows mobile file to install directly on your tg01 an application(any kind of)(like copy/paste[somewhere on tg01, maybe storage card]/tap on .cab & follow onscreen instructions.
You can have something like this by adding SPB Mobile Shell and a skin on top of that.
Skin..etc
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You can have something like this by adding SPB Mobile Shell and a skin on top of that.
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I can follow the downloading of the SPB (Seems straight forward - even for 'me!'). But what is the 'addition of a skin ontop' mean please? (don't worry, I know when I am talking about things I'm really familiar with, it's easy to overlook the lesser knowledge of others' until someone stops me and says, "I didn't quite grasp that, could you just explain more slowly please...").
The effect (shown in the pics) looks great! it's just 'how to' get there that I don't know... (gotta start somewhere I guess).
Putting a skin onto mobile shell means that its changing the original graphics for different ones, like for example the launcher bar at the bottom of the homescreen, or the clock. Personally Im happy with most of the supplied graphics, and the only thing I've put on extra is a widget pack for extra functionality. One baby step at a time Just install mobile shell and get used to that first, the rest will follow later
Good advice in the above post, take a small step at a time. I've tried loads of themes and I've done quite a few hard resets in the past few weeks, this means starting from afresh each time and re-syncing contacts etc.
The best theme I've seen is the Sense 2.5, however the functionality just isn't there yet, contacts not working, can't save internet favorites etc, so it's no good for me at this stage. Other skins can have problems too like memory leakage.
To get my skin I just installed the Mtstmp-Keithdupont MS Espresso cab over SPB Shell and then rearranged the widgets to where I wanted them.
Try here just search on the forum for " SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 tricks"
Really good advice! (Found some video tuition too)
I've been playing with it for the last day or so, and it seems straight forward enough and has a nice look to it! It's good to have the 15-day-trial to test it out too, as that will be ample time to see if it works for 'me.'
For anyone else out there who is a total 'newbie' to these things. For installation advice, go onto YouTube as there are plenty of step-by-step visual guides on how to download the SPB Trial (I didn't know whether to go for the CAB download or the other option! it recommended the CAB) and it breaks it all down into easy steps. 'If' you miss abit, well you can just backtrack the video guide again
The one thing I am finding tricky right now with the SPB, is when I want to make a phone call and do a 'search' via typing in a name for a number. The option of the QWERTY keyboard in my phone section always seems to escape me right now!! no idea why, but hopefully I'll figure that out as it's an important option for me to 'find' a name and number to phone.
Finally, FIRST CLASS SERVICE and help from you gents on this one, as I didn't have a clue where to look or begin, and the new layout really does look professional IMHO! Cheers, PADDY.
PADDY_M
In phone mode, you have a key(left, bottom, right near TALK [phone] sign) ''HIDE (phone) KEYPAD'', tap it and you should get the device keyboard(toshiba or else).
Good luck!
Let me know you got it...
Got it.
Thankyou!!! makes life so much easier!!
Welcome, anytime I can be helpfull...
I am not much more informed than Paddy above but perhaps more foolish. I have downloaded and installed 40 mb of Htc sense 2.1 ( i think). And cannot remove it. I think I need to hard reset? Hold down camera, vol up etc. If I do, will this return the phone to "as new" or will I also lose all original files.
I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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As far as I know coreplayer is preinstalled in wm 6.5/6.1 toshiba ROM, no need to worry about.
Regarding the faulty installation of htc stuff, I suppose(not sure 100%) you're right: hard reset=master clear(start/settings/system/masterclear ) will return your tosh as new(this is 100%sure).
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I am not much more informed than Paddy above but perhaps more foolish. I have downloaded and installed 40 mb of Htc sense 2.1 ( i think). And cannot remove it. I think I need to hard reset? Hold down camera, vol up etc. If I do, will this return the phone to "as new" or will I also lose all original files.
I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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If you do a hard reset, the phone will be as you got it from the store. So it will still have core player installed
Misterik said:
I am not much more informed than Paddy above but perhaps more foolish. I have downloaded and installed 40 mb of Htc sense 2.1 ( i think). And cannot remove it. I think I need to hard reset? Hold down camera, vol up etc. If I do, will this return the phone to "as new" or will I also lose all original files.
I am most worried about losing coreplayer as I don't have a pc.
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If you hard reset (Master Clear is same thing) then you will be back to 'out of the box' status. When you start up a clean device like that, it installs several .cab files provided within the ROM, including the assorted Orange apps and also including Core Player.
If you want to get rid of (most) of the Orange-ness of the TG01 you can intercept this process and prevent these apps being installed, or choose just to add Core Player but none of the others. This is done by using a desktop Registry Editor via USB while it starts up. Detailed instructions are in this thread on MoDaCo (see Post #25).
Thanks very much all. That puts my mind at ease. I'll be able to try other stuff now.
It's just crossing my mind this idea to downgrade from WP7 to WM6.x. Yes, it has been told that this two platforms are completely different thing, on hardware and software base. But, after looking at the HD2 forum that is dedicated to HD2s update from WM6.5 to WP7 the idea just could be right.
Switching from WM6.5 to WP7 made me nostalgic for WM6.5 and it's programs, settings... Well, I guess that, as a lot of people, I haven't asked around about WP7 enough to see how it works and what it gives. But, I do like this phone, and especially 1GHz processor, 5MP camera, touch screen and other things (o yeah the battery is much better) that it comes hard to me to have this mighty thing that is all locked up. It could be that in a year or so, from now, it will be better than WM6.5 but considering all that time needed to get it close to WM6.5 and original idea to create WP7 (to make it easy-to-use and lot less custom) it stands on this OS just like gray cloud.
Just wanted to write this, and if someone shares my opinion I would be most glad to hear about it.
Maybe it will be possible to get to WM6.5...
nope cant be done sorry. just install the mango beta it blows wm6.5 out of the water.
Yes, I do try to think like that, and then I realize that I need SatNav. And, no GPS navigation software can't be installed, for time being, there is no Garmin, IGo, TomTom...
I'll definitely stick to this phone, and Mango I'll update. Hope it'll make my life simpler.
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Yes, I do try to think like that, and then I realize that I need SatNav. And, no GPS navigation software can't be installed, for time being, there is no Garmin, IGo, TomTom...
I'll definitely stick to this phone, and Mango I'll update. Hope it'll make my life simpler.
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Garmin StreetPilot is now in Marketplace for a hefty $39.99, but unfortunately still does not include fully installed maps. Maps can however be downloaded ahead of time to the phone for the relevant route.
for unlocked device you have Navigon select...
My Arrive came with TeleNav. And the built in Bing stuff does turn by turn (with an upgrade coming in Mango). I don't see GPS apps as being an issue.
Yeap, now the future looks better.
as longer I use WP7 the more I wish a downgrade to WM6.5!!!
Where is my (momentary VERY needed) possibility to use tethering!? How do I synch "get away ALL your music and videos, blahblah..." all my things WITHOUT the scrapy Zune-SW, and (haha!) how I can increase the memory for it!?
****ty menues (just 5 stupid icons -what I there are several, much more options!?!?), it's not possible for the developers to install a dedicated database (so you have to make it "in the cloud") -yeah!!!! It's SO stupid on a MOBILE phone, as there often is the possibility that you're NOT online, or with GPRS or EDGE only -and it is SO funny if you're in a train and all 5 secondy it switsh from G to E to G3 to G to HSDPA. The last ****! :-(
The IE on it often don't work. Hmmm -let's use Opera. Uuuh -damned -I forget: you can't install ANYTHING!!!
OK -exceptional jailbreak, but I never did it before, and I don't want it -but I HAVE to do it, if I want to USE my phone.
I think it's better to reactivate my HD2 -there is ALL functionable, without any problems. And: it contains much data that i need -and there is NO possibilty to migrate SMS (i.e.) to WP7 -VERY poor performance Microsoft!!!!
Groby said:
as longer I use WP7 the more I wish a downgrade to WM6.5!!!
Where is my (momentary VERY needed) possibility to use tethering!? How do I synch "get away ALL your music and videos, blahblah..." all my things WITHOUT the scrapy Zune-SW, and (haha!) how I can increase the memory for it!?
****ty menues (just 5 stupid icons -what I there are several, much more options!?!?), it's not possible for the developers to install a dedicated database (so you have to make it "in the cloud") -yeah!!!! It's SO stupid on a MOBILE phone, as there often is the possibility that you're NOT online, or with GPRS or EDGE only -and it is SO funny if you're in a train and all 5 secondy it switsh from G to E to G3 to G to HSDPA. The last ****! :-(
The IE on it often don't work. Hmmm -let's use Opera. Uuuh -damned -I forget: you can't install ANYTHING!!!
OK -exceptional jailbreak, but I never did it before, and I don't want it -but I HAVE to do it, if I want to USE my phone.
I think it's better to reactivate my HD2 -there is ALL functionable, without any problems. And: it contains much data that i need -and there is NO possibilty to migrate SMS (i.e.) to WP7 -VERY poor performance Microsoft!!!!
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wow where to start. this is probably the most ignorant post I've read on here thus far and with poor grammar at that. my arrive has had wonderful performance since the day I got it and it has improved even further since I installed the mango beta. the live tiles are awesome makes android and iOS seem like nothing but app launchers, the whole concept of apps is overrated and I can do a lot of things without having to even launch an app. and IE9 runs circes around opera. especially the one on WM.
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wow where to start. this is probably the most ignorant post I've read on here thus far and with poor grammar at that. my arrive has had wonderful performance since the day I got it and it has improved even further since I installed the mango beta. the live tiles are awesome makes android and iOS seem like nothing but app launchers, the whole concept of apps is overrated and I can do a lot of things without having to even launch an app. and IE9 runs circes around opera. especially the one on WM.
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Hmmm... It's not the performance that is question. But, it's functionality. Migrating from WM6.5 to WP7 should, at least I thought, have been compatible, eg. SMS, Connection settings (WiFi, Phone...), Contact (I've had to do it the old fashion way, by typing contacts manual / an then I found out about sync with WLive ).
It feels like I have powerful thing (excellent hardware), but it does non better than Nokia 3310. Just raw speed, for basic things.
Hi eric -I'm not a native speaker (english) -but give us some probes from your netherlands, german and french
But as I can see, you're able to read what I wrote, and thats what matter.
But back to topic: What sense is in a phone that is unusable in much functions DIRECTLY. For everyone -not just for people which have the time, the skills und of course the desire to make an jailbreak (which causes lost of guarantee), rebuild the phone several times, have so read several manuals, howtos and search for betas, previews.
I'd tried the Desire Z (just because of the same why I buy the 7 Pro -it's a type & touch) -and send it bach 2 days later to amazon. It's exactly what you wrote: just app-launchers! I hate apple., because of their "we tell you what to do" -and with WP7 it cames to me. I don't wanna do a jailbreak -but I didn't have an alternative (if I want to USE the phone) :-(
Maybee other people have the possibility and time to try the mango beta -and it seems that I MUST do it, or I have to sell the phone (what will make me very sad -a VERY good piece of hardware!!)
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Hi eric -I'm not a native speaker (english) -but give us some probes from your netherlands, german and french
But as I can see, you're able to read what I wrote, and thats what matter.
But back to topic: What sense is in a phone that is unusable in much functions DIRECTLY. For everyone -not just for people which have the time, the skills und of course the desire to make an jailbreak (which causes lost of guarantee), rebuild the phone several times, have so read several manuals, howtos and search for betas, previews.
I'd tried the Desire Z (just because of the same why I buy the 7 Pro -it's a type & touch) -and send it bach 2 days later to amazon. It's exactly what you wrote: just app-launchers! I hate apple., because of their "we tell you what to do" -and with WP7 it cames to me. I don't wanna do a jailbreak -but I didn't have an alternative (if I want to USE the phone) :-(
Maybee other people have the possibility and time to try the mango beta -and it seems that I MUST do it, or I have to sell the phone (what will make me very sad -a VERY good piece of hardware!!)
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odd,i didn't have to do any of that when I got my Arrive. just open the box, enter my live ID and I was good to go. wp7 is not an app launcher as almost everything can be done without even having to go into an app. with the mango beta which is easy to install i can identify a song that's playing, a product for the best price,get directions somewhere (even in malls),find something to do in the area, buy movie tickets,search the web and watch html5 videos in HD quality,check my Facebook,chat on Facebook and check in. and many other things. install the mango beta and u'll feel much better about it.
Hold on. The core of any smartphone are applications. Staring with earliest versions of WM, Symbian, iOS, Android, Droid, WP7, they all the same with a final porpoise, and that is an application/s.
Therefore calling other systems "apps launcher" is contradiction. Because doing anything with a WP7 is being done via apps. Home screen is, just as in any other mobile system, a pile of shortcuts with a weather and the clock. The truth is that some systems are doing it, app launching, better than the others.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
With all of its hardware, as WP7 requires to run, this phone, or any WP7, will in the future be something good.
If you've played with WP7 enough, you'll find that the live tiles really preclude you from needing to actually launch the associated apps unnecessarily. Because of this, the commenter was calling the other Mobile OS versions more of an "app launcher" because, in general, you need to launch the app to interact with it. (Google has widgets, but those widgets aren't quite the same.) With WP7, you can glance-and-go (one of the tenants that MS imparted into the Metro design) and only launch apps when there is a required interaction. It really is a different approach, and one that I think works very well.
Please give some comparison for WP7 and other mobile OS (mOS).
As hard as I try, and I do like to play around with WP7, I just can't find anything that makes WP7 better than other mOS.
Eg. When email or SMS arrive, on WP7s homescreen shows a count of these items, and on the other hand, Symbian do just the same. So, where is the difference?
So far, the only thing that is obviously better are things-apps that have something to do with the internet (Windows Live, Email, Internet Explorer, Youtube) or with the 1GHz processor (apps do work better with stronger processor, so by having stronger processor apps work better and it isn't because of WP7).
you sound like you're determined to be underwhelmed by wp7. yes, when you get an SMS, the homescreen tells you that you have one....that's what phones do. What more is there for a phone to do with an sms?
WP7 is highly innovative from a UI standpoint. What you seem to be interested in, however, is the menu-heavy micromanaging style of old school winmo. If you want to be able to micromanage every last little thing about your phone go to a different platform. WP7 does everything it is purported to do, if you are not getting what you wanted, then you didn't do your homework before you dropped god-knows-how-much on a phone. these days, it's not about which platform is better, it's about preference. It's getting to the point where every platform can do all the really important things really well. so how do you want your phone to look? that's what you're buying.
Don't get me wrong, but what you are saying is what I've been saying. That is, WP7 as any other mOS is not new in functionality but it is different in GUI. Other qualities are not available to be seen, since there are no apps which can show it.
For now, WP7, only offers basic features.
I have been wondering the same thing since the 1 st rumors of windows phone 7 but still a no go. Its ironic ms stripped away so many of the things that made wm only to get beat out by the former clone of themselves....android. I love the form the tp2 & wish they wouldve released an hd2 with a keyboard. They shouldve stripped the name windows,hired a special team that managed themes system wide so that u have eye candy without it being resource heavy & hired a marketing team that would make apple & google have nightmares.
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I have been wondering the same thing since the 1 st rumors of windows phone 7 but still a no go. Its ironic ms stripped away so many of the things that made wm only to get beat out by the former clone of themselves....android. I love the form the tp2 & wish they wouldve released an hd2 with a keyboard. They shouldve stripped the name windows,hired a special team that managed themes system wide so that u have eye candy without it being resource heavy & hired a marketing team that would make apple & google have nightmares.
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that's what they are doing with the mango update that's near release and the beta is already out and I find that im able to do just as much if not more than WM6.5 and android (former TP2 owner and loved it, had an EVO **** for a week and hated it).
Hi,
I followed eric12341's suggestion and have the mango-beta installed (and have buyed a developer account, to make side-loads possible). And some things were better (slow was it not before -hey, it have a 1GHz CPU, it HAVE to be fast ), but there are so many things which waste time. If I want to have a (exact) look of charging, I have to go through some menue-points. As I often in transit by railways, I have to set date several times, and the WM-calendar (and to set the time) is MUCH more effective, as I didnt't have to use the annoying slider-gadgets. Maybe it looks nice, but it waste much time. Before it was just 3 tips, no it's an orgy -the possebility to change the style would be great! And local database for apps -to find the connecting-train while you have no network (and EVERY thing have to be found over network when you want to set start and target of you travel, because of the impossebillity of local databases) is a horror! Before: 10 seconds, now 3 minutes -or longer, as often there is no network in the train. :-(
And unfortunately many very good (sideload)-apps will not longer work after mango. And when I can make a backup from my data, if I want to upgrade memory, or have to change it (because of defectivs, i.e.). And not all of my friend have Zune installed, but they have good music, pdf's or anything else for me. The next thing I was wondering: why I can only set my own ringtons for calling? What'a about SMS, email, and so on?? ^^
Sorry for the bad english -hope it was not to hard to read. :-(
Groby, thanks for the info. I was looking for some info about Mango.
Navigating via online updating is absolutely annoying. It takes for ever to download map, and there are no detailed maps, but only hi-ways and few byways.
I looks like this operating system is way out from it's time, for about good year or so.
If developers could make downgrade to WM 6.x, it would make this phone a dream.