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Other than the stock rom most of these other roms have very tinny audio when on calls. I have noticed that the sound through the headphone jack in my car sounds ok.
I am asking the devs on here to please take a close look at this for the community.
Running cm7 with oc kernel
Amen. Praisethe10chars
I am getting frustrated beyond belief with the Inspire. I am about ready to put everything back to stock and return it.
I am running CM7, it runs great, but I can not stand the tinny call quality. I have flashed different radios, and still nothing.
Very frustrated.
I'll guess I'll hold off for now. Using a phone for work with little to no sound doesn't sound like to much fun.
I am still running stock and the sound is fine... so basically the problems are all related to shoehorned kernels. Wait till source is released in a few weeks and I am sure the problems will be resolved.
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.
The source may not be released in just a few weeks...it could take quite longer, maybe up to 90 days. :/
Sent from my Inspire 4G.
Stock but rooted? I thought that left no sound
hololight said:
I am still running stock and the sound is fine... so basically the problems are all related to shoehorned kernels. Wait till source is released in a few weeks and I am sure the problems will be resolved.
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.
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The source may not be released in just a few weeks...it could take quite longer, maybe up to 90 days. :/
Sent from my Inspire 4G.
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The kernel source was released yesterday by HTC, that is why you are seeing different kernels and ROMs in this forum now. I'm sure the devs are looking at this long and hard for a solution.
Ok I need more explaination on the "tiny" sound issue. Is it a volume level issue or something else. I'm familiar with fixing kernel sound issues on the captivate i can take a look at source to see what I can find but I need a better description of the issue. I'm currently still running stock do to the fact that i'm enjoying sense and haven't had the time to do the root process yet(so no sound issue for me), but I can still rummage through source and see what I can come up with.
It's almost a hollow sound for me. And I get echo of what I say through the earpiece from time to time.
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Ok I need more explaination on the "tiny" sound issue. Is it a volume level issue or something else. I'm familiar with fixing kernel sound issues on the captivate i can take a look at source to see what I can find but I need a better description of the issue. I'm currently still running stock do to the fact that i'm enjoying sense and haven't had the time to do the root process yet(so no sound issue for me), but I can still rummage through source and see what I can come up with.
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Think of a combination of a low-frequency 1980's cordless phone combined with the calling experience through skype\google voice over 3G. It's a highly digitized sounding call experience, both on speakerphone and earpiece.
ok so its quality not volume. So that would probably mean radio kernel interfacing I'll look into it.
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ok so its quality not volume. So that would probably mean radio kernel interfacing I'll look into it.
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Correct, in fact, volume is GREAT, it's just the garbled\digitized sound. It'll crank plenty loud till it really distorts, so volume is good.
UPDATE: contrary to what a couple others have said, it's still distorted when using an external headphone.... not as noticable as using the phone's speaker or earpiece, but distorted more so than stock, for sure.
Thank you for looking into it for us.
Chrisryn is on the case folks. He's good. The Andromeda ROM he was on for the Captivate is what kept me from tossing it out the window.
Now we just need to get the rest of the team on Inspires. Andromeda for Inspire please?
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ok so its quality not volume. So that would probably mean radio kernel interfacing I'll look into it.
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Very cool. Thanks for looking into this. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. I am more than happy to be a guinea pig.
from what i gathered, it isn't a a kernel issue, so much as issues with the dolby information.
if 100% sound is important, use attn1s stock rooted rom. i keep a nandroid of it for when i need to use my phone as my mp3 player. otherwise, i'm running CM7.
also, jasonyump has a few audio fix tests for people to try.
mattbollenbach said:
from what i gathered, it isn't a a kernel issue, so much as issues with the dolby information.
if 100% sound is important, use attn1s stock rooted rom. i keep a nandroid of it for when i need to use my phone as my mp3 player. otherwise, i'm running CM7.
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I'm still looking for this answer: If I use this "stock ATT ROM" will I lose my HSUPA or has that been enabled on THIS stock rom?
This is my number one complaint with all the custome ROMS is the "tinny" sound. Thank you so much for looking into this
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The kernel source was released yesterday by HTC, that is why you are seeing different kernels and ROMs in this forum now. I'm sure the devs are looking at this long and hard for a solution.
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Wasn't that source the Desire HD kernel source, which is different from the Inspire kernel source as far as audio goes?
Sent from my Inspire 4G.
I am starting this thread as I work through the sound issue. I will be doing trouble shooting and tracking of testing here as I do my root cause analysis. Do to my work schedule I will need help from the community on ruling out the cause and getting down to the bottom of the sound issue.
So step 1 is to try and narrow down the cause. I have some ideas but need some testing first.
So here is what we know.
1. Sound is fine at stock
2. DHD roms don't have any audio with out custom kernel
3. Sound quality is bad on DHD roms with custom kernels to enable audio.
What I need to know to start.
1. Is sound ok on stock rom with custom kernel (2 confirmed audio fine on custom kernel with stock rom)
2. If using stock kernel on DHD rom is all audio gone or just for phone calls(still need to know this)
Start of testing
Again due to my time limits as of right now I am gonna have to rely on the community for my testing.(I do apologize).
I'm downloading Android revolution to look at whats in the zip after that I will be posting some more things to test. I have some ideas as to what the problem is. Unfortunatly lunch is over for me so back to work. Check back I will be updating again in a couple of hours.
If any one is willing to help please look into testing those 2 things.
I am pouring through the kernel source in the little bit of free time I have.
I will be handling this like I would an issue at work so some my be monotonous but thats how I work. So bear with me and we'll get this issue sorted out.
Also if some one would like to create a public google docs to allow people to post rom, kernel, and state of sound with that setup that to would be great. Hopefully work will slow down soon so I can devote more time. Also anybody else currently looking into sound fix can post ideas, info and test here to help keep the forums from getting cluttered from the same type of post, but thats up to you.
I'll flash the kernel over my stock rom and let you know. Stand by
# 1 is true, I used Bumble-Bee's kernel on attn1's stock rooted rom and the sound was perfect. Zero distortion in calls or audio playback through headphones. I am using some high end equipment to listen, so I would hear distortion if it was there. No idea on # 2, however.
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# 1 is true, I used Bumble-Bee's kernel on attn1's stock rooted rom and the sound was perfect. Zero distortion in calls or audio playback through headphones. I am using some high end equipment to listen, so I would hear distortion if it was there. No idea on # 2, however.
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Ok if thats true then we should be able to rule out kernel. That means its something in the rom. Ok lets get a few more test in and rule that out before I move on to the next idea.
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razor_blade said:
# 1 is true, I used Bumble-Bee's kernel on attn1's stock rooted rom and the sound was perfect. Zero distortion in calls or audio playback through headphones. I am using some high end equipment to listen, so I would hear distortion if it was there. No idea on # 2, however.
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Ok if thats true then we should be able to rule out kernel. That means its something in the rom.
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I've heard it may be the lib files being out of date on DHD ROM's. I can't vouch for it, but it does seam reasonable.
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razor_blade said:
# 1 is true, I used Bumble-Bee's kernel on attn1's stock rooted rom and the sound was perfect. Zero distortion in calls or audio playback through headphones. I am using some high end equipment to listen, so I would hear distortion if it was there. No idea on # 2, however.[/QUOTE
Ok if thats true then we should be able to rule out kernel. That means its something in the rom. Ok lets get a few more test in and rule that out before I move on to the next idea.
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Before making this statement, can we get someone else to verify please?
Verification from one person is good, two (or more) is better.
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chrisryn said:
Before making this statement, can we get someone else to verify please?
Verification from one person is good, two (or more) is better.
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exactly thats why I stated lets get a few more test before we rule that out in post # 4.
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Interesting.
Stock Kernel Audio fine
Stock ROM with Apache14's Buzz Sense 1.30 Overclocked to 1.2 GHZ Audio sounds the same as Stock kernel and audio.
I rooted using attn1 hack but flashed the Revolution HD ROM .14 first. Sound seemed a little iffy, but not too bad. I then flashed Revolution HD ROM .15 Mike just released and the sound seems pretty good when I call my voicemail.
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Interesting.
Stock Kernel Audio fine
Stock ROM with Apache14's Buzz Sense 1.30 Overclocked to 1.2 GHZ Audio sounds the same as Stock kernel and audio.
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Confirming what I said. Same exact setup.
The sound issues are not in the kernel. They're in the csv files. We're looking at it. But they aren't compatible with DHD roms. They kill the mic.
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The sound issues are not in the kernel. They're in the csv files. We're looking at it. But they aren't compatible with DHD roms. They kill the mic.
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are we sure there in the cvs and which ones are you speaking of.
So when sound "breaks", do the Dolby Mobile and SRS effects become unselectable on the HTC music player? Does selecting them do nothing to the audio? Or do they work just fine? Are those functions built in as simply an audio enhancement or something deeper?
Sent from my Inspire 4G.
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are we sure there in the cvs and which ones are you speaking of.
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Yes I'm sure.
There is no difference in the AIC3254_reg.csv files, there is a differnce in AIC3254_REG_DualMic.csv plus stock has an additional files AIC3254_REG_Dualmic_MCLK.csv and AIV3254_REG_XD.csv
Ok for a test some one do this on a DHD rom with sound issues
Download this zip and push the three files there to system/etc
DL link http://www.mediafire.com/?p1oiiqo26c5z37j
Be sure to backup the AIC3254_REG_DualMic.csv before pushing so you can revert back by removing the three files and pushing your backup back.
See if that fixes.
Again sorry for not being able to test myself atm.
Using CM7 RC1 DHD with attn1's kernel installed, after installing your files I hear no noticeable differences in sound quality.
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Using CM7 RC1 DHD with attn1's kernel installed, after installing your files I hear no noticeable differences in sound quality.
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I think these fixes are for Sense based ROM's, right?
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I think these fixes are for Sense based ROM's, right?
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You are correct I haven't downloaded cm7 to check file differences there.
Edit: I have found some more difference related to sound. I will attach to this post. There is a directory called soundimage in system/etc that needs to be replaced and all other files moved to system/etc as before. This is for DHD sense roms. Might work on cm7 not sure at this time.
I would have to think that the audio quality issue has to do with AMR-HR and AMR-FR codecs, no?
ROM: HTC Inspire 4G 2.0.15
Replaced files on my phone with files from the sound.zip file. Definitely sure that the original was deleted before pushing the replacements.
No noticeable difference in audio quality through phone speaker, or Mic when I leave myself a voicemail.
Is it possible to take a stock kernel and fix just the volume without any other mods? This phone is perfect for the way I use a phone, except the volume is low. I wear hearing aids in both ears and having a little more volume would be great. I know there are custom kernels that have the audio boost in them, but they also have a lot of other things added to and I don't need any thing except the increased volume
capman231
Its possible, but what's the point if all the extra things help, but not hurt anything. Just don't use the overclock, you'll never even know besides the fact your phone will be faster and get better battery.
So dilligaf which one are u talking about
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
just ask one of the devs to compile you a stock kernel with only the audio boost. one of them i'm sure would be nice enough to do it. maybe a tiny donation would push them along.
Thanks fellows for the replys. I just want the stock kernel with nothing but the audio boost and as Roger suggested, I will PM a couple of the developers and see if they can do one for a "Donation". It shouldn't be a major challenge because several of them have it already in their Kernels.
capman231
Getting ready to compile, no donation required(unless you really want to)
Dilligaf your the $hit
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here it is. stock, sound boost(all outputs, including headphones). 4.4.4 toolchain
let me know if its too much sound boost. its what im using in my latest kernel.
should still be a little faster than stock too.
dilligaf thank you and I will donate something to the cause. My only problem with the inspire is my hearing impairment (Hearing aids in both ears). I miss almost all of my calls and all of my E-Mail and text notifications. How much louder does your mod make the phone's notifications and ring tones? I hope it's a big improvement because I like this phone and want to keep it.
capman231
25% boost. Any higher and it may start getting distorted, dsp manager can maybe help a little with that, but you need to replace some libs for it to work. I'll make a zip if you want, I'm gonna do some testing with it myself.
edit- do you use any of the TTY or HAC options? if so, theres some sound settings i could increase for those that i saw in the kernel source.
With that much boost, if I can't hear it I won't never be able to hear it. Do you think it would ba smart to have the DSP just in case? Let me know what you find in your testing and I will download it when you get it tested.
capman231
The HAC doesn't work, HTC told me they know about it and it will be fixed in the Gingerbread update coming this quarter. The HAC works on an incoming call but the party on the other end can't hear me. Haven't tried TTY yet.
I am new to this, I downloader the kernel, now what?
I am new to this, I downloaded the sound fix, now what?
Flash it. If your that new, I suggest reading up.
I installed dsp manager and all it did was turn off all sound on my phone. Noone could hear me in calls and had no notification sounds at all. I had to do a full wipe and flash a different rom to get sound back cause it wouldnt come back with just a full wipe and factory reset with that current rom.
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Read this thread, I posted that if you install dsp manager, some libs have to be changed out or it won't work. It's just a couple posts above yours
Nothing against di11igaf, cause his rom's are great, but Inspired Saga is the loudest rom I've used.
Not sure what the HAC status is on that rom, but it is a Gingerbread rom from a Desire S.
thanks somuch for the kernal
would your sound boost work with something other than a stock rom?
I decided to put this in the developer forum because i really feel like this is a problem with the roms/tweaks and needs to be looked into.
If the moderators thing otherwise i am sorry then.
I have been getting complaints with friends over the fact that i come in muffed. When i plug in the headphones that came with the phone to talk they say there is a big increase in clarity. They say when i am muffled they really need to focus to understand what i am saying. I decided to try a few different roms and surprisingly the quality has been different. I have used the same radio in every rom test as follows:
Radio : 10.56.9035.00P_10.14.9035.01_M (This should be the newest TMO OTA radio)
Roms:
Android Revolution HD 3.0.1 (Initial Rom i had. Very Muffled. No dual core patch.)
Android Revolution HD 3.0.3 (Upgraded to this one wondering if it will be fixed. Same muffledness. Had dual core patch)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
Stock TMOUS 2.3.3 - rooted/de-odexed(This had almost no muffleness, was the clearest of them)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207410
Stock TMOUS 2.3.4 - rooted/de-odexed (This was almost as good Stock 2.3.3. Very hard to tell the dif)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226686
Superlite *v1.3* by HTCCLAY (Very bad muffling again)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229073
InsertCoin Sense Android 2.3.4 Stable 2.3.0 (Medium Amount of muffleness)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198684
http://insertcoinrom.blogspot.com/search/label/pyramid
In all cases the headphones preformed the same amount. They were pretty clear and really helped the muffleness except in the case of insertcoin. The headphones also seemed to have a slight amount of muffleness to them, the difference between headphones and mic was slight.
I have seen other posts about this issue but no clear explaination or dirrection in trying to fix them. I hope this jump starts stuff.
It seems the more modified roms are the ones experiencing the issue... but obviously this isnt the most comprehensive testing.
I did these test over the course of 3 hours with my brother. He stayed in his room in the house and i stepped outside on the sidewalk in the same place every time. Wifi calling was NOT used.
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Found these posts where people report similar issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17093923
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225452
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16580966
i tried ARHD and IC2.3.0 - no muffled voice from my end. in fact, it was crystal clear. IMO if you've plugged in your earpiece and it sounds ok on the other end, then there's a high chance its the set's microphone thats faulty.
i suggest switching back to stock rom (S-on etc) and see how it goes. if its still muffled, its time to go for warranty
Have moved this to the General forum (for the time being at least).
You'll need to find out if other Sensation users have the same problem. I haven't had anyone tell me they have trouble hearing me with any custom ROMs.
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i tried ARHD and IC2.3.0 - no muffled voice from my end. in fact, it was crystal clear. IMO if you've plugged in your earpiece and it sounds ok on the other end, then there's a high chance its the set's microphone thats faulty.
i suggest switching back to stock rom (S-on etc) and see how it goes. if its still muffled, its time to go for warranty
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Well i have tried the stock roms and its been reported to sound alot better.
It would be nice if we had that multiboot thing going on our phones lol
And i didnt try S-On again because i heard it runs the risk of bricking....
I have the same problem except if I was to call someone, my voice to them would sound like garbage. Obviously its noticeable as well cause they will tell me they can't hear me and it sounds like crap.
For me,
Roms that have this:
Android Revolution
Senseless
Roms that don't:
Virtuous(currently on)
i had those "garbage" sounds on almost every phone i owned accept for the Nokia 5210 and below Its telco problem not the phone.
phones with garbage sound (that i have owned) : BB9800, iPhone2/3/4, Desire, E72
@yajinni - have you tried switching phone with your brother ? let him use the "muffled" phone instead. it 'could' be the way you hold it
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@yajinni - have you tried switching phone with your brother ? let him use the "muffled" phone instead. it 'could' be the way you hold it
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Its worth a try i guess but if it does do that its retarded. I use android because i hate apple but i get the same issues as them? lol
Will test with more roms and will try Virtuous when i get the chance. Are you using 1.3?
Hi all,
I am rather new moving from a HD2 to a sensation now... May I just ask if it is normal for Sense 3.5 ROMs to give you a low in-call volume... on top of that, there is this robotic/metallic sound when i hear my friend speak to me...
I didn't stay on stock long enough so I cannot remember if the stock had this issue...
What are the chances of this being a hardware issue?
Hi all,
Please take some time to read this cuz I reverted back to stock and all, but it proved that it wasn't a hardware issue. I was and am using Insertcoin sense v3.3.7 and it has low in call volume. No one able to replicate this?