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Is there instructions on creating a post-flash (or hard reset) install script? I'd like to have it run the cingular WAP cab, and maybe a couple others. I think I've been all over, but haven't seen anything...
Thanks!
Also - does anyone have a package or cab for camera 3.3???
Hi Matt... there are a couple of options...
First off, you could go the route that Faria does in his kitchen - effectively an Extended ROM folder under Windows. When the ROM install has finished and you've done the screen align, it runs the Extended ROM contents - just like the customisations you get in most operator ROMs. The advantage of doing it from a subfolder under Windows is that it works for G4 users as well as G3.
The other alternative is to actually flash your Extended ROM (this is what I've done, as mine is G3).
With the right files in Windows and Windows\Startup (CheckAutoRun.exe and CheckAutoRun.lnk respectively) and the registry entries set up for the appropriate location (I can tell you what these need to be), it will run no problem.
Is this what you're looking for? Faria also has a nice couple of utils that run during customisation and let you choose which operator's settings (GPRS and MMS) you wish to install. I guess these just run the appropriate CAB file based on your choice.
I am happy to help you set this up if it would be of assistance, having spent the last couple of days trying to get all this stuff up and running.
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Hi Matt... there are a couple of options...
First off, you could go the route that Faria does in his kitchen - effectively an Extended ROM folder under Windows. When the ROM install has finished and you've done the screen align, it runs the Extended ROM contents - just like the customisations you get in most operator ROMs. The advantage of doing it from a subfolder under Windows is that it works for G4 users as well as G3.
The other alternative is to actually flash your Extended ROM (this is what I've done, as mine is G3).
With the right files in Windows and Windows\Startup (CheckAutoRun.exe and CheckAutoRun.lnk respectively) and the registry entries set up for the appropriate location (I can tell you what these need to be), it will run no problem.
Is this what you're looking for? Faria also has a nice couple of utils that run during customisation and let you choose which operator's settings (GPRS and MMS) you wish to install. I guess these just run the appropriate CAB file based on your choice.
I am happy to help you set this up if it would be of assistance, having spent the last couple of days trying to get all this stuff up and running.
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It sounds like your first point is what I was looking for - but up till now I've avoided adding / manipulating the extended rom to prevent issues related to it's use. I guess I'll have to cross that bridge sooner than later!
Is there a "howto" anywhere on it? I'd like to add the option for users to select post installation packages to run, in a nice and "foolproof" way - such as themes, WAP cabs, or whatever. Kinda like "drop your post install cabs in this folder" and it'll go ahead and add them during the rom build, then execute the install after flashing.
Thanks!
mattk_r said:
It sounds like your first point is what I was looking for - but up till now I've avoided adding / manipulating the extended rom to prevent issues related to it's use. I guess I'll have to cross that bridge sooner than later!
Is there a "howto" anywhere on it? I'd like to add the option for users to select post installation packages to run, in a nice and "foolproof" way - such as themes, WAP cabs, or whatever. Kinda like "drop your post install cabs in this folder" and it'll go ahead and add them during the rom build, then execute the install after flashing.
Thanks!
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search lol i'll try and dig it up for you since i should probably do the same thing
try this of course editing it to where you want it to point:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
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search lol i'll try and dig it up for you since i should probably do the same thing
try this of course editing it to where you want it to point:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
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I just found this link that has an extended rom in it. It makes a lot of sense, especially the txt file that directs the installation and then initiates a reset. Getting warmer!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309922
So here's what I'm thinking - just initial thoughts:
Have a folder with the base applications that are used every time like AutoRun.exe.
The user places the cab(s) in the "add files to ext rom" folder.
They run an exe that reads the directory file contents, verifies file type, copies the files to the extended rom folder, and displays the list. I'd write it in VB, since I'm most comfortable with file system operations in that language...
They change the list based on the order they want them installed using up and down arrows to sort priority.
The click OK, and it creates the config.txt file, including all necessary commands such as reset and whatnot.
That way when they build, it's all good to go.
Any thoughts?
Slightly off topic but does anyone have a .CAB for TomTom6 (or know how to edit/make one) that doesn't require user input during the installation?
I am not looking for a hacked version of TomTom, just how to prevent it asking me where to install. .CABs that run from the Extended ROM can't ask for user input or it will crash the extended ROM installation as we know; I just don't know how to edit the ttn.cab to stop it asking.
Thanks
Andy
Hi Matt,
It does sound like the first option is the best - it's also the only way to get G4 compatibility. I think your idea to write a VB app is a good one - let the user choose which CABs to install to ExtRom, but I think u need to be very clear what you want to achieve. As this `ExtRom` is not actually in the proper extended Rom, but just a folder under Windows, you gain nothing really by installing programs from here, best just keeping it for operator specific settings and such.
The other issue with extended Rom installations, of any type, is that the config file must run to completion. if you put in cab files that require user input, the install will fail (at least from a proper extRom, maybe ok in this scenario, I don't know); likewise cabs that require or initiate a soft reset will cause an ExtRom install to crash. So, this sorts of limits what cabs can be used. mine puts in personal reg settings; no operator settings as I use wifi not gprs or mms.
Also - and I hope I'm not out of line here, or misunderstanding you - Faria has something that does exactly what u need in his fake ExtRom... u cld always ask him nicely for use of it, or r u looking forward to the coding?
My only other thought is the extra support burden a complex fake extrom scenario would generate, especially if ppl don't understand its purpose and stick stuff in that causes problems...
I hope this has made some sense - past my bedtime and I'm knackered LOL. Just my 2 cents, y'know?
Good work and all the best
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Hi Matt,
It does sound like the first option is the best - it's also the only way to get G4 compatibility. I think your idea to write a VB app is a good one - let the user choose which CABs to install to ExtRom, but I think u need to be very clear what you want to achieve. As this `ExtRom` is not actually in the proper extended Rom, but just a folder under Windows, you gain nothing really by installing programs from here, best just keeping it for operator specific settings and such.
The other issue with extended Rom installations, of any type, is that the config file must run to completion. if you put in cab files that require user input, the install will fail (at least from a proper extRom, maybe ok in this scenario, I don't know); likewise cabs that require or initiate a soft reset will cause an ExtRom install to crash. So, this sorts of limits what cabs can be used. mine puts in personal reg settings; no operator settings as I use wifi not gprs or mms.
Also - and I hope I'm not out of line here, or misunderstanding you - Faria has something that does exactly what u need in his fake ExtRom... u cld always ask him nicely for use of it, or r u looking forward to the coding?
My only other thought is the extra support burden a complex fake extrom scenario would generate, especially if ppl don't understand its purpose and stick stuff in that causes problems...
I hope this has made some sense - past my bedtime and I'm knackered LOL. Just my 2 cents, y'know?
Good work and all the best
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That's really good info, because I'm climbing the learning curve as fast as I can here to get a good grasp on what the extended rom is, as well as how to use it. I appreciate the conditional warnings... better to know ahead of time than find out following a problem.
I'd rather use the true extended rom (as I understand it anyway), so I don't loose any additional space for the BuildOS programs. That is, assuming the extended rom is a seperate memory location than the base...
In another thread, someone is going to post that tool. I'm really interested in how it works.
If I can get all the concepts together, I hope to get a solid tool that will improve functionality in the ROM, without adding complexity or trouble... and I greatly appreciate the help!
Interesting thread...guys, you just gave me some new ideas.
Before that...there's one thing that's bothering me...
Can we use ExtendedRom on a G4 or not...lol I thought not, until me an Boto made a clean one from a G4 ExtRom and when Boto flashed it it worked , and he has a G4. Why we always say that we don't use an Extended Rom for G4 users ?
Normaly, a G4 should/would brick when flashing IPL/SPL not Extended Rom, am I right ?
We are shrinking the OS space to integrate features of the ExtendedRom in order to all people use it but is it that true ?
Ok, now back to my idea .. I want that in my next rom to include an extended rom, of course and make it that way so when you first start your PDA, it will act like when installing windows on the PC , asking you which apps or what options you want to use. I think i can manage to do that...still the question remains ...will G4 users be able to use it ?
Sorry for the delay writing back... I've been over in the G4 subforum trying to find out if they can flash Extended Rom. Some ppl have reported success using Faria's tutorial. Hopefully this is the case - what u said about IPL/SPL flashing is right, this seems to be a real problem, but if u can flash a radio-only Rom, why not Extended Rom?
What did u and Boto flash onto his G4? Blank Extrom or a cooked one?
Perhaps what we need is a guinea pig to try this out for us...!
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Sorry for the delay writing back... I've been over in the G4 subforum trying to find out if they can flash Extended Rom. Some ppl have reported success using Faria's tutorial. Hopefully this is the case - what u said about IPL/SPL flashing is right, this seems to be a real problem, but if u can flash a radio-only Rom, why not Extended Rom?
What did u and Boto flash onto his G4? Blank Extrom or a cooked one?
Perhaps what we need is a guinea pig to try this out for us...!
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I took the Ext Rom from the Wizard Love Rom and i edited the config.txt and deleted cabs ...that's it
Well, if it flashed OK... sounds like it might be usable after all But tell me, is Boto's G4 CID locked or unlocked? It's all very uncertain, but some of the G4 posts lead me to believe this may make a difference
ADB100 said:
Slightly off topic but does anyone have a .CAB for TomTom6 (or know how to edit/make one) that doesn't require user input during the installation?
I am not looking for a hacked version of TomTom, just how to prevent it asking me where to install. .CABs that run from the Extended ROM can't ask for user input or it will crash the extended ROM installation as we know; I just don't know how to edit the ttn.cab to stop it asking.
Thanks
Andy
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All I did for TomTom is install as normal and then copy the Navigator directory and My Documents\TomTomto my storage card where the maps, postcodes etc. are located. After any ROM upgrade all I need to do is create a shortcut in the start menu pointing at \Storage Card\Navigator\TomTom Navigator.exe No user input needed other than to pair the bluetooth gps and define a serial port.Hope this helps, it has worked for me after every change in ROM which has been quite a lot recently.
wizzzard said:
All I did for TomTom is install as normal and then copy the Navigator directory and My Documents\TomTomto my storage card where the maps, postcodes etc. are located. After any ROM upgrade all I need to do is create a shortcut in the start menu pointing at \Storage Card\Navigator\TomTom Navigator.exe No user input needed other than to pair the bluetooth gps and define a serial port.Hope this helps, it has worked for me after every change in ROM which has been quite a lot recently.
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Thanks for that but it isn't what I was really after.... I am just trying to automate everything. I have flashed my ROM that many times recently and going through the install of TomTom each time is a bit of a pain. I have got a couple of .CABs in the Extended ROM OK and these work fine, I just thought it would be nice if I could get TomTom in there as well.
Andy
I didn't want this to turn into a "how-to" thread, but I'm still scratching for hard info on the extended rom, and as many questions out there, it might be a good one to clarify some details...
As I understand it now, there's two forms of "extended ROM":
1. The true extended rom "similar to the radio ROM"
There is some "trigger" that runs the contents of the extended rom, such as AutoRun.exe?
2. The 'psuedo' extended rom that is basically a post install script to run cabs.
The contents of the folder under windows are run from a trigger that resides in the startup folder - similar to a runonce in Windows on first boot?
Does this sound close?
Also, where does the 'true' extended rom reside? Does it use the portion of memory reserved for the OS, or is there another portion just for it? (so if by adding applications to the extended rom, your available storage memory will remain unchanged - less the installed application?)
I'm presuming then by the 'psuedo' extended rom, that it does consume ROM space, but simplifies post-flash cab installations - assuming you follow the rules...
From what I see, by using the 'psuedo' ER, you waste space by keeping the installation files in addition to the installed application files.
If I'm wasting space and time by asking these questions and you know of a good extended rom tutorial, please direct me to it. I have spend some time tonight searching, but a definitive guide still eludes me... Thanks!
Sorry, coming into this thread late, but you have seen this thread, right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=968417
While it may not directly answer some of the questions, the tools and info in the tutorial may shed some light on this subject (or give you a direction to start digging further).
mfrazzz said:
Sorry, coming into this thread late, but you have seen this thread, right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=968417
While it may not directly answer some of the questions, the tools and info in the tutorial may shed some light on this subject (or give you a direction to start digging further).
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OMG, I'm getting senile... I came across this months ago, but at that point didn't know what I was looking at... and didn't see it just now in any stickies... thanks man.
mattk_r said:
OMG, I'm getting senile... I came across this months ago, but at that point didn't know what I was looking at... and didn't see it just now in any stickies... thanks man.
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Yeah, never figured out why that one was never made a sticky. I just know to go look at Faria's sig and it (and a few other good links) are in there
Sorry if this is another noobish question, but since I've been experimenting with cooking in the CORE Kitchen lately, I was wondering, are the files in the SYS and OEM parts of the kitchen interchangeable? I've been recently trying to use the ingenetic's rom to install the basic options that I would like (I don't use bt, so most of those features aren't needed), and noticed that some information appears to be in the SYS folder by default when dumping the rom.
an example would be something like the comm manager, which appears to already have some files in the SYS folder, but there was an htc option to click off on build os, since i think the oem package had it listed (part of the oem package download in the same thread as the kitchen). also the files for office appear to be pre-existing in the sys folder, so was wondering if the build os checkbox meant anything...
I've tried cooking roms with the options checked off and on and haven't noticed any differences, because the roms usually ended up being built and flashable, but the roms always came out screwed up. (office shortcuts would not appear, although they could be run from the \windows directory or an option to put the date information on 1 line didn't work).
I'll probably try to figure out how to use faria's kitchen and try to make the same mods, since it looks like the cookers themselves seem to have been using that kitchen for their original builds...
One thing you will find out is all the kitchens (at the lowest levels) are basically the same since they all use the same set of tools. Where the differences come is just layouts (and even then, they are still all pretty close. Core Kitchen is probably the one that is the most different, and thats just because its been laid out very logically (and not just hacked together IMO) and scripts and shortcuts setup to make it all look and feel like a nice organized set of tools. I've been using Core Kitchen mainly since Crossbow Reloaded 1.7 and I really like the layout and all. But definetly try other kitchens so you can see how they all came from the same roots (and you start to realize how this all fits together).
As for OEM and SYS... Well SYS is supposed to be what the base rom is. And OEM is the add on packages. But different cookers do things differently. I'll admit that I get sloppy sometimes and will drag stuff out of SYS and into OEM if I'm completely changing it, or sometime I edit stuff directly in SYS and maybe make rgu or initflashfile stuff for it over in OEM (so yeah, anyone dumping my roms may find some odd things in odd places. Sorry, it makes sense for me at the time I worked on it, and some of it is tricks / techniques that I've seen in Faria's stuff).
So yeah, I guess you could say OEM and SYS are interchangable. In my ROM Windows LIve stuff is in OEM since it was brought from elsewhere (but then Office was brought from elsewhere but I left it in SYS as I had issues when I tried to move it).
Good luck!
lol...coincidentally the base roms i was using look like they were from you...both your tweaked version of the base wm6 from ingenetics and xm6. maybe that's what causing all these error messages to popup when i try to buildos. says it already has files here and there.
if you have experience with core kitchen, would you know if i can still flash the file that is created, even if the error message pops up? the error that i usually get in buildos is that the file already exist elsewhere (though i need to play with a bit more to figure why, since i can't find the file in more than one location when i do a search). not sure if buildos finishes its build or it just stops (the included tutorial says to try to fix the error and not continue flashing...but just curious).
anyway, it looks like there was another version of the base ingenetics rom in the forum posting, so I'm gonna try tossing that into the core kitchen to see if i get the same errors in trying to cook it.
thx for the comments.
First of all, i want to say thanks mfrazzz for the nice words...i apreciate it !
Second ...if it gives you any error then the product is corrupted, that is very easy to understand...Because when Build OS encountered an error it stopped and won't go trough with the whole process. So if any errors, abort and check the log and fix what can be fixed.
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lol...coincidentally the base roms i was using look like they were from you...both your tweaked version of the base wm6 from ingenetics and xm6. maybe that's what causing all these error messages to popup when i try to buildos. says it already has files here and there.
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Yeah, if it says that the file is already there, then you have to stop and find out where the duplicates are. Most likely there are files in OEM and in SYS with the same name. You then have to figure out which you want and remove the other (or rename it and then in initflashfile.txt change the name back to what you want when you move it to a different directory).
But if you get errors, (duplicate files, hive not created) or the like, you have to stop! You can't move on as things didn't complete.
If you want a clean version, then use the Ingenetics base and the packages that matt put together. Thats all made to work together. If you start with my base, then you have to keep moving forward from there, and I threw XM6 and the first version of Ingenetics together in a matter of hours so they are not laid out very well. Part of what I want to do with this next XM6 is take my time and do this one right (but I was trying to get that base out to the masses and get a better working Crossbow Reloaded 1.7 type rom on it, and wasn't thinking of people using it to start their own cooking with either of them ).
I just got my first pocket pc in the mail yesterday. First off, I absolutely love it. I got the wizard - it was a very good price on ebay for the features, even if it is a couple years old (I think?). Regardless, it's a huge upgrade from a standard cell phone for a small price.
I've never used one before nor used windows mobile. It came with WM5 and I've managed to unlock and update it to WM6. I read somewhere that TNT.1437 was a stable release, so I installed TNT.1437 with TouchFlo. It seems fine, except I still get clocknot.exe notification every time I start (even after disabling auto update for time).
My main question is this - is TNT.1437 still a good release or is it getting old? If I remember correctly the thread hadn't had posts in a while. Is the newer TNT release near the top of the forum stable?
I am mainly looking for a stable release that won't mess up my calls. Even WM5 had huge improvements and features over my basic phone I had, so having the 'newest' software isn't really needed (although I don't mind it if it's stable).
Anyways, I'm just wondering if I should stick with 1437 or upgrade to something else before I start diving into it and installing my own apps and setting the phone up. If I do stick with it (or upgrade and still have the issue), is there a way to get rid of that clocknot.exe notification besides turning auto-update for time off, which doesn't seem to have worked? I also installed the trial version of memmaid as that was recommended in the same thread, it didn't find any notification issues.
Thanks in advance.
1st thing to remember is that it's not a smartphone. it's a pocket pc. Smartphone apps won't work on this (most at least) and vice versa although there are a few.
Smartphone's don't have touch screens.
My Experience
Here's the thread containing the latest TNT ROM and a lot of info on it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367534
I'm using v1 of the last build and am having lockups on occation when the PDA is in standby. That said a lot of the posts indicate that sometimes you have to flash a rom several times or downgrade to a stock rom first before weird things go away. There was another post that suggested doing a soft reset followed by a hard reset after each rom is loaded to avoid rom instability problems. Also there was another post I read that said stability problems can be solved by using a specific utility (sorry name excapes me)that backs up the rom you just installed to your memory card and then reloading it from the memory card. None of this makes sense but I'm going to try these things if I can't get my lockup problem to go away with the latest build of TNT.
As for the notifications problem I fixed my through trial and error. Appearently there is a notifications queue or database that gets all screwed up. There are many tools out there (I used one called CheckNotifications) that let you fix the queue but in doing so you may break activesync and other automation. If found an app (FixASRunAt) that puts the neccessary entries back. I don't recall my exact procces for getting it working right but I do recall it took several passes at using both apps.
Good luck with your upgrade!
Welcome, I've had my wizard for two years flashed 5 or 6 roms, "its right" make good stable rom packed with useful software. I would suggest you read lots about any rom you install as if there are any problems its reported and usually fixed in rom thread.
If I might suggest Jaguar 4.0 rom, it is very stable and only a few programs leaving lots of space for you to test and add programs of your choice, you will want to try different programs. Some you stick with others will not be of use to you, the fun is in trying new things.
If you feel a little braver try the rom in my signature, I've had a few teething troubles but nothing major, anyway I can always change back.
Keep operator settings and instructions to hand, to make it easier when flashing, I also keep a list of installed apps so it is easier next time to remember what I use most often.
Finally welcome, there's now turning back now, it's addictive you know!
It most certainly is addictive.
Thanks for the tips thus far. I have one major question left - seeing as how there are so many ROMS out there, should I ever want to change to another one due to problems with the current one, or just to experience it, is there an easy way to keep program data and settings saved? There are certain third party programs that I would like to keep on the unit regardless of which ROM is running, so I'd like to be able to simply install them again and restore them to the state they were at with the previous ROM. I'm not sure how WM software works.
So far with TNT.1437 installed, I've just had a few problems, some of which may simply be the fact I'm new to WM and don't know what I am doing. It froze once or twice but that was it. It tends to run fine. The biggest issue I am wrestling with now is wifi connection. It always attempts to connect to previous wifi signals even when I am in a different location. If it would work as a laptop does (connect to a NEARBY wifi signal that you have provided a key for) then that would be great. But it keeps trying to connect to the campus network when I'm at my apartment, so I have to manually go in and figure out how to stop that and get it to connect to the apartment one here (out of like 10 options, which I only use one). Then I go to campus and I have the same issue and have to go in and make adjustments again. However, this is probably a WM issue and not a ROM problem.
As far as saving data or settings, I usually either back up the appropriate files to storage card or install to Storage card and just reinstall after hard reset. I don't think any back up utilities work if you change roms, but I'm sure some one will prove me wrong.
As for your second problem, I didn't even know it was one, so can't help you. Although thinking about it I've seen a program for assigning profiles to wifi connections or something along those lines, which is just what your looking for. Do a search. If I come across it will post a link for you.
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As far as saving data or settings, I usually either back up the appropriate files to storage card or install to Storage card and just reinstall after hard reset. I don't think any back up utilities work if you change roms, but I'm sure some one will prove me wrong.
As for your second problem, I didn't even know it was one, so can't help you. Although thinking about it I've seen a program for assigning profiles to wifi connections or something along those lines, which is just what your looking for. Do a search. If I come across it will post a link for you.
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Installing to a storage card seems like a good idea. When you install to a storage card, does it install the App there as well as data for the app? Do you even get a choice of where to do the install? Some files run as .exe on the desktop and then automatically install on the wizard. Others I have encountered have you copy a .cab file to the wizard and then just open it. Would you simply put the .cab file on the storage card and open from there? Is there a way to install via .exe to storage card?
I have a bunch of microSD cards around, so I'm waiting on a miniSD adapter to come in so I can actually use them with this phone. It will probably be easier to figure out once I have the adapter.
wow. ive had my wizard 5 months im still having problems understanding what i read about geting wm6 and touchflo. you experiance with do things allready?
Doesn't matter where you install from, when you get a storage card in, you are given a choice:- device or storage card.
Some don't like storage cards and after go on device memory, i.e. today plug ins. but its not written in stone, trial and error.
Thanks for all the help. It's a lot clearer than it was a few days ago now that I've played with installing some more.
My final question is this: I've learned how to install ROMS and search these forums for them (although I'm not sure on what each has to offer, as that will take some time). However, people mention when switching ROMs for whatever reason, the best thing to do is install an original ROM first, and then go on to whatever you want to install.
Where can I find the original ROMs for WM6? I've looked in the forums and did a search but didn't seem to come up with anything.
Would an original WM6 ROM work? Or would I need to flash back to a Cingular one with WM5 like it had when I first got it?
Anyways, just wondering about this. I imagine I just do it the same way I flashed the TNT ROM, but need to get a copy of the original ROM saved for future use.
Thanks.
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Thanks for all the help. It's a lot clearer than it was a few days ago now that I've played with installing some more.
My final question is this: I've learned how to install ROMS and search these forums for them (although I'm not sure on what each has to offer, as that will take some time). However, people mention when switching ROMs for whatever reason, the best thing to do is install an original ROM first, and then go on to whatever you want to install.
Where can I find the original ROMs for WM6? I've looked in the forums and did a search but didn't seem to come up with anything.
Would an original WM6 ROM work? Or would I need to flash back to a Cingular one with WM5 like it had when I first got it?
Anyways, just wondering about this. I imagine I just do it the same way I flashed the TNT ROM, but need to get a copy of the original ROM saved for future use.
Thanks.
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Although the wizard was tested my MS with wm6, it was never released as stock. For stability, always flash your carrier rom before a new rom (wm5... you can get it at htc)
Octavio's roms have been the most stable for me. 6.3 with wm6.1 works great. Also check out www.pointui.com for another type of touch interface. I think you would like it.
Oh... and don't become like us. I flash the rom now more then i use it. Dang things addictive.
Alright. When you say I can get it from HTC, are you referring to this URL?
HTC Download
I just want to make sure I am saving the correct version to revert back to in between ROMS. The site doesn't really provide much description about what it is.
Edit: I tried to install the ROM from the URL above, but it gave an error and said I need a newer update utility. Not sure why...Anyways...Can anyone provide a link to where I can find the original ROM I should flash to between other ROMs? If it makes a difference, I have Cingular (AT&T) - originally had WM5 now it has TNT.1437 (WM6) and I went through steps for hardSPL if that makes a difference (IPL 2.21.0001 SPL 2.21.01ip) as seen on the wiki. Phone is a G4 and works fine other than a few bugs / freezes up on ocassion, but I'd like to try other ROMs
EDIT: The ROM above did work, but I had to remove the HardSPL I had added earlier. That must've been the problem. After removing it, I installed stock ROM without any trouble - time to try a new ROM!
Hey,
I just got my (Orange UK) TYTN II. The Orange setup is downright HORRIBLE. The thing doesn't move, and their home screen really stinks.
I really need to flash the ROM. I read many topics and stickies here (such as Kaiser ROM_Flashing FAQ and SPL Questions, but I feel like I'm still missing things. As this is my 1st time ever - I'm afraid I'll brick it. I really need your help guys.
I'm undecided between using an official ROM (which one?), using NoThrills_WM61_WWE_V3 or RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship . What I need is a solid, dependable PDA/Phone/mobile desktop replacement. I'm not planning on gaming etc so graphics speed (while nice) is not all important.
Which one of these ROMs or other do you recommend?
Let's assume i use NoThrills_WM61_WWE_V3 (my current favorite). Would it (or the ROM you recommend) work on the Orange TYTN II?
I never connected the unit to my PC yet, or installed anything on it. Before flashing should i install ActiveSync or anything else on my PC, or just connect HTC to USB and go?
The way I see it, these are the steps for flashing. Did I miss anything?
Take out my SD card.
Connect HTC to computer using USB cable
Run kaiser-HardSPL.exe on desktop PC
Follow on-screen instructions for installing kaiser-HardSPL.exe onto the device.
Now that HardSPL is installed on device, copy NoThrills_WM61_WWE_V3.exe (or other ROM) to my desktop PC and run it from there, following instructions.
That's all.
Will installing kaiser-HardSPL.exe automatically remove the Orange CID-Lock, or do i have to do anything else?
To install the ROM, do I need to use HTC_ROM_TOOL.exe, or any other tool, or just work using the steps above?
Does the RUU...exe run on the desktop, or should i run it on the device?
If i brick it, is this reversible (by me or by a lab)?
I hate sending the "damsel in distress" thing - but this is just how i feel now. Would REALLY appreciate your help.
Kim
Here is what I would do.
Since you already spent what it looks like some time trying to flash your device. I will give you a couple of hints.
First I would flash to Jockys1.1 HardSPL. http://www.4shared.com/file/46447471/7ae96b57/Jockyw2001_HardSPL_-_SuperCID.html
This will allow you to CID unlock your device really easily.
To install HardSPL do this.
1.) connect your device to you PC
2.) Copy the JumpSPL.exe to your main memory of your device. Remove any SD card you may have
3.) run the jumpspl.exe to your device. Hit continue. It will go to the bootloader (tri-color screen)
4.) When you device says USB at the bottom, unplug the USB cord from the phone and wait 10 seconds.
5.) Reconnect the phone to the PC. Run the HardSPL
It should flash really quickly.
Next to security unlock / CID unlock your device.
Follow the instructions that came with the download. Its a real simple process. Be sure that you read all instructions to a T.
Check this thread if you run into any problems. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236
Happy flashing.
Ok, I'll bite...
You are definetly reading the right stuff, but I'll be honest, things have changed and evolved here (with all the new SPL's and stuff) so even for me that did hardspl back in December when I got my Tilt, I was a bit overwhelmed when I got my new replacement Tilt last week and had to start looking at doing this all again. So let me try to step you through what I just recently did and has worked for me. Remember, YMMV...
* First, I opted to go with Olipro's CID/SIM Unlocker this time:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375583&highlight=supercid
A bonus here is that it also does Security unlock now, so its an all in one tool, and the GUI interface that Olipro put together makes this really simple and pretty flawless (just read and follow the steps in the thread and read and follow everything your PC and Phone tell you to do).
* At this point you are now unlocked and ready to start your life of flashing and tweaking. (Unless you are really strong, be prepared to become addicted to trying to find the "perfect" rom ). I personally opted not to do one of the 3.x SPL's yet. Personally I've never seen the hesitation that so many complain about. I may still look at doing this to see if something improves, but for me I haven't found it necessary. But if you want to do that, do it now.
* Now hard reset your phone (good practice and I tend to do this a lot to make sure its nice and clean before AND after I flash a custom rom). Either use the Clear Storage icon in your Settings area, or hold down the two soft keys while hitting the soft reset button at the bottom. Note holding down the soft keys way can be tricky if you have big fingers like me, so I usually go the Clear Storage method.
* Now go get the rom of your choice. I would personally recommend either L26 V5, L26 V9, or Garmin DK1.2 (I'm still on Garmin DK1 and loving it but will probably move to 1.2 soon). I've found all 4 of these to be very stable ROMs (My phone is important to me for work, so stability is a must, and I can't put up with a bunch of bugs that people tend to avoid or live with in some custom roms). But the rom you choose is really a personal choice for you. What I like may be very different than what you like. So read the threads and try to find one that fits your style. (NOTE: This may be terrible for some to hear, but while I love what Garmin did with his roms and the extra work he put into it, the custom icons are a little over the top for my taste (they are wonderful, but I've used Win Mobile too long and find it hard to find things). So I pulled out the custom icons (search his thread for my post on how I did this if you want).
Honestly thats really all there is. Once you complete the Olipro CID/SIM unlock, your phone is going to be very hard to brick by just flashing roms, and the security unlock on it should (SHOULD) save you from nasty radios that come out trying to lock you to them.
Good luck and welcome to XDA...
hard SPL is the Key (instructions above), also make sure you flash a new radio if you want to use a new rom, Death V4, L26 V9, and Garmin are good, if you want to try a really cool total makeover checkout Gullum Throttle Multilanguage
justkim said:
I never connected the unit to my PC yet, or installed anything on it. Before flashing should i install ActiveSync or anything else on my PC, or just connect HTC to USB and go?
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Everything Alltheway and Mfrazz said, but Yes you should have Activesync installed first. Right now I'm on
"[July 11] HyperDragon III WM6.1 WWE ROM 19588 - 19591 - 19915 (Diamond & Xperia ROM)"
but I've tried many of the available ROM's and most have something good to offer. Just keep trying until you find one that works for you. and pay attention to the radio and SPL recommended for the rom you use.
You posted the same speel here...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379411
justkim said:
Hey,
I just got my (Orange UK) TYTN II. The Orange setup is downright HORRIBLE. The thing doesn't move, and their home screen really stinks.
I really need to flash the ROM. I read many topics and stickies here, but as this is my 1st time ever - I'm afraid I'll brick it. I really need your help guys.
I'm undecided between using an official ROM (which one?), using NoThrills_WM61_WWE_V3 or RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship . What I need is a solid, dependable PDA/Phone/mobile desktop replacement. I'm not planning on gaming etc so graphics speed (while nice) is not all important.
Which one of these ROMs or other do you recommend?
Let's assume i use NoThrills_WM61_WWE_V3 (my current favorite). Would it (or the ROM you recommend) work on the Orange TYTN II?
I never connected the unit to my PC yet, or installed anything on it. Before flashing should i install ActiveSync or anything else on my PC, or just connect HTC to USB and go?
The way I see it, these are the steps for flashing. Did I miss anything?
Take out my SD card.
Connect HTC to computer using USB cable
Run kaiser-HardSPL.exe on desktop PC
Follow on-screen instructions for installing kaiser-HardSPL.exe onto the device.
Now that HardSPL is installed on device, copy NoThrills_WM61_WWE_V3.exe (or other ROM) to my desktop PC and run it from there, following instructions.
That's all.
Will installing kaiser-HardSPL.exe automatically remove the Orange CID-Lock, or do i have to do anything else?
To install the ROM, do I need to use HTC_ROM_TOOL.exe, or any other tool, or just work using the steps above?
Does the RUU...exe run on the desktop, or should i run it on the device?
If i brick it, is this reversible (by me or by a lab)?
I hate sending the "damsel in distress" thing - but this is just how i feel now. Would REALLY appreciate your help.
Kim
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Read, more and you will find everything to know about flashing ROM's and what advantages and disadvantages they have.
Hi, in regards to the rom you choose, it's tough for anyone to answer for you. You may find it's even tough for you to choose on your own. The main thing comes down to knowledge i guess. You mentioned that you want stable...well, while most roms are fairly stable, some of the "special features" can cause instability elsewhere. Not sure how much background you may or may not have but with no knowledge of how to remedy such problems, this might prove to be a headache to get some bonus bells and whistles. On the flip side...light roms often tend to be more stable, however, you will have to spend the time seeking out and loading up the things you want. This is nice in the respect that you get exactly what you want. In the end...the real key is trial and error though.
I've tried a good portion of the roms floating around and all of the current:
If stability is your main concern right now, I'd say one of the ROMeOS roms....they seem to be rock solid and fast enough. Not really any incompatibility to speak of as far as I found (or read). However, you will most likely want to add to it as only the primary apps are included.
If special features and tons of software that you may or may not use are your thing than pretty much any of the others will suffice as they are all pretty good at this point. Just remember though, you may find some unfamiliar territory.
Personally, I like to break and fix things so I jump around a bit. But in the end, when I'm not in the mood to play, I tend to choose a stable / light rom and customize it to my preference or completely rebuild it to meet my day to day needs.
In the end, it's all trial and error to see what suits you best....keeping that in mind, you may want to look into UC (User Customization) or Sashimi. These are autmated installers that will speed up the trial and error.
Something to keep in mind though (if you are new to WM). While WM isn't much out of the box, it can virtually be anything you want it to be. However, it will require a little time and effort on your part.
Oh...and please, please, please never ask how to change time format. I swear this must be the most commonly asked question on XDA. Sometimes feels like a thousand times a day or in a single thread. (If you don't believe me, search one of the L26 Rom threads =) ). If you come across this stumbling block, here's a hint: on the time format picker, although WM only ever shows two options on screen at once, you can scroll up and down. All common format ARE included. TBH: I don't know how people don't see this one on their own before even posting despite the millions of times it's been answered here
I don't know anything about this programming. I am a complete idiot when it comes to this stuff. I rooted the phone because I wanted to be have full control over it's capabilities going forward, but I didn't realize I'd need to use these programs on my computer to do it. I thought things would be available through simple downloads.
Anyway, I've spent the last several hours attempting to become at least functional so that I could install another OS on my phone. I have no idea what rebooting in recovery or clearing caches or any of this is. I know it's probably simple, remedial stuff to practically everyone reading this but I am clueless.
I'm sure I could learn and was willing to do so. I downloaded SDK and Java update and Eclipse and painstakingly followed installation instructions several times from several sources. And I can't get the adb to function. My computer won't recognize the path. I'm pretty certain that I've installed everything completely and updated the path accurately, etc. I go through cmd, type in adb and it says it's not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
I've gotten to the point where I just want to set my phone back to the way it was when I bought it 2 days ago. I want to go back to being a simple lemming and just oblivious to this whole world. I don't belong over here. I'm out of my league and I know it.
Now the problem I have is that it's supposedly easy to "unroot" the phone. You just have to download 3 things and "flash" them. I don't even know what the **** that means though. And if it invloves using adb (or abd...I don't even know that), then I'm screwed.
I'm really frustrated guys. I'm tired. I should have never attempted this, but it all sounded so easy and awesome. Now I just want my normal, restricted phone back. Can anyone help me?
OK. I got the phone back to it's original state. I know some of you are probably shaking your heads at the decision, but it makes me feel a lot more comfortable.
Maybe if I could figure out how to access adb, it would be different but I just felt handcuffed without it. Well there eventually be ROMs that are more easily installed like re-installing the original was? Will there be ways to just steam it through HTC Sync?
i think one reason why u didnt manage to get adb working is because u didnt set up the environmental variables for java. Go into command prompt and type java. See what that returns.
SupremeBeaver said:
i think one reason why u didnt manage to get adb working is because u didnt set up the environmental variables for java. Go into command prompt and type java. See what that returns.
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Thank you for the response. That command produced a long string of information. Is there something in that I should be looking for, or was this just a test to see if it would be recognized?
it was a test to see if java was working fine. By string of commands do u mean like this:
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8440/48798806.jpg
Otherwise the problem may be that you havent specified the environmental variables for the android sdk.
Right click on My Computer and go to properties, under the Advanced tab, hit the Environment Variables button, and in the dialog that comes up, double-click on Path (under System Variables). Now what u need to do is add the location of ur sdk to the end of the "Variable Value".
So if u put the adroid sdk folder in the root of ur C drive, then u would add this line
;C:\Android\tools
to the end of the Variable Value line. This depends on where u put the skd folder though. Whats important here is u dont replace whats already there! Just add the line to the end, even the ";" symbol.
Hope this helps. let me know how it goes
Thank you again for the response. Yes, that looks to be the same screen information that appears when I run java in command.
I have the SDK in a folder named AndroidSDK on the root of my C drive. I have added the line ";C:\AndroidSDK\tools" to the end of the path. One thing I just realized is that when I double click the AndroidSDK folder, the next screen contains a single folder named "android-sdk-windows". When I double click that folder I see subfolders for add-ons, platforms, tools, SDK readme, and SDK setup. I'm wondering now if I need to include that "android-sdk-windows" in the path line in order for it to find adb in the tools.
I would really like to solve this adb issue. I still want to learn enough about this stuff to root the phone again and feel comfortable working with it. I'm completely obsessed with this right now. It's driving me mad.
in that case the line you should add would be
;C:\AndroidSDK\android-sdk-windows\tools
I can't believe it was that simple!
Actually I can believe it. Thank you so much for your help. Sorry if I came off as a bit of a drama queen in the OP, but I have just spent about 6 hours messing with this if you include the rooting.
Ok. I think I'm going to give it all another shot. Thanks again. I may be back to this thread again if I end up running into another dead end though.
Glad it worked
Dont worry about it, i can understand ur frustration because this is by no means straight forward.
Hope u enjoy playing with ur soon to be rooted EVO
If you have time to answer another question, I went through the OTA Simple Root process again and everything appears to have worked. But I don't think that finishes the phone in root. I don't have a Superuser app, for instance.
Isn't there something else I need to do? (Install a custom rom maybe?)
If so, how do I accomplish it in the least technical way possible?
Im not too sure with that actually. I dont have an EVO (or any android phone for that matter). But yeah i think the superuser app should appear without flashing a custom rom.
I think you might want to create a thread in the EVO section where im sure many EVO owners will help u out with this. Or maybe a mod could move this thread?
JelloB said:
If you have time to answer another question, I went through the OTA Simple Root process again and everything appears to have worked. But I don't think that finishes the phone in root. I don't have a Superuser app, for instance.
Isn't there something else I need to do? (Install a custom rom maybe?)
If so, how do I accomplish it in the least technical way possible?
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Disclaimer - I have not used the simple root method.
That being said I have helped a few people with this and it seems that the last img file that it flashes does not have super user access. You need to flash a custom ROM in order to fix that. I will post a link to the thread that I was helping in and that should answer some of your questions on how to do that.
Hope that helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722194
Sent via the Sprint HTC EVO
Just wanted to update this. I finally was able to put it all together. I was previously unaware of the "extras" tab on the OTASimpleRoot program. Just didn't read the instructions in post well enough, which is the story of my life....but I digress.
Anyway, I was able to root the phone again, flash recovery and now I have even gotten to the point where I understand a little bit how to install custom roms. In fact, I just installed my first using Baked Snacks latest update. I've also downloaded ROM manager so in the future I should I have no trouble at all (even though I'm pretty comfortable doing it the "long" way now).
Thanks again to both of the guys above who took the time to read and respond to a complete newbies questions.
I now that I have successfully loaded a custom ROM onto my EVO that it is full root and I don't have to worry about that anymore. I don't have a "superuser" app that I can tell, but I do have a "dev tools" app and folders which I don't think were on the phone before.
Alright, I do have a superuser permissions app. When I click it nothing happens though. I don't know if that's normal or not.
The issue I'm having now is that when the phone was rooted it took it back to the 1.17.651.1 software version. I went through the steps in the "How to start over: Fully rooted stock 1.47..." thread but the phone doesn't appear to be reading the PC36IMG.zip file. It doesn't ask if I want to update it. I tried it a couple times and then skipped to the second file in that thread (su-2.1-e-unsecure-signed.zip) and got a message about ....something "build". Went ahead with the install but I don't see anything different. Still says I'm on software 1.17.....
Wireless tethering app doesn't work for me, which was the impetus to dig further into this....deeper down the rabbit hole.
Ok. This will be my last update but I'm pretty excited because something has happened to correct issues I was having.
I thought I would go through the root process from start to see if I could get the 1.47 software. Once I got to the second step and did the factory reset, upon reboot it took me to the recovery screen which was different and made me a little nervous. I found the cue to install BakedSnack again from the sdcard and chose that function.
This time things were different than before. For instance, upon booting the phone I got a cool screen saver with streaming, trippy colors instead of the 4G and Sprint crystaline logos. I don't remember this happening the first time I installed this ROM. Once I got into the phone I noticed some minor changes I didn't notice the first time. The music widget wasn't on the second page, nor the nascar or football crap either. I think they were there before. Then I went into apps and saw ROM manager installed and superuser and Wifi tethering. Went straight to wifi tethering and low and behold it works like a charm.
Last but least, I went to check the software and I am now running 1.47. I don't know why it's on their now. This is all still a little mysterious to me. I could swear this Baked ROM is a little different than the first time I had it on the phone. Maybe that's my imigination. Maybe the factory wipe did something. I don't know but I'm very happy now.
Congrats
SupremeBeaver said:
Congrats
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Thanks again man!
What a difference 24 hours can make. At this point last night I was ready to pull my hair out in frustration. By noon today I had unrooted the phone and re-installed the most recent OTA software update and was ready to just stick with that. Now I have re-rooted, somehow managed to get the updated software back on the phone, and have installed and am running an incredibly awesome custom ROM.
I love my new phone. Thanks again to both of you guys who offered help. I think I'm going to be good from here on.