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[Updated 09July] Would you like WM6? or WM5 with this?

-- 09 July 2007 ---
Update:
Added a few icons
Added the default Vista clock
Added a new dock with Aero Glass like effects
Screenies:
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Notes:
My next release will contain a more complete set of icons and shortcuts already preconfigured (for those lazy ones )
See installation instructions below.
Attachments can be found at the bottom of this post.
-- 05 July 2007 ---
Update: I have attached the theme and image files used in this theme.
Notes:
First of all, THIS IS A THEME FOR WAD (Wisbar Advance Desktop). If you don't know how to use WAD. Please, don't bother using this. Everything will just become much more difficult for you. WAD complicates things if you don't know what you're doing. But if you're really interested, play around with it, I'm sure you're gonna love it and realize that it actually makes things easier and more beautiful. If you really can't figure it out, then WAD is simply not for you.
And as I mentioned, it's still under construction and incomplete.
I made this for people who prefers to use WM5 for its stability but is forced to use WM6 because they hate the way WM5 looks. But you can also use this theme on WM6 devices that uses WAD.
These theme is designed for VGA devices, particularly the Universal (Everything will be bigger and misaligned with QVGA devices)
I've also included icons/images that are not being used by the theme that you may be interested to use in your own customization. All images are on the \Common Images folder.
Images that I used on this theme are not all mine. Most them are found courtesy of Google Images, some of them found on other forums. I just modified them to become 32bit tga files compatible with WAD's support for transparencies. If you found images that I shouldn't be using, just tell me and will remove it.
Feel free to tell me what's good and what sucks. I don't care how you say it, I'm used to criticisms. :þ
Installation Instructions:
Remove all your today plugins on the today screen. Just add them later on on the WAD screen.
Install WAD* on your device memory (not Storage/Storage Card). Everything will run a lot smoother and problem free this way.
*(not included in this package, it's not a free app. get in on the Lakeridge website)
The zip file contains 2 folders, Extract them on your Universal's \Themes\Desktop directory. (Yes, overwrite the Common Images folder, this one has everything that that folder has)
Go to the Theme Manager. Make sure you select Vista on both Landscape and Portrait modes.
Enjoy. :þ And be amazed how smooth it works. And see that it actually only uses around 1Mb of RAM. :þ
Important:
Most icons point to apps that I use, that you possibly don't have. You have to change some icons to point to something else.
eg.
Media Player opens up CorePlayer
Internet Explorer opens up Opera Browser
Dictionary opens up Lexisgoo... etc.
-- 04 July 2007 ---
So everybody's crazy over WM6 eh? So what's with WM6 that we don't have on WM5?
Html formatting on Outlook Mobile (we could get several other messaging apps that can do that right?)
Smart search on contacts and Outlook Mobile.. yeah this is awesome..
docx and xlsx file support.. I don't use Office 2007 yet anyways
High Res on PIE? Well.. Opera does it far better! or you can use PIE Plus. (Helmi's WM5 AKU3.5 1.3.1 has PIE High Res support)
And finally.. better looking taskbar and icons! Now this, I may be able to offer a possible solution. ;þ
I was so addicted over WM6 lately until I recently discovered this app called WAD (Wisbar Advance Desktop). It is one of the most fully customizable skinning apps for the PPC around. It has the full capability of replacing your today screen (It's possible to have multiple virtual pages). And even hide the taskbar and sofkeys. Giving you a full screen of beauty. And guess what, unlike it's sibling WA (Wisbar Advance). It does not eat too much RAM nor slow the PPC down.
Since I use WM5, I realized I don't need to worry about video call or any bugs.. Suddenly.. I don't like WM6 anymore. ;þ
I personally does not use WA, it really really slows everything down esp. on our devices since we have VGA. VGA = bigger images.. and if the skinner did not compress the image files to it's maximum, it will really eat up ur RAM. But WAD is a different story.. you gotta try it too see for yourself.
Here are samples screenies:
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Note: The available program memory on the lower right is real. Although the only currently open app that time was the Screen capture utility and Outlook Mobile.
I'm using Jwright's 1.90.96 WM5 AKU3.2 ROM.
The theme is still under construction. My goal is to put everything I need on this screen so I would no longer need to use the "real" Start Menu.
Every icon/button reacts to screen taps. Docks are all trasluscent the way they should be. I'm also doing my best to make sure the images are the smallest size as possible (using 32bit/24bit TGA format compressed RLE) for it not to consume too much RAM.
If demands are high, I'll give you guys a copy when it's completely done.
P.S.
WAD is not a free software. If you can get it free, then that's no longer my concern. All I will provide is the theme.
WAD is not for everybody. It's only for people who wants to get full visual tweaking for their PPC's. If you're satisfied with the built-in today screen, then WAD is pointless for you.
But here's a tip, WAD consumes less RAM and processing time than most Today plug-ins.

That looks fantastic, nice work!
Just a question - what would happen if you tried using True VGA mode with that skin, say, using oZVGA or something like that?

Awesome!

What is the difference between WA and WAD? How much Memory does it need to run it?
Looks nice by the way. I myself use Helmi's 3.5 v1.3.1

You can go here to see the difference between WA and WAD : http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/index.php
Beautifull skin DaVince ... Could you upload it when you'll finish it ? Thx !!

Can you provide us step by step instruction...

wow, awesome job mate!

Well that sure looks sweet..
but a few things i've always hated with WM5:
-it's impossible to simply add a new number to a contact from the call list.. you could only save it as a new contact alltogether.
-send/receive business cards always worked funny.
-Contacts seemed isolated from Call history.. while with WM6, you can see the last call from a contact, group the calls from the contact, etc.. all with a click.
there's no denying that WM6 at the current form needs a lot of work to clean up, and i'm personally getting frustrated seeing 4-5 different ROMs up as stickies, and 20 other options below.. and each one has its own problem

DaVince said:
So everybody's crazy over WM6 eh? So what's with WM6 that we don't have on WM5?
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Kitchens?
I personally use WA (as an OEM) and Pocket Breeze (as a cab), works great for me.

nice!
Would u like to share this skin?

I hate all decorations. and other husks. I felt that the beauty of the operating system is not important ... important that os is worked ... and worked steadily. everything else does not matter. the reason for my move to WM6 was no rush for decorations and the beauty of a humdrum desire to be in front of the whole world // сиречь просто хотел померяцца письками с другими кпкодами .. до сих пор сидящими на вм3 и вм5

Well Written DaVince. After all wm5 used by you is steady and best and just tweak it and you have a better deal than wm6 for the time being.

sorry double post. deleted

First post updated, theme attached
Hi guys,
First post updated, theme attached. Hope you like it. For those who doesn't, that's what I thought about WAD too at first.. until I actually tried it.
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Well Written DaVince. After all wm5 used by you is steady and best and just tweak it and you have a better deal than wm6 for the time being.
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Hi there aniel. I still thank you for being the one responsible of giving me a copy of Jwright's WM5 ROM. WM5 isn't really better than WM6, but it's a lot more stable and bug free. Not to mention every feature works like they should be (eg. Video Call, Wifi). That's the reason I'm sticking to WM5.
mo3ulla said:
I hate all decorations. and other husks. I felt that the beauty of the operating system is not important ... important that os is worked ... and worked steadily.
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How about having a perfectly working, stable AND beautiful looking ROM?
grayme said:
Kitchens?
I personally use WA (as an OEM) and Pocket Breeze (as a cab), works great for me.
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Oh yes kitchens! I like 'em too. A great way to save Storage memory by adding them via OEM on the ROM itself. Wish we had that on WM5... btw, WA uses too much memory.. around 3Mb on VGA skins.. totally unacceptable.
cktlcmd said:
What is the difference between WA and WAD? How much Memory does it need to run it?
Looks nice by the way. I myself use Helmi's 3.5 v1.3.1
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WA skins the taskbar, uses around 3Mb of RAM on VGA skins. WAD skins the today screen, uses around 1Mb (or more, if you add more objects esp if the images are not well compressed).

ok you convinced me: only thing is that I can't tolerate having a today screen without spb pocket plus since I have many many progs and need to have easy, rapid and accessible shortcuts..but this will surely give my uni a boost of life, looking like a vista based umpc..so guess I'll try it soon..as soon as it's completed!
daVince, we should really duck to you!

Have just downloaded WAD and installed your theme! Looks really good and the ram usage really low. I am using WM6 and getting around 25mb of free memory when running. GOOD WORK!

i can`t seem to run WAD without running Wisbar advance, what am i doing wrong.....

Kind DaVince,thx for sharing

cyberpunk627 said:
ok you convinced me: only thing is that I can't tolerate having a today screen without spb pocket plus since I have many many progs and need to have easy, rapid and accessible shortcuts..but this will surely give my uni a boost of life, looking like a vista based umpc..so guess I'll try it soon..as soon as it's completed!
daVince, we should really duck to you!
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I hate SPB pocket plus.. it uses too much resources.
But guess what. Icons used by Pocket Plus are completely compatible with WAD! Just make your own shortcuts using Pocket Plus' icons if you want! Give it a shot first.. play around with it.
davieshyland said:
i can`t seem to run WAD without running Wisbar advance, what am i doing wrong.....
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Just Go to Programs and open up Wisbar Advance Desktop. Or copy that shortcut on your \Windows\Startup folder.

and what about spb diary? is there a way I can manage to have it accessed within 1 or 2 clicks? sorry for asking so many stupid questions but usability goes first, then comes appearance!

Where can I download platform builder for windows mobile 5.0?

Where can I download platform builder for windows mobile 5.0?can anyone help me?

You can't.
PB for Windows Mobile (not CE!) is not available to the general public. You need to be an OEM recognized by MS to get one.
You could always try P2P networks, but its 7-9GB download and there is no guarantee some one leaked the real thing.

Does Platform Builder for Windows Mobile 5.0 contain WM2005?

What exactly are talking about?
It seems you have your terminology confused.
WM is short for Windows Mobile. 2005 was the initial name for the 5 version until MS (that stands for Microsoft) did an official release and everyone started calling it WM 5. Some still refer to it as 2005 (as in the year it was released).
Why do you want the Platform Builder any way? You can't make a new ROM with it.
If you jut want some code samples get the PB for CE or if you want to translate the interface (localize your device) just use a ROM dump.

Thank you for replying.

Need AKU and platform builder
Hi,
How are you able to get AKU and platform builder for Windows Mobile 5.0.
Thanks,
Niraj

Buy Platform Builder
I am interested in buying the Platform Builder if you still have. Send me how. Thank you.
5thWheel said:
Hi,
I actually have a legitimate "Windows CE 5.0 with Platform Builder". It has product keys, holograms, everything! I came across this thread when I was googling to see if it was worth my eBaying it!
If anyone is interested, I can put up an eBay auction with a reserve of maybe £50 (it cost me £250, was worth around £500 when I bought it!).
I have "Windows CE.Net [AKA "CE 4.2"] with Platform Builder" as well; again, if there is actually some interest I can eBay it and post a link to the auction. I wasn't going to bother as it didn't look like it was going to be worth the listing fee (no one seems to sell these any more, but 4.2 was easy to buy from various UK retailers at the time, and there were a few 5.0's going on eBay when I got mine).
The CE 5.0 is completely unused (project was cancelled before I even got to start on it!); I installed 4.2 a while ago to make an OS for a device I was working on, but the project was abandoned in the end. I've since canned the PC it was on. Both products are "mine".
Just to clarify in case anyone is confused, Platform Builder is a tool that one uses to make an operating system to run on a device. I would *imagine* you could make an XDA ROM with it, if you had either some support from the device manufacturer, or were very knowledgeable - I made ROMs for a couple of ARM and x86-based "PC cards", and tweaked a ROM for a PDA-like card, but I don't know if XDAs are more complicated. You'd usually want an SDK to accompany the target platform, I think, and ideally an example ROM workspace. Sorry to anyone who already knows this, and hopefully I'm not talking out of my hat WRT XDA development (I only just found out what AKU stands for, I just didn't want anyone expressing an interest who didn't know what they were getting into (Platform Builder is IMO pretty hardcore! But OTOH, pretty good fun! You get lots of the WinCE source and can poke at it if you need to!)
Wrt terminology, I *belive* "Windows Mobile 5" is an implementation of "Windows CE 5", a bit like Ubuntu is a distribution based on Debian? OTOH I wouldn't like to bet, I found all the 4.2, .Net, CE, Mobile, Pocket PC nonsense very confusing, even at the time I'd always assumed that mobile 6.1 was based on CE6.1, but apparently it is based on CE5.2, which I guess means CE6 doesn't exist, so go figure
Windows Mobile 2003 was certainly an "implementation" of CE 4.2, because Wikipedia says so.
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nevermind. there is a free (120-day) evaluation here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downLoads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
This is enough to build a device driver... right?

Windows CE 5.0 and Platform Builder 5.0
5thWheel said:
Hi,
I'll put it on eBay at the weekend and post the link here: was it 5.0 or 4.2 you were interested in?
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Windows CE 5.0 and Platform Builder 5.0.

windows ce plat form builder 3
well if anyone who has a palm treo 800w and you want to use the verizon 800w update will need platorm builder 3 to use the update im reading in the update what i need to update it i will paste it here if anyone can help i would really like it
well here is what is written
joplin image updater 1 connect usb cable to board 2 open platformbuilder 3 open fashbin workspace 4 attach 5 flip wifi switch to down load image ehen it goes on to describe errors that you could get like bat to low to update well i want to know if anyone can come up with any ideas im going to see if i can get the files mentioned and ill upload then if i can

anyone got a link to or put me in right p2p direction for platform builder 7?

Google Maps Navigation (Beta)

Anyone know when this will be brought to our beloved Topaz?
http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/#p=default

It looks great.

I read an article about it yesterday but there is no date for a release. I think there will be no WM release till it's a stable release.

Just read carefully:
Google Maps Navigation is an internet-connected GPS navigation system with voice guidance. It is part of Google Maps for mobile and is available for phones with Android 2.0.

Wow. Looks fantastic. I did come across this a little while ago but I think that its someones own program that just uses Google Maps as a background.

I was told by a friend who has a friend who works for Google that there are currently no plans to port Google Navigator to Windows Mobile. They are looking into bringing it to the iPhone, and it's obviously going to be released for Android 2.0 devices, but that's it.
I really, really hope they change their minds...

Why does everyone hate Windows Mobile? iPhone and now Android get all the love, and we have to beg to get some of the nicer programs...

we just have to port android faster

johnus said:
I was told by a friend who has a friend who works for Google that there are currently no plans to port Google Navigator to Windows Mobile. They are looking into bringing it to the iPhone, and it's obviously going to be released for Android 2.0 devices, but that's it.
I really, really hope they change their minds...
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I call shenanigans. The same was almost certainly said for every major new feature in the current google maps (even google maps itself), but then it all showed up for us windows mobile users too. It doesn't make good business sense for google to ignore part of the market/userbase.

shadowline said:
Why does everyone hate Windows Mobile? iPhone and now Android get all the love, and we have to beg to get some of the nicer programs...
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are you stupid? just because 1 app isnt on wm everyone hates it? Its just a platform exclusive, its just like how wm has windows live, my phone, media player, office etc... win mobile os alone is better then android 1.5, 1.6, 2.0.... windows mobile has some of the best apps running on its the platform and your complaining over some cheap turn by turn gps map software? Nav N Go's iGO 8 is probably better than this

Quanni90 said:
are you stupid? just because 1 app isnt on wm everyone hates it? Its just a platform exclusive, its just like how wm has windows live, my phone, media player, office etc... win mobile os alone is better then android 1.5, 1.6, 2.0.... windows mobile has some of the best apps running on its the platform and your complaining over some cheap turn by turn gps map software? Nav N Go's iGO 8 is probably better than this
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Looking at his contributions to xda he certainly is not even close to being stupid.
igo8 costs a lot, pay even more for TMC traffic updates, and keep paying for updated maps. Google Navigation is free. Plus had street view feature which is not available in any other PND.
Google Navigation has already been submitted to apple for approval, so it is not a platform exclusive feature. Accept the fact, windows mobile is loosing respect. Even as a platform. Mio navigation is moving to android. TomTom has moved to linux already. Garmin has it's own platform. Windows CE hasn't recived any good updates for a long time. It won't be long before most of these cool navigation softwares will disappear from windows. I like my phone a lot.. but ocasionally I find myself compromizing. I can't even use my phone to it's full potential without using a custom ROM.

You are not really having an argument about googles release strategy, are you?
Google Maps Nav will come for WM quite soon. The fact that it was released now first for Adroid is not really a reason to argue here, is it?

For me windows mobile never again.
(Awaiting for a serious maemo.)

arkavat said:
Looking at his contributions to xda he certainly is not even close to being stupid.
igo8 costs a lot, pay even more for TMC traffic updates, and keep paying for updated maps. Google Navigation is free. Plus had street view feature which is not available in any other PND.
Google Navigation has already been submitted to apple for approval, so it is not a platform exclusive feature. Accept the fact, windows mobile is loosing respect. Even as a platform. Mio navigation is moving to android. TomTom has moved to linux already. Garmin has it's own platform. Windows CE hasn't recived any good updates for a long time. It won't be long before most of these cool navigation softwares will disappear from windows. I like my phone a lot.. but ocasionally I find myself compromizing. I can't even use my phone to it's full potential without using a custom ROM.
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ok, but just to tip you on somthing it dosent matter what os, platform, manfacturer etc, you'll always have to do some sort of customization to get the best out of the product.
i just brought a mytouch 3g and to tell you the truth, ive done just as much flashing as my touch diamond 2 n i am far from satisfied with it. I hope htc continues to make ui's for android b/c they are surely turned wm into a dream.

Lack of Garmin and Skype, downside of Android...

I am tempted to switch from Windows Mobile to Android but I still see that there is no software for Garmin maps (offline maps) and also there is still no Skype Full for Android.
This last issue, that lack of a full skype client for Android smells fishy... Why is Skype not developing a Skype client for Android??? It is against Google's philosophy... Did Google sell his soul to the big Communications corporations and is banning a full Skype?
Also, is there a program like MyMobiler for Android? Mymobiler is a desktop program that allows you to control your phone from the PC watching your phone's screen in the PC monitor.
Another question: since Android is based on Linux, is it possible to run PC Linux programs directly on an Android phone just as you can on the new Maemo?

that lack of a full skype client for Android smells fishy... Why is Skype not developing a Skype client for Android??? It is against Google's philosophy... Did Google sell his soul to the big Communications corporations and is banning a full Skype?
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1. There are apps for skype(not too many good ones) a descent one I use is "fring".
is there a program like MyMobiler for Android? Mymobiler is a desktop program that allows you to control your phone from the PC watching your phone's screen in the PC monitor.
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2.There are lots of RDP and VNC apps to control/view your pc from your phone
Another question: since Android is based on Linux, is it possible to run PC Linux programs directly on an Android phone just as you can on the new Maemo?
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From what I know no, but I could be wrong
Personally I like Droid Phones better then Win Mobile ones. I can't seem to put my Droid phone down. I am always tweaking or messing with new apps(and I only have a mytouch). Plus with the new Google navigation who needs Garmin? Also if your not wanting to get a droid phone because of it not fully supporting skype, and it not having garmin(which I don't really like) then your missing out!

You won't be able to run PC-program on android because it's a different platform (PC == x86, x86_64; android phones== arm ). You'll have to compile them for arm. General speaking it's possible to port apps. But you'll have to change some stuff.

I come from Windows Mobile, so I might shed some light...
There are a few Offline Maps apps... For example, Maverick... it has very good ratings. There are others too.
About MyMobiler... It's great... you can check this out, it's similar...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=557717
By the way, I like my Android better than my WM. I own a Cliq, and I must say that I love it. Waiting for the custom ROMs.
hgrimberg said:
I am tempted to switch from Windows Mobile to Android but I still see that there is no software for Garmin maps (offline maps) and also there is still no Skype Full for Android.
This last issue, that lack of a full skype client for Android smells fishy... Why is Skype not developing a Skype client for Android??? It is against Google's philosophy... Did Google sell his soul to the big Communications corporations and is banning a full Skype?
Also, is there a program like MyMobiler for Android? Mymobiler is a desktop program that allows you to control your phone from the PC watching your phone's screen in the PC monitor.
Another question: since Android is based on Linux, is it possible to run PC Linux programs directly on an Android phone just as you can on the new Maemo?
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Thank you for the responses.
I was intersted in being able to view my phone from my PC, actually.
The thing of not having offline maps is a big issue. Usually if you need a map, most likely you are in the middle of nowhere without 3G signal...
Maverick... Does that support Garmin maps?
Thank you!

There is also a program called Nimbuzz which recently got updated and allows making VOIP calls over Skype.

hgrimberg said:
Thank you for the responses.
I was intersted in being able to view my phone from my PC, actually.
The thing of not having offline maps is a big issue. Usually if you need a map, most likely you are in the middle of nowhere without 3G signal...
Maverick... Does that support Garmin maps?
Thank you!
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there are tons of offline mapping programs. Motonav, NDrive, Co-Pilot, and Papago x5 to name a few.

Maverick caches maps you've already viewed for later offline use. they also have a guide about using some software to save google maps/bing maps/open street maps, which you can check here. http://www.trekbuddy.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=464&start=545
The other apps mentioned above use their own "real" offline maps.
But from what you're asking I assume you already have a Garmin map purchased that you're looking to use on Android? Then I would recommend looking at what kind of maps these apps use and maybe finding a way to convert your map to be compatible with one of those apps.
As for Skype then yes there's a "lite" official version out there but it's far from great. Nimbuzz has been my favorite so far. Also, you can always look into using Google Voice as an alternative, it integrates nicely with the OS.

Is there any word that Garmin will develop an app for Android (like Garmin Mobile XT for WM)?
I use my phone as a navigation often and no other map providers cover my area (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia,...) as good as Garmin does. I'll change from my HTC HD to an Android device when they do it...

I use mapdroyd it don't have nav but has all the maps u want in any country. I've got the whole earth on mine.
Sent from my MetroMafia Eris

sebr1ng said:
Is there any word that Garmin will develop an app for Android (like Garmin Mobile XT for WM)?
I use my phone as a navigation often and no other map providers cover my area (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia,...) as good as Garmin does. I'll change from my HTC HD to an Android device when they do it...
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There's already a Garmin app for Android, but it can only be used on Garmin's own Android phone, the Garminfone. If they put it in the market and sold it separately, no one would buy the Garminfone, so they aren't likely to do that at least for a while.

fing is no longer work on skype. I don't know if there any client will work on Skype.
I still looking for offline GPS client. I tried few of them. None of them are working well on v2.2 N1. I am going to try co-pilot v8.2.!!!
SKYPE, I love to have it back.!!!

gtg465x said:
There's already a Garmin app for Android, but it can only be used on Garmin's own Android phone, the Garminfone. If they put it in the market and sold it separately, no one would buy the Garminfone, so they aren't likely to do that at least for a while.
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I see that. Thanks for answering. Hope somebody hacks it soon

gtg465x said:
There's already a Garmin app for Android, but it can only be used on Garmin's own Android phone, the Garminfone. If they put it in the market and sold it separately, no one would buy the Garminfone, so they aren't likely to do that at least for a while.
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There won't be a separate garmin app for android, this is what I got in an e-mail response from them:
Thank you for contacting Garmin Europe.
Unfortunately Garmin stopped producing any software for PDA devices from
different companies. We started to sell our own Garmin-Asus PDAs.
Apology for any inconvenience caused.
Please help us improve the service we offer you by taking our Customer
Support survey. Please click the following link -
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GarminSupportSurvey
If there is anything else I can help you with then please let me know.
Alternatively you can search for a solution here: http://www.garmin.co.uk/support
Kind regards,
Bartlomiej Bolek
Garmin Europe
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And that's why I have my HD2. I get WinMo and Android both on it. Best of both worlds. There are some apps on the WinMo that I can't live without, I'll probably be sticking with my HD2 for a while.

How can you have 2 OSes on your PDA?

Since this thread started, Garminfone (aka Nuvifone A50) has been released. As well as the A10 in Europe.
I own it (Garminfone). Coming from
Blackberry I am very impressed. It is only 1.6 Android, but they customized it with pinch-zoom etc.
The maping in North America & Europe is exceptional (I have both).
I can confirm it can be rooted, I've already done mine. I am having trouble getting SuperUser status though (newbie).
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dailydriver said:
And that's why I have my HD2. I get WinMo and Android both on it. Best of both worlds. There are some apps on the WinMo that I can't live without, I'll probably be sticking with my HD2 for a while.
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I've got the same configuration: HD2 with WinMo e Andrid (port from Desire HD).
Would you be so kind to tell me with are the best applications, according to you, for respective operative systems? One never stops to learn..... ;-)
Thanks!

HTC's built in navigator with offline maps
In latest Android issue (the one with Sense for HTC Desire HD) there is a built in GPS Navigator that caches most used map on your SD, so that you don't need to connect to the internet all the time.
May be the solution for many of you. Check out the port to HD2 (20/09/2010) on this forum if interested.
Cheers.

Hi, there are GPS maps of Argentine only for Mapdroid (without navigation) and NDrive (you must pay for it).
NDrive 10 is nice, but I noticed some problems with the maps, nothing important but Garmin maps are better than NDrive for Argentina.
Nimbuzz for replace Skype, Fring don,t work anymore.

Windows Mobile - Services - less is NEVER more.

Once again Microsoft has made the decision to scale back features for Windows Mobile users.
I received an email from Microsoft today indicating that they would be ending the service of two more Windows Mobile FEATURES.
The first service to be cut this time isn't too bad. Microsoft is terminating the Marketplace website within a few months. The site is scheduled to go offline forever on July 15, 2011. You will still be able to utilize the Marketplace mobile application to buy and download applications. No big deal right???
Then comes the decision that really chaps my hyde.
Microsoft is also discontinuing the MyPhone service ALL TOGETHER!
I don't know about you, but that was one of the features that I use frequently & even influenced my decision to use Windows Mobile instead of Android or the iPhone.
Microsoft heavily touted this feature in their information and marketing materials. One of the things I PAID FOR was the ability to backup ans sync my device information and it's location on a daily basis. Many cooks use the MyPhone service & I don't know anbody that hasn't had to use it a time or two.
Microsoft is terminating completely, the MyPhone service, both the website & the mobile device application on August 7, 2011.
This is an absolute tragedy & a terrible decision in my opinion & the opinions of all the users I personally interact with.
This was a great service & something that really set Microsoft apart from many other platforms. Say your phone died, you are out of town on business & need your contact, out came the old backup device 7 wham, minutes later you had your texts, contacts, email & documents back in your hands.
What is even more saddening, Microsoft is trying to sell us on the fact that SkyDrive is the superior product, that they are somehow helping us out & giving us a better solution to use. Where is SkyDrive mobile? Does it help me find my lost device? Can SMS & email messages be backed up & downloaded straight to my device through a neat & nicely integrated application? THE ANSWER IS NO!!! MyPhone is great for road warriors & is used by so many people I know. Not just the app, but the website that also saved this information from my previous device as well.
All I can say is that this is a MAJOR disappointment!
So, why do I buy Microsoft when they kill everything a year or two later?
Well, before this it was because I was a loyal user since the days of CE. Microsoft had a great development platform & was innovative. They really were first on the scene with barcode scanning though Elure, (Remember the stick-on magnifying glass?) It was great, but they let it die.
How about the promise of a great speach to text and search application? Tell me? No, really, TellMe. Microsoft bought TellMe & promised us this great application that first was developed for Blackberry & then never followed through with the application for Windows Mobile users.
Why is it that Microsoft develops competing technologies & then always dumps one without regard for what user want & actually use? I just can't understand why they never integrate the popular features of one service into it's successor. Why should you go out & buy WP7, The OS that took forever to come out & that they are already replacing? In my opinion you shouldn't That should tell you something, because I have been an avid supporter of Windows Mobile from the start, before the start. (Can you say Pocket PC 2002).
I am looking more & more at Android & will most likely be making a new acquisition soon.

I got the same email and althought my phone still has a till is cut off completely (the start of the move to sky drive is on the date you stated) and i also have been an avid supporter of window mobile since the early days, a user since windows CE 2002 and now a developer of applications for the platform, I suddenly feel i am presneted with a choice. Go with windows mobile or android. This presents me with 3 problems. Firstly, i have a little less than a year on my contract before i can upgrade (i can't afford to go out and just buy a new phone right now) and, secondly, i hate android with a passion. Don't get me wrong, it suits most people and i'm not a MS fanboy (boy used loosely since i'm alomst 30) but i just don't like the UI and i miss the feature set CHT brought to my windows mobile device and before that how easy it was to get around the stock windows user interface. Last of all i've not seen anything on windows Phone 7 that would sway me. I'm not an xbox user, i use copy and paste alot (i know there is an update for that coming/out) and most of all, from my reading, i need to go and buy a new WP7 HTC device to get the most out of it and most of them suck!
So what do i do? get a nokia and screw up my work rate when i'm out of the office? Go android and hate every second of my life to the point i wish i'd bought a nokia? or go with windows phone 7 for my hd2 and suffer the pain of all the bugs of porting an OS to a phone it was never designed to run on?
The way i see it, right now, after having a few beers and being on the wrong side of sober, i might as well have been pushed off a building with the words "F**k you, A**hole!"

it seems we are really few users. only 16 posts about this ridiculous decision. see thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1115987&page=2

Well as you see I'm a total noob and I claim the title proudly. So while I skewed your poll a little I did find this post to be very informative. I had actually never heard of MyPhone but after reading the passionate thread that sounds exactly like what I could have been using for quite some time now. Though this may be a long shot, if you do come across a program that is comparable to MyPhone would you be willing to share? As being able to easily sync and transfer my data from phone to phone has always been my largest/ chief complaint with any phone carrier.

and MyPhone is one of the key points to WHY I have a wm6.5 phone after all.. this, and compatibility with older mobile software.
If someone finds a replacement app, I would be glad to know it too.

I'm disappointed that Microsoft is getting rid of the service. It really helped with flashing ROMs and such things. Definitely not getting a WP7 phone when I upgrade.

First of all half of this article is confusing. The part regarding the Marketplace shut down is misleading. The only thing that is being discontinued from the marketplace is the website that we can access from our browsers. According to Microsoft's own website (link is in the email, I was confused at first as well).
Next, the MyPhone service is a pretty novel idea, but it's almost one way, you can only sync to the servers, but the servers only sync to your phone, why not just use PPCBackup then if it's going to be synced to one place anyways. It makes better sense now with Hotmails ActiveSync support to use that instead, the only downside being is some data isn't synced (text messages for example, but at least contacts (primary), calendar, email, and tasks are supported). I tried MyPhone before, but the limitation of it being stuck on the MyPhone server and not being able to share it anywhere else was the reason I never used it regularly. I wish they'd upgrade the service to use Windows Live, which would be an improvement over the current syncing.

probably it's not much people knowing this.... i myself never check my live mail mail box and only know microsoft decision right now.....

Cleary this is not as big a travesty as you think it is, not to take anything away from you but WIN MO is a dead platform. People always have a hard time admitting this but there are about 12 posts on this subject so I am pretty sure MSFT is not really feeling the heat about there decision. It like seeing someone who lived a full and happy life die, you are sad but know that there time has come, much like everything WIN MO related. I recommend you pick up an Android phone and move on.

Well MS are full of broken promises and dreams, they are keen to kill WM one way or another.
They brought out Visual Studio 2010 and spouted about how you can develop for mobile platforms using Express for free... and didn't mention that not only does Express not include WM in any form, but not even the pro version supports it. (It was even pushed from 2005 standard into 2008 pro only previously).
It's ok, because they promised they'd bring out an SDK...which is..oh nevermind, broken promise. You can't even use it to port your app on to windows phone or try to develop for both...dev friendly or what!
As for the app market...just closing the website...how long before they kill the app store too for WM, you know it will come soon after. They clearly want to push any WM user kicking and screaming on to windows phone, they are trying to do that to the devs too. Imagine if you've developed an app which is on the market for WM, well MS doesn't care anymore.
What form is the transfer to SkyDrive going to take? As of now, there is no support for sms messages/contacts data (oh please don't import them into my hotmail/live account...I never use the contacts there since they were always hacked). Do I have to port them into outlook or something, because for the same reason, I don't want to keep them there either. Let me guess, you will be able to import them into your windows phone 7 device without too many problems using the nice shiny app, and there will be a WM SkyDrive app erm...never (at least from MS). Still you get 20Gb of space which you can access on the move (from a device you don't have...).
For me, I see Windows Phone 7 a bit like Vista, with WM being XP. Yes it has fancy graphics and bells, but if you aren't using the latest hardware, XP does a half-decent job in the mean time.
The plus side, well there isn't much else which MS supply, unless they start to pull SDKs and other files off their sites (I noticed a while back they've removed most of the developer info and videos etc for WM - not just moved, but totally gone).
It's not like they were updating the OS apart from through leaked builds and besides compact .net 3.5 was getting messed up more and more by the poor updates anyway. Oh yeah they promised silverlight and compact .net 4 for wm too at one point, now we know that is a pipe dream. There was talk of keeping WM in some form as a business phone device which would live alongside WP.
Really inspires me to follow them with WP7, as a user and as a dev.
Android is a good option, but I still feel there are too many unknowns with it at the moment, since it is trying to support the latest hardware it is (and needs to) keep up. It's a moving target at the moment and it's not quite landed somewhere. Of course I'll play with it, but pointless investing too deeply in it quite yet, unless you've got spare cash of course.
iOS...it's solid, but it is still due for a big shake up me-thinks (I half expected iOS5 to do that), plus I don't want an iDevice.

@bradgog
Travesty? I think you mean tragedy. ;-)

I just threw up in my mouth a little.
I really do not want to move on from WinMo. I know it's impending, but I really do not like what I see from wp7. Android looks like the better alternative at this point I guess.
Becoming so accustomed to my device with all the programs and tweaks is just going to suck to have to give up. I knew this was coming, but it doesn;t make it any easier. Hell, only 5% of devices even have physical keyboards now. Seems that nothing is tailored for my likes.

It's very a sad news !!
I don't like WP7 and i don't want WP7 !
WM with HCT OEM Apps are a very good solutions....the HD2 is actually a best seller with a lot of possibility...
Just a question.....what about professionnal ? What about the "Windows Embedded Handeld" aka WM6.5.3 ?
The professionnal never want to use this WP7, and Microsoft said after the launch of WP7 that they would to continu a branch of WM for the pro ( WEH).
So what about this ???
Maybe we could contact Microsoft

What on earth are they thinking? surely MyPhone and Marketplace can't take up too much space on |Microsofts Servers!
I have had too move to Android, not liking Windows phone at all even including the Mango 7.5 update.
Mind you i have been through this before with Windows CE, Windows 2000 Profesesional, so it doesnt really come as much of a suprise.
Im still very unhappy though

Guys guys guys ...
Did you not hear MS telling all it's existing and previously most loyal customers to go f&%k themselves when they went down the WP7 route? They're into competing with Nokia and Apple now for children's phones.
We're all gonna have to get used to Android sooner or later. Just a bit sooner than expected for some that's all.

Come on into the Windows Phone pool, water's fine over here!

It's sad that they want to kill their older system so badly.
When I bought a phone a year ago, I chose Windows Mobile over others as it fit my preferences the best. According to the sales data I saw, I wasn't the only one. Last year a lot more people bought a Windows Mobile phone than a Windows Phone one. If it is true, Microsoft's decision strikes me as strange. They still support Windows XP that is two generations behind the current OS, while they refuse to support WM that is WP's direct predecessor.

well, learn about the news yesterday and i went out to find some replacement.... it turn out that google sync is a much better option for contact sync and calendar. But still, i haven't found others online backup services that's good for text messange backup.
still, it's a shock that microsoft turn down support in less than 2 years after discontinue winmo, there are still lots of people on contract with their winmo devices.

It is indeed a travesty!!
I have a car that is 7 years old, can still get parts easily for that?
There’s Apple with their new cloud, well if you think about it we all had part of that before apple ever thought about it in myphone.
I hear they are moving some of our files / pictures etc to Microsofts cloud, then why can’t they make that function like myphone for us???
I am sure they could, but NO they want us to move on to WM7.
Why would we want to move to a service that is SO VERY CLOSED DOWN before we start.
Microsoft will push our share of their market “US” probably over to Adroid!
Shame on you Microsoft, will you listen to loyal folk.
Paul.
P.S. See you all on the other Side maybe.

who cares ?
Microsoft is dead!