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Build 19199 or Build 5.2.19716 updated FEB 20.2008 seems to be the newer one?
i personally prefer 19716 build but you can try both and figure it out. there was no need to open a whole new thread just 4 this question.
It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.
Rabangus said:
It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.
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Yes it's a perfectly valid question to ask in Dutty's thread about his ROM not creating a whole new thread about it.
totally agree.
You could argue this is like asking a parent which one of their kids they like the most!
Best thing is to try both and see which you prefer. There will be advocates for both.
ps don't try that with your kids. it will end you up in jail.
I use each rom on my 2 tilts. I feel that 197 is more stable. 191 sometimes freeze if you push some buttons whil they are booting up. doesn't happen to 197.
No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff
trick420 said:
No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff
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Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.
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Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.
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Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!
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Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!
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Yeah, all threads suffer from this, and I'm also totally agreeing with you, I'm also in the same situation, cannot read hundreds of posts and pages of every ROM thread to find out if it's a suitable one to upgrade to. Trying out so many ROMs until satisfied is not an option for me (ok, I'd admit trying a few, but not every version of every flavour of wm6.1), I want to find one to get rid of my german wm6.0 and have iGo still working, and no issues more than with 6.0.
An updated FAQ in the beginning posts of the respective threads would be useful, but even better, real wiki articles (not just links back to forum threads). Don't want to upset people who discovered the Internet just when these forums where already around, but on mailing lists information and discussions where easier to follow and filter...
Just my 0.2€...
Back to the question: which is the best?
Let me tell you: the new 19716 RTM out to come soon will be the best and fastest ever!!!
referring to this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472183
i just wanted to say i didnt mean to complain officially i was just angry.
over one day waiting for reply - and that was after a few days of search specially here
i will not be like the-equinoxe and reply with his word OR to his comments
actually i was expecting some thing contains my anger . with a little politely replying
i consider this site the most important site for PPC that what made me angry , also i saw a few posts asking seriously for help with no satisfied answer
sorry i didnt think that i have no right to get answer
also i want to add that when i know how to help in some problems i do
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referring to this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472183
i just wanted to say i didnt mean to complain officially i was just angry.
over one day waiting for reply - and that was after a few days of search specially here
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take a look at this page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427531&page=18
i've been waiting for answer there
all we can do is just patient.
and if u still get no answer, u can also up your thread/post
also try to search for the answer here or google (it could be somebody knows the answer out there).
If you have a problem you can pm a moderator. This section is for questions and answers, not a blog or commentary. Therefore this thread is being closed. Quit re-opening up this topic or you WILL get a ban.
there's no point in complaining. people are doing their best.
as ingerasu said, all you can do is wait. not all questions have straight answers.. and believe it or not we don't spend 24 hours in front of the computer waiting for you to have a problem.
please stop flooding the Q&A section with new threads. it is pointless.
there's no point in further discussion. if anyone knows the answer to your problem, you will get it. but there are NO promises.
I will close this thread. refer all further questions about this to the About XDA-Developers section.
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referring to this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472183
i just wanted to say i didnt mean to complain officially i was just angry.
over one day waiting for reply - and that was after a few days of search specially here
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You got your 1st reply within 44 minutes, there are 1440 minutes in a day, so you are a factor 32+ off..
i will not be like the-equinoxe and reply with his word OR to his comments
actually i was expecting some thing contains my anger . with a little politely replying
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Your demanding tone required another approach.
If you don't like the reply of a mod: PM him/her, don't start provoking by opening yet another complaining thread..
i consider this site the most important site for PPC that what made me angry , also i saw a few posts asking seriously for help with no satisfied answer
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Yups, that happens, we all have questions and sometimes there are no answers. Sometimes the answers have been given countless times.
But keep in mind this is a development Forum, it's not a helpdesk, it is a place where developers gather (all volunteers). We al had to learn, we all had to search, I personally have read thousands of threads, and still don't know everything, so I am still learning (most of us are).
If there is no answer we try to find a solution ourselves.
That is what I meant with being pro-active instead of complaining.
EqX
Let me start by saying that sorry I have to start another thread because my last one was closed and the moderator doesn't seem to want to respond to my pm. Let me also state I am not asking for what is the best rom for you or me. I am just looking for a rom that has comparable free ram.
I ask this. Alex 6.0 ultra clean rom had approx. 71mb ram free on first boot. I have been through many 6.1 lite and naked roms and have not found one with that much free. The most I have found is 62ish. Are there any 6.1 roms with that much free ram? Or is 6.1 bigger and that much ram is not possible with the newer OS. Added features amd software don't matter. I am just looking for the high ram numbers.
And even after posting yet another thread with the same question as the last thread you started that was closed; you're still going to get the same answer. Just search the roms and look at the specs they have. My advice to you is either flash to a lite rom or a naked rom. There are plenty out there to choose from. And for the love of God or whomever you worship, please stop cluttering this forum with new threads. It really makes it hard for other people to browse and search for what they're looking for when there are senseless threads like this. And if you can't find the "perfect" high free ram rom, sell your phone and buy an iphone. Sorry if I sound harsh but when you start another thread with the exact same question as the first one you started that was closed for a reason that was already explained to you; I mean that's just stupid!!
All I can say is wow. I could see this happening if I had asked like how in install hardspl or something. But. What a helpful community this has become.
the new htc 6.1 builds seem to have less and less ram with every new release.
anryl just recently discovered a hack that frees up quite a few mbs of ram. you could try his rom
also, you could try the Kaiser Special (no link right now, im on opera mini, sorry). it should be a few pages back because i just asked a question in that thread the other day.
im working on a rom that will have a lot of free ram while still having 6.1 or 6.5. u could wait for that
or u could try cooking one yourself (no sarcasm). id be glad to help you out if u need any help
good luck
You could try the Hyperdragon Rodium IV Lite rom it has around 71 mbs of free ram on boot up.
Thanks for the help. I knew not everyone here was unhelpful.
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Let me start by saying that sorry I have to start another thread because my last one was closed and the moderator doesn't seem to want to respond to my pm. Let me also state I am not asking for what is the best rom for you or me. I am just looking for a rom that has comparable free ram.
I ask this. Alex 6.0 ultra clean rom had approx. 71mb ram free on first boot. I have been through many 6.1 lite and naked roms and have not found one with that much free. The most I have found is 62ish. Are there any 6.1 roms with that much free ram? Or is 6.1 bigger and that much ram is not possible with the newer OS. Added features amd software don't matter. I am just looking for the high ram numbers.
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Honestly dude, your better off to search and flash around then starting threads.
That said, as you can see there are allot of helpful people around these threads, even myself, you can add my msn if you have questions on cooking or otherwise..
It's not that we're trying to be not helpful, we are just trying to cut down on clutter around here with new threads on topics that can be discovered by flashing roms and answers that can be searched.
I'm gonna close the thread in a few minuets, if a few others have any helpful suggestions on a clean rom for this fellow feel free to chime in.
@drewcam888 if you have any questions or anything feel free to pm me.
Otherwise take care,
Josh
Closing thread guys....
Peace,
Josh
I wasn't ignoring your PM. As any other moderator can attest to, we get inundated with PMs from users, and emails from the forum software every time someone reports a post/thread/PM/visitor message. It takes a considerable amount of time to go through everything, and we are forced to prioritize things as much as possible while also working our real life [paying] jobs. At any given time, I have 10-15 unread PMs in my mailbox; I respond [when necessary] in the order they arrive.
2 messages i send to moderators , missing
10 posts i posted deleted..
whats next? close my account???
The 10 posts missing could be two things
1. Somtimes the system updates and posts gomissing for a short while, but come back.
2. The manner of your ten posts, if you simply went onto a thread and said somthing like "thanks for this usefull thread", then this is seen a spamming to get upto your first ten posts, and Mods will remove these types of posts.
As for your two pm's going missing, unless you clicked save to send folder before you sent the pm's then they will not show up in your send folder.
I hope this has cleared up a few of the issues you are having.
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The 10 posts missing could be two things
1. Somtimes the system updates and posts gomissing for a short while, but come back.
2. The manner of your ten posts, if you simply went onto a thread and said somthing like "thanks for this usefull thread", then this is seen a spamming to get upto your first ten posts, and Mods will remove these types of posts.
As for your two pm's going missing, unless you clicked save to send folder before you sent the pm's then they will not show up in your send folder.
I hope this has cleared up a few of the issues you are having.
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Well , i understand that this is a very big forum , and must have rulles to function , but how can i post usefull thinks in general? believe me i tried.
General is general. i dont know about roms , i m not interested about hacking , i m a developer . i m interested in developing apps. Thats it.
One good way in which to reach your 10 posts, is go to all the Q&A forums and look to see if you know the answer to other members problems and before you know it you will have your 10 posts. Also if you go to about XDA forum their is a thread their call How to be a new user, their are some tips their on how to get your first 10 posts.
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Or maybe hang around on the off topic forum for some games!
Ok.. some of my posts yesterday.
[Discussion] What's your next smartphone [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
My answer delleted.
[DISCUSSION] What's the first phone you've ever owned? [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
My answer delleted.
and other 8
Is this normal??
You would need to contact a S-Mod via PM and ask have your posts been removed or is their tenical issue, reason, for them going missing.
You also need to be aware that many people join this forum claiming to be "interested in developing for Android", and all they ever do is post questions in the Dev forums which don't belong there. The Dev forum is not the right place to ask questions about how to develop apps and things.
If you use the search function, you will find there are guides on XDA for the basics in Android development which you should read and then start learning.
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Or maybe hang around on the off topic forum for some games!
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Or not as stated by the mods: 10-post warning
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Or not as stated by the mods: 10-post warning
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¯\(°_o)/¯ Why did they make that rule??
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¯\(°_o)/¯ Why did they make that rule??
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Do you really want the dev threads full of people who played the ban game 10 times to get in there and who made no efforts to actually help someone first just to post "Thanks for a great ROM" or something similarly insightful?
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You would need to contact a S-Mod via PM and ask have your posts been removed or is their tenical issue, reason, for them going missing.
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I sended 2 PMs but they are missing too... thats weird.
Any way i dont know whats happening , maybe a technical issue
But even if some of my 10 posts are against the forum rulles ( I didn't do it on purpose) why deleting all my posts?
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Ok.. some of my posts yesterday.
[Discussion] What's your next smartphone [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
My answer delleted.
[DISCUSSION] What's the first phone you've ever owned? [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
My answer delleted.
and other 8
Is this normal??
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Contact User Experience Admin.. looks like system error.
Check the browser you using and check whether your replies are submitted!!
HelectronSoft said:
I sended 2 PMs but they are missing too... thats weird.
Any way i dont know whats happening , maybe a technical issue
But even if some of my 10 posts are against the forum rulles ( I didn't do it on purpose) why deleting all my posts?
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Depends on the mod and their mood, some of them will just remove a few posts to try to make people understand that they are not following the rules, some of them may simply wipe the slate clean since it is faster and easier than picking through what may appear to be non-contributory posts to leave a couple of adequate posts. Also as s.d.oconnor stated, unless you checked the box to save your PM's in Sent Items they will not be saved automatically. Mods don't delete PMs.
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The 10 post rule was put in place to make new users think, and hopefully contribute and help others by making useful posts rather than the usual crap like "thanks", "kewl" etc or ask questions which have been asked countless times before. They still have access to dev forums, just cannot post in them. Its not a massive restriction and to provide 10 useful/helpful posts is not hard.
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mf2112 said:
Do you really want the dev threads full of people who played the ban game 10 times to get in there and who made no efforts to actually help someone first just to post "Thanks for a great ROM" or something similarly insightful?
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as i said , i respect that this is a realy big forum , and it needs rulles , and ofcourse i dont want dev threads as you describe , i m just trying to understand why my PMs are missing and my posts deleted.
That's all.
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I sended 2 PMs but they are missing too... thats weird.
Any way i dont know whats happening , maybe a technical issue
But even if some of my 10 posts are against the forum rulles ( I didn't do it on purpose) why deleting all my posts?
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It does sound like a Tec issue or a bit of both, but i would recomend waiting 24 hrs and see if soem or all of your missing posts reapear, and if not then you contact a S-Mod, and explain what has happend, they would then be able to tell you if your posts were removed and why or if it's a Tec issue they would pass the infomation onto an admin.
Any way , thank you all for your answers , i ve allready sended 2 PMs , maybe a technical issue , i ll wait for an answer from the mods.
10 post rule has to be rethought
Hi,
this rule for 10 posts is not very good.
how should i post, for example a patched version of rom when i cannot write in the dev. board ?
please dont get me wrong, but in my eyes this is not helpful.
c00k said:
Hi,
this rule for 10 posts is not very good.
how should i post, for example a patched version of rom when i cannot write in the dev. board ?
please dont get me wrong, but in my eyes this is not helpful.
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Au contraire....the rule for 10 posts is very good, when compared to the alternatives. Threads full of spam posts selling whatever junk of the week? 1000's of "Thanks for a great ROM" posts to wade through to find a reply to a question asked a few hours before...not much better. Teenagers using every thread for chit-chat. If you prefer an Android site like that I can assure you there are many out there. Funny thing though, all of them seem to link back to content here....after you get past the gauntlet above.
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Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then
Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum?
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Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then
Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum?
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No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.
This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.
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No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.
This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.
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Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
I have to agree with topic-starter.
I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.
If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.
As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.
I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.
I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.
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Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
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I have to agree with topic-starter.
I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.
If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.
As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.
I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.
I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.
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The key there is that you found the answer yourself after searching for a couple of hours. That is how people learn - it's how I learnt how to root, S-Off etc my HTC DS - by reading and trying to understand.
The Dev section is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. Get the idea? The Dev section is for Development - genuine bug reporting and discussion by the guys who develop and test the ROMs.
I don't think 10 posts is enough. I personally feel that the Dev section should be by invite only. Once somebody has proved that they are able to abide by the rules of XDA and contribute in a meaningful manner then the Devs can invite them to join if they feel so inclined.
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Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
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Well two things here, no If you have a problem you need solving you post it in the Q&A section in the first place..as this is where questions go Development threads are for development.
And XDA is and always has been about the developers, about developers sharing there work.
Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.
I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.
I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...
Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:
PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...
Yeah whats up with that
I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...
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Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.
I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.
I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...
Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:
PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...
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I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...
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Its a case of thats just how it is, many devs have started threads in the general subsections for talking about the ROMs to reduce the issue.
The big reason for the limit is simple, with out it the dev section gets flooded with question threads, and general chit chat or basic questions which have been answered a million times end up in dev threads which should be kept clean for real feedback to been seen by the devs.
I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on
I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on[/QUOTE]
Yeah; I am well on my way. 3 down 7 to go .
I know I know, just a long day at work..
Close it please.
Wrong section, this issue has been discussed to no end, and the rule isn't going anywhere. Thread closed.
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