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New Touch Pro -- no 3g?

Hey folks, I've had the TYTN II connected to ROGERS (in Canada) via 3G for about a year now without any difficulties. I've swapped the SIM card into my new Touch Pro and it's only registering as EDGE. I've tried setting up a 3G connection in properties and everything, but it STILL only recognizes edge for the most-part. I've seen a couple of occasions when it said "G" in the top bar, but mostly E (99% of the time)
Any ideas on if there is a configuration problem? Or what I should do next?

A software update should hopefully fix this problem; just awaiting the final release of hardspl

well i know you cant get 3g in america because of band frequencies being different but what is rogers on? the touch pro can only do 2100mhz band for UMTS

I thought the UMTS frequencies were the same fro all of North America. I could be thinking about gprs. I know that hardspl is soon to be released from what i've been reading so we will know soon enough :-D

UMTS 850 and 1900 are available in the band selection screen HOWEVER the current stock radio and ROM combination doesnt work with it.
There IS a radio update around which has a minor update to the version number and protocol so im gonna guess it MAY help with this. The radio was bundled along with the cingular test update posted earlier this month.
Not recommended to update it yet though...wait til HardSPL is out so nothing dies

thanks
Thanks guys -- Do you think I should wait before I sell this Raphael to make sure its NOT compatible with the North American network?
I find it hard to believe that it would not be globally compatible with 3G networks around the world. Hopefully it just needs a ROM update (either radio/OS) to make it start working in 3g in North America

MMac said:
Thanks guys -- Do you think I should wait before I sell this Raphael to make sure its NOT compatible with the North American network?
I find it hard to believe that it would not be globally compatible with 3G networks around the world. Hopefully it just needs a ROM update (either radio/OS) to make it start working in 3g in North America
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Wait, dont jump ship so quickly
Considering there are already TWO RUUs out ther for AT&T/Cingular its a pretty good bet an update will solve it

Wouldn't the world be a better place if there weren't so many different 3G frequencies?

Smaniac said:
Wouldn't the world be a better place if there weren't so many different 3G frequencies?
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Yes it definitely would! When is HardSPL due out for this phone?

MMac said:
Yes it definitely would! When is HardSPL due out for this phone?
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Check the forum section under "Raphael ROM Development", there's a thread.

[Q]3G on the HTC Raphael/Touch Pro

Is the HTC Touch Pro able to work on U.S 3G band , if not is there a radio patch that will activate the U.S band on the device. Please help.

This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl

Bxsteez said:
This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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We shall see what happens, although the bands are available in the "band" settings tab so it MAY be a radio issue.
Bit early to know yet, as there is only one user here so far who has hold of an AT&T Fuze (RAPH11000) we dont have a huge ammount of detail yet.
Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?

I really wish i could help out on this 3G front but no 3G in my area...

I can help...
mrvanx said:
...Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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I've installed the radio 1.02.25.11 and no luck with 3G in US ATT. only edge support.

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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.

technillion said:
I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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Its bundled with the AT&T ROM which is currently on the AT&T Fuze devices people are testing.
Higher radio version number doesnt necessarily mean a better one, as veterans of the Hermes will verify

The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.

Anyone know when AT&T sould release US version/ATT Fuze?

stpete111 said:
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.

I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping

Hardware
Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.

jcrompton said:
I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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I sure hope that the HTC tech guy knew what he was talking about! Im want to know before 9/17 so i can either pre order the HTC dream with t-mo (current provider) or switch over to AT&T so i can (hopefully) use 3G with my touch pro

Don't take this the wrong way...
ausbj said:
I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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...but can we ASSUME you DO in fact KNOW you have 3G coverage in the U.S. area(s) you tested these ROMs?
Not trying to upset or belittle your efforts...just had to ask.
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erikjonpeterson said:
Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I thought about this but cracking open a 900 dollar device and completely voiding the warranty really isn't worth it. If someone can get schematic from HTC which i doubt we could see if the hardware is installed.

stpete111 said:
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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I believe there is an asian hardware version, this is what the HTC techs keep mentioning that might have the 850 3G radio.

I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.

mallman said:
I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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Just so you know - I sent a similar email to them regarding the 850 band on the Diamond and I was sent a very nice response informing me that the phone I purchased was not intended for the US and did not have the hardware capability to be used on ATT in the US. Low and behold the xda developers made the 850 band work. Now HTC offers a rom upgrade opening the 850 band they said was not in phone. Unfortunately the response you get will not be the definitive answer.

mrvanx said:
Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
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I understand yours and others' reasons for not believing me or assuming it's speculation. All I can say is there will be a lot of effort put forth for no reason, just like with the DIAM100, only to confim that the hardware everyone is trying to unlock isn't even there. If the efforts put forth do nothing more than prove the above to be true, then at the very least people can rest more easily with full confirmation.

T-Mobile G1 - Rogers 3G

Good day to you all,
I would like to know if there's any way at all that a T-Mobile G1 can access the Rogers 3G network. Radio update, etc?
I have posted this question in the Dream and Dream Q&A section with no responses. I'm sure this isn't specifically a development question, but you guys might know the answer.
Thanks!

no it is a hardware not a software limitation sorry

Not what I wanted to hear, but it makes sense.
So on the Rogers network, I'll be stuck with the EDGE data?

cursordroid said:
Not what I wanted to hear, but it makes sense.
So on the Rogers network, I'll be stuck with the EDGE data?
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yep sorry you could always but a tmobile sim for 3g use if you need it badly

JJbdoggg said:
yep sorry you could always but a tmobile sim for 3g use if you need it badly
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The radio in the phone dictates the frequency, not the SIM right?

cursordroid said:
The radio in the phone dictates the frequency, not the SIM right?
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yes but the normal g1 can not utilise these frequencies unless it falls between a specific range which the rogers 3g network does not. However the t-mobile ones do

correct - its a frequency thing, which is dictated by the radio hardware, not the sim or a software setting.

JJbdoggg said:
yes but the normal g1 can not utilise these frequencies unless it falls between a specific range which the rogers 3g network does not. However the t-mobile ones do
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So the T-Mobile G1 is able to use the Rogers 3G network, but only if it has a T-Mobile SIM?
Am I understanding this correctly?

cursordroid said:
So the T-Mobile G1 is able to use the Rogers 3G network, but only if it has a T-Mobile SIM?
Am I understanding this correctly?
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nope it is only able to use a t-mobile 3g network with a tmobile sim. I meant you should buy a t-mobile sim for use with the t-mobile network if you really needed it.

JJbdoggg said:
nope it is only able to use a t-mobile 3g network with a tmobile sim. I meant you should buy a t-mobile sim for use with the t-mobile network if you really needed it.
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Damn... My imagination got my hopes up...
Thanks for the info!

cursordroid said:
Damn... My imagination got my hopes up...
Thanks for the info!
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no problemo

i got a tmobile g1 , and im on gogers network , i get up to 2g , as far as i knew rogers doesn't supply full 3g yet

maek_it_happen said:
i got a tmobile g1 , and im on gogers network , i get up to 2g , as far as i knew rogers doesn't supply full 3g yet
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Rogers definitely supports full 3G, it's 3.5G (HSDPA) as a matter of fact.
The G1 runs on a different frequency and can't access the Rogers 3G, only EDGE data network.
The point of this thread was to see if the G1 radio was capable of using the Rogers frequencies... Guess not...

Doesnt rogers carry the dream? Why get a Tmobile G1 when the Rogers Dream is the same phone except it uses the correct frequencies for 3G?

Dharkaron said:
Doesnt rogers carry the dream? Why get a Tmobile G1 when the Rogers Dream is the same phone except it uses the correct frequencies for 3G?
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I bought a 'bricked' G1 on eBay for $40. I fixed it in a matter of minutes. I figured it was a hell of a deal, but I didn't think about the fact that I would be missing 3G here in Canada.
I already own the HTC Magic 32A (Rogers), this G1 is just to play around with.

No idea why anyone brought up SIM cards or whatever. That's utterly irrelevant, and only served to confuse people. Thanks.
The radio in the TMO G1 only supports UMTS Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS). The Rogers G1 supports Band II (1900).
My recommendation is to resell that fixed G1, and find yourself a Rogers Dream.

You can convert your HTC Dream to 3G in Canada by replacing the antenna. Here's a link to a (probably) T-Mobile antenna as an example. But if you can find one for Canadian frequencies... Good luck!

Ive had the g1 before the dream came out , if I were to get a dream do I root the same way with the downgrade then flash new Rom , I m running hero Rom right now on my g1 .

maek_it_happen said:
Ive had the g1 before the dream came out , if I were to get a dream do I root the same way with the downgrade then flash new Rom , I m running hero Rom right now on my g1 .
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what are you talking about they are the same thing

JJbdoggg said:
what are you talking about they are the same thing
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i remember reading ppl having trouble rooting roger dreams , but maybe its cuz they didn't know ,,,, thanks for the heads up

UMTS/HSDPA radio bands

Hi guys, I don't know if this is a basic question but I have to ask it since I haven't find an answer yet...
Can I modify the HSDPA/UMTS band via ROM or SPL update?
I bougth a HTC T-mobile myTouch (1700/2100 MHz bands, UMTS/HSDPA) but later I realized that here in CHILE my provider uses the 850/1900 band for 3g .
If I root my phone and try a different SPL and ROM, is it possible to change bands?
So, can I do somethig to make it work here or is it a matter of hardware?
Thanks

it would require hardware change....

You could sell the MyTouch and buy a Rogers Magic or Dream. They use the same 3G frequency as your networks in Chile. 850/1900

I'm from Chile too, I have the same "problem" But actually I don't care to much because next year 2 Nextel and VTR will offer mobile services... And they are gonna be based on the 1700/2100 bands...

:No-Frost: said:
I'm from Chile too, I have the same "problem" But actually I don't care to much because next year 2 Nextel and VTR will offer mobile services... And they are gonna be based on the 1700/2100 bands...
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Hi no-frost, I know that next year that will happen, but nobody really knows when... By the way, I saw your other posts, I wanted to tell you that I rooted an entel magic phone without loosing 3g or wifi...(via gold card) after a lor of trying an error I finally cach up with a mixture of ROM and SPL that worked

change gsm bands

hello there
i`m from IL and i want to know if i can change the GSM bands to my location
as i saw a few post on that but iwm dont understan that
thank all

I think the gsm bands are for the network provider (tmo, att, verizon) you cant change hardware.

I assume you mean the data network bands not voice or 2G.
There are 2 physically different phones z710e (most of the world & TMobile US) & z710a (US AT&T). Look at the following and put in your country to check carrier compatibility.
http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation.html
http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation-z710a-3g-850-1900-mhz.html

gol_n_dal said:
I assume you mean the data network bands not voice or 2G.
There are 2 physically different phones z710e (most of the world & TMobile US) & z710a (US AT&T). Look at the following and put in your country to check carrier compatibility.
http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation.html
http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation-z710a-3g-850-1900-mhz.html
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im mean can i change my 900/2100 Mhz to 800/1800Mhz chck that if it`s help me?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202867
or that i think that what i` searching for:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052745

avikinges said:
im mean can i change my 900/2100 Mhz to 800/1800Mhz chck that if it`s help me?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202867
or that i think that what i` searching for:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052745
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The second post was for a completely different phone.
The first post (I had a quick scan and will look in more detail if I have time) didn't seem to address the issue you have.
As far as I know (happy for someone to shout me down) the HTC Sensation is NOT capable of universal frequencies, it is EITHER:
Z710a (2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 ----- 3G HSDPA 850/1900) (US AT&T)
Z710e (2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 ----- 3G HSDPA 900/1700/2100) (US T-Mobile)
That's fixed in the hardware of the phone and can't be changed. As you can see GSM is the same BUT the data side of things is where it gets different, you will always get EDGE as it's 2G.
The Baseband mentioned is flashed as part of the firmware.
The RIL (Radio Interface Layer) is the bit between the ROM and the radio. That will almost universally come with the ROM and will have a pre-requisite radio version that you have to flash separately.
Now if there is a way to change the 3G frequencies I'm sure there are many folks that would like to know how, it'd make the Sensation more universally available and hopefully cheaper in the 2nd hand market.
You haven't mentioned what your exact issue is, what are you trying to change and why ?

you answer me thank u and have a nice day

gol_n_dal said:
The second post was for a completely different phone.
The first post (I had a quick scan and will look in more detail if I have time) didn't seem to address the issue you have.
As far as I know (happy for someone to shout me down) the HTC Sensation is NOT capable of universal frequencies, it is EITHER:
Z710a (2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 ----- 3G HSDPA 850/1900) (US AT&T)
Z710e (2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 ----- 3G HSDPA 900/1700/2100) (US T-Mobile)
That's fixed in the hardware of the phone and can't be changed. As you can see GSM is the same BUT the data side of things is where it gets different, you will always get EDGE as it's 2G.
The Baseband mentioned is flashed as part of the firmware.
The RIL (Radio Interface Layer) is the bit between the ROM and the radio. That will almost universally come with the ROM and will have a pre-requisite radio version that you have to flash separately.
Now if there is a way to change the 3G frequencies I'm sure there are many folks that would like to know how, it'd make the Sensation more universally available and hopefully cheaper in the 2nd hand market.
You haven't mentioned what your exact issue is, what are you trying to change and why ?
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I was on the phone with HTC last night and according to the tech there the UMTS bands can be changed on the T-Mobile Sensation 4G, but this would require a custom rom. I am not sure if there are any roms out there that do this already.