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Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Nice find dude
edit: multi-touch confirmed!
Thanx! The Battle goes on for Microsoft and Apple. In 2009 Multitouch is a "Must"
z_rudy said:
Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
Link is working, but it's slow now..
Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Microsoft was investing in multitouch technology since years ago
Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Multi-touch is just a name. The technology has been around a long time, and MS even has an implementation in Microsoft Surface.
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
Surur
http://www.sendspace.com/file/imgb4m
http://download.yousendit.com/FC5662C918CDB87E
Link to mht file from above
I heard rumours(read some article on the net) about multitouch technology that it was a company in Finland who first came up with it, but after 6 months it just was developing "dead spots" on the screen, so they dropped the project. And now Apple "bought" it from them... I say once again Rumours.?
Thats it. Im keeping my WM5 device until further notice. I can survive off extracted WM6 apps until then....
this is from Apple insider about "dead spots" http://www.appleinsider.com/article...essing_dead_spots_on_iphone_touchscreens.html
!!!!
Wonder what it'll run on. Oh well, my Wizard probably won't run it (but here's to hoping it will)
How nice of the blog to spill Microsoft's new and secret ideas for all the competitors out there
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Now.. to be realistic, out of all the phones that are being sold with windows mobile how many do you think end up reflashed? I am willing to bet that it is quite a small percentage in the end. Most people don't want to get down and dirty with their phones, especially when they've already paid £400-£500 for it.
nvrnuff said:
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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WM is one of the few platforms where they would even consider giving updates. Even Symbian and Palm don't. Even on a computer they don't give Vista because we have XP.
As long as it runs compatible hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if develops here find a way to get it working. There's also always test builds on older devices. And it's still a long time before this is going to be released. It doesn't exactly make sense to purposely produce versions for hardware that could be old.
In short, we'll just have to see. There's no point making that speculation.
From the look of it (especially the fonts that have too much quality), the images are just mockups.
And given the Vista example, I bet it will look a lot worse when shipped than what we are seeing in these concepts.
Still, it's nice to see them and them evaluate how much work it takes to implement something that takes just a few days to design in Photoshop.
Can the Betas be far behind ?
Yeah, let's bring the battle to the fruitsuckers!
Some of the stuff looks similar to Pointui.
So I'm contemplating a new smartphone and I like many of the things about the TouchPro 2. But my biggest fear is that WM 6.5 is on the door step of being obsolete. With the announcement of Windows Phone 7, apps and updates for 6.5 still going to be out there? I expect that I'll use my phone for the next 2 years or so... I'd hate to keep seeing new and exciting stuff come around for the iPhone, Android, and WP7, with nothing new for the 6.5.
Am I right to be worried?
Your concern is fair. I have a TP2 and a HD2. The good news is there is a large number of software options out there for 6.5. Microsoft says that 6.5 is not being replaced by 7 but that does not mean developers are going to continue to create applications.
WM 6.5 is still supported for next 2-3 years so if you're going to buy a new phone in 2 years you are still fine with WM in my opinion. I just bought my wife a Touch2 few days ago.
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
alanrichey said:
I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
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i have the same feelings.
RAMMANN said:
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
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Is this really true? Is it impossible to renew the certificates, or develop applications after they have expired? Is the phone unusable after 2015? I am playing with the same thought to buy a Windows Mobile 6.5 device in near future, but if the phone locks after the certs expire, I have to think about better buying a Android Smartphone?! I don't really think that I will use my phone the next 4 years, but maybe if there are no good phones in future...
I think Windows Mobile is one of the most versatile OS on the market, because it is possible to run Android parallel from SD card. Only iOS is possible to do nearly the same. The next advantage is the huge know-how for such an old and durable system. Currently I'm using a XPERIA X1 and I never had the feeling that this OS (WM 6.1) is outdated. It is still timeless and functional. The usability is debatable, because you have a huge range of customization, user interfaces and a lot of free applications... The best thing is, that you can manage lot of things by modyfing the registry. With some tweaks I got my X1 to a very good performance. I would like to use it as second/spare phone in future
Hopefully anyone can answer my questions...
Best Regards
zyclop
P.S.: I don't want to buy an iPhone or a Windows 7 Phone, because WP7 has too many things missing and I would like to wait for a few updates and improvements first (maybe one or two years). iOS has too many restrictions for my requirement and iPhones are still too expensive.
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
qipengart said:
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
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Except that there are shed loads of other places to get apps from.
Compared with other app sites, MS Marketplace hardly has any apps for WM6.
The truth of the matter is that the phones won't suddenly stop working, WM has been renamed Windows Mobile Classic, there are plenty of sites providing apps for it, and no one knows how long this will continue.
But no new devices
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
stevedebi said:
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
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Holy necro-posting Batman.
just use android
efeguwewe said:
just use android
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It's not yet good enough.
I am prepared to get flamed for this or worse!
But will we have to wait until the fall for Mango?
Or will development versions of Mango find there way on to here or elsewhere?
As I say I have my flame proof jacket on!
Cheers
As far as I know the developer tools are already available. These include an emulator which can be used to test Mango apps.
Although I have not yet tried it out, things like multitasking should work while twitter and the new contacts features will probably be disabled just like they are in the current emulator.
However, there might be a hacked version which could reveal some new features (or let us use these newly announced features) in the emulator.
On an acutal device, I doubt there will be anything available anytime soon.
EDIT: wow I was wrong but actually I am happy that I was wrong: MS is working on getting Mango to developer devices before the consumer launch this fall: http://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore/status/73083901165322240
Official developers (like me) will probably get this but I don't know about the rest of you (jailbreakers).
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As far as I know the developer tools are already available. These include an emulator which can be used to test Mango apps.
Although I have not yet tried it out, things like multitasking should work while twitter and the new contacts features will probably be disabled just like they are in the current emulator.
However, there might be a hacked version which could reveal some new features (or let us use these newly announced features) in the emulator.
On an acutal device, I doubt there will be anything available anytime soon.
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AND HERE'S THE LINK!
I think you're misinterpreting "developers." They are only dishing it out to VIP developers and press, not just general public.
Well without a real developer device you can only write basic apps. Many features require testing on a real device.
Last year (before the release of WP 7) they gave out quite a lot of developer devices before launch running a beta version of WP7.
I guess that this year they will do it more or less like last year. One advantage is that devices are already availble and therefore They don't actually have to pay other companies to produce the phones.
However, they of coures cannot simply release Mango for developers like this July or so and then wait until October/November for the consumer release because people will be pissed if they see videos on youtube of mango and they see that it is out in the wild but they have to wait several months for it.
Therefore the release for developers will probably not be feature complete and maybe only include the features that are interesting to developers such as multitasking and the APIs but not twitter etc.
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I don't see why they would only release it to bigname developers. How many small to medium developers havent even converted to developing WP7 apps due to lack of Sockets and PIM info and API limits of the current version.
Microsoft wants developers and in order to get bigger better apps they need developers working on them as soon as possible. So releasing Mango early would be the only way to accomplish that. Even if people only became a developer and paid the $99 fee to get Mango early, what harm would that cause (besides slight temporary fragmentation)?
Microsoft would be making $99 and essentially charging money for an early upgrade and making way more money then their normal $15 OS licensing fee. I would consider paying $99 for Mango to get it early. I see only benefits as I could show off WP7 to people and this would encourage them to buy a WP7.
TriAxisFL said:
Microsoft wants developers and in order to get bigger better apps they need developers working on them as soon as possible. So releasing Mango early would be the only way to accomplish that. Even if people only became a developer and paid the $99 fee to get Mango early, what harm would that cause (besides slight temporary fragmentation)?
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This is what I believe as well.
Microsoft would want the apps that are released into the Mango App store on the release day (For a lack of a better term to differentiate) to be properly tested, so that when they go global with the Mango update (start focusing their marketing on Europe & Asia) they will have a huge new portfolio of well tested applications that integrate smoothly into WP7Mango.
Developers are also a lot more forgiving approaching bugs in a beta release of an OS than an end user. Devs are also a lot more thorough when it comes to reports on bugs which in turn will be a Win-Win scenario for MS with a more stable OS launch than not going this route.
Quick questions.. If they do release it early to developers, one do dreamspark regisitered developers count, and two will it remove my T-Mo branding?
It's my understanding that it will only be available to developers with unbranded retail phones.
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Confirmation from MS that it will be developer devices handed out to the big players and possibly given away as prizes at some point. Terribly predictable, disappointing and typical of MS! I think they've missed a huge opportunity here in not giving this update away.
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Well, here we are in September of 2011, Microsoft has declared Windows Mobile dead, and has even rolled out a new incarnation of their successor mobile OS, Windows Phone (Mango). Yet, a great many of us still find ourselves in a full-on love affair with our WM 6.5.x devices, like the HTC HD2, still enjoying a level of popularity unheard of for a two year old device. As they say, "the old girl still has life in her yet!" Unfortunately, for the Windows Mobile faithful, as things stand, the HD2 is the end of the line. It is the most advanced device they will ever enjoy, as it is the last, best device released, with the native ability to run Windows Mobile 6.5.x. There are MANY people who have decided, for one reason or another (let's not turn this into a "why do you still use WM" thread, as there is already one of those: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1210660 ) to keep using Windows Mobile, some people even going so far as to buy multiple older devices on ebay, instead of new ones, to ensure their ability to keep using their chosen OS.
This brings me to my purpose for creating this thread; With so many talented chefs still out there, who have accomplished so many groundbreaking things (Bepe & Cotulla, and Barin, etc... I'm talking to you, here!), and cooked so many incredible custom ROMs (Artemis, Dutty, Energy, Laurentius26, Elegencia, Kumar, Miri & Dinik, etc... that would be you!) and with so many people still loyal to
WM6.5.x, I believe that there exists justification and support for a concerted effort in porting Windows Mobile 6.5.3/5 to one of the newest HTC devices, like the Sensation, or ESPECIALLY the soon to be released www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-titan/ HTC Titan! Let us continue our support for the OS, and the community that has grown up around it. The HD2, as great, and as groundbreaking a device as it has been, does not have to be the end!
I offer this thread as a platform for the discussion of this subject, and hopefully the collaboration of an effort to extend the life of this aged, but still much alive, and much loved, mobile operating system.
I've looked, but i can't seem to find much on this. Does anyone know if Windows Phone 8 will be able to run on my 1st Gen Samsung Focus when it's released, or will it be too much for the older hardware to handle?
Its still too early to tell but it doesn't appear it will be updated officially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22592891
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It is way too early to tell.
Microsoft hasn't even announce Tango yet, let alone Apollo (Windows Phone 8).
I understood what I have is that if Tango will be available for first-generation devices and Apollo will not get to see it because multicore devices will run normal and the technology advances and we will remove our devices and buy a new one, asin is the technology
I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.
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Oh sure, even low-range Tango devices, which is apparently 2nd<->3rd gen devices, will get Apollo, and mid-range 1st gen devices dont? Its been said, all current WP's WILL GET Apollo, only with a few missing features due to hardware limitations. Its like those HTC devices, 1st gens don't have extra features like STK and Camera Mode, whereas 2nd gens have these nifty features.
Let me rub my crystal ball.... No answer
To the OP, you need to wait till there is More info, When they are starting beta testing, then I am sure by then everyone on XDA will know.
I'm starting to hate these posts. Like anyone here can tell the future...
I guess it could be worse, I could have a Android phone waiting for ICS from their carrier...
According to the following article the answer is NO for all (1st/2nd gen)
Sounds like current and upcoming Windows Phone 7.x devices won't receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 "Apollo."
All of you guys are just making assumptions and going off of rumors that some blogger has pulled out of their ass, lol. I personally feel it will be upgradable, especially considering Microsoft's history with being able to install an OS on significantly older hardware. Yes, we might be missing features, but, hello, the same thing happened on Mango. Afaik I don't have a gyroscope, so guess what, my phone doesn't utilize it. And that's my assumption on what's going to happen with Apollo. All devices will get it, it'll just have the tango-effect in the marketplace and with features.
I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.
EgoMaximus said:
I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.
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From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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Why was it shown to so many Nokia employees anyway? I understand if it was CEO only and few execs but now?
Are they trying to do something about it?
If not, I hope someone can release a port to single core phones
illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.
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I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.
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http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-flattered-with-apples-ios-5-windows-phone-features/
I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.
seraph1024 said:
I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.
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We were also once told that wireless carriers wouldn't be able to permanently hold back multiple updates; yet, AT&T continues to delay (or block, as they won't confirm either) 7740 and 8107 for all of their devices. I wouldn't believe anything you hear today, regardless of the source. When summer or fall comes around and Apollo is in the near future, I'd say that's when we'll begin to find out what their plans are. Though with wireless carriers taking more control of the update ecosystem (through the increasing lack of update transparency this year) I wouldn't be surprised if there is no official announcement from Microsoft at all. If Microsoft makes an Apollo build available for older generation devices I'd expect most carriers to sit on it for months, that is, if they ever release it.
Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!
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Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!
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LOL, people already whine about no WP8 update, yet they have no idea what it will bring to the table, all they want is a number. All I care about is bit locker encryption and quad core CPU, there is no way WP8 update will add this on my device.
- I want WP8 update
- Why?
- Cause it says 8
- I want Apple, Apple is the best
- Why?
- Cause it's Apple
Well, hopefully, MS will release a registry patch, which changes version number from 7 to 8, so everyone is happy.