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Touch Pro 2 or HTC Dream/G1?

Hi..... Im wondering whether I should get the htc dream, or the touch pro 2. The only thing that is holding me back is that the dream has been out for quite awhile but im not sure if touch pro 2 would be good as many say google android beats windows mobile. The reason im choosing between these two is because I want the qwerty keyboard. Would appreciate your help

Sexplosion said:
Hi..... Im wondering whether I should get the htc dream, or the touch pro 2. The only thing that is holding me back is that the dream has been out for quite awhile but im not sure if touch pro 2 would be good as many say google android beats windows mobile. The reason im choosing between these two is because I want the qwerty keyboard. Would appreciate your help
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Welcome to the forum
Design on TP2 is much much nicer
It has a better screen
I think also better processor (Not sure)
And Android is not as solid OS than WM, is just too young...
So TP2 definetly!

orb3000 said:
Welcome to the forum
Design on TP2 is much much nicer
It has a better screen
I think also better processor (Not sure)
And Android is not as solid OS than WM, is just too young...
So TP2 definetly!
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X2 on the TP2!

orb3000 said:
Welcome to the forum
Design on TP2 is much much nicer
It has a better screen
I think also better processor (Not sure)
And Android is not as solid OS than WM, is just too young...
So TP2 definetly!
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Okay, thanks

What about touch diamond 2? Or should I wait for touch pro2?

Sexplosion said:
What about touch diamond 2? Or should I wait for touch pro2?
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At the time that Touch pro 2 will hit the stores it will be the best phone in the market . This is my personal opinion.
About Android, you can't compare it with WM. Android lacks on variety of apps because it's not in the market for too long. I think that there are only 2 devices that using it. For WM you will find much more apps. The only good with Android is that it is based on Linux & that it is an opensource operating system. This means that it is easier for developers / programmers to make an app for it.-

Anyone have any convincing info on the Sprint launch date for the TP2?

just get a kaiser they cost much less.
or if you want to spend the money get an x1

nonzenze said:
Anyone have any convincing info on the Sprint launch date for the TP2?
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Not sure about sprint date but for the restof the world june 5th is the date announced

I would get the G1. It is fresh new and something different. It is my favorite phone on the market.

I would get the TP2 for many reason. The first because, as orb3000 said, Android is still somewhat young, and doesn't have nearly the support that WM does right now. And don't forget, that Android is open source, so the insanely-talented hackers/devs will probably port it in no time.
We Kaiser users already have an almost fully functional version of Android. And my thoughts on using it, is that Android is alright, but WM is far superior for now (and IMHO definitely superior with WM 6.5 running). Plus, I hear that the Touch Pro2's keyboard is amazing and the whole device performs really well.
Dave

HTC HD2 - What build is it on?

http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/product-tour.html
Anyone know what build its running? Because that looks seriously nice.
I may have to buy one. hehe

Starfury said:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/product-tour.html
Anyone know what build its running? Because that looks seriously nice.
I may have to buy one. hehe
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Man are you lost. lol j\k This is the Kaiser thread. I would ask your questions HERE
If you would have searched you would not have had to wait for someone to reply and might have your answer all ready.

<edit> Apologies if I seem a bit cold coming back I didnt see the "lol j/k" bit in your post till after...
Firstly the link you posted is for the Blackstone which is the Touch HD, not the HTC HD2 which looks like it has just been released.
Secondly as far as I was aware although I may be wrong we can port the versions of the software running on the OS across to the Kaiser? For instance the dialer I have on my Kaiser isnt from the Kaiser its from the Mega and I was under the impression that bits and pieces can be taken from other HTC phones.
Hence why I was asking what builds it was on as it looks nice.

Starfury said:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/product-tour.html
Anyone know what build its running? Because that looks seriously nice.
I may have to buy one. hehe
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It is running the new HTC Sense UI.
Be prepared to spend £549.99 (478.25 exc.) for it .

denco7 said:
It is running the new HTC Sense UI.
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Is it possible to port Sense UI to Kaiser?

SenseUI and the rest of the HTC HD2 shell appears (to me anyway) to be the newest variant of TouchFlo3D, which as we know the Kaiser with its limited resources doesn't play smoothly with.
If we could get TouchFlo3D as nice as Manilla, there'd probably be (more) ROMS with it cooked in.
~CYD

It is also a matter of screen real estate, which is why we only get half of the Manila 2.6 today.
Remember when we all thought our new Kaisers had this great big screen ?

I have Att Fuze(touch pro)
with Coreplayer where i can use the Pad to click forward on movie Videos
like a que forward while watching movies
Was wondering can we Set it on Volume control to forward Video ?
Cos will get a phone HD2
Please

Best Handset at the moment?

Please recommend me a new handset as I'm getting the bug for a new one again and I'm a bit out of touch.
I've had just about every handset HTC has ever made since the very first XDA I.
I'm not put off by size (I love and still use my Athena)
Must be fast and good at playing video/divx etc
Prefer some kind of flash.
I kinda like the Pro2 but worried its just a pretty face and no big performance increase?
Also concidering a Hero but worried about Android. Can I transfer all contacts, calender etc over ok?
Suggestions on a postcard please

The HD2 LEO is the latest and greatest with Snapdragon! See it's section for details:http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=532
But if u want a keyboard, then the TP2.

Touch Pro 2 is the best hardware keyboard device!
We always want more!!
Snapdragon in a few years will be nothing and we still want more speed, more performance......

I strongly recommend you to buy Touch Pro 2. It is more than just a pretty face. It has a tilting screen. It allows for optimum viewing angle when typing, it allows you to easily watch a movie without holding your device, and it's great if you're using GPS navigation in the car.

Thanks guys, any comments on the Hero?
Are they easy to mod and transfer contacts etc from WM?

Hero comments here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560143
All HTC devices can be modded thanks to XDA!!
All can be done (almost all )

Motorola Droid is announced tomorrow.
It'll blow the pants of anything we've seen yet.

orb3000 said:
Snapdragon in a few years will be nothing and we still want more speed, more performance......
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Made me laugh.

orb3000 said:
We always want more!!
Snapdragon in a few years will be nothing and we still want more speed, more performance......
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Hey orb, maybe there will be no keyboard and just visual & voice interface!
Also, there will be Kryptonite Batteries that go a year w/o a recharge!

don't worry about Android. I am a long time WM user, and had a G1 phone for almost a year now. Android is a very very nice system with a lot of software in the Marketplace.
That being said, I just got myself the new Acer neoTouch.
1 GHz Snapdragon, good amout of RAM, nice 3,8" WVGA screen, WM 6.5, configurable accelerometer, nice design, good build quality.
I would say, if you don't need a keyboard and don't want to wait for the HD2, this is the best device today. it is very speedy, has good usability and seems reliable so far.

Fuskand said:
Motorola Droid is announced tomorrow.
It'll blow the pants of anything we've seen yet.
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Shame it´s not an HTC device so it won´t have the great support of this forum. I´ll stick to HTC
KrewCial said:
Made me laugh.
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Me too
galaxys said:
Hey orb, maybe there will be no keyboard and just visual & voice interface!
Also, there will be Kryptonite Batteries that go a year w/o a recharge!
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LOL
Yeah mate, you are right

new phone help

I know theres a few of these threads,but also a lot of phones out there. my contract is up.currently got a blackstone want to upgrade. like the large screen and ability to customise. so looking for similar with lots of customisation. got sense on this so not really interested in hd2 if pretty much same as hd1? maybe even an Android os? also dont like the camera on my phone.so considering a Sony eric.or Samsung.any thoughts

my old man just got the Galaxy, i had a play with that over the weekend that's rather nice, and my friend has the X10 imo it sucks, as I understand with Android from my friend over the pond you cant really do half as much customising on Android as you can on WinMo i could be wrong,

Can´t compare Blackstone with Leo!
Leo is far away superior in all the fastest WM device to this date.
As for Android I would stick to HTC with WM

orb3000 said:
As for Android I would stick to HTC with WM
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How can he, when HTC aren't sticking with Windows Mobile?
I changed from WM to Android and haven't look back since. It's just better. Looking forward to seeing what WP7 brings to the table though. Not long now.

i did try loading android to my phone and it did look really nice, smoother. neater.
but didnt get to play with it too much as battery doesnt survive.
can android be customised like winmo?
i think most important for me is : i have tomtom on my HD, does android come with sat nav (for free) or will my tomtom work on it?
plus im looking for something that has a big screen, and it`ll keep me happy for 18mths at least, either with new improvements or new roms to be loaded and tried. new apps etc.

Barguast said:
How can he, when HTC aren't sticking with Windows Mobile?
I changed from WM to Android and haven't look back since. It's just better. Looking forward to seeing what WP7 brings to the table though. Not long now.
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Because WM gives me all that I need on my business/pleasure dialy usage, more solid, more mature OS is what I find on it, now waiting WP7 will make me stay out of Google Android hands for long time
Of course this is only my personal opinion

Why WP7 on HD2 ? I would rather have WinMo 6.5 on HTC 7 pro ...

Hello World,
I really don't understand why, but I know there are some people that want WP7 on their "old" devices like HD2 and that some great gurus on XDA are working hard to do it
Yet personally I just hate WP7 and I would like to know if the opposite initiative exists or would be possible : I would like to have good old WinMo 6.5 on newer hardware
I'd love to have something with at least 1 ghz horsepower like HD2, a big capacitive screen but also with a hardware keyboard like desire Z or HTC 7 pro ... running WinMo.
Do you know if there are some hacking attempts to make work wm 6.5 on new devices designed for wp7 or android ?
Cheers,
Nibbler.

Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.

There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.

z33dev33l said:
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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i think you will find android is just as able to launch a diffrent os .... linux based os's like ubuntu can be easly launched from android

Linux on top of linux isnt that impressive... and linux itself is kinda a letdown as is. I mean I know that its capable of a bunch of cool additional features but just like android you have to tinker with it for forever before it's usable.

uberamd said:
There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
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Give it time and I'm sure there will be plenty of people you can swap with

Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
I prefer Leo because I can switch between Android and WM and soon with WP7 and that´s the freedom I want on a phone.
Doubt WP7 will have the option to load WM but if I´m wrong probably then and only then I should consider it.

I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.

z33dev33l said:
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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I agree with you on both points : WM is the most versatile mobile OS ... and yes most of the time you have to tweak it a lot. Yet from my point of view, WM as a core and some graphical user friendly interface above like Sense gives to the user "the best of the two worlds" : a powerful and tweakable machine but also user friendly out of the box
orb3000 said:
Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
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I've also double quoted "Old" in my post
DavidinCT said:
I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
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Definitely

Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more

Just to try to clarify my thought :
even if certainly difficult, would it be possible or totally unthinkable to "cross-flash" let's say a tweaked HD2 rom, with some touch pro 2 keyboard drivers cooked inside, over a HD7pro or Desire Z machine if the hardware between HD2 and HD7pro/Desire Z are quite similar ?

orb3000 said:
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
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I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying

orb3000 said:
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
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One day working with WP7 on a hacked device gives you a firm base to run a compare of the two? I don't think so mate, that would be poor journalism at best.

Lord.Nibbler said:
I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying
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Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.

The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.

Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
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Just two points :
- In fact uglier or not uglier is just a matter of taste, so I wont argue on that even if I found the WP7 interface horrible ... The real point that is really ugly is that fact that m$ is becoming dictatorial and decided to prevent people to have the right to change it or customize it to suit their needs Personally I will never pay for an OS that will prevent me to do what I want to do. The OS must suit my needs, not the contrary
- And as for the tweaking ... if you take a phone like the HD2 WM+Sense, you have a pretty good power over user friendliness balance, certainly far far better than any of the WP7 devices...

zedd_D1abl0 said:
The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.
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I think you've maybe misunderstood me : I don't ask "why HD2 ?" because I also think it is by far the best smartphone on the market even today or why hacking which is more and more logical and legitimate when major companies try to restrict features as much as possible just to try to sell you a shiny new new revolutionary "copy & paste" upgrade a few month later...
My point is : for now I won't change my HD2, I don't think that I will find a better phone on the market in the near future...
I mean, hardware is improving and some really nice 1 ghz+ sliding keyboard like HD7 pro will be soon available... but for me WP7 is just a wobbly dumbphone OS that will prevent me to buy such phone.
But HD2 won't last forever ... so I was just trying to know if there would be a chance that the creativity of the xda gurus could be orientated to try to keep alive WM on newer hardware, as m$ certainly won't do it, as it is more profitable for them to push forward Wobbly Phone 7

GnatGoSplat said:
Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.
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And it's even better on a HD2 than on a diamond
The fact is that even if WM6.5 is dying ... there are still a lot more apps on WM6.5 than WP7 and you also find apps on WM that you won't find on Android or iPhone.
And developers are stopping to develop on WM6.5 because they think that there is no future...
But maybe if WP7 sales are very low, and power users still try to keep alive WM6.5 and show that they won't accept this forced regression ... maybe m$ will change their minds and they will give us back some power features, customisation and compatibility with WM6.5. After all, WP7 core is still windows CE based so it is just an artificial and arbitrary tie up.

They ditched all the easy access for a UI that's not terrible without a stylus. Fair trade in my opinion. I like 6.5 but I didn't like building up my hd2 with custom everything before I could call it functional. Complain about c & p all you want I never used it. I did however use the keyboard, the menus, the dialer, the SMS programs, email integration, etc. None of which could be considered useful if even functional on 6.5. I'll take an os i don't have to mod to make it awesome over one i can mod in a number of ways any time.