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Advice sought... my VIII is now GSM only

hi -
the problems: since flashing 2 weeks ago my vario III only works for voice and data in gsm only mode - with 3G enabled i generally can't make or receive a call or connect to data, but the device . Everything works when i switch to GSM only...
The complications/wierdness: straight after flashing a new rom or radio i have sometimes been able to get the device to connect to 3G or make a call - but this usually only last for one session or so.
What i've done: i've installed just about every combination of ROM and Radio i can find - including all of the 6.1 radios with Dutty's 6.1, the "official" vodafone 6.1 rom, alex's, schaps, and i've tried going back to 6.0 roms and the 1.27.12.32 and .11 radios but still the same
what is the verdict? bricked? or am i missing something....
<crosses fingers>

wilbur said:
hi -
the problems: since flashing 2 weeks ago my vario III only works for voice and data in gsm only mode - with 3G enabled i generally can't make or receive a call or connect to data, but the device . Everything works when i switch to GSM only...
The complications/wierdness: straight after flashing a new rom or radio i have sometimes been able to get the device to connect to 3G or make a call - but this usually only last for one session or so.
What i've done: i've installed just about every combination of ROM and Radio i can find - including all of the 6.1 radios with Dutty's 6.1, the "official" vodafone 6.1 rom, alex's, schaps, and i've tried going back to 6.0 roms and the 1.27.12.32 and .11 radios but still the same
what is the verdict? bricked? or am i missing something....
<crosses fingers>
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I don't think it's bricked.. if it was bricked your device wouldn't even turn on.
Did you hard reset after each flash?
Was it working before your original flash?

answers to both: yes
- working fine before i flashed it
- I've been obeying Dutty's rebooting advice - how could I ignore instruction given in bold AND capitals?

I'm having the same problems. Thinking of putting origional ROM with radio back on and removing hardspl and returning under warrenty but cant find origional splash screen anywhere! Help would be appreciated

had the same problem with my tilt...changed sim card ...different roms ...radios ...basically everthing i could do....but in the end called at&t and they sent me a replacement...goodluck

I had a similiar situation but with my GPS.
The Tilt I bought just 1 month ago was a GPS Champ, always acquired a lock quick. I had flashed XDA-Live v1.5 right over the at&t 1.62 Rom (after HardSPL of course).
Then I used th enew SIM/CID Unlocker (with the hacked Polaris Radio) and of course flashed back to the at&t Radio (from the leaked at&t 1.60 Rom).
Since then I had a coupel of times where the GPS locked-up and required a soft reset.
So yesterday I flashed a WM6.1 Rom and a Niki Radio as I've seen a lot of user report excellent results.
It made my GPS useless. I quickly reflashed XDA Live v1.5 (with the Radio from the at&t 1.60 Rom) but my GPS still seemed lost.
Ironically today is day #29 of the 30 on this Tilt so last night I removed HardSPL and flashed the Official at&t 1.62 Released Rom using the Official exe and everything figuring I'd returnt he unit today.
Wouldn't you know it, I tested the GPS and even on the untouched at&t Rom it was working better than it had ever worked before!
Now I know that the Radio in at&t 1.60, 1.61 & 1.62 are *supposed* to be the exact same but I can say that the over from at&t 1.62 fixed a problem that the 1.60 Rom's radio couldn't. Yes, I do a hard reset after each flash already.
Heck when my daughters return from Disney I'm going to flash the 1.62 version fo the at&t Radio onto my oldest's Kaiser and see if it improved her GPS also.

seems like everyone who replied has a tilt not a VIII. Are you sure your settings are correct for your network? that would be my first guess at this point input them manually and dont use the connection wizard app as sometimes it doesnt work right. also check your phone settings make sure its set to AUTO or UTMS only if all else falls force it into 3G mode using the Band settings post your results back please

martyotaku said:
had the same problem with my tilt...changed sim card ...different roms ...radios ...basically everthing i could do....but in the end called at&t and they sent me a replacement...goodluck
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hey I am having a similar problem at my house when i first got my tilt i have a very strong 3G signal here. That tilt messed up sent it in and this new one that i got worked just fine till i flashed a new rom on it now it wont pick up 3G unless i go somewhere else and come back to my apt. And yes i HardSPL'ed it and hard reset after flashing. I even went back to stock tilt rom and that didn't work. I have tried all the radio's on this forum from stock to the new imported NIKI radio's nothing has brought it back. When I go get the 3G signal elsewhere and comeback god forbid i have to soft reset because there goes 3G out the window and locked to edge. Should i return to AT&T for an exchange or is there a fix i'm not finding?

austinsnyc said:
seems like everyone who replied has a tilt not a VIII. Are you sure your settings are correct for your network? that would be my first guess at this point input them manually and dont use the connection wizard app as sometimes it doesnt work right. also check your phone settings make sure its set to AUTO or UTMS only if all else falls force it into 3G mode using the Band settings post your results back please
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The Tilt Roms by default don't allow manual band selection.
Bad Data settings wouldn't cause poor reception just inability to connect (regardless of 3G or Edge/Gprs) for data sessions.
Based on my experience I would say first test is to do the work and reset your phone to the latest shipped Carrier Rom for your Carrier and see if your problems persist.
When I was having my GPS issues I also had a few wierd Call issues like calls not disconnecting (I had to toggle the phone radio to actually end the call).

wilbur said:
hi -
the problems: since flashing 2 weeks ago my vario III only works for voice and data in gsm only mode - with 3G enabled i generally can't make or receive a call or connect to data, but the device . Everything works when i switch to GSM only...
<crosses fingers>
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I had the same issue with a t-mobile(UK) viii. The issue appeared after a while using the phone before I'd got into flashing different ROMS. In the end, i had the unit swapped out and the problems went away and have not returned. You can assume its a hardware issue. I went through the is it your SIM, is it this... is it that... after explaining that basically i was right next to a 3G transceiver in a big city.
Like I mentioned, this was a fault which developed after two months of no issues.
Old hardware version (looking under battery cover):
DATE:061107(TB02)/EU
New phone:
date:090807(RB01)/EU

I have had the same issue. I have returned the phone today and exchanged on my insurance. the new phone works fine.

thanks for all the feedback - shame there isn't a fix ..
austinsnyc: thanks for your help...
- i was using the connection wizard (difference i've noticed was that it includes a proxy server which i don't when i set up manually) so i created a new connection manually
- i've changed to 3G-only and i got "no service" (though i have previously got it to work)
- i put it on auto, it registered 2G then showed 3G signal in the taskbar. Tried to connect to my manually created connection - no joy: "cannot connect for an unknown reason etc".... then i got "no signal" for about 30 seconds, then full bars of gsm, then shows 3G again....
changed back to gsm only - works fine.
I'm not exactly sure t-mobile are going to take it back!... i'll have to hunt down the original t-mobile uk rom first....

got my new tilt in yesterday and it works totally fine like i thought in my apt. If you could wilbur i would definitely get a new one i think its the phone itself.

lol so i checked to see if switching off the 3g on my new kaiser then switching back would cause the same problem and it sure did so now im stuck with edge in my damn apt. again. I wonder if these new kaiser's they're shipping out are different than the old ones, when i first bought mine at launch oct.5, 07 i could switch back and forth between 3g. Now with 3 new tilts i have gotten i cant do it anymore this blows Damn i should have never given that first one away damn

so annoying...
i upgraded to the latest Dutty Rom (the 6.1 hybrid) - sure enough, straight away after flashing i was able to use 3G to make and receive calls, and to make a data call (but it was really slow)... then, within 30 minutes, i was back to the old phone: cannot connect a 3G call and no connection to data... so annoying - i'd almost prefer it didn't work at all than tempt me with the prospect that one day i'll find a rom that works...
anyway - I'm going to need to replace it - anyone know which rom/radio combo i'd need to flash to convince the guys at T-Mobile to take my VIII back? and btw - does anyone have any experience of trying to return handsets covered in scratches?

can anyone tell me if these problems are linked to Flashing ROMS? Since i had my last Vario 3 replaced ive been apprehensive about flashing if this is what broke the last one but i really want to flash it again.

noob trying to get his phone to work...

Hi guys, first post on the forums... so be a little patient, I hope I am in the right place.
I bought a used att Tilt last night and it came with windows mobile 6.1 already on it. I threw my sim card in there and it kept dropping signal. it would have signal for one minute and then lose it for a minute and then get it back. anyways I figured it was a botched install or something so I went to HTC's website and flashed the 6.1 update they have there.
RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_1.62.502.0
now it runs a lot faster and except it wont allow me to call out/connect to the internet or anything.
I do have 4 bars and it says I am connected to the ATT network but something isn't right.
if you guys could help me out that would be great but I am a little new to this so bear with me.

Does your SIM still work in your old phone? and can you receive calls(you only stated you can't call out)

does the signal keep popping in and out and the radio signal strength icon (where the bars usually are) have an exclamation mark when you have no signal?
if that is the case, i dont know the fix, but ive had two devices do the same thing. both would exhibit the same behavior with stock 6.1/6.0/many customs and many radio versions, spl 3.28/29/56 and 1.0, and returning them to stock. i still have one of them and was going to return it for service. i thought i might have been the evil radio problem, but it took every flash i threw at it and still had the same problem.
this is all with my sim that works in my two current kaisers/moto q/bj2/bb 8310 etc...
havent been able to figure it out...

When you go into BootLoader (Hold Power and Camera buttons and use stylus to push reset button) what does it say?

have you tried fashing a new radio?

rkub said:
have you tried fashing a new radio?
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I was thinking about it but I can't figure out how do to it without using a minisd card or whatever.

ndn715 said:
does the signal keep popping in and out and the radio signal strength icon (where the bars usually are) have an exclamation mark when you have no signal?
if that is the case, i dont know the fix, but ive had two devices do the same thing. both would exhibit the same behavior with stock 6.1/6.0/many customs and many radio versions, spl 3.28/29/56 and 1.0, and returning them to stock. i still have one of them and was going to return it for service. i thought i might have been the evil radio problem, but it took every flash i threw at it and still had the same problem.
this is all with my sim that works in my two current kaisers/moto q/bj2/bb 8310 etc...
havent been able to figure it out...
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sounds like the same issues although I haven't tried diff radios...

liquidfork said:
Does your SIM still work in your old phone? and can you receive calls(you only stated you can't call out)
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yeah sim works great on the old phone, no problems at all.

Wierd kaiser radio issue

I have been experimenting with various kaiser radios recently. I have had good success with almost every radio I try BUT about every 45 minutes I will no longer be able to send/receive text messages, make or receive phone calls... In order to re-establish connectivity I must pull the battery, but it back in. power the phone back up, I will be told I have no service. Then I must once again pull the battery and try again. Usually on the second try I will get a signal. At that point its anything but reliable, it will drop connectivity, but still report a signal anywhere form 5-30 minutes after.
Currently Im running the official 3.34.721.2 WWE rom, 1.65.21.18 radio, and SPL-1.0.OliPof. I have a kaiser 130, unbranded, and my carrier is AT&T.
The issue existed with pdacorner v18, and every 1.7x.xx.xx I tried.
What am I missing?

My first guess would be your SPL, it's hella old. Try upgrading that to one from here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420683
3.29 is most recommended one for newer roms

ok, flashed 3.29 hard2, i will have a status report in 30 (ish) minutes

Ok I tested the SIM in another phone, just for quality control. I no longer even get a signal. I tried both the 1.65.21.18 and the 1.71.09.01 radios. I also hard reset just for good measure for both radios. is there some kind of master-reset for the radio? i am going to leave the battery out for the rest of the evening.

After leaving the kaiser with the battery out for 6 hours, I still have the same issues. It plain doesn't make sense. Does anyone have any ideas?

reflash the stock at&t wm6.0 rom let it go threw its set up and all, then reflash the stock att 6.1 rom! i had similar issue with my phone at one time and just reflashing att 6.1 didnt fix it, had to do att6.0 then att6.1 then i was back up and running

Ok, I flashed the oldest wm6 wwe rom I could find. The problem did not get any better, I can no longer use wifi. What is the cause of this nonsense!!

similar problem here, but I had not updated the phone at all at this point. This week I've now tried AT&Ts official 6.1, HTC 3.34.721.2 with radio 1.70.19.09, nothing works.

Where about in the country are you guys located? Also, we should take this discussion to the radio thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182
Please answer these for us:
Location!!!! Be specific, ie Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Also, what is the exact current state of your phone? ROM info, Radio info, Hard SPL info.
As well, what phone were you using previous to the Tilt, or is it a problem that just surfaced? I know that if you don't have an AT&T 3G SIM card, it will have major issues if you try to use it with a 3G phone.

the0ne.john said:
Ok, I flashed the oldest wm6 wwe rom I could find. The problem did not get any better, I can no longer use wifi. What is the cause of this nonsense!!
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Sell your Tilt and but a Tracfone. J/K

Same Issues
I'm having the same issues as the OP. I'm in Dallas, TX and I've tried different radios on several ROMs.
Currently I'm using radio 1.65.24.36. I've tried 1.71.09.01 and 1.65.16.25 also.
I'm attempting to flash back to an ATT OEM ROM, but judging from the OPs posts it seems like it might be a waste of time. My sim card is 3G and the phone was purchased in November. I might try getting the sim replaced and see what that does.

Swede405 said:
I'm having the same issues as the OP. I'm in Dallas, TX
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It is a known problem with AT&T 3G services in cebteral Texas... it is a bit of an insider's secret. There is an excellent thread on www.phonescoop.com where AT&T emoyees discuss the matter. It is also prevalent in other areas of the country, and is a result of the switching boards for the 3G service not talking with one another properly.
Finding the right radio does make a difference, but it wil not be miraculous in it's improvement. I will post a link to the thread when i get a chance tomorrow afternoon, but if you go to phonescoop on your own, do a search of the forum for AT&T centeral texas and itshould bring it up in the first couple of results.
Here is the direct link for the thread talking about this:
http://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&ff=4&fi=2015964

No signal - Reflashed 3 times

Today my phone has been switching from no signal to signal
and now it refuses to get any signal
i have tried changing the radio
reflashed stock rom
then reflashed a modded rom
and each one has the same result ...
any other ideas what could be wrong?
i get signal if i put the sim in another phone
so its definately phone related

make sure the radio matches the rilphone.dll?

yep
same .dll from the radio package
have a feeling its some internal problem
cuz the sim is fine otherwise
grr

What about Edge?
I had a LOT of frustrations with mine a couple of weeks ago, then, just to play a hunch, I disabled 3G, and went back to edge and it worked perfectly. Sent an email to the deathstar, and they sent back saying they were having 3G problems. Reading over on boygeniusreport.com, a LOT of people are having trouble with 3G. At&t doesn't have the bandwith to support all the apple iPhone fanboys I guess.
Probably not what's causing your issue, but might be worth a try...save you from pulling your hair out.

Vish112 said:
Today my phone has been switching from no signal to signal
and now it refuses to get any signal
i have tried changing the radio
reflashed stock rom
then reflashed a modded rom
and each one has the same result ...
any other ideas what could be wrong?
i get signal if i put the sim in another phone
so its definately phone related
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First Take your Phone out of the Faraday Cage.
p51d007 said:
I had a LOT of frustrations with mine a couple of weeks ago, then, just to play a hunch, I disabled 3G, and went back to edge and it worked perfectly. Sent an email to the deathstar, and they sent back saying they were having 3G problems. Reading over on boygeniusreport.com, a LOT of people are having trouble with 3G. At&t doesn't have the bandwith to support all the apple iPhone fanboys I guess.
Probably not what's causing your issue, but might be worth a try...save you from pulling your hair out.
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If this doesn't help, disabling 3G, you may have to do a warranty exchange.

left battery out all night (last night)
then i reconneced it this morning
and everything seems to working fine
must have been some internal static
thanks dudes

[solved] - GB modem - loss of signal

Ever since I flashed GB I have not been able to get signal in my work (3 bars on stock froyo).
I used the stock modem in Valhalla.
Then I tried KF2....
Each time I go to mobile networks, it wont even recognize T-Mobile, only shows AT&T.
I went outside at work, searched again, and was able to register fine. I do not think it is an IMEI or hardware issue because of this.
I searched, but did not find much.... is this odd or common?
Anyone have suggestions for this?
Thanks.

I've had the AT&T thing happen before with some GB modems, but only if I am in an area with really really week signal (like inside my condo). I flashed the KD1 modem, and it does work a bit better.
With KD1, I can get 1, sometimes 2 bars if I put the phone in a certain spot on my dresser, and it won't jump to AT&T.

Nice, will try that one now. Coincidence that I had t-mo swap my sim card yesterday. I am on the phone with them now to see what they can do, if anything.
I'll give it a whirl soon.

Well, called T-Mo... they tried some things... no luck. Flashed a few modems... no luck.
Now, it is working. Maybe just an outage here.