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Touch Cruise & iGo 8

iGO 8 seems to be officialy available for PDA.
I'm wondering how well iGO8 runs on our TC ? Is the display in 2D and 3D usable on our device ? (speed)
I could not find any valuable information about the TMC support in iGO 8 : How does it work ? what do you need to makes it work (additional component or internal one) ? It there a way, like TomTom, to use some Traffic info from internet or only from RDS sources ?
Without TMC Premium my point of view is that in a city like Paris, Berlin or London a GPS is useless that's why I'm very interested to know if anyone has tested it on TC before buying it.

I have only tested the beta
The beta seems to work quite nice in both 2D and 3D. Rumors say that it's advisable to use a 500Mhz+ device, but Polaris did its job very well.
You don't need any other components for the phone to run IGO 8. You would need a gooseneck for the car though.

Thanks for your feedback.
So if I do not need any other components how is working TMC in iGO 8 ??? Does it uses the internal FM/RDS of TC to get Traffic info ? If yes, is it able to get the Premium (crypted) traffic info (this in the only one valuable in my country, free TMC is useless) ?

ribero said:
Thanks for your feedback.
So if I do not need any other components how is working TMC in iGO 8 ??? Does it uses the internal FM/RDS of TC to get Traffic info ? If yes, is it able to get the Premium (crypted) traffic info (this in the only one valuable in my country, free TMC is useless) ?
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You can't use TMC via the internal FM on the Cruise!!
Regardless of the used gps software.
TDO

All 3D apps are working just fine... until you touch the screen (there are some exceptions like pocket quake and alike...)

TDO said:
You can't use TMC via the internal FM on the Cruise!!
Regardless of the used gps software.
TDO
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So, it means no TMC in iGO for cruise. Right ?
If I haven't missed something, iGO do not have services like TomTom Plus for Traffic information, conclusion : iGO 8 has no Traffic Information support on cruise (neither in TMC nor GPRS/3G).

ribero said:
So, it means no TMC in iGO for cruise. Right ?
If I haven't missed something, iGO do not have services like TomTom Plus for Traffic information, conclusion : iGO 8 has no Traffic Information support on cruise (neither in TMC nor GPRS/3G).
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No you just need a bluetooth gps receiver which supports TMC ...
TDO

Best car navigation solution for Raphael?

Hi there,
I am looking for a good car navigation solution for Raphael (for travelling in Europe). After reading infos about TT which seems to work at least with the latest releases and Navigon (for which I am not that sure ...), I now read about Tele Atlas McGuider which also seems to be quite good and even less expensive, but it seems to lack TMC or other traffic assistance support which is crucial for me (radio broadcasted or via internet, I do not mind, but it is a must).
I know that there are some other solutions out there. I wonder if you guys have experiences to share, also w/regard to VGA screen resolution and so on.
Thanks!
Eriol

I like the CoPilot Live, works very well and has a nice look and feel.

Co Pilot live is ok, but the traffic part of it is rubbish compared with tomtom. There is no visual display of traffic incidents ahead on the map, only a description that pops up with incident details which you either avoid or ignore. You can set it to automatically reroute, but you dont know whats going on. In my opinion, tomtom is currently the best.
I also found co-pilot slow to scroll around the map, but there again i dont have a fast mem card. Unfortunately there si no trial version available. make sure you get the version specific for the HTC diamond (also compatible with Touch Pro). It can be purchased online (from handango) cheaper than most retail stores.

Thx to both of you! I still would like to compare TomTom with McGuider ...
Eriol

McGuider
Hello,
I am using last version McGuider (7.x I think) and it work fine, but map and icons are too small, I and don't know if it can be repair.
Please if some one use thist program please write down here about how work.
Bye

Garmin XT is the best imo. TT cannot hold a candle to Garmin.

iGO 8
I think iGO 8 is the best solution for Raphael

Navigon
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen

jochenandries said:
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen
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Hi Jochen,
I have a stand alone PNA running Navigon 6.5, and I like it, too. But my experience with Navigon, especially running on my HTC Wizard (MN 6.x), is that the route calculation is rather slow and the whole app is not that fast on a PDA. This might be different on a Raphael due to processor speed, though. We also will use an Xperia X1 here: Is it possible to run MN7 on 800x480 screens?
Eriol

i maybe wrong, but some navigation programs will only run when the supplied memory card is installed. Installing the maps to another card will not work which therefore means you have to swap cards when using the software. Check before you buy!!!

jochenandries said:
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen
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Navigon is nice-- but once you're in the tunnel and lose signal it would say you've reach your destination I also don't like its route calculation-- it's giving me a longer route than tomtom

To my mind ist the default navigation (TomTom 7.451) the best. it uses vga, is fast, new maps
Eriol said:
Hi there,
I am looking for a good car navigation solution for Raphael (for travelling in Europe). After reading infos about TT which seems to work at least with the latest releases and Navigon (for which I am not that sure ...), I now read about Tele Atlas McGuider which also seems to be quite good and even less expensive, but it seems to lack TMC or other traffic assistance support which is crucial for me (radio broadcasted or via internet, I do not mind, but it is a must).
I know that there are some other solutions out there. I wonder if you guys have experiences to share, also w/regard to VGA screen resolution and so on.
Thanks!
Eriol
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ardsar said:
Co Pilot live is ok, but the traffic part of it is rubbish compared with tomtom. There is no visual display of traffic incidents ahead on the map, only a description that pops up with incident details which you either avoid or ignore. You can set it to automatically reroute, but you dont know whats going on. In my opinion, tomtom is currently the best.
I also found co-pilot slow to scroll around the map, but there again i dont have a fast mem card. Unfortunately there si no trial version available. make sure you get the version specific for the HTC diamond (also compatible with Touch Pro). It can be purchased online (from handango) cheaper than most retail stores.
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In Copilot7 there is indeed visual display of incidents ahead on the map, you also can get to incident-specific info in just three taps, reporting delay and other usefull info........
No need for automatic rerouting, you can let Copilot ask you what you want to do, after you have read the incident-info and delay time.....
No need for the diamond-version either, regular version runs great on my Touchpro....
See.......................you we're allmost right.....

Someone tried Navigon Mobile Navigator 7 for PDA on Raphael?
Is it compatible and full working?
Before then I buy, I asked to the support team, but no clear response about it.
Thanks.

NAVIGON Mobile Navigator 7 can work fine on Raphael, with this simple workaround.
You need a GPS port replicator (like Franson GPSgate) to solve the GPS signal stability problem on MN7.
I hope this can help who love this product family.

TomTom 7.451 + Maps + TMC RDS?

Hey people,
I've had my touch pro for a few days and im LOVING it!
I installed TomTom and got me some maps, but now I was wondering if I can activate TMC via RDS of the FM Radio.. since HTC has one built-in!
TMC is the traffic radio and gives information about accidents and roadblocks etc.. it would be very useful and FREE!

Have been a big fan of tomtom for more 4 years, I never hear of tomtom and "activate TMC via RDS of the FM Radio" Tomtom does provide plus services (weather, traffic, etc...) but it costs 10$/month; however, they still not allow to run on tomtom 7 yet.

They made TMC devices for TomTom Go, and said it wasnt going to be available for the PDA (they were talking about TT6).
So im not sure.. maybe if some skilled scripter would make a script.. ill mail tomtom to ask fro more info..

If I'm not mistaken, TMC for Tomtom is downloaded via GPRS, not with RDS.

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If I'm not mistaken, TMC for Tomtom is downloaded via GPRS, not with RDS.
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True and by the way for FM radio use you need the headset to be plugged in...

I know the chipset in our phones supports TMC but im not sure you can have both TMC and the radio features available at the same time, if not it would make sense for HTC to enable the fm radio instead as it is a saleable feature of the phone (much more so than TMC for most of their customers)

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I know the chipset in our phones supports TMC but im not sure you can have both TMC and the radio features available at the same time, if not it would make sense for HTC to enable the fm radio instead as it is a saleable feature of the phone (much more so than TMC for most of their customers)
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hi all,
can anybody give me the link of tomtom software and maps that i can download for free???
Thank you...

The cab can be found on the forum - do a search for TTN7 but you will have to pay for maps.
Please don't ask members for free maps unless you want to be banned from the forum.

Internet connection required for GPS???

Hello, I downloaded a GPS program that is supposed track where i've been when its running, no maps or anything just a line. My question is, Why does my phone keep connecting to the net when I start the program and turn on the GPS? Does the net need to be connected to use the GPS?
TIA
Si Cwan

Only if you have aGPS enabled or if your program requires it.

I doubt you could be too much more vague (well okay you could have left out that it is a GPS program) in your inquiry.
I would suggest firt that you ask this question on the site where you got the GPS program and second maybe provide a little of of which of the many GPS programs this is so that if someone has specific knowledge of that app they might actually be able to reply.

I should have just asked if an Internet connection was required to use the GPS Receiver in this (AT&T Fuze) phone...
the program i'm talking about is this one here, NoniGPSPlot

It doesn't look like that program requires an internet connection, so my earlier post still applies.
If you have aGPS turned on, then it will try to connect to the internet first, this is because its assisted-GPS and will contact your provider's servers to help get a GPS fix.
If you have aGPS turned off, then no, you don't need the internet.
Check Start > Settings > System > AGPS Settings.

Just to use the GPS Receiver no you don't need internet.
For navigation with maps you have 2 options:
1) Internet based such as google maps & Live Search, these require a constant internet connection.
2) Device based such as TomTom, Garmin, iGO etc, these store the maps locally on your storage card so no internet connection is required.
The program you linked to doesn't appear to even use maps and works by simply showing your position in relation to saved positions allowing you to navigate (like a compass) in their general direction. This would be useful for maritime navigation, flight navigation and GeoCaching but certianly not all that useful in your car as a travel aide.

Thanks to both of you!
Yea, I planned on using it to map out some four wheeler paths my friends have, i dont need a map for that, at least not how i want to use it for.
which brings me to my next question (which i might have to start a new thread)
which GPS Nav software is best on the fuze? i've heard of the 3 you posted, but I thought that iGo had a problem with WM6.1

Now your next question is very subjective, it depends on what your looking for.
I hated Garmin, really jumpy and resource heavy. The lag was laughable.
TomTom was nice, maps were good turn my turn was nice. The voice prompts were usable. Where TT excelled was the UI, just simple and clean. Used both v6 & v7.
iGO8 (later builds) work fine on WM6.1 (used it both on my Kaiser & Fuze). Didn't really like the UI but in the end it was what I used until I dumped the Fuze. Why did I stick with iG0? The TTS (text To Speech) Turn by Turn voice prompts. Instead of "Turn Right in 400 yeards" (TomTom) it said "Prepare to turn left in 1/2 mile on IL 31 Main Street"! The maps were slightly more up to date also.

There's a number of threads on this in the software section here.
iGo works fine with WM6.1. Garmin is also nice but doesn't have TTS. TomTom is good also.
TomTom doesn't have my subdivision in their maps as well as a few other places I go, so that's why I don't use it.

kyphur said:
Now your next question is very subjective, it depends on what your looking for.
I hated Garmin, really jumpy and resource heavy. The lag was laughable.
TomTom was nice, maps were good turn my turn was nice. The voice prompts were usable. Where TT excelled was the UI, just simple and clean. Used both v6 & v7.
iGO8 (later builds) work fine on WM6.1 (used it both on my Kaiser & Fuze). Didn't really like the UI but in the end it was what I used until I dumped the Fuze. Why did I stick with iG0? The TTS (text To Speech) Turn by Turn voice prompts. Instead of "Turn Right in 400 yeards" (TomTom) it said "Prepare to turn left in 1/2 mile on IL 31 Main Street"! The maps were slightly more up to date also.
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I like the Garmin interface, but I wish the maps flowed like iGo and TomTom instead of updating once a second.
The only reason I keep Garmin on my card is because it uses better routes than iGo sometimes. Even though I have the newest Navteq maps for both and have tried all routing settings, Garmin always gave me the most logical routes while iGo would give me longer ones.

sicwan said:
Thanks to both of you!
Yea, I planned on using it to map out some four wheeler paths my friends have, i dont need a map for that, at least not how i want to use it for.
which brings me to my next question (which i might have to start a new thread)
which GPS Nav software is best on the fuze? i've heard of the 3 you posted, but I thought that iGo had a problem with WM6.1
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Referring to your 4x4 stuff (not the navigation), you might want to check out sportsdo.net. They have a pretty good system for off-road adventures (I use it for mountain biking and hiking). There are no maps, but you can upload your tracks to there portals, and it will show you where you've been on a google-map sort of display. It also tells you elevation gains and losses and a bunch of other things (internet connections aren't needed while using sportsdo, but you can upload you're stuff remotely if you have one).

Navigation software review for HTC Vox / S710

Hi,
i tried several navigation solutions for vox, and here is a little review:
1. Sygic Mobile / McGuider
+ works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
+ good graphics while navigation
+ no bluescreens (at all)
2. Navigon Mobile Navigator 7
+ best graphics while navigation
+ fast route calculation
- doesnt works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
- crashes operating system so that you have to do a hard reset.
- doesnt recognize GPS-settings from last use
3. Garmin Mobile XT
+ works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
+ fast route calculation
- works to slow to navigate, gives hint "turn right" when you already passed the crossing.
4. Route 66
+ works on WM Standard without additional software (like FakeCoursor)
no further testing because i didnt find a "free" map to test
Hope this "little" review helps some people looking for navigation software for vox.
I use an external gps - Jentro BT-GPS-8U.
Greets
Alex

Nice little compilation.
I am using Garmin Mobile XT and I never found it too slow (except when you're using the preview of turns which then takes too long to switch back to normal view). I have been using it here in Germany as well as in Scotland and it always found a pretty good route (except for a small street on a small scottish island hehe).
I am using a Bluemax GPS receiver.

You forgot to mention Tom Tom which with version 7.915 (I don't remember the build...maybe 9196) has become pretty usable without a fake cursor.
Also regarding my experience...McGuider is the nicer but the less reliable...something you can't thrust in.
GarminXT, is pretty decent to use, and more reliable...as stated by Frauhottelman...sure it isn't the smoother thing you'll see in your life...but, hei, you're running it on a 200 Mhz TI OMAP CPU.
TomTom ...i'm starting hating it...it does whatever it wants...IMO...On my Fuze it simply ignores the settings you set in it...and keep you crossing field roads...LOL.. damn it!
So my 2 cents go for the Garmin.
P.S: Whenever you'll go to the WM Pro platform...my suggest point all theway out for the Igo experience.

Did you test any of these without GPS connected, i´m thinking it could be used as a normal roadmap for finding your way without GPS.

Hey
anybody know why i cant get the device id for my vox in ttnavitor.bif?
flyboy

Murd0ck said:
Did you test any of these without GPS connected, i´m thinking it could be used as a normal roadmap for finding your way without GPS.
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If you were talking to me...only for some seconds, just to see what path did they decide...not in real driving need. Sorry.

TheBo said:
If you were talking to me...only for some seconds, just to see what path did they decide...not in real driving need. Sorry.
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Just new users for vox ) - toons of questions, without prior reading - just new phone where user is very new to wm or ever smart phones
m32

dear brothers
do you mean that s710 is GPS enabled ????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no gps built into the vox BUT it has bluetooth + if you have a bluetooth gps mouse like from ebay etc you will have a gps signal as good as or better than most gps enabled cellphones...