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Note: This is a custom firmware but it is DEFINITELY the best and should have been a company of its own! Damned it isn't. It even lets your mono bluetooth headset listen to music!!!!!
ROM OF THE YEAR!!!
Since HTC issued new IPL/SPL version 2.xx.0001, all tools that we use to cook the customize rom to be a single nk.nbf file can not be used because nk.nbf structure are different from the previous version. We were trying to hard to solve the problem. Futunately, we found the new method that save and convenince, because it will not touch with bootloader. Just active sync prophet with pc then run UPGRADE_ROM.bat.
This method can be used with any version of IPL/SPL of SPV M600, Qtek S200, i-mate JAMin, Dopod 818 Pro, XDA neo. Need not to unlock CID.
DAMobiz Customized Rom can be download from here:
http://files.pdamobiz.com/ROMs/XDA/...n_Upgrade_Rom_for_IPLSPL_2.15.0001_v.1.02.rar
Step by step to upgrade rom
1. Backup all data in Prophet, then hard reset it. You can also use the method of Clear Storage in menu, Start -- Settings -- Clear Storage.
2. After Hard Reset, tap at the screen 1 time, and stop at Align Screen.
3. Plug usb cable at Prophet to start ActiveSync, then click at Cancel.
4. Prophet will connect with PC as Guest.
5. Go back to folder that you unrar (www.rarlab.com) then click at UPGRADE_ROM.bat.
Wait....
Wait.... It's now finished with extended rom, then the next is OS rom.
6. After finish, you may hard reset by press and hold at Camera and Voice Dial, then depress at reset. Still hold camera and voice dail until you get the screen as below:
Press at send to format, then it reboots.
At the buttom left, it shows "PDAMobiz.com" that is pdamobiz customized rom. To get all program of pdamobiz customized rom, you have to let extended rom program install until it complete.
PDAMobiz customized rom has only 3 Thailand operators, you may add your own file before upgrade rom to "extrom" PC folder and autoconfig.txt to have your own country autoconfig.
Plenty of wonderful software, you may see the whole pictcure at: (sorry there is no translation)
http://www.pdamobiz.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60019
If during upgrading you have some problem, and it stuck at bootloader 3 colors screen. Just download below files, run upgrade rom with that file, after you can boot normally, you can upgrade this customized rom again, becuase this customize rom need active sync only.
http://files.pdamobiz.com/ROMs/XDA/Prophet/RUU_Prophet_2151327_21513121_021921_DOP_ASIA_WWE_Ship.exe
Thank you very much to itsme, the Administrator of http://www.spv-developers.com for his utilities, machinegod for enablerapi, buzz, the Admin of www.buzzdev.net for unlocker of prophet extended rom, RuChonburi for his customized rom.
By the way I make 3 very small utilities, those are sleep4 (wait 4 second), clattr.exe (clear file attribute of \extended_rom) and roattrib.exe (set read only attribute for files in extended rom), to automize the process to 1 click at UPGRADE_ROM.bat
Caution! There are some risks to upgrade rom, please use your own risk, we shall not responsible for any damage.
(TAKEN FROM A SITE CALLLED en.pdamobiz.com who created this ROM! They rock..forget about Imate roms and anything else! )
[Guys n' Gals - I've been asked to pin this. If you feel it doesn't need pinning, PM me. If you feel it's incorrect or misleading, let me know. If you are happy with it, comment below]
1. Anybody tried that on JAMin?
2. Any succes stories on DOWNGRADING back to JAMin Rom after this?
3. Is it FASTER(the overall working process) than latest I-mate's one?
4. Russian dialpad working with this one?
Not before i receive answers to that shall i try this out as if it's no satisfying on 3rd question there's no need in it for me, as i know how to install cabz myself, even though it may not be in 1 click, but since we're out of battery dead-data lost problem it's not a thing to worry anymore, and i cant say if i really need all that bunched into my tiny device.
1. Anybody tried that on JAMin? - YES!! ME!!!
2. Any succes stories on DOWNGRADING back to JAMin Rom after this? - You can never downgrade with Prophet after you hit the version 2.x systme without using 3rd party software roms.
3. Is it FASTER(the overall working process) than latest I-mate's one? - It autostarts with Omap clock at 240 speed and overall its about 3x faster than Imates latest 2.13 rom.
4. Russian dialpad working with this one?
- Yes
5. Note this - Battery Lasts longer (dont know how they did it. but it gave me 7 hours talk time compared to ImateJamins usual 4-5 NON STOP. weird...
More Notes - It has lots of nice software inside and basically makes you feel like its a fully loaded system and yet faster than ALL (Not just the last) Imate JamIn one. If you need my creditibility go to Imate jamin offiucial support forum (clubimate) and see my id shivam / shivamxp. Posted alot there before I dumped the Jamin Rom for this baby!
Not before i receive answers to that shall i try this out as if it's no satisfying on 3rd question there's no need in it for me, as i know how to install cabz myself, even though it may not be in 1 click, but since we're out of battery
ps - forgot to same . the exntended rom is also unlocked by default, a nice set of media players that play almost everything in video n music - mp4, divx ,etc. It has a great file manager. Bluetooth headset can grab any programs music or video whether it be media player or real media or some other program. basically all sound from ur device can get forwarded to ur MONO bluetooth (now even regular bts without stereo can get great sound n music).
Man, i DONT want device to start with omapclock and god, feels like u r so Xcited 'bout this that seems like YOU made this Rom. If there's no rollback, i pass it out.
http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/PDAforum_posts.asp?TID=440&PN=1
are the guys who made it ...PDAMOBIZ...but i used it and was shocked to see it just so d*** good.
Ive used Prophet and seen it suck up as bad as an O2mini (no offence HTC Mag guys)...i used to have a o2mini ..moved to this and definitely both are sucky (speed n feature) just the compactness. Seeing this new rom, everything that made my views so negative are gone EXCEPT i still want a bigger screen the real vga..
anyways, dont install it if you dont wanna...just dont blame me if two weeks later theres a big hype and you say i didnt listen cuz i was too over occupied or wanted to wait...you can wait all you want...you sure wont lose anything..youll just be delaying your gain.
Look im comparing this rom against the current Roms of "Imate" and IMHO this rocks..sure wait as much as you want, but then again a guy who made similar posts earlier (check my post logs) about Imate Software and support on the forums there sucking...well your choice.
heyy shivam, looks promising, but can u possibly upload the rom somewhere? the link u supplied is ridiculously slow (1.3kb/s)
thx
lookin forward to trying this out as im not too impressed with my spv m600 after coming from the great jam
for the person who use XDA Neo, don't use this rom now as before using this rom, it is neccessary to unkock CID first, but the programmer of this rom said that he still haven't known how to unlock CID for device that has IPL 2.15.0001 and SPL 2.15.0001.Fortunately, he said that in a couple days, he will have a solution for this problem (to help you unlock CID) and then you will be able to use this rom on xda neo.
I have not much knowledge about this pda phone. However, I am Thai so that why I can understand all the topic in the original link of this rom. So I just want to translate this point to you guy to prevent you from wasting your time and any harm that might happen to your device.
Anyway, this rom is very good rom, have evreything you want, help your mobile much faster than before, and will help you a lot, so wait until programmer has solution for CID then upload it.
Has anyone with a Qtek S200 tried this?
I want to take the plunge and I have done lots and lots of ROM mods and upgrades to my former Himalaya and a friend's Blue Angel, but I would love to know if there is some way to backup my original ROM beforehand.
Thanks for the find tho!
P.S.- Can someone please upload this ROM to the XDADevs FTP????? the TX is really slooooooooow..... .4 kbps!!!
God bless!
Rayan
Ist it possible not to install some of the included programs ? (like vxutil, Regeditor, CallFilter, image maker, calculator,opera and Realplayer of course ...)
Like deleting them from the extrom before upgrading?
Reason is, that i already use some nice programs that i got used to, and i dont want to waste some extra memory on programs i will most likely not need.
Edit: any way to change the omap clock Startup MHz ?
Greetings
In order to avoid installing any unneeded software on the ExtROM, just Soft Reset just before they install after a Hard Reset.
Then you should go to the extended rom and manually install whatever apps you want by clicking on them.
Do you already downloaded this rom?
Can you please Upload it to the xda developers ftp?
That would be great...
Thanks!
Rayan
@Rayan - i know how to avoid installing the extrom - i was wondering if some of the programs are included in the normal rom.
Didn't download it yet - i will wait for some more experiences
Rayan said:
Can someone please upload this ROM to the XDADevs FTP????? the TX is really slooooooooow..... .4 kbps!!! [/b]
Rayan
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Finished upload:
_ftp://[email protected]/Uploads/prophet-roms/Customize_rom_PDAMobiz_Editon_Upgrade_Rom_for_IPLSPL_2.15.0001_v.1.02.rar
G-Luck!-)
Thanks for the upload matey.
Howdy Boys and Girls
Well I took the leap and installed the Rom described here, on a new Imate Jamin I bought last week down here in Australia.
The existing Rom on the Jamin was the latest from the Imate website.
"JAMin_WWE_213923_2139123_022021_ship"
First of all let me say that after upgrading to the Pdamobiz version, I was able to restore the Rom back to the original Imate version.
That should answer the questions of a few wondering if it's not all it's made out to be you can always go back to what you had.
Onto the new Rom.
The Jamin I have according to Omapclock runs at 180Mhz. With this Rom it was running at 240Mhz and I can tell you now this Rom is SLOW, very SLOW. With the original Imate Rom installed clocked to 240Mhz it screams along very nicely.
Some of the Apps installed with this Rom are also commercial versions requiring purchasing or "other ways around purchasing".
In fact come to think of it most of the apps were pretty ****ty and neither here nor there. Just my opinion expressed here.
Ultimately it's up to the individual preferences here and I'm certainly not taking anything away from the people who spent the time putting it together. It's a good effort.
In the end I installed it ... had a play with it for an hour or so ... dumped the Rom onto an SD card and restored the orginal Rom.
When I get around to it I'll install a few of the goodies like the A2DP stereo audio and the Extended Rom patch. They work
Thanks to original poster for making this Rom available in the first place and the guys who put it together.
Now it's up to you
Regards to all
Thanks for the info, Nudester. I was about to install this one on my XDA Neo (running JAMin on it now), but stopped after I read your post. Also, I do not like the application programs in that ROM, too, since I have purchased much better programs already. Your info is very helpful. thanks.
lvlx said:
Rayan said:
Can someone please upload this ROM to the XDADevs FTP????? the TX is really slooooooooow..... .4 kbps!!! [/b]
Rayan
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Finished upload:
_ftp://[email protected]/Uploads/prophet-roms/Customize_rom_PDAMobiz_Editon_Upgrade_Rom_for_IPLSPL_2.15.0001_v.1.02.rar
G-Luck!-)
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Thanks lvlx!
I'll DL tonite!
Peace!
ok, i installed this (thx lvlx for the upload, that link was just agrhhhhhhh ), and for the most part, i agree with nudester. speed is ok, althought i was getting better/more stable operation with the latest dopod rom on which it is based when overclocked with omap clock. a lot of the utilities are on the rom, and not the extended rom which means u cant remove them, and to be honest, most are overkill, like the are about 4 different sim utilities, nevertheless, some are pretty damn good. however i just dont like havin stuff that i dont need/use.
PROS:
decent rom (stable and quick)
loads of cool utilities
downgradeable
good with storage memory
pre-configured with most of the registry edits for speed, gps, etc....
CONS:
some utilities/programs are trials/unregestered
most utilities/programs are built into the rom
overkill, i mean why do u need all that stuff anyways?
---did i keep it? -----> NO
id rather have a clean oem rom that id play with myself and install what i want.
fair play to the guys at pdamobiz.com for creating it, coz it is good, and it gave me a lot of ideas, but it just wasnt my cup of tea 8)
Hello Every One,
I installed the ROM and agree with Nudester. Please Nudester tell me how to go back and load my original imate JAMIN ROM.
Is there instructions on creating a post-flash (or hard reset) install script? I'd like to have it run the cingular WAP cab, and maybe a couple others. I think I've been all over, but haven't seen anything...
Thanks!
Also - does anyone have a package or cab for camera 3.3???
Hi Matt... there are a couple of options...
First off, you could go the route that Faria does in his kitchen - effectively an Extended ROM folder under Windows. When the ROM install has finished and you've done the screen align, it runs the Extended ROM contents - just like the customisations you get in most operator ROMs. The advantage of doing it from a subfolder under Windows is that it works for G4 users as well as G3.
The other alternative is to actually flash your Extended ROM (this is what I've done, as mine is G3).
With the right files in Windows and Windows\Startup (CheckAutoRun.exe and CheckAutoRun.lnk respectively) and the registry entries set up for the appropriate location (I can tell you what these need to be), it will run no problem.
Is this what you're looking for? Faria also has a nice couple of utils that run during customisation and let you choose which operator's settings (GPRS and MMS) you wish to install. I guess these just run the appropriate CAB file based on your choice.
I am happy to help you set this up if it would be of assistance, having spent the last couple of days trying to get all this stuff up and running.
JoelC said:
Hi Matt... there are a couple of options...
First off, you could go the route that Faria does in his kitchen - effectively an Extended ROM folder under Windows. When the ROM install has finished and you've done the screen align, it runs the Extended ROM contents - just like the customisations you get in most operator ROMs. The advantage of doing it from a subfolder under Windows is that it works for G4 users as well as G3.
The other alternative is to actually flash your Extended ROM (this is what I've done, as mine is G3).
With the right files in Windows and Windows\Startup (CheckAutoRun.exe and CheckAutoRun.lnk respectively) and the registry entries set up for the appropriate location (I can tell you what these need to be), it will run no problem.
Is this what you're looking for? Faria also has a nice couple of utils that run during customisation and let you choose which operator's settings (GPRS and MMS) you wish to install. I guess these just run the appropriate CAB file based on your choice.
I am happy to help you set this up if it would be of assistance, having spent the last couple of days trying to get all this stuff up and running.
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It sounds like your first point is what I was looking for - but up till now I've avoided adding / manipulating the extended rom to prevent issues related to it's use. I guess I'll have to cross that bridge sooner than later!
Is there a "howto" anywhere on it? I'd like to add the option for users to select post installation packages to run, in a nice and "foolproof" way - such as themes, WAP cabs, or whatever. Kinda like "drop your post install cabs in this folder" and it'll go ahead and add them during the rom build, then execute the install after flashing.
Thanks!
mattk_r said:
It sounds like your first point is what I was looking for - but up till now I've avoided adding / manipulating the extended rom to prevent issues related to it's use. I guess I'll have to cross that bridge sooner than later!
Is there a "howto" anywhere on it? I'd like to add the option for users to select post installation packages to run, in a nice and "foolproof" way - such as themes, WAP cabs, or whatever. Kinda like "drop your post install cabs in this folder" and it'll go ahead and add them during the rom build, then execute the install after flashing.
Thanks!
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search lol i'll try and dig it up for you since i should probably do the same thing
try this of course editing it to where you want it to point:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
notyourdaddy said:
search lol i'll try and dig it up for you since i should probably do the same thing
try this of course editing it to where you want it to point:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
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I just found this link that has an extended rom in it. It makes a lot of sense, especially the txt file that directs the installation and then initiates a reset. Getting warmer!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309922
So here's what I'm thinking - just initial thoughts:
Have a folder with the base applications that are used every time like AutoRun.exe.
The user places the cab(s) in the "add files to ext rom" folder.
They run an exe that reads the directory file contents, verifies file type, copies the files to the extended rom folder, and displays the list. I'd write it in VB, since I'm most comfortable with file system operations in that language...
They change the list based on the order they want them installed using up and down arrows to sort priority.
The click OK, and it creates the config.txt file, including all necessary commands such as reset and whatnot.
That way when they build, it's all good to go.
Any thoughts?
Slightly off topic but does anyone have a .CAB for TomTom6 (or know how to edit/make one) that doesn't require user input during the installation?
I am not looking for a hacked version of TomTom, just how to prevent it asking me where to install. .CABs that run from the Extended ROM can't ask for user input or it will crash the extended ROM installation as we know; I just don't know how to edit the ttn.cab to stop it asking.
Thanks
Andy
Hi Matt,
It does sound like the first option is the best - it's also the only way to get G4 compatibility. I think your idea to write a VB app is a good one - let the user choose which CABs to install to ExtRom, but I think u need to be very clear what you want to achieve. As this `ExtRom` is not actually in the proper extended Rom, but just a folder under Windows, you gain nothing really by installing programs from here, best just keeping it for operator specific settings and such.
The other issue with extended Rom installations, of any type, is that the config file must run to completion. if you put in cab files that require user input, the install will fail (at least from a proper extRom, maybe ok in this scenario, I don't know); likewise cabs that require or initiate a soft reset will cause an ExtRom install to crash. So, this sorts of limits what cabs can be used. mine puts in personal reg settings; no operator settings as I use wifi not gprs or mms.
Also - and I hope I'm not out of line here, or misunderstanding you - Faria has something that does exactly what u need in his fake ExtRom... u cld always ask him nicely for use of it, or r u looking forward to the coding?
My only other thought is the extra support burden a complex fake extrom scenario would generate, especially if ppl don't understand its purpose and stick stuff in that causes problems...
I hope this has made some sense - past my bedtime and I'm knackered LOL. Just my 2 cents, y'know?
Good work and all the best
JoelC said:
Hi Matt,
It does sound like the first option is the best - it's also the only way to get G4 compatibility. I think your idea to write a VB app is a good one - let the user choose which CABs to install to ExtRom, but I think u need to be very clear what you want to achieve. As this `ExtRom` is not actually in the proper extended Rom, but just a folder under Windows, you gain nothing really by installing programs from here, best just keeping it for operator specific settings and such.
The other issue with extended Rom installations, of any type, is that the config file must run to completion. if you put in cab files that require user input, the install will fail (at least from a proper extRom, maybe ok in this scenario, I don't know); likewise cabs that require or initiate a soft reset will cause an ExtRom install to crash. So, this sorts of limits what cabs can be used. mine puts in personal reg settings; no operator settings as I use wifi not gprs or mms.
Also - and I hope I'm not out of line here, or misunderstanding you - Faria has something that does exactly what u need in his fake ExtRom... u cld always ask him nicely for use of it, or r u looking forward to the coding?
My only other thought is the extra support burden a complex fake extrom scenario would generate, especially if ppl don't understand its purpose and stick stuff in that causes problems...
I hope this has made some sense - past my bedtime and I'm knackered LOL. Just my 2 cents, y'know?
Good work and all the best
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That's really good info, because I'm climbing the learning curve as fast as I can here to get a good grasp on what the extended rom is, as well as how to use it. I appreciate the conditional warnings... better to know ahead of time than find out following a problem.
I'd rather use the true extended rom (as I understand it anyway), so I don't loose any additional space for the BuildOS programs. That is, assuming the extended rom is a seperate memory location than the base...
In another thread, someone is going to post that tool. I'm really interested in how it works.
If I can get all the concepts together, I hope to get a solid tool that will improve functionality in the ROM, without adding complexity or trouble... and I greatly appreciate the help!
Interesting thread...guys, you just gave me some new ideas.
Before that...there's one thing that's bothering me...
Can we use ExtendedRom on a G4 or not...lol I thought not, until me an Boto made a clean one from a G4 ExtRom and when Boto flashed it it worked , and he has a G4. Why we always say that we don't use an Extended Rom for G4 users ?
Normaly, a G4 should/would brick when flashing IPL/SPL not Extended Rom, am I right ?
We are shrinking the OS space to integrate features of the ExtendedRom in order to all people use it but is it that true ?
Ok, now back to my idea .. I want that in my next rom to include an extended rom, of course and make it that way so when you first start your PDA, it will act like when installing windows on the PC , asking you which apps or what options you want to use. I think i can manage to do that...still the question remains ...will G4 users be able to use it ?
Sorry for the delay writing back... I've been over in the G4 subforum trying to find out if they can flash Extended Rom. Some ppl have reported success using Faria's tutorial. Hopefully this is the case - what u said about IPL/SPL flashing is right, this seems to be a real problem, but if u can flash a radio-only Rom, why not Extended Rom?
What did u and Boto flash onto his G4? Blank Extrom or a cooked one?
Perhaps what we need is a guinea pig to try this out for us...!
JoelC said:
Sorry for the delay writing back... I've been over in the G4 subforum trying to find out if they can flash Extended Rom. Some ppl have reported success using Faria's tutorial. Hopefully this is the case - what u said about IPL/SPL flashing is right, this seems to be a real problem, but if u can flash a radio-only Rom, why not Extended Rom?
What did u and Boto flash onto his G4? Blank Extrom or a cooked one?
Perhaps what we need is a guinea pig to try this out for us...!
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I took the Ext Rom from the Wizard Love Rom and i edited the config.txt and deleted cabs ...that's it
Well, if it flashed OK... sounds like it might be usable after all But tell me, is Boto's G4 CID locked or unlocked? It's all very uncertain, but some of the G4 posts lead me to believe this may make a difference
ADB100 said:
Slightly off topic but does anyone have a .CAB for TomTom6 (or know how to edit/make one) that doesn't require user input during the installation?
I am not looking for a hacked version of TomTom, just how to prevent it asking me where to install. .CABs that run from the Extended ROM can't ask for user input or it will crash the extended ROM installation as we know; I just don't know how to edit the ttn.cab to stop it asking.
Thanks
Andy
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All I did for TomTom is install as normal and then copy the Navigator directory and My Documents\TomTomto my storage card where the maps, postcodes etc. are located. After any ROM upgrade all I need to do is create a shortcut in the start menu pointing at \Storage Card\Navigator\TomTom Navigator.exe No user input needed other than to pair the bluetooth gps and define a serial port.Hope this helps, it has worked for me after every change in ROM which has been quite a lot recently.
wizzzard said:
All I did for TomTom is install as normal and then copy the Navigator directory and My Documents\TomTomto my storage card where the maps, postcodes etc. are located. After any ROM upgrade all I need to do is create a shortcut in the start menu pointing at \Storage Card\Navigator\TomTom Navigator.exe No user input needed other than to pair the bluetooth gps and define a serial port.Hope this helps, it has worked for me after every change in ROM which has been quite a lot recently.
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Thanks for that but it isn't what I was really after.... I am just trying to automate everything. I have flashed my ROM that many times recently and going through the install of TomTom each time is a bit of a pain. I have got a couple of .CABs in the Extended ROM OK and these work fine, I just thought it would be nice if I could get TomTom in there as well.
Andy
I didn't want this to turn into a "how-to" thread, but I'm still scratching for hard info on the extended rom, and as many questions out there, it might be a good one to clarify some details...
As I understand it now, there's two forms of "extended ROM":
1. The true extended rom "similar to the radio ROM"
There is some "trigger" that runs the contents of the extended rom, such as AutoRun.exe?
2. The 'psuedo' extended rom that is basically a post install script to run cabs.
The contents of the folder under windows are run from a trigger that resides in the startup folder - similar to a runonce in Windows on first boot?
Does this sound close?
Also, where does the 'true' extended rom reside? Does it use the portion of memory reserved for the OS, or is there another portion just for it? (so if by adding applications to the extended rom, your available storage memory will remain unchanged - less the installed application?)
I'm presuming then by the 'psuedo' extended rom, that it does consume ROM space, but simplifies post-flash cab installations - assuming you follow the rules...
From what I see, by using the 'psuedo' ER, you waste space by keeping the installation files in addition to the installed application files.
If I'm wasting space and time by asking these questions and you know of a good extended rom tutorial, please direct me to it. I have spend some time tonight searching, but a definitive guide still eludes me... Thanks!
Sorry, coming into this thread late, but you have seen this thread, right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=968417
While it may not directly answer some of the questions, the tools and info in the tutorial may shed some light on this subject (or give you a direction to start digging further).
mfrazzz said:
Sorry, coming into this thread late, but you have seen this thread, right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=968417
While it may not directly answer some of the questions, the tools and info in the tutorial may shed some light on this subject (or give you a direction to start digging further).
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OMG, I'm getting senile... I came across this months ago, but at that point didn't know what I was looking at... and didn't see it just now in any stickies... thanks man.
mattk_r said:
OMG, I'm getting senile... I came across this months ago, but at that point didn't know what I was looking at... and didn't see it just now in any stickies... thanks man.
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Yeah, never figured out why that one was never made a sticky. I just know to go look at Faria's sig and it (and a few other good links) are in there
Hi all,
Yet another Poll,
Please vote in order to help us set some priorities and focus on the next Roms.
Vanilla : -- Speaks for itself -- Basic OS
Business : -- Vanilla with Productivity Tools/Apps/Utils (M$Voice Command, Pim Backup, Full Office, Cambirdge BT Stack,Tray Launch to mention a few)
Full Flavour : -- Whatever we can cram into the Rom that benefits your average user.
Vanilla With Cabs : -- Cab files on extended Rom to install Apps at will.
Please feel to post any apps utils (Freeware/ShareWare only) that you would like included or feel would be useful to the rest of the community.
Cheers,
Regards,
Beast
+1 for Vanilla & Cabs - Since thats what the Extended ROM is for anyway...
Also, this allows you to easily customise\uninstall what you don't need
I vote either for vanilla. having the extended rom free for the most important document has become important for me.. business may be interesting too if not too much filled up
TehPenguin said:
+1 for Vanilla & Cabs - Since thats what the Extended ROM is for anyway...
Also, this allows you to easily customise\uninstall what you don't need
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I couldn't agree more!
An extended ROM with all the cabs present in the business version (including VC final version ) would allow any newbie to customize is won ROM.
Just open the extended ROM and select the wanted cabs.
If you provide the cabs and an extended ROM it would be even better!!
+1 For Full Flavour
The more space you can use on the ROM the better. Vanillas just waste ROM space since the only way you can put anything on the ROM is by flashing. I'll just take out anything on startup that I don't need.
best option for every one: Vanilla + CABs.
i, for example, cannot stand having voice command installed.
other ppl wouldn't like msn live installed. etc etc...
the debate is endless - everyone likes something else to be installed or uninstalled.
this is why vanilla + cabs would do the best job satisfying everyone.
storage space would be compermised though. but thats the sacrifice we have to make.
More storage more storage
OK,
So far the majority seem to prefer Vanilla and cab version, yet we also want to keep extended rom.
What if we go for exteneded Rom, unhidden, writeable and renamed to storage, then you can install any apps in there you wish.
We could make the cabs available (with an auto-install option too if you wish) and they install from your SD Cards.
This way it may keep the majority happy you get an extra 10mb storage to play with (rather than having the cabs in it) and anything you want auto-installed after 1st boot you simply copy to say "Install" Dir on your SD Cards.
There's another option to mull over guys!
Cheers,
Beast
that's the idea!! after reading davince's post I realized he was right and I wasn't...but your idea looks like unbeatable!
beast0898 said:
OK,
So far the majority seem to prefer Vanilla and cab version, yet we also want to keep extended rom.
What if we go for exteneded Rom, unhidden, writeable and renamed to storage, then you can install any apps in there you wish.
We could make the cabs available (with an auto-install option too if you wish) and they install from your SD Cards.
This way it may keep the majority happy you get an extra 10mb storage to play with (rather than having the cabs in it) and anything you want auto-installed after 1st boot you simply copy to say "Install" Dir on your SD Cards.
There's another option to mull over guys!
Cheers,
Beast
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You guys are great!!
Is getting hard to wait for such a wonderful ROM!!!
Vanilla + cabs. But when I say Vanilla, I don't mean removing things such as Windows Live - which is part of WM6!
possibly use the method i pioneered? you cook in as many programs as you can (full flavour) BUT you leave out the registry and shortcuts for them, and stick those in cabs. the result is a vannilla + cabs rom that has much more free storage. also (you probably know this) try to use initflashfiles as little as possible as it copies them from rom to storage memory, where ever possible (almost always) leave things in the windows dir and change the shortcuts + reg to match that.
just my 2p
Midget_1990 said:
possibly use the method i pioneered?
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no offence or anything of course, but helmi did it before you
jasonkruys said:
Vanilla + cabs. But when I say Vanilla, I don't mean removing things such as Windows Live - which is part of WM6!
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I agree, all the apps that normally come with WM6 (namely Windows Live & MS Office) should definitely be included in ROM 100% - then we can call that "vanilla" (anything else would just not be "WM6"). And possibly a better Bluetooth stack, as technically that would just be a "bugfix".
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no offence or anything of course, but helmi did it before you
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non taken, im sure he did, I just hadnt seen it done before
Midget_1990 said:
possibly use the method i pioneered? you cook in as many programs as you can (full flavour) BUT you leave out the registry and shortcuts for them, and stick those in cabs. the result is a vannilla + cabs rom that has much more free storage. also (you probably know this) try to use initflashfiles as little as possible as it copies them from rom to storage memory, where ever possible (almost always) leave things in the windows dir and change the shortcuts + reg to match that.
just my 2p
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This would be perfect.
I really want vanilla, I dont even want windows live, messenger or voice dial.....a very clean Rom. Please if you could just put one like that up for down load as well as what ever else, that would be great.
Cheers
guinevere
guinevere said:
I really want vanilla, I dont even want windows live, messenger or voice dial.....a very clean Rom. Please if you could just put one like that up for down load as well as what ever else, that would be great.
Cheers
guinevere
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Hi,
So it looks like, some people want Vanilla and some want Vanilla without the "essence" LoL.........
We'll see what we can do.
Almost there with VC so Roms shouldn't be too far off now.
Keep y'all posted.
Maybe we'll just release another kitchen update more automated than the last ones, I'm toying with an "AutoBuild" option on the kitchen to throw out pre-configured Roms based on a tick box GUI. Basically fire up the kitchen make your selection, click go, have a coffee, Rom built and flashed.
L8rs,
Beast
Peoples wishes
Hi all,
Leo and I are going to re-design the kitchen (rather than cooking a load of Roms)
I'll update the Kitchen (with bug fixes included) and add a front end that will allow you all to choose what flavour you want and have a one click build and flash process. Toying with the idea of also having a custom build that allows you to choose which oems to install as well as adding oems for commonly used apps such as SPB Phone, SPB Today, CorePlayer etc with the option to enter your serial numbers before cooking or build with demo version installed (but this requires a lot more work to incorporate so we'll see how it goes)
Items fixed so far wifi wpa
fully-functional phone (quick responding keys) The response was slow and Talk button doesn't always work.
Ringtones on SD Card.
New Email account creation
Thanks again to Leo for his help with all of this.
Cheers,
Beast
hi, just to let you know i will be back, thanks to pug i've brought the its i needed to fix my Universal, however i also have my new athena so i wont have enough time to maintain a whole rom release but, if you guys doing the kitchen have anything you want doing i could help with that
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
Leo and I are going to re-design the kitchen (rather than cooking a load of Roms)
I'll update the Kitchen (with bug fixes included) and add a front end that will allow you all to choose what flavour you want and have a one click build and flash process. Toying with the idea of also having a custom build that allows you to choose which oems to install as well as adding oems for commonly used apps such as SPB Phone, SPB Today, CorePlayer etc with the option to enter your serial numbers before cooking or build with demo version installed (but this requires a lot more work to incorporate so we'll see how it goes)
Items fixed so far wifi wpa
fully-functional phone (quick responding keys) The response was slow and Talk button doesn't always work.
Ringtones on SD Card.
New Email account creation
Thanks again to Leo for his help with all of this.
Cheers,
Beast
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wpa-tkip fixed??
way to go!
i wonder, what did the trick?
Update: 04/22/08
This is a release for the ROM and the porting kitchen. It does not port XIP's, yet, just SYS folders, but it does what it needs to do. I haven't tested it in more than just one port, though. The one I did test came out perfect, though.
The ROM has 63.XXmb FREE storage and 31.XXmb free with SD RAM.
To flash it you MUST have a HardSPL'ed Herald or Wing and a microSD card. Just place the HERAIMG.nbh into the SD card's root directory. Do NOT rename it to anything else. Then hold the camera button down while you turn on the device and then press the volume down slider when it asks you to. Wait until it says it's done. I haven't tried to run any activesync other than to an exchange server so tell me if that isn't working.
I'll be done with finals this week and then I can finally work on the other kitchen.
I'll upload it when I come back from school.
Update #2: 04/14/08
Just added a screenshot. Mind you, this is WITH SD card AND after I installed my "troubleshooting" tools.
Update: 04/14/08
60mb of FREE storage space.
32mb RAM with no SD
30MB RAM with SD
No compression (I'll probably released a UPX'd version, as well...)
Fixed all bugs found so far except for two. Maybe you guys can help me figure them out... the sad part, I've fixed these same two bugs countless times in my other ROMs, but I just can't remember how I did it. lol
1. Comm Manager: It doesn't matter what comm manager I place in there, it still boots up the built in comm manager. (The one that Tmobile has anyways.)
2. The Vibrate button. I have all the files and I have it setup so that it vibrates when you hold down the comm button, BUT it keeps trying to open VoiceCMD even though I deleted all visible entries for it...
Update: 04/03/08
Ok guys. Here's some info on my current projects.
1. Just2Clean is almost done. I just have to fix some bugs. The OEM is from an unreleased Wing ROM, the SYS I ported over using... well keep reading.
2. My phone currently is running currently has 62.38mb total of storage... and I was able to shrink the extrom and use that ROM space for storage. Granted, you need to have HardSPL and a memory card for this to work, but it's awesome. This ROM is also so small and stripped that it's the fastest ROM I've ever used and I don't even have any tweaks on it, yet.
3. Kitchen 1: PPCBuildOS: Unfortunately, I haven't had time to work on porting it, but after I get Just2Clean fixed, I'll be working on it. AWESOME kitchen. The creator is so willing to help, too. Made me a developer of the Atlas section (Herald compatible so no worries for those Herald users.)
4. EasyPortKitchen. So far, I've got it porting SYS folders just fine. I haven't been able to setup XIP porting, but that's because I still don't understand the process behind it. If someone wants to explain it to me, I'll be able to finish this kitchen. So far, Just2Clean had its SYS folder ported in this way.
EDIT: 5: I plan to release the ROM with language packs for the kitchen. Then you can just check on the language you want the ROM to be in while building the ROM.
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Ok, change of plans.... I'm currently working with the makers of PPCBuildOS to make an Atlas/Herald version of their kitchen. It's currently being developed with JustClean, but it will eventually be released with my Just2Clean. (That'll be the new name.) That kitchen is AWESOME, btw. ^_^ Makes my kitchen look like a pitiful script kiddy toy.
Just2Clean will be a WM6.1 stripped down better than JustClean was, more modulized and with its OEM based on an unreleased ROM.
I'll keep you guys posted but I'm not sure of how much I can talk about now that I'm helping develop the Atlas/Herald side of it...
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A few things that I've been thinking about on my "off" time... basically, the time that I'm just unbusy enough to have my own personal thoughts outside of work or school related ones. lol
All these ROMs would be compatible with my kitchen.
1. SuperClean - A ROM built with lots of compression and minimal programs. The point of this is to be the "bigstorage rom" where you can't even flash it normally because it doesn't meet the size requirements of the RUU/SPL.
2. JustClean2 - Based on an unreleased OEM from an unreleased ROM that I made before I switched to WM6.1. It's based on a Wing ROM... but it has potentials. It just feels faster and it seems to take less space than the current Herald base I'm using. Not to mention that some people are having issues with Herald based ROMs and some bluetooth enabled items.
3. OldClean/NewClean - SuperClean and JustClean2 may have both WM6.0 and WM6.1 versions... I find that, although WM6.0 is slower, it also takes up less space (and therefore can net more storage space) and some people don't seem to like a lot of the WM6.1 features.
What do you guys think? Which would you like to see first? If any? Any better ideas? (And no, no ideas about which programs should be in it, you already have my kitchen for that.) Oh, and the kitchen would become modular, the JustClean1 ROM would be released seperate from the Kitchen.
I'm itching for a ROM as quick as my old WM6.0 ROM, but I haven't had as much luck getting the Herald ROM to run as quickly.
BTW, has anyone ever used my old CleanROM with the Herald keyboard driver? Did you ever have any issues with it?
I vote for a newer WM6.1 built than the "old" 19xxx - there were newer ones outside before bepes kitchen ROM but thy had ActiveSync problems...
Maybe now there are new builts.
OR if not i vote for WM7...hahaha
ALLL the "clean" crap doesn´t make sence to me... why to have a clean rom and then install all by cab.
I ONLY cooked a rom because i was sick of installing all cabs
lol
Good to see ur back to cooking roms
Well i Love the functions of WM6.1 so just about and clean 6.1 rom you cook will be great
so i'd guess from ur descriptions that'd be SuperClean...
Edit: I also use the Office suit a lot but i can add that by a cab, since i know most clean roms dont have it since it takes quite a bit of space
papamopps said:
I vote for a newer WM6.1 built than the "old" 19xxx - there were newer ones outside before bepes kitchen ROM but thy had ActiveSync problems...
Maybe now there are new builts.
OR if not i vote for WM7...hahaha
ALLL the "clean" crap doesn´t make sence to me... why to have a clean rom and then install all by cab.
I ONLY cooked a rom because i was sick of installing all cabs
lol
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These ROMs are meant to be used with my kitchen. That way they can add what they want and what they want only. Some people just don't use any programs and want the available storage space for other reasons. (Like photos.)
The SuperClean would attempt to create a lot more free space in the ROM. (For example, I have 54.93mb total (I've got a few files saved so I'm not sure how much I had free at first) currently in the ROM I'm currently using and it's no where near optimized and it's one of my fattest unreleased "SuperClean" ROM's that I have ever made.
Imagine being able to get 60mb free WITH all the apps that you use. It would be awesome.
Well at the moment i have a 4GB Memory Card, but reguardless i preffer to use cean roms as they tend to be faster and have more program memory available.
Especially since i use Point UI and dont rly care about today plugins
I vote for just a 6.1 Rom w/ good tweaks (and ready to go for tmo usa) and no extra programs.
BTW, has anyone ever used my old CleanROM with the Herald keyboard driver? Did you ever have any issues with it?
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Yes I have, and no issues at all.
BTW, has anyone ever used my old CleanROM with the Herald keyboard driver? Did you ever have any issues with it?
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I did, but there were some serious issues (I can't remember which though). I had reporeted them in CleanROM thread for sure.
BTW, when are you going release final of your oven? I need to fix several small issues in my custom ROM, but I'm too lazy to do so with current version
GiZZy said:
Well at the moment i have a 4GB Memory Card, but reguardless i preffer to use cean roms as they tend to be faster and have more program memory available.
Especially since i use Point UI and dont rly care about today plugins
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And THAT is the problem ... even with 63MB program storage... we will NEVER get more than 32MB free RAM (memory)
to get more storage for apps or even cach is not the problem. BUT getting more RAM is not possible.
But as a clean rom for cooking - OK
but then:
- no skinning
- default looking
- only left what is needed for running system (phone, base apps)
and than we can cook....
thx
AND why don´t we have this OS "System 5.2.19202 (build 19202.1.0.0)"????
the kaiser people have it..
papamopps said:
And THAT is the problem ... even with 63MB program storage... we will NEVER get more than 32MB free RAM (memory)
to get more storage for apps or even cach is not the problem. BUT getting more RAM is not possible.
But as a clean rom for cooking - OK
but then:
- no skinning
- default looking
- only left what is needed for running system (phone, base apps)
and than we can cook....
thx
AND why don´t we have this OS "System 5.2.19202 (build 19202.1.0.0)"????
the kaiser people have it..
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I took a look and found out the kaiser guys have 5.2.19716. How do I extract the OS from their roms? I gotta have that build!
Must... Cook... Rom...
papamopps said:
And THAT is the problem ... even with 63MB program storage... we will NEVER get more than 32MB free RAM (memory)
to get more storage for apps or even cach is not the problem. BUT getting more RAM is not possible.
But as a clean rom for cooking - OK
but then:
- no skinning
- default looking
- only left what is needed for running system (phone, base apps)
and than we can cook....
thx
AND why don´t we have this OS "System 5.2.19202 (build 19202.1.0.0)"????
the kaiser people have it..
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I'm currently learning how to port properly for that specific reason. 19202.1.0.0.
As far as the skinning goes, the final should have the option to have no skin. I'll work on that. The base should have a few things disabled. I'm also working on that. As far as RAM goes, I've gotten up to 38mb free before, but it was missing a lot of items... I could always just modulize the whole ROM and let people choose EVERYTHING down to if they want bluetooth support or not. This can net some pretty nice amounts of free memory. It's just more work for me.
I am also thinking of modulizing the MUI's in the ROM, effectively allowing people to just download language packs. Doubleclick on the file, wait until it does its thing and then you have a French ROM, or a German ROM, or whatever...
It's not that I can't do it, it's that it takes time.... time I don't have.
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What do you guys think? Which would you like to see first? If any? Any better ideas? (And no, no ideas about which programs should be in it, you already have my kitchen for that.) Oh, and the kitchen would become modular, the JustClean1 ROM would be released seperate from the Kitchen.
I'm itching for a ROM as quick as my old WM6.0 ROM, but I haven't had as much luck getting the Herald ROM to run as quickly.
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It seems to me that the 6.1 ROM is a bit faster when doing some things (like opening the windows folder using total commander) is involved - but I think the 6.0 can be tweaked to be just as fast? I would be very excited to try either your SuperClean or JustClean2 as long as the ROM is based on Wing.
I used your CleanROM for quite a while with NO problems but on a Wing.
Update on the first post.
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Ok, change of plans.... I'm currently working with the makers of PPCBuildOS to make an Atlas/Herald version of their kitchen. It's currently being developed with JustClean, but it will eventually be released with my Just2Clean. (That'll be the new name.) That kitchen is AWESOME, btw. ^_^ Makes my kitchen look like a pitiful script kiddy toy.
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yay new kitchen!
wow, can't wait to try the superclean (superfast???) rom
Let us script kiddies get our toys!
Updates on the first page!
So it will come with the same kitchen like JustClean?
62 megs...sounds cool. I hope it will be possible to stuff the rom with office etc. and flash it as usual.
Not with the same kitchen. With a new GUI kitchen that the guys at PPCkitchen.org have made for other phones. I'm just helping them port it to the Herald/Atlas.
The EasyPortKitchen is something you would use to port a ROM.
You can install anything you want on it. All my ROMs are always minimal and allow you to install whatever you want on them.
You can install anything you want on it. All my ROMs are always minimal and allow you to install whatever you want on them.
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That's the best of your releases. Just a clean package so everyone can add what he needs, noone has to have stuff on their phone that they don't like. It's simply a Good Thing (tm).
i've deleted this, because there is another thread which give you full informations and include this thread, check: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388666
please admin delete this thread
great share its right much appreciated here
rocking! thanx! I might just use this thing afterall. one question: is the size of the nb0 the same as the original 5.1 for the wizard? I found that using the 57mb nbo didn't allow me to have as much room, while not increasing storage space. I believe the original nb0 is 58.+ mb. which allows for almost 2mb more for things like live and MSVC.
Thanx for porting and posting the kitchen. if I use it for the next one the creds will for sure be yours.
Thansk a lot!
You rock Itsright!
Finally what we were expecting from your hands!
Thanks for sharing your [email protected]!
Now, let's play!
Take care!
Awesome.
Once I get to play with and test this I will consider posting my "latest and greatest"
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hi guys,
many of users asked me before to release my kitchen, then i said i will release for own using not for public, so i decided to remove all my stuff (to save my work) and share what i did for xip ported (especially) and driver modules are relocated all of these at the best ways (no hacking at all).
you will find xip folder in ROM, all of these are useless, what ever you change will not effect , so just play with OEM and SYS.
if all happy with this thing, i will continue porting and sharing.
Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/110524485/19209_Kitchen_wizard.rar
please if you want to use, give some credits.
enjoy.
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It's Right,
Great Job!!
Now this definitely deserves a sticky guys! I will try your newest rom out and then I will look into using this for my own special brand.
Thank you so much,
Damn!
This thing is FREAKING HUGE!
I had a whole bunch of stuff that I got into the 19199 port I've been using as a base, but I got in IMMEDIATE trouble with this one as soon as I started cooking.
The 64MB wall is made out of granite, and you just can't get beyond it. Well, I've got a problem trying to stay under it now.
What accounts for these huge changes? Were the '199 version's components compressed or something where this one is not?
I don't know why the difference is so large, but it is......
Ok, I'll update that comment - There has to be some sort of duplication of files and space consumed in this one.
I stripped damn near everything I usually stick in the ROM - I mean everything - and I still wound up with a file that was too big and wouldn't flash!
I even went so far as to go back and "squeeze" things that hadn't been squeezed in the base ROM in an attempt to make it fit, and still no-go.
To give you an idea of what's in there that fails, I literally have the Kaiser Comm MAnager, a little BT utility (about 20kb), Total Commander, MMS, 1 Calc and a couple of other small apps in the ROM. It builds far too big and won't flash.
If this is the base that you're using for the TNT series there's no way in hell you could possibly get that set of apps in there unless there's just a huge amount of cruft being left in the kitchen.
Would love to work with it but can't with this as a base.... almost nothing will fit
what is the nb0 size? I use a 19209=with what used to be 57mb then used a 59mb from Faria's kitchen... i kept getting the imfg error if I added too much stuff, so I got rid of WML to make room for stuff. You can also upx the entertainmet (games) and you can change the graphics in photoshop so they take up less space.
I also had errors when I was screwing around with some reg settings... so maybe that could be an issue with some packages.
try to add one package at a time to see which package is screwing things up..
I haven't downloaded it yet. ;aybe when I get home.
I'm in a middle of flashing my first real tentative...
I was playing around and after adding my stuff, I got 61MB which is really big
I do not know about duplication but with a OS near to 60mb, maybe it's coming with most stuff inside!
I'm now trying with much less apps. Just what I consider essential. Let's see...
I also tried to dump and then repack a new NB but didn't have luck...
still on the road....
cheers
Can anybody post a mirror for this kitchen? Rapidshare being gay today.....
so I downloaded it, and have to say I don't have much use for it. maybe backup sys files in case I screw something up. the NB0 is 57mb which meand you can not cram much stuff in it. it will build, but not flash well. I would recomend using the original nb0 or Faria's 318 which is about 2 mb bigger.
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so I downloaded it, and have to say I don't have much use for it. maybe backup sys files in case I screw something up. the NB0 is 57mb which meand you can not cram much stuff in it. it will build, but not flash well. I would recomend using the original nb0 or Faria's 318 which is about 2 mb bigger.
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amm... i think the tools chefs are using are not suitable for the nb file.
amm... i will think again to release the whole kitchen i used, the nb file i edited to give the advantages of bepe tools for porting xip and locating modules without any action by the chef, just copy and past then cook with no worries about locating and porting.
if i decided to release that, i need some time to give a good guide for the chefs .
Wise man....
By doing this way, chances to have good final results increases!
Take your time!
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amm... i think the tools chefs are using are not suitable for the nb file.
amm... i will think again to release the whole kitchen i used, the nb file i edited to give the advantages of bepe tools for porting xip and locating modules without any action by the chef, just copy and past then cook with no worries about locating and porting.
if i decided to release that, i need some time to give a good guide for the chefs .
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i will open new thread to give all details with the kitchen i'm using, but i need some time .