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Based on the builds (available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498026) which would you guys like me to continue development on for 5.0 ?
Some food for thought: 4.5 is stable, and I can most likely port aesthetics over from 4.0(4.9) to 4.5.
The pro's and con's of each build thus far:
4.0: Stable, no google apps, no wifi/bluetooth, inverted camera. made by HTC.
4.5: Stable, google apps, no wifi/bluetooth, inverted camera, older cupcake build than the HTC one. made by Google. (i believe.)
4.9: Rather unstable, google apps (slightly buggy, and no maps), no wifi/bluetooth, inverted camera, same build as 4.0. This build was a "i'm-not-sitting-on-my-ass" build for those of you who were complaining
Which one should dominate to 5.0? (5.0 will mainly be wifi/bluetooth fixes and some other minor fixes such as keyboard stuff)
Quick edit:
Voting for 4.0 indicates you do not need Google apps, and instead want a stable phone (almost identical to the ADP builds).
EDIT 2:
I will begin development on 5.0 on Thursday. This will give you 2 days (today and tomorrow) to vote, and gives me time to rest ;P
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(6:21:09 PM) **removed for privacy**: hey man, I voted 4.5. I'm a form follows function kinda guy, but are you able to meld the looks of the htc build with the function of the google build?
(6:21:27 PM) haykur0: yea most of the stuff i can port over
(6:21:45 PM) haykur0: stuff like the dialer and **** won't be able to be ported (i think) but 5.0 will be more concentrated on bug fixes
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WIFI / BLUETOOTH HAS BEEN FIXED IN ALL THE BUILDS.
EDIT 5:
At the time of my arrival on todays date (April 02, 2009 @ 3:42 PM [gmt-5]) the current count is:
4.0 - 15 (no google apps)
4.5 - 99 (google apps, older build)
4.9 - 117 (google apps, newer build)
The winner is 4.9.
My development over the next few days will be based on 4.9 (keep up with it on twitter, and the occasional forum post [which will also be on twitter]).
Thank you everyone for your interest.
I'd also like to mention that this does not mean my development with 4.5 will cease. This was just to help with priority.
It seems the community would prefer to have google apps on the newer build (which makes sense) so it shall be my goal for this week and, if need be, the following.
I will have more information later tonight (i have to go to work today, sorry guys.)
4. i love the htc feel of 4 and have been rolling with that one since release
before i vote, what exactly would be the major differences between version 4.9 becoming 5.0 and 4.5 (with ported aesthetics) becoming 5.0?
atm i would vote for 4.5 because it's stable, but the Google OS sucks compared to the HTC one. It looks so much better
i think you should decide ultimatly, it's you who's put in all this hard work and effort. We've all just been mashing the refresh button for about a week hoping for an update
edit: that being said, i don't think 4 should dominate, purely because a lot of people are going to want/need google apps (myself included) as this phone is, after all, a google phone.
I want Google apps, Exchange, a vk and the sexy sms front end from 4.9. What do I vote for?
I voted for 4.5 assuming you can port the aesthetics from 4.9
4.5 all the way............
I voted 4.5. everything we need, nothing we dont. Plus its much faster and more stable than the htc build, more applications seem to work with it from the market also. I do like some parts of the htc build, like the dialer, but considering it wont work with sync we wont get it anyway.
PS I spoke with haykuro, if 4.5 wins, he'll port most of the looks from the htc build (4.0, 4.9) so its a win win.
How are people voting for 4.9 when it doesn't even have maps?????
My suggestion:
Don't use nummers, based on 4.0,4.5,4.9 because this is psychologically not that good, I think some people will choose 4.9 only because they think 4.9 is better than 4.0...
this is not an offense to you or the community, just my thoughts...
I say, 4.5 with a 5.0 spin on it..
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How are people voting for 4.9 when it doesn't even have maps?????
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because i have Big Planet which works beautifully.
Big Planet > Google Maps
A mixture of all 3 would be absolutly perfect, but that's probably asking a little too much lol
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How are people voting for 4.9 when it doesn't even have maps?????
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It will be included in 5.0 most likely (at least that will be my attempt if 4.9 wins.)
haykuro said:
It will be included in 5.0 most likely (at least that will be my attempt if 4.9 wins.)
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wont 4.5 and 4.9 be basically the same when you've finished with them?
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wont 4.5 and 4.9 be basically the same when you've finished with them?
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No. One is based on HTC's build (a newer cupcake build).
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No. One is based on HTC's build (a newer cupcake build).
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my only concern is the virtual keyboard. the 4.9 HTC version is much better then the 4.5 google version. when you say you can "port the aesthetics" can you port the vk from the htc build as well?
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No. One is based on HTC's build (a newer cupcake build).
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aesthetics aside though what are the major differences? assuming they will both have google apps etc.
also when the 'looks' are ported over from the 4.9 build, will that also include the keyboard? (or can this not be ported across like the dialer?)
wouldn't the 4.9 be better anyway if it's an updated cupcake build?
sorry for all the damn stupid questions, i bet you're sick of them by now ><
A2DP Profile is important to me.
I voted for 4.9, but only because I like the aesthetics, and really want the A2DP bluetooth profile. If it is just as easy to get the look ported to 4.5 and get A2DP working in it, then I am all for that.
As a side note, I am sure that theme developers will create themes that look even better then what HTC put out, if that is worth considering. Really, the technical hurdles should be the top priority in my opinion.
Cheers, and thanks for all of your hard work!
Well since you asked
1. Above all the build should be 100% stable. No bootloops and no more crashes that a vanilla system gets.
2. Google apps, or at least the market.
3. The look of 4.0 may be acheivable by theme makers so is not vitale to the 5.0 build, but would be a bonus.
4. Working headphone socket, wifi and bluetooth at least to vanilla g1 standard.
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I voted for 4.9, but only because I like the aesthetics, and really want the A2DP bluetooth profile. If it is just as easy to get the look ported to 4.5 and get A2DP working in it, then I am all for that.
As a side note, I am sure that theme developers will create themes that look even better then what HTC put out, if that is worth considering. Really, the technical hurdles should be the top priority in my opinion.
Cheers, and thanks for all of your hard work!
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Well said. Function before form.
Google Apps/Sync
VK
Widgets
EXCHANGE
I could give a rats ass what it looks like.
i guess i will have to wait until the release of 5.0. i tried 4.0 its a little buggy/no google apps; 4.9 is buggy as well/no wifi however i heave not tried 4.5. speaking of 4.5, does all google apps working besides wifi? and will i have to update my radio as well unlike 4.9 which includes everything right?
i would hate for you to think you could port the aesthetics over and then you end up not being able to. But if you can port the 4.0/4.9 aesthetics over to 4.5 for sure, then 4.5 sounds good to me. i voted 4.9 though.
Is anyone noticing this? does anyone have the .apk file for the Sticky application?
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Is anyone noticing this? does anyone have the .apk file for the Sticky application?
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what build are you using?
On Haykuro 'G' builds, the Market is down.
It's a very well known issue with Haykuro's G builds. It started a couple of nights ago from Google's end. Considering all that's happening on their end as far as updates go, I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing something to the market in preparation to their cupcake release.
at least in Germany, i guess in other countrys (soon) to!
Source: http://www.t-mobile.de/g1/software-update
bassbox said:
at least in Germany, i guess in other countrys (soon) to!
Source: http://www.t-mobile.de/g1/software-update
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I hope so! so i can un-root my phone, i only wanted root just to use cupcake
djdant said:
I hope so! so i can un-root my phone, i only wanted root just to use cupcake
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Why would you want to un-root your phone? There are no adverse effects to having a rooted phone, its only positive.
As for cupcake I guess it could make sense seeing that the Magic is suppose to launch in May, with cupcake. So it only makes sense for cupcake to be released. And there have been a lot of talks about Google preping dev's for 1.5.
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Why would you want to un-root your phone? There are no adverse effects to having a rooted phone, its only positive.
As for cupcake I guess it could make sense seeing that the Magic is suppose to launch in May, with cupcake. So it only makes sense for cupcake to be released. And there have been a lot of talks about Google preping dev's for 1.5.
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I thought it'd have to be un-rooted in order to go back to the "official cupcake" when it drops.
I dont know why you wouldnt want root, I'll be continuing to watch androids development and I'll be flashing development roms as features are added and bugs are fixed
If you "update" from your phone, when it prompts, to cupcake, that will basically update to official firmware and "un-do" root, wouldn't it?
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If you "update" from your phone, when it prompts, to cupcake, that will basically update to official firmware and "un-do" root, wouldn't it?
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I believe it will attempt do download but won't be able to install.
Like the others said, why would you want to un-root??! Just wait a day or so after the official update and most likely there will be a JF version. That's what happened with 1.1
Who cares???
I'm rocking cupcake right now with Dudes .8 and Haykuro's H VK!
I'm so sick of the "HEY! Cupcake is coming out on (insert date of your choice here)!" that I just don't care anymore.
The devs on this site have kept me more than happy with all of their updates!
Thanks again to JF, Sterickson, Manup, Haykuro, The Dude, and all of the others I'm failing to mention! You guys rock! Google can stuff their cupcake up the opposite end.
The only benefit that cupcake will bring at this point will be to force the app devs to update all of the apps and the theme devs to make 1.5 themes.
Re the themes... Gee, I think xda-devs are already beginning to do that... imagine that!?!?
Well, I hope the cupcake for G1 is optimized for it. Because I found the Haykuro builds too buggy and laggy, and just not worth the grief.
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If you "update" from your phone, when it prompts, to cupcake, that will basically update to official firmware and "un-do" root, wouldn't it?
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If you have root now then you shouldn't even receive an update, will have to wait for jf version of update. As far as haykuro rom its great that everyone likes it but the REAL update from jf will work 100% with no problems.
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If you "update" from your phone, when it prompts, to cupcake, that will basically update to official firmware and "un-do" root, wouldn't it?
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If you have root now then you shouldn't even receive an update, will have to wait for jf version of update. As far as haykuro rom its great that everyone likes it but the REAL update from jf will work 100% with no problems. Then the 7000 post thread will hopefully go away and all 25 of its other threads throughout the forum as well.
I liked the Haykuro updates... But, I agree they were too buggy. Dudes' seems to be working very well!
But, I'll be surprised if the posts go away! The Dude build has a lot in it that may not be allowed by T-mobile. So, all I see happening is that Cupcake will officially release...
Then JF, Dude or whoever, will modify it to add all the goodies back inside.
It will just make for a more stable modified release. There are too many custom features in the Dude build for anyone to just use the stock cupcake!
For those that don't speak German ...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ww.t-mobile.de/g1/software-update&sl=de&tl=en
I'm not giving up Haykuro's H build unless the modified official G1 has all the good stuff we got with the HTC version. I like my camera, I like having a pdf reader, (I don't think the official Google version has it, but I might be wrong). I also like the H virtual keyboard.
I also doubt that the official version for the G1 will have exchange.
The only way I am going to switch is if I find some really big bug that I can't live with. (Although multitouch might make me change my mind if it's included in a JF build).
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For those that don't speak German ...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ww.t-mobile.de/g1/software-update&sl=de&tl=en
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Thanks! Now I can skip taking German classes so I can browse through this website. LOL.
I think when google drops there version of cupcake it will be like having the google's update of RC33 and when all the source codes are out the Dude build will be like having RC33 JF builds. I hope everyone understands what i mean.
I think this build is made by Tmobile. But I hope this build would be made by HTC. HTC's designer is very good.
I have the haykuro g build.. and i really dont see anything wrong.. it works just as smooth as the jf 1.42 rc 33
DAKIDD236 said:
I have the haykuro g build.. and i really dont see anything wrong.. it works just as smooth as the jf 1.42 rc 33
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Well, I guess my phone is some special version, as I found it to be unstable, and the browser was much slower.
The Wifi was horrible, and showed a much weaker connection than in JF 1.42
And kept disconnecting. (Yes, I made sure the option for it to automatically turn off was not selected).
funbacon said:
I think this build is made by Tmobile. But I hope this build would be made by HTC. HTC's designer is very good.
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TMo doesn't exactly cook their own builds. They just customize them to meet their needs.
I know there is a thread about the actual HTC app where folks were trying to get it from Haykuro H to G, but this same question keeps coming up in different threads so I just want to throw it out there. Do any of the 1.5 builds have Exchange sync capability built in and if not, can we figure out how to take the earlier HTC apk and supporting libraries and make it work? I know there are a lot of people like me who will be dying to move to the pure 1.5 dream code but won't until Exchange is available. I know there are some market apps that do this, but the HTC app works perfectly in Haykuro's older H builds and I wouldn't need any other functionality that might be offered by the pay apps.
I'm in the same boat. I'm using the 1.5H build and it's amazing how well the exchange integration works. Easily 100 times better than any paid app in the market.
I'd love to try and disassemble htc rom, but I just don't have any time for it. besides, it's DEEPLY integrated, not just an app. So I don't think it's as easy as extracting the .apk from the htc rom and installing it on another build.
That being said, I will add 'where there's a will, there's a way.'
So let's get to it guys!!
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I'm in the same boat. I'm using the 1.5H build and it's amazing how well the exchange integration works. Easily 100 times better than any paid app in the market.
I'd love to try and disassemble htc rom, but I just don't have any time for it. besides, it's DEEPLY integrated, not just an app. So I don't think it's as easy as extracting the .apk from the htc rom and installing it on another build.
That being said, I will add 'where there's a will, there's a way.'
So let's get to it guys!!
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Wait, so the 1.5H that he released last night with and without Apps2SD has the Exchange integration from HTC? If so, is that because it is in the HTC ADP 1.5 release that came out yesterday?
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Wait, so the 1.5H that he released last night with and without Apps2SD has the Exchange integration from HTC? If so, is that because it is in the HTC ADP 1.5 release that came out yesterday?
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No
5.02H(Sapphire Port) builds have Exchange support
1.5H is the latest HTC build specifically for DREAM/G! and does not have exchange support.
I've seen exchange removed from 5.02H with the Contacts/Sync that 5.XG has, so I don't see why the other way couldn't be done. I think it would be 3 files to get it working correctly, but not sure what those files would be from the sapphire port.
I could be way wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that there are differences in the underlying database structure (at least for contacts) between the HTC builds and the Google builds to facilitate Exchange support.
I remember copying over the libs and the apk and it not giving me an icon in the drawer.
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I could be way wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that there are differences in the underlying database structure (at least for contacts) between the HTC builds and the Google builds to facilitate Exchange support.
I remember copying over the libs and the apk and it not giving me an icon in the drawer.
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I think you are right. I wonder what would happen if I pulled the apks for Exchange, Sync, AND Contacts from the H build and stuck it in one of the official 1.5 builds....I may try that tomorrow if I get off work earlier.
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I think you are right. I wonder what would happen if I pulled the apks for Exchange, Sync, AND Contacts from the H build and stuck it in one of the official 1.5 builds....I may try that tomorrow if I get off work earlier.
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Be prepared to do a data wipe b/c I definitely know the two contact lists are not compatible.
My bad....I meant 5.02H...
I was reading about 1.5 as I was typing. Sorry for the confusion.
Other than in Haykuro's H builds, there is no Exchange sync correct? No one else's builds have it?
yes, it IS deeply integrated, the database used for contacts for example is different to accomodate the datasource where the entry belongs to and seems to have a different structure too.
After much digging and digging, I cant seem to find the glorious palm pre rom any where! I've seen videos for it on youtube and that about it. I searched the forums here and google. Found nothing!
I currently have Qteks Hero rom installed. I don't have any weird issues with it besides it being stupid slow, and tolerable with touchflo turned off. I would like to check out a speedier rom.
If that doesn't work, Im seriously debating about going back to googles official cupcake since there "flan" update is just around the corner!
Where can I find the palm pre rom for 32b?
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After much digging and digging, I cant seem to find the glorious palm pre rom any where! I've seen videos for it on youtube and that about it. I searched the forums here and google. Found nothing!
I currently have Qteks Hero rom installed. I don't have any weird issues with it besides it being stupid slow, and tolerable with touchflo turned off. I would like to check out a speedier rom.
If that doesn't work, Im seriously debating about going back to googles official cupcake since there "flan" update is just around the corner!
Where can I find the palm pre rom for 32b?
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Probably not around these forums..
Probably not going to find it anywhere, because palm threatened to sue people for that theme
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Probably not going to find it anywhere, because palm threatened to sue people for that theme
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I did read an argument about that, but I would have suspected that it would have been around. What would you suggest besides Hero ROM? IMO its a little wonky, and it see,s like that for everyone else to.
I dunno; I've been running evil hero 1.8 since it was released a few days ago, and have had no issues with it (it actually seemed smoother than the actual Hero hardware that I played with earlier today!)
In before a passing mod napalms this thread.
Joking aside, if you're not running Cyanogen, you're only running your device at about half capacity. Hero roms are very pretty and all, but not usable in my opinion for daily phone use.
There are many themes over in the Dream theme forum which will work fine over the top of Cyan on a Magic. I recommend the community Hero theme, glossy edition.
If all you've ever run is stock and Hero, you'll be in for a treat with that combination. In fact (blowing my own trumpet here) grab my mods to the browser (see my sig) and you won't be missing much from Hero at all.
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In before a passing mod napalms this thread.
Joking aside, if you're not running Cyanogen, you're only running your device at about half capacity. Hero roms are very pretty and all, but not usable in my opinion for daily phone use.
There are many themes over in the Dream theme forum which will work fine over the top of Cyan on a Magic. I recommend the community Hero theme, glossy edition.
If all you've ever run is stock and Hero, you'll be in for a treat with that combination. In fact (blowing my own trumpet here) grab my mods to the browser (see my sig) and you won't be missing much from Hero at all.
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Bit of a disservice to JACxRom's dont you think?
Loccy said:
In before a passing mod napalms this thread.
Joking aside, if you're not running Cyanogen, you're only running your device at about half capacity. Hero roms are very pretty and all, but not usable in my opinion for daily phone use.
There are many themes over in the Dream theme forum which will work fine over the top of Cyan on a Magic. I recommend the community Hero theme, glossy edition.
If all you've ever run is stock and Hero, you'll be in for a treat with that combination. In fact (blowing my own trumpet here) grab my mods to the browser (see my sig) and you won't be missing much from Hero at all.
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I searched the dream theme forum for "community Hero" and couldn't find the theme you are referring to, do you have a link?
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I searched the dream theme forum for "community Hero" and couldn't find the theme you are referring to, do you have a link?
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Thusly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541242
As for jacxrom v Cyan, in my humble opinion it's no context - although both are infintely better than running stock.
Here's a thought.
Possibly put in a formal request...other than Palm's infinite power to file a lawsuit for anything looking too similar; there isn't much to worry about.
I think that a fully fashioned Palm Pre theme would be pretty kick ass.
(Just my opinion folks.)
Ok, So the "Community Hero" looks awesome! Im cunfused on how to load the theme on my MT3G 32B. Do I apply it like I did Qtek? (Flash, Partition the drive into 3, load rom as updat.zip?
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In before a passing mod napalms this thread.
Joking aside, if you're not running Cyanogen, you're only running your device at about half capacity. Hero roms are very pretty and all, but not usable in my opinion for daily phone use.
There are many themes over in the Dream theme forum which will work fine over the top of Cyan on a Magic. I recommend the community Hero theme, glossy edition.
If all you've ever run is stock and Hero, you'll be in for a treat with that combination. In fact (blowing my own trumpet here) grab my mods to the browser (see my sig) and you won't be missing much from Hero at all.
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I have to completly disagree with you on the Hero is not usable every day. I have used a version everyday since June on my G1 and now everyday for that last month on mytouch with no issues and I use one of these phones everyday. Browser, Texting, calls, widgets, everything.
I second that hero is nice but not for My everyday use, especially when dealing with tons of emails and needing a bluetooth head set to talk.
OP PM me for your original request. Seems like its about to turn into UFC rom fight in here
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Ok, So the "Community Hero" looks awesome! Im cunfused on how to load the theme on my MT3G 32B. Do I apply it like I did Qtek? (Flash, Partition the drive into 3, load rom as updat.zip?
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Right.
Do a wipe, including your sd card
Flash cyanogen 4.0.4
Let it boot once
Flash the theme over the top of it (do NOT wipe)
And you should be good to go.