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How in the world could the same battery of 1620mAh running on an operating system (WM2005) with a reasonable time and then running under a later operating system (WM6) -which's supposed to be better one- drain like anything!!
I have not seen anyone under this forum praised power mngmt using WM6!!
I wonder how could the later PPC models with lesser battery capacity (1350mAh) run for a longer period than Universal!? How could the same CPU been used in two different models running under two separate OS have better power mngmt?
Is't a false battery meter reading? Is't a false battery threshold that's is required for WM6 that the OS is misinterpreting or misreading? Is't a processing power and running-in-the-background apps?
Could someone explain and perhaps hack the codes of commands for the power mngmt? I mean we are fed up guys
Someone has to handle this...
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WM6 & Battery Issue
Cyber-mate said:
How in the world could the same battery of 1620mAh running on an operating system (WM2005) with a reasonable time and then running under a later operating system (WM6) -which's supposed to be better one- drain like anything!!
I have not seen anyone under this forum praised power mngmt using WM6!!
I wonder how could the later PPC models with lesser battery capacity (1350mAh) run for a longer period than Universal!? How could the same CPU been used in two different models running under two separate OS have better power mngmt?
Is't a false battery meter reading? Is't a false battery threshold that's is required for WM6 that the OS is misinterpreting or misreading? Is't a processing power and running-in-the-background apps?
Could someone explain and perhaps hack the codes of commands for the power mngmt? I mean we are fed up guys
Someone has to handle this...
Cheers
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I strongly agree with you...am experiencing the same.
something is problem with WM6 & Universal.
Hope this Main issue will be solved with the upcoming WM6 builds
Really wondered why none of our friends raised this issue, infact i was waiting for a message like this......
thanks
Bye
Hate to break it to you guys but this has been discussed before,
here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311168&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310078&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306064&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302193&highlight=battery
The general consensus was that the flashing process can sometimes screw up the bettery's sensors, giving false reading of being fully charged or at a certain percent.
THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH WM6
Look through the above links, some have good suggestions on how to fix this issue
TehPenguin said:
Hate to break it to you guys but this has been discussed before,
here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311168&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310078&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306064&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302193&highlight=battery
The general consensus was that the flashing process can sometimes screw up the bettery's sensors, giving false reading of being fully charged or at a certain percent.
THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH WM6
Look through the above links, some have good suggestions on how to fix this issue
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Okay TehPenguin. After carefully reading those posts, most have agreed that it is the ROM to blame!! How come man? If others said it is hardware related, some said it is the battery life itself!
I am raising a question here. Have anyone tried replacing the .dll and other battery related files to find out whether it is the coding? Remember when Uni. was first introduced and iMate patched the battery justifying the battery drain? Then it could be the same?
Now, most of the other devices in this forum had an upgrade, anyone encountered the same with their respective device likewise Uni?
The floor is open...
If it is the ROM, then why are only some people affected?
I will concede that it may be possible that it is the combination of the ROM and particular hardware (which causes some weird stuff to happen, like my device's phone radio does not like Ivan's base)
What I recommend you do is contact all of the people who have been having issues with their batteries and find out:
What brand they have
What radio and bootloader versions they have
What particular version of the battery they have
The age of their device\battery
If you notice a correlation then thats something we can work with.
If you just claim "It the ROM" and the developers don't see any issue in their devices, then they will dismiss your claim.
(btw. I have no doubt that your battery is draining fast, you just shouldn't be so quick to blame the software. As I have said before, batteries have a complex mix of chemicals that store power, the reaction that occurs in these chemicals is affected by a lot of factors...)
Happy hunting!
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If it is the ROM, then why are only some people affected?
I will concede that it may be possible that it is the combination of the ROM and particular hardware (which causes some weird stuff to happen, like my device's phone radio does not like Ivan's base)
What I recommend you do is contact all of the people who have been having issues with their batteries and find out:
What brand they have
What radio and bootloader versions they have
What particular version of the battery they have
The age of their device\battery
If you notice a correlation then thats something we can work with.
If you just claim "It the ROM" and the developers don't see any issue in their devices, then they will dismiss your claim.
(btw. I have no doubt that your battery is draining fast, you just shouldn't be so quick to blame the software. As I have said before, batteries have a complex mix of chemicals that store power, the reaction that occurs in these chemicals is affected by a lot of factors...)
Happy hunting!
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Ooooh! Tedious job man!! As for points (1 & 4), it is out of our reach. Whereas points (2 & 3), then definitely it is the bootloader & radio! Do you notice that OEM providers -I expect so- thoroughly test their devices before releasing and many factors are considered out of which Radio & Bootloader are tested and then they RECOMMEND the combination of the appropriate radio & bootloader versions!
In this forum, or more specifically, the restless ones cant wait to retrieve feedback from the market with regards to upgrades!! Any radio version gets released, we upgrade! Any bootloader gets released, we upgrade, and then we start to nag and complaint!!
I have gut feeling it is surely the radio and the processing mechanism! I want someone who have used the Uni for PPc only and not turned the radio nor wifi for days and watched how the battery drains! If it did not affect, then bingo! Otherwise I do apologize for having misjudged.
Mind you, I have not got any TECHNICAL explanation on the hardware and processing power part
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Ooooh! Tedious job man!! As for points (1 & 4), it is out of our reach. Whereas points (2 & 3), then definitely it is the bootloader & radio! Do you notice that OEM providers -I expect so- thoroughly test their devices before releasing and many factors are considered out of which Radio & Bootloader are tested and then they RECOMMEND the combination of the appropriate radio & bootloader versions!
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A more tedious job is to compare registry hives and files looking for a bug that doesn't affect your own device...
I don't see how points 1 & 4 are out of reach. If people just post here what brand (I-Mate, Dopod, O2, etc) thats number 1 solved. As for number 4, just remove the battery cover and look for the model number (for instance This one has the model number "PU16A") - again post results here
Cyber-mate said:
In this forum, or more specifically, the restless ones cant wait to retrieve feedback from the market with regards to upgrades!! Any radio version gets released, we upgrade! Any bootloader gets released, we upgrade, and then we start to nag and complaint!!
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Some people nag and complain, some people revert back to the old version and some people fix things. You have to ask yourself which one are you? And which one you should be...
Cyber-mate said:
I have gut feeling it is surely the radio and the processing mechanism! I want someone who have used the Uni for PPc only and not turned the radio nor wifi for days and watched how the battery drains! If it did not affect, then bingo! Otherwise I do apologize for having misjudged.
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Now this I like!!!
Good hypothesis, and a good test. Now all we need is someone to do the test.
Having thought of the above thing, can you see how it would be better to say to the develpers (and comminity) that devices made by xxxx running radio 1.xx have high battery drain...
The whole point of collecting statistics is to notice patterns. From these patterns we can derive hypothesis that can then be tested
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Mind you, I have not got any TECHNICAL explanation on the hardware and processing power part
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Anything you would like to know, just ask!!
Whew Ask me mate
Suddenly my JJ which was working perfectly alright
Refuses to go beyond 40% battery life
And it could be coz i upgraded individually from here and there
I have decided I am goin for a new rom
and following the instructs to the letter
WIshing myself luck
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i have dopod 900, Radio 1.15, bootloader 1.1
i first had battery shutdown @80% when i installed jw's rom no offense man, i've tried other WM6 Midget, PDAViet, Ivan's etc... and liked Helmi_c v1.1 (i tried battery drain and full recharge 4 times) but still experiencing shutdowns until i've installed Laurentius v4 i'm down to 25% battery consumption now and the battery drains ok. i still don't know if its the ff:
1.) the ROM
2.) maybe battery is healing itself...
3.) maybe this rom is just compatible with my device...
4.) maybe none of the above or all of the above
(of course i cannot account for other circumstances like weather change or airconditioning) good news is, i'm gonna buy bluetooth stereo headset instead of a new battery!
hope this helps
ethansun
almerchant said:
Suddenly my JJ which was working perfectly alright
Refuses to go beyond 40% battery life
And it could be coz i upgraded individually from here and there
I have decided I am goin for a new rom
and following the instructs to the letter
WIshing myself luck
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...okay! I do not like this part to discredit anyone coz many of those ROM gurus have worked really hard and harder than one could imagine. ROM related battery drain is a very disappointing part.
I cant imagine that someone would pinpoint a particular ROM developed by xxx and say it is the culprit, which will lead to many -including myself- to despise that particular one!!
However, a constructive feedback and HONEST is the key. Let us wait -but not too long- and only YOU will tell us what is wrong
Awaiting...
Radio & drain!
Haven't anyone noticed that most members who have upgraded radio to 1.15 sent feedback that the signal is always full and no obvious issue to talk about!!
Well, the previous radio versions such as 1.14, 1.13, even 1.09 -which I liked then- had tremendous complaints about signal strength and other issues. Com'n people! It is definitely the radio and no one had talked about it.
While my device is on stand-by mode, it is suck up the battery power to compensate the signal weakness, therefore radio 1.15 being the best so far, is the lousiest in terms of power mngmt! I certainly have no technical evidence, yet it is left up to you to find out.
Please read my posting (#13, #14 & #18) again, especially #18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306064&page=2&highlight=battery
How well Radio ROM performed is again very much depend on location and service provider, I can beg till my last dollar on this.
Anyway for me, I find that actually Radio 1.15.00 last longer than the previous Radios with the same battery, same M$ ROM. Although Radio 1.14.10 is not too bad.
Once again, please do not jump into conclusion like what I did before (which happen to be my first ever post in this forum) which will misled many people who are lazy to search and read through.
Cyber-mate said:
Haven't anyone noticed that most members who have upgraded radio to 1.15 sent feedback that the signal is always full and no obvious issue to talk about!!
Well, the previous radio versions such as 1.14, 1.13, even 1.09 -which I liked then- had tremendous complaints about signal strength and other issues. Com'n people! It is definitely the radio and no one had talked about it.
While my device is on stand-by mode, it is suck up the battery power to compensate the signal weakness, therefore radio 1.15 being the best so far, is the lousiest in terms of power mngmt! I certainly have no technical evidence, yet it is left up to you to find out.
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Well, I'm using 1.15 and it works fine. On top of that I live in a pretty remote place (being Australia and all), so my signal typically isn't too great...
Either way, statistically speaking, you need 30 data points (ie people) before you can claim anything. (Why 30? I don't know... But I almost had a Maths Degree from University (before switching to Computer Science) and thats what I was taught...)
Normally setting Radio to Manual instead of Auto and to GSM instead of 3G mode in weak signal area saves you significant battery drain (there is a technical explanation for this).
For me, I always set to GSM, only to 3G when needed, that is how I clocked 4 days with my battery "sometimes"
@TehPenguin
Err... Remote does not always equal bad signal. Some City area can have blind spots with weak signal too
TehPenguin said:
...you need 30 data points (ie people) before you can claim anything. (Why 30? I don't know... But I almost had a Maths Degree from University (before switching to Computer Science) and that's what I was taught...)
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Alright then. I am surely waiting for another 28 opinions (data points) and only then I/we can conclude.
TehPenguin/CWKJ, thanks for your contribution and making this debate a valuable one.
Cheers..
Nah, a poll for Radio ROM is meaningless as I repeat 1 more time that Radio Rom performance is depending on location and service provider.
A2DP is pretty crap on this device drops out left right and centre... apparently there is a patch for the tytn for this issue, can it be ported by one of you techies????
yes, the polaris is quite bad with bluetooth, my TyTN is MUCH better! For instance, I have a Motorola S9, with the TyTN I can be in another room and still have perfect reception, but with my polaris I can't even hold the device in my hand without chop chop chop...
so if someone could port the fix that would be great, but I don't think that is the problem, I believe it is the radio that needs to be fixed. I mean, you can tweak the os and regsettings for longer distance, but then you loose the quality, and imho the only way to increase the signal strenght is to change it in the radio itself...
but hey, someone could try, or port the broadcom stack (which probably woudln't work because of the above statement)
The TC sucks whith Motorola BT headsets (doesn't matter which one... generaly), but works good whith others...
The TyTN has a different processor, different motherboard, on SW solutions, and of course a different Radio IC, so it won't be possible to install/adapt that device specific patch for our TCs...
Also there are several threads dealing whith BT, no need to start a new one...
The other threads are about people trashing there radio roms this is a different subject matter - so i'm quite happy the new thread was justified...
People who dash around telling people not to start new threads or search are truly the most annoying people on the planet - if you don't like the thread don't read it a.hole
There is a thread whith BT headsests and their problems already...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359515
The question could have been asked there, and google would still find it.
I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
Also it could be radio and what most likely is the signal strength. As weaker the signal, as more power required to compensate.
WAAAAHHHH! Don't buy a smart phone then.
I get a full days use. About 2 hours of music playing, signed into an IM client and do some msg and talking and still have 75% at the end of the day.
My guess that its your rom, but i am betting you didn't change the setting in HTC's task manager.
Go to Settings > system > Task manager and change the close action button actually close the buttom. The default action for WM task manager and HTC task manager is to minimize or hide the apps.
So let's say i open WMPlayer, Google Maps, Contacts, Text, Microsoft word. I hit the X, but if i don't change that setting, when i press the X, those programs are still running consuming battery and memory.
Try making sure no unneeded tasks are running and update your radio to 1.14.25.05, and Da_G's 6.5 rom and lets see how ya do next week.
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Yo PwnCakes193..
I feel yur agony.. I used to experience shi tty battery life too.. My raphael can only sustained for like 5 hours.. without battery draining applications like music player even running..
However, Things took a turn when i flashed my raphael to the following rom and radio:
ROM Version: ROMeOS v1.95.4 WWE
Radio: 1.12.25.19 (With matching rilphone version)
It is so much better now !! I have calls and sms coming in while Garmin GPS is running for like an hour with battery dropping only 15% from 100% to 75%... !! And i **** u not.. And by the way.. my raphael's been with me for like 5 months now.. I'm loving it more each day..
Good luck and hav fun!
Too advanced for you?
PwnCakes193 said:
I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
I echo what's been said in above posts and would add as a suggestion only to try the new htc rom with the 1.14.xx radio both are the latest from htc. Boring I know, but very stable. Don't throw your device away without trying it. The custom roms can be frustrating as they can be unstable at times, but very fun to tweak and experiment with.It sounds like yourmore a user who wants stability over the rest. Go to htc site and search for latest rom, try that 1.14 radio and report back.
I use a 1800 mAh battery in my pro and I always charge everynight. Not a big deal. I also have prolly less than the 75% you reported at the same time, another not a big deal. "it is what it is" You can adapt or you can get a diff phone. I have an LG dumb phone my work supplies me for calls only, that battery lasts 2 weeks . LOL!!
wow, harsh words.
It's not like this complaint is an isolated one. There are other forums out there(AT&T, and Howard) that have the same observations about battery life. To say that it is a portable pc and that someone should be happy with 6-8 hours of battery life is pretty silly too. It is a smartphone, like the blackberry, like the treo, like the blackberry. And when people complained about the battery life of the Iphone, it's not like everyone said, deal with it. Apple released another firmware to try and remedy this. Blackberrys seem to go for a couple if not more days without charging with 3G, push email etc running, so why would this not be expected from the Fuze?
I own both the Tilt and the Fuze and find I can squeeze out about 3 days with push email, a bluetooth headset, about an hour or two a day of listening to music through the headset and 3G enabled. The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the tilt, so wouldn't it be logical to think i should be able to do the same with this product? I have flashed several different roms and radios(with the rilphone.dll) and right now cannot get past 8 hours of usage on it. I thought it was the radio but I have tested it without a sim in it and get the same results. So either the battery is faulty, or it just stinks.
I am going through troubleshooting it right now, and based on some helpful hints on other forums, am trying to discharge the battery fully in hopes that it resets the battery guage.
I think helpful posts, like those that say try a new radio/rom are good ways to respond. Saying "go get an Iphone" or "this is a ppc, deal with the battery" are not helpful to people who search the forums for solutions.
Just my 2(maybe a lot more) cents
Reefermattness said:
Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
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Really? Listen a**hole, I know what I'm dealing with. I'm running the 21210 build of 6.5 that I cooked in Da_G's Kitchen with the .20M1 radio AND RIL. Yes, I know i'm being picky, but a phone should last at least a little while, no matter what. I get a full day charge, but just texting and no calling, on EDGE, I should easily be down to 85% in 24 hours. I know it's a small PC, but that is no excuse. I am a mainstream tech savvy person, and I mod/hack everything I own, use everything to it's full potential. I don't want an iPhone because its an overhyped and, in my opinion, horrible phone. I was never trying to look cool when I bought this phone. I even helped a few members out here when they bricked their phones, and I taught a few how to cook ROMs!
Next time think before you post, you troll.
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I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
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I have tried almost all the ROMs, my favorite being At0mAng's, but he's gone now . I'm cooking my own 6.5 ROMs now
The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the Tilt? I guess according to the order that ATT purchased their HTC phones, but probably not according to HTC...
The HTC Touch Pro is the successor of the Diamond. Just because ATT replaced the Tilt with the Fuze does not mean its the successor. Tmobile is calling the TP2 the "Wing 2" in America, does that mean it's the successor to the wing?? NO. If anything most hardcore HTC follower will agree the TP2 is the successor to the Tilt (kinda obvious isn't it?).
Regardless of what order they came in, or what phone its supposed to replace, the Fuze has a bigger processor, twice as much ram, and twice as high resolution LCD. Its hard to compare the 2 on battery life. My Tilt gets a faster GPS lock, and the battery lasts way longer, than the Fuze. Does that mean its better? NO.
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
If you have an honest question where you need help then please ask, and im sure someone will help you get MUCH better battery life! All i really meant by what i was saying before i got sidetracked, is that if you don't like your HTC products, or it doesn't fit your lifestyle like you thought it would, then take it back, and get something else. Just don't come into a HTC forum, and start badmouthing products, because that will get you nowhere, and you should have been expecting the answer you got.
I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
Reefermattness said:
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
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Where'd you get badass? I just said I hacked/modded a lot of the things I owned.... I haven't gotten into the processing specs and all that stuff yet...
And since when does being a troll have to do with what time you joined? I have yet to troll on this forum, I have either asked questions, or have helped people who are having trouble....
jjjacksonjjj said:
I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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I hear that, I can relate as I've had my s**t jumped a few times on this forum as well and I always learned from it. I'm not an expert at all and thats the reason I come here to learn about my various wm devices, currently the touch pro. I undestand the issues especially with battery and stability.Except for battery I don't have any complaints that you mention. My RF which I value as a number 1 priority is very good. No dialer issues here either. I also think it would be nice to have perfectly operating devices right out of the box and considering what we pay for these things, it seems we should get better. In my experience all the wm devices I've ever had have had inadequate batteries. It's just the way it is. I did not expect my pro to be any diff. in that regard. I got it anyway and bought a better battery. In the past few weeks I've tried various 6.5 roms with differing results and none were very stable. It's the way it is and I don't really expect it to be better, but I love it anyway. I've used symbian s60 nokia devices and thought some of the e series have outstanding stability and battery life. So I have choices.
My choice is to continue learning and I'll get extended batteries when I think I need it. When I get tired of the wm BS I'll go back to E series for awhile.
For anyone who is calling themselves proficient in wm and the various ins and outs of flashing and obviously has some experience apparently, I find it kinda strange that they would be surprised by the battery life. Stability can be had from diff rom combos. But bad battery life is a given with wm. we get used to it and move on or go check out e series. It also rocks! Lotsa choices.
Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
wow, boys, calm down. *****ing at each other is oh so productive. maybe we could try to HELP each other out and be friends! just a thought...
i'm getting maybe 12 hours on a full charge running the leaked att stock rom and it's really starting to tick me off. i bought a portable power pack that can give me a full charge on its full charge (Xpal harry II) but i want to be able to get AT LEAST a full day without having to pop it onto a usb or wall charger for 20 minutes. im thinknig of flashing to da_g's or natf's 6.1 roms witihn the next couple weeks hoping that they'd be able to improve my battery life. i'm pretty happy with the radio and i'm in boston so no major signal issues there. maybe it's just a sh*tty rom draining my battery?
and now that i wasted 10 minutes reading this thread, i'm giong to go back to studying for finals. joy.
EDIT: I installed the fuzeberry theme a week or two ago and that's caused a TF3D problem (see my thread here about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511760) but is there any chance that THIS is also killing my battery? hate the att manila but i might have to revert back if it gets me more hours :\
PwnCakes193 said:
what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
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****, sorry mate I can't remember now, I changed a setting in the registry and installed a keyboardincrease cab? Maybe others on here will be able to point you in the right direction. I am a noob at this type of stuff really and just follow instructions that members on here suggest - once the problems fixed I forget about it.
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try using a 6.5 ROM I cooked now, it's doing fairly well, i would Hard-SPL, then try and flash a new radio or ROM, should help you out, turn off 3G, which should help. Also download advanceconfig and turn on the power saving items there.
FWIW, I have never had good results with the gps, but since I flashed the htc 5.05.401.1 with radio: 1.14.25.05 I now get very quick lock times. Also battery is a bit better even tho I'm running shell3.
Curious to know which specific Captivate hardware revisions are still plagued with GPS, and random shutdown problems? Me too. So pop open your captivate, look under the battery for the rev number, and vote.
I'm guessing that a lot of the older revisions (which aren't tested refurbs) are still more problematic than the newer revs (even if running non-stock ROMS), but if there's enough data points in the poll maybe we'll see a pattern emerge that's better than anecdotal evidence (such as my 1008 being stable as a 10-legged chair.)
I have 1007 crappy GPS butt it works never had any problem worth random reboots
Purchased mine at the end of July 2011 i could go and warranty replace it because of the GPS but aren't some of the new ones having the 3 button combo problems, or is that also an old version that's fixed bow
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The issues are not build spicific. They can plague any build.
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The issues are not build spicific. They can plague any build.
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Yes, but most of the problems should be concentrated in specific builds, as lessons are learned and higher-quality parts are used, since pissed off customers and replacement phones cost $.
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Yes, but most of the problems should be concentrated in specific builds, as lessons are learned and higher-quality parts are used, since pissed off customers and replacement phones cost $.
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Have a look around the threads and you will see that it really is very random. Like I have a 1011 build with no issues what so ever and that includes being able to use one click odin to go back to 2.1 when it had 2.2 pre-installed, while others that have the same thing and use it and wind up in a bootloop with tons of issues. GPS as always sucked in all models compared to other phones.
They supposedly made the GOP's a little8020 better with done if the new models but that doesn't mean is good
So it is just a luck of the draw to get the different problems with the different builds
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I'm on my fifth right now, all had/have shutdown issues, first one also had GPS issues, fifth one also has screen problems. First three were 10.07, then 10.09, fifth is 1011. I'm not bothering to hope my sixth will actually work but I'm going to keep making them send me replacements as long as they keep sending me broken phones.
I have flashed 4 separate captivates. Mine is a 1010 my sister has a 1012, her bf first had a 1011 he broke the screen and got an insurance replacement that new one is a 1012 and it came with froyo preinstalled on it. I have had no random shut down issues with any of them, or any problems using odin one click, which some 1010+ have. GPS works great, granted none of them are on stock so that could be the fixes in the roms.
phones are just as individualistic as their owners.
I had a 1007 that was working brilliantly save for the typically halfbaked GPS, until its internal NAND chip died. It was CM7'd, but it must have automatically used my external as a fallback (partitioned and ruined it >_>), allowing me to flash it back to stock.
My warranty-replacement was another 1007, but came software-bricked out of the box and lacked the button combos for download mode. I couldn't fumble together a working jig, so I gave up and blasted ATT for giving me a broken phone as a replacement.
After hollering at them for 12+ hours and getting them to ship me a new phone, my current one is a 1102. I just did everything from ADB and CWM; I'm not going to try and muck with it and I doubt that it's going to take oneclick well considering that it is almost like a 1.1 hardware revision as I would guess from the sudden jump in number. Considering how the 1007 that came with Froyo lacked button combos once softbricked, I'm not ambitious enough to try with the 1102. GPS actually works well, words I never thought I'd say with this phone.
Safe to say, I'm just going to ride out my contract now on Froyo. I voted for the 1102 with no major issues.
My first phone was a 1006. It had very poor GPS on stock but was eventually usable with GPS fixes, running LBSTest Mode in the background, etc. It also developed random shutdown issues after about three months, which started slowly but got more frequent as time went by. I got it replaced about February 1st by AT&T through the mail, not in a service center. The tech I was connected to because of the shutdown issues claimed the replacement would be a rebuilt with a new outer case but used parts inside and would not have random shutdown issues. The build number of the replacement is 1008, but of course that probably doesn't mean anything. The replacement GPS worked fine out of the box before I flashed, and has also worked fine on Andromeda. It locks in a reasonable amount of time, and tracks almost perfect. I have only had one trip in four months where it didn't stay on the road. I have also had no other hardware problems with this phone. Judging by my experience alone, I would say there are definitely differences from build to build, but of course that is anecdotal rather than scientific.
I will be getting a new droid charge for replacement because my current droid charge got a red stuck pixel in the middle of screen. Anybody who knows they have the newer hardware version of their phones because samsung is supposed to be shipping new droid charge with a better 4g chip. Check out the link below. This new ones might have better performance of 4g in terms of battery life, 4g to 3g switching vice versa. So let me know guys what do you think.
anadigics.com/news/press_releases/anadigics_powers_samsung_droid_charge_smartphone
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I will be getting a new droid charge for replacement because my current droid charge got a red stuck pixel in the middle of screen. Anybody who knows they have the newer hardware version of their phones because samsung is supposed to be shipping new droid charge with a better 4g chip. Check out the link below. This new ones might have better performance of 4g in terms of battery life, 4g to 3g switching vice versa. So let me know guys what do you think.
anadigics.com/news/press_releases/anadigics_powers_samsung_droid_charge_smartphone
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Based on the article, it's still going to use the same radios that it is currently using, just maybe it is a different amplifier for the radios. For all we know, that amplifier is already in the current phones as companies cannot always announce sales/deals like this until after a product is released.
I don't necessarily get that they are just now shipping the radios. But if they are, I'd feel betrayed by both Verizon and Samsung.
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I don't necessarily get that they are just now shipping the radios. But if they are, I'd feel betrayed by both Verizon and Samsung.
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That was my feeling, the article doesn't seem to say anything about a new version, or what is in the phone now, but if they do release something and not replace the "old" model, that is pretty bad.
I wonder if it would be easy to spot on a disassembled Charge. This guy disassembled his Droid Charge, so maybe he can find out if existing Charges already have this power amplifier in them.
Considering it's not that new and already has been used in previous Samsung devices (Intensity II, Gusto, Galaxy Tab), I'm thinking it's probably already there. But if it isn't and would help someone like me get a more reliable data connection (I'm in a slow/weak 3G area and also fringing on 4G/4G Extended, so it's been a battle for me), then I would definitely try to obtain this hardware revision if it exists.
On another note, any way we can get a hold of the service manual for this phone? I imagine that would some useful information/pictures/diagrams in there.
Based on the article they are just anouncing that they are in the Droid Charge. It is what is there now, there is nothing new.