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Windows Mobile 7 screenshots and details - leaked

Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/

Nice find dude
edit: multi-touch confirmed!

Thanx! The Battle goes on for Microsoft and Apple. In 2009 Multitouch is a "Must"

z_rudy said:
Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.

Link is working, but it's slow now..

Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Microsoft was investing in multitouch technology since years ago

Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Multi-touch is just a name. The technology has been around a long time, and MS even has an implementation in Microsoft Surface.
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
Surur

http://www.sendspace.com/file/imgb4m
http://download.yousendit.com/FC5662C918CDB87E
Link to mht file from above

I heard rumours(read some article on the net) about multitouch technology that it was a company in Finland who first came up with it, but after 6 months it just was developing "dead spots" on the screen, so they dropped the project. And now Apple "bought" it from them... I say once again Rumours.?

Thats it. Im keeping my WM5 device until further notice. I can survive off extracted WM6 apps until then....

this is from Apple insider about "dead spots" http://www.appleinsider.com/article...essing_dead_spots_on_iphone_touchscreens.html

!!!!
Wonder what it'll run on. Oh well, my Wizard probably won't run it (but here's to hoping it will)

How nice of the blog to spill Microsoft's new and secret ideas for all the competitors out there

Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.

nvrnuff said:
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Now.. to be realistic, out of all the phones that are being sold with windows mobile how many do you think end up reflashed? I am willing to bet that it is quite a small percentage in the end. Most people don't want to get down and dirty with their phones, especially when they've already paid £400-£500 for it.

nvrnuff said:
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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WM is one of the few platforms where they would even consider giving updates. Even Symbian and Palm don't. Even on a computer they don't give Vista because we have XP.
As long as it runs compatible hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if develops here find a way to get it working. There's also always test builds on older devices. And it's still a long time before this is going to be released. It doesn't exactly make sense to purposely produce versions for hardware that could be old.
In short, we'll just have to see. There's no point making that speculation.

From the look of it (especially the fonts that have too much quality), the images are just mockups.
And given the Vista example, I bet it will look a lot worse when shipped than what we are seeing in these concepts.
Still, it's nice to see them and them evaluate how much work it takes to implement something that takes just a few days to design in Photoshop.

Can the Betas be far behind ?

Yeah, let's bring the battle to the fruitsuckers!

Some of the stuff looks similar to Pointui.

Training website

Anyone seen the offical windows trainig webiste, i signed up and got some free stuff tho i think you have to work in industry to get it. Its not very advanced compared to stuff on here but is good for neewbies to WM and also has a forum which is monitored by microsoft. Good way to suggest changes but obviously doesnt directly affect HTC.
Anyway it is
www.windowsmobiletraining.com and the promo code i had was UK138-2

This website is actually pretty interesting if you want to fill your resume with pretty tech certificates. I just completed my first course!! PS Thanks for bringing this to our attention, seems interesting.

You don't need to work with cellphones to sign up. I signed up just as someone who uses a windows mobile phone and i have access to all the courses.
I'm planning on taking all the courses because i'm pretty sure theres something completely obvious that i dont know after using winmo for about 5 years.

Well, I just completed every course on offer, and I guarantee that there are a few things I didn't know after years of use, from 2003SE to now. The courses are fairly easy, and you have multiple goes at completely them (possibly infinite) and also go in the draw to win free ****. That is always a plus.
I recommend it: you might learn something you didn't know yesterday.
PS Check out my new, completely wankish signature, lol

Windows Mobile Training
This site is pretty useful. I learnt a whole load of stuff and got a certificate signed by Peter Knook (whoever he is). And if Peter says I'm a qualified Windows Mobile Specialist then who am I to argue. I'm going to go and wait for my free copy of PGR3 to arrive.
Feel the Danger!

Best Mobile Platform to Begin Developing For?

Hi All,
I troll XDA daily constantly flashing new ROM's for my different Android devices and trying to keep up to date with latest news gor this platform. I have attempted to play around with the Android SDK and find it a little difficult to get acclimated in. I am also picking up a WP7 device to begin to play around with and I have heard that WP7 is easier to learn to code for than Android.
As far as my background, when I was younger I was a novice in Visual Basic, C, and had experimented a bit with Java. I just want to start from the ground up. So what do you recommend and why? Also what would be some good books / websites to give a good starting point into learning to code for the platform.
Thanks in Advance for the help!
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I can't tell you about iOS (iPhone) but comparing Android to Windows Phone, I would say you should take a look at WP.
It's got great free development tools and you can basically reuse a great deal of code in other desktop/web projects.
Getting started - create.msdn.com/en-us/education/basics/developer_resources
The only bad thing is that the whole developer registration is a bit more complicated (it's also not free for everyone) and there can be problems if your country is not supported. If you are a student and live in a "supported" country you can get the membership for free.

I had heard that Windows Phone 7 was extremely easy to use. I appreciate the feedback and the link. Currently WP7 is at the to of my list.
Anyone else?
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C# based Android ICS released

If I understand what has happened, the Mono folks have successfully compiled the core Android OS to use a C# runtime; instead of Dalvik/Java. They're asking the computing community to take up further development and use for it.
* Developer's blog post detailing the conversion
* Github for XobotOS
* "Sharpen" Java -> C# conversion tool. Original and Xamarin-fork

not sure if this is the same, but it shows potential gains http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It8xPqkKxis

Good find! Given that was ~3 years ago, I'm surprised a project like this didn't come out sooner.

I don't wanna start a flame war, but I can't help but think that given the overly litigious nature of MS against El Goog, this will be a BAD idea.

This is a great find, and probably one that should have been looked at earlier!

So guys, what do you think? I mean... Xamarin has produced something they call "sharpen" - an algorithm to "translate" java code to C#. Could anyone with deeper knowledge than mine post their opinion? I understand C# is Microsoft's property and is not open source. But what about classic C or C++? If Android kernel is more or less Linux kernel shouldn't C/C++ be more... Straightforward? Without the whole VM stuff shouldn't it work faster? And isn't C or C++ opesource? Is there some limitation that Java doesn't have?

rajitsingh said:
I don't wanna start a flame war, but I can't help but think that given the overly litigious nature of MS against El Goog, this will be a BAD idea.
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This language have been standardized, this mean MS can't do much about it.

C# is not close source. C# is the programming language that has been designed under some standarts. Ms can not control your program and programming/marketing lifecycle.
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rajitsingh said:
I don't wanna start a flame war, but I can't help but think that given the overly litigious nature of MS against El Goog, this will be a BAD idea.
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Like others mentioned, C# is a standardized language. Yes, MS was the driver/creator in developing and pushing it forward, but that doesn't mean they can go suing people.
Some of the articles surrounding this company, Xamarin, also mentioned Microsoft has not, and stated they would not, go after them for Mono, which is Xamarins open source IDE and and compiler for C#/.NET and has been around for awhile and Ms has been fine with that. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#section_12
See also http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_Java_and_.NET_platforms
Now if google were to actually want to use this language, I'd guess they'd need/want to do some sort of licensing stuff just to avoid future **** storms and get awesome visual studio and all the perks and up to date compilers and libraries faster.
Supposedly the java dvm is getting pretty good, though I'd still like to see Android in a more hardware oriented language, but they're pretty committed at this point. Maybe sun/oracle will piss off goog enough to switch lol. wishful thinking probably.
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Mobile App development - Way out of my league?

Hi folks!
Please forgive me if this is the wrong forum to post a general question about mobile app development..
So my story is that I'm mostly a graphics guy who got asked by a good friend to design a logo for his company. From there I got talked into designing his website and then into building his site. I can throw sites together but I'm no a web programmer and I advised him to hire some real web developers but aside from the fact that I would cost him less, he has trust issues and only wants to work closely with a friend ( me) and trusts my judgement and sense of design. So now I'm trying to mastermind his web presence from the front end to the back end, learning as I go. It's actually TONS of fun!
Then he came around one day asking to make him a mobile app. After the laughter subsided I explained to him the work and money that goes into that which really shocked him. However I told him I would look into what I could do for him, but that I was pretty sure this was out of my league.
I found some great services that will let you build basic mobile apps but now I've become VERY interested in the challenge of developing mobile apps from scratch and have decided to learn some programming languages to enable me to develop web/mobile apps. It seems that mobile platforms are poised to become the norm within the next decade and I would love to be part of its beginnings.
I have three questions:
1.Am I WAY out of my league here?
I ask this because a) I have NO programming experience. b) I ONLY want to use online sources and books, and c) Ideally I would like to be able to build my first app within a couple of months to a year at most.
2.What languages should I learn?
I'm feeling ambitious and want to be very thorough. I figured I should try learning c++ and Java (to an intermediate level). From there I could come around objective-C
3. the Jquery Mobile, HTML5 alternative?
I've noticed a small community of developers heralding HTML5 as the app-building tool of the future, together with JQUERY mobile...That sounds VERY appealing to me as someone who is more used to looking at web development code, and if something is 'the wave of the future' I definitely don't want to waste time learning languages that might become obsolete in a few years... But can you really build a powerful app with just these two tools?
If you've read through my entire post, I am grateful for your patience, and I hope to find some valuable insights on these forums.
Cheers!

I have read your entire post, and while I wish I could help, I'm afraid I'm in your exact situation and wonder about these things myself.
At least you got a small bump!
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lenglain said:
Hi folks!
Please forgive me if this is the wrong forum to post a general question about mobile app development..
So my story is that I'm mostly a graphics guy who got asked by a good friend to design a logo for his company. From there I got talked into designing his website and then into building his site. I can throw sites together but I'm no a web programmer and I advised him to hire some real web developers but aside from the fact that I would cost him less, he has trust issues and only wants to work closely with a friend ( me) and trusts my judgement and sense of design. So now I'm trying to mastermind his web presence from the front end to the back end, learning as I go. It's actually TONS of fun!
Then he came around one day asking to make him a mobile app. After the laughter subsided I explained to him the work and money that goes into that which really shocked him. However I told him I would look into what I could do for him, but that I was pretty sure this was out of my league.
I found some great services that will let you build basic mobile apps but now I've become VERY interested in the challenge of developing mobile apps from scratch and have decided to learn some programming languages to enable me to develop web/mobile apps. It seems that mobile platforms are poised to become the norm within the next decade and I would love to be part of its beginnings.
I have three questions:
1.Am I WAY out of my league here?
I ask this because a) I have NO programming experience. b) I ONLY want to use online sources and books, and c) Ideally I would like to be able to build my first app within a couple of months to a year at most.
2.What languages should I learn?
I'm feeling ambitious and want to be very thorough. I figured I should try learning c++ and Java (to an intermediate level). From there I could come around objective-C
3. the Jquery Mobile, HTML5 alternative?
I've noticed a small community of developers heralding HTML5 as the app-building tool of the future, together with JQUERY mobile...That sounds VERY appealing to me as someone who is more used to looking at web development code, and if something is 'the wave of the future' I definitely don't want to waste time learning languages that might become obsolete in a few years... But can you really build a powerful app with just these two tools?
If you've read through my entire post, I am grateful for your patience, and I hope to find some valuable insights on these forums.
Cheers!
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If you want an easy place to start I can recommend trying badic4android for the same reasons nasa use it, that it lets you create proper standalone android apps just as coding with java does but much quicker and easier. The site for it is basic4ppc.com if you want to check it out.
Failing that the traditional method is using the eclipse ide and android sdk to program in java.
Dave
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mistermentality said:
If you want an easy place to start I can recommend trying badic4android for the same reasons nasa use it, that it lets you create proper standalone android apps just as coding with java does but much quicker and easier. The site for it is basic4ppc.com if you want to check it out.
Failing that the traditional method is using the eclipse ide and android sdk to program in java.
Dave
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Wow thanks Dave I hadn't found this one, it seems like there are tons of resources to facilitate mobile app creation. I will probably look into these to create an app for the non-profit I work for. However, I still think I should learn some programming to become a bonafide app-developer somewhere down the line.
Do you think the objectives I've set myself (in regards to programming languages/rough time frame) are realistic?

lenglain said:
Wow thanks Dave I hadn't found this one, it seems like there are tons of resources to facilitate mobile app creation. I will probably look into these to create an app for the non-profit I work for. However, I still think I should learn some programming to become a bonafide app-developer somewhere down the line.
Do you think the objectives I've set myself (in regards to programming languages/rough time frame) are realistic?
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I think you can do it in two months with any language if you take time to study it, I tried learning java but have memory problems and so couldn't get to grips with it so I use basic4android because its very similar to languages I used as a student and was able to have a gps mapping app up and running in under an hour which surprised me.
Html5 apps can be used offline and are cross platform so would be the way to go for a wider user base as you can reach pc and smartphone users as well as those who use games consoles. You could find out more at http://diveintohtml5.info/offline.html
Dave
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Well I'm just a high school students but from the words of my teacher, as long as you have a mind that can write working algorithms and understand algorithms, languages are second hand, they're just tools.
Personally I find it true as I only know C yet if I look at a java code I can understand what the code does. But that might be because Java has some similarities to C, but I still appreciate the concept.
$1 gets you a reply

Programming is like any other skilled activity
I'm a life-long programmer. 33 years so far.
The quick answer is 'Probably.' You can probably write decent apps in the time frame you're looking at. I'd say you'll want to dedicate no fewer than 5 hours a day at it for that year. The simple truth is that unless you're that rare Mozart, you aren't going to write commercial quality code until you have lots of experience trying to write commercial quality code.
Hobby code... you can probably get hobby quality stuff going in a few weeks. Yes, it'll freeze and restart and throw bizarre errors, but still, that's a very cool thing.
The question then becomes one of defining the level of quality you're after and the time you're willing to devote to learning your craft.