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Should I get one or not?

Hi all, I'm usually over at the vox section, but my daughter wants one of these tornados. I know nothing about them and was wondering if this would be a good purchase for $109.00 usd. Can you tell me good/bad about these phones if possible. Thank you all for your help!

Come on people, 26 of you have viewed this, I REALLY need an answer soon! Can you recommend this phone or not? PLEASE!

If you mean $109 including shipping and almost new phone then yes go for it, otherwise add $20 more and get new one from ebay.
About this phone:
Well I am sure others know more about it, but I am going to say that only thing missing in it is GPS. I mean I dont see what can any new phone do more than this one. You can use wifi for free internet (that means free skype calls all over the globe), watch movies in great quality, play music, put so many optional home screens and so many free programs as it's a windows based phone etc etc
You actualy might say its a mini notebook phone
Me and my wife both have them and we love them.

bllohin said:
If you mean $109 including shipping and almost new phone then yes go for it, otherwise add $20 more and get new one from ebay.
About this phone:
Well I am sure others know more about it, but I am going to say that only thing missing in it is GPS. I mean I dont see what can any new phone do more than this one. You can use wifi for free internet (that means free skype calls all over the globe), watch movies in great quality, play music, put so many optional home screens and so many free programs as it's a windows based phone etc etc
You actualy might say its a mini notebook phone
Me and my wife both have them and we love them.
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I agree with bllohin and recently bought a brand new one for my son for almost the same amount; see my sig at the bottom of this reply
The only issue is the camera is not much as compared to more expensive models. If you are (or your daughter) is brave enough to flash modified ROMs which are released in this forum then there is much improvement (but not the camera because it is hardware dependant).
Thanks

polarbair said:
Hi all, I'm usually over at the vox section, but my daughter wants one of these tornados. I know nothing about them and was wondering if this would be a good purchase for $109.00 usd. Can you tell me good/bad about these phones if possible. Thank you all for your help!
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It's superb phone and I really like it. Upgraded to WM6.1.
Has tons of free programs / games that you can add.
I pity those brainwashed people who buy iPod while they can get a better phone for like 7-8 times less

Go for it! I bought it a few weeks ago, at first , i still feel unsure on this phone and O2 Graphite ,but i finally choose this one, for it mostly include all the functions on a cell phone ,and there are lots of resource on net.if a new one cost $100, it is much more cheaper than mine.... so go for it ~~ you will soon enjoy it~~

I love my tornado to be honest with you, i don't really need to upgrade it. Especially with all the ROM updates you can get here, they really put new life into the phone! especially the new 6.1 edition.
HOWEVER
I'd also like to get my hands on the new S730 that is basicly identical but has boosted up features and the slide out keyboard, which for me would be great as i do more typing then talking on the phone.
Other then that, i don't see any other reason. This phone is SuperB! has everything in it!

I agree that the Tornado is one of the best smartphones HTC ever released. I have the Tempo variant running 6.1 and I like it as much as my Touch Diamond! The only things I will say against it are that the RAM/ROM is a little low (64/64) and it could be a little thinnner than it is. And it would be nice if it had built-in GPS/3G.
The price you are being offered is a little on the high side. I just bought mine for about $100 new.

What phone should I get to replace my Tilt?

I just received a huge bonus at work and the touch screen on my Tilt has seen better days. What phone should I get to replace it? Here's the qualifications:
1. Not an iPhone.
2. Not an Android phone.
3. I use my phone as a PDA FAR more than I actually spend talking on it.
4. I do not use my phone for watching video.
5. I like having a lot of apps available.
6. I am on AT&T and I'm not interested in buying an unlocked phone, though I imagine whatever phone it is, I'm sure I can unlock it through this site.
7. I want something better than QVGA.
8. In your suggestions, imagine that money is no object.
What do you suggest? Thanks.

oscarbum said:
I just received a huge bonus at work and the touch screen on my Tilt has seen better days. What phone should I get to replace it? Here's the qualifications:
1. Not an iPhone.
2. Not an Android phone.
3. I use my phone as a PDA FAR more than I actually spend talking on it.
4. I do not use my phone for watching video.
5. I like having a lot of apps available.
6. I am on AT&T and I'm not interested in buying an unlocked phone, though I imagine whatever phone it is, I'm sure I can unlock it through this site.
7. I want something better than QVGA.
8. In your suggestions, imagine that money is no object.
What do you suggest? Thanks.
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xperia but i dont know about app compatibility because of its weird screen resolution

oscarbum said:
I just received a huge bonus at work and the touch screen on my Tilt has seen better days. What phone should I get to replace it? Here's the qualifications:
1. Not an iPhone.
2. Not an Android phone.
3. I use my phone as a PDA FAR more than I actually spend talking on it.
4. I do not use my phone for watching video.
5. I like having a lot of apps available.
6. I am on AT&T and I'm not interested in buying an unlocked phone, though I imagine whatever phone it is, I'm sure I can unlock it through this site.
7. I want something better than QVGA.
8. In your suggestions, imagine that money is no object.
What do you suggest? Thanks.
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I would suggest
1.- Buy an HD
2.- Wait a few months till 09 HTC great models arrive
3.- Read here: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdachooser
Good luck,

dont be a idiot get the Iphone it has all the Latest Cracked Apps and 100's of 3rd party hadware, and a unix shell /bin/sh , there is probably more apps than winmobile & palm & blackberry combine, and clone your sim so u can still use both your modded tilt

orb3000 said:
I would suggest
1.- Buy an HD
2.- Wait a few months till 09 HTC great models arrive
3.- Read here: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdachooser
Good luck,
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I've been looking at the HTC Touch HD, but I think I may just hold off to see what's coming out soon. My Tilt should hold up even though the touchscreen is started to not respond.
kohala said:
dont be a idiot get the Iphone it has all the Latest Cracked Apps and 100's of 3rd party hadware, and a unix shell /bin/sh , there is probably more apps than winmobile & palm & blackberry combine, and clone your sim so u can still use both your modded tilt
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I have an iPod touch, so I have the positives of an iPhone and I use my Tilt as a wifi router. Best of both worlds.
I think I should word this differently. What would YOU get?

oscarbum said:
I've been looking at the HTC Touch HD, but I think I may just hold off to see what's coming out soon. My Tilt should hold up even though the touchscreen is started to not respond.
I have an iPod touch, so I have the positives of an iPhone and I use my Tilt as a wifi router. Best of both worlds.
I think I should word this differently. What would YOU get?
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I´ll wait to HTC Rhodium comes out, and then I´ll get it!!

orb3000 said:
I´ll wait to HTC Rhodium comes out, and then I´ll get it!!
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Yeah, that's a beauty. May have to wait the 6 months til it comes out.

kohala said:
clone your sim so u can still use both your modded tilt
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interesting, how do u clone a sim card?
op, at least wait for the WM world conference announcements in February...

xperia looks like a good choice. but i would wait a little bit for the new generation of devices they should be much faster than current qualcomm 7200a devices(diamond,touchpto,new touchcrouise,hd and xperia). just look at the crazy performance of new Asus phones to see what i mean http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475616
also samsung are adding a keybord to the omnia and are upgrading their nice i780
waiting seems like a smart thing to do (unless you can get a really really cheap price on the x1 or the hd)

As of today, jan 30th 2009, SONY XPERIA X1 is the king of the hill
You should hold one on your hand to feel the metalic case and stare at the beautiful and crisp Sony WVGA screen.
Not that thick and has plenty of memory onboard (I have loaded tons of apps and still have > 120 MB free mem)
But most of all: it has a REAL audio jack, microSD slot, and full arc-sliding keyboard
After you have it, no more doubt...

I would WAIT !!!
In a few months, we will see more models. It is not like your Tilt is dead now. Just hang in there. That's what I would do. Actrually I am doing it now.

Thank you all for your suggestions. If I get impatient, I think I will go Xperia. Get the full experience of the new PointUI.

I'm in the same boat, I really want to replace my XDA Stellar as the mini USb is really flaky, but the X1 doesn't have an accelerometer, but the Touch Pro does. All in all though, neither offers much more than the Kaiser does.
Lets hope the next gen kit is really fast and had battery life you can measure in days rather than hours...

Seriously, you could get the fuze, but I would wait till the 09 series comes my friend.

Android vs Windows Mobile..which is better/differences, pros and cons?

In your opinion (keep it short please) what is the difference between win mobile and android and pros and cons please?
Thanks
George

Android pros:
Open source
Huge market proliferation (ensuring compatability and development)
Huge app market
Stable faster linux kernel
Winmobile pro:
More compatable with windows
Wifi router (until froyo)
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I have 2 Windows phones and 2 Android phones and I can't think of a single thing the Windows phones do better than the Android phones.

Well, when I got my phone at T mobile today (I was tired of att and verizon, long story..) I asked for an android phone and I get home and see it's a windows phone...?
Mind you, I'm not surprised considering they didn't even know what GSM is when I asked if t mobile was gsm.
I LIKE the fact that it acts as a hot spot so what is FROYO?
I also thing I'l like droid better so here's the question, do they make the HD2 for android and is it available for t mobile?
Also, the navigation on the windows hd2 I have seems totally retarded...
Yes, the droid (I had the 8183) was much better.
Does it mean I liked the 8183? Nope and whoever the idiot is that wrote the software that only lets you use a FRACTION of the big a$$ screen to display info, phone numbers, names and such should be shot, SLOWLY!
You guys have NO idea how many countless hours I've spent in frustration, trying to find a way to SEE things on the screen with my $hitty eyesight and all because some moron is too stupid to figure out that MAYBE they should start with making the BASICS work on the phone.
You know, kinda like the iPhone. It was great, EXCEPT at being a friggin' PHONE! Let's see, iPHONE, what part of phone didn't you understand?
Sadly enough, ALL these idiots make more money at what they do than I do
Thanks
George

guiri_too said:
In your opinion (keep it short please) what is the difference between win mobile and android and pros and cons please?
Thanks
George
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xda-developers > Android Development and Hacking > Android Apps and Games
FAIL.

rpimps said:
I have 2 Windows phones and 2 Android phones and I can't think of a single thing the Windows phones do better than the Android phones.
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Well, I loved MyPhone on Windows Mobile. And I just have my Android for 3 days, but I haven't found something as good and for free yet.
Next to that, I can't think of anything I missed yet. Even eBuddy managed to easily fulfill my needs of MSN/WLM. Even with offline messaging.

There are two things i don't like about android:
First, there isn't only one good videoplayer(ffmpeg is a must have!) EDIT: Rockplayer is a nice start, but the fps is ~100% lower than the ones i get with coreplayer
And i havent found something like Audiobooster.
Try both and take the OS which you prefer

Android Cons:
None
Windows Mobile Cons (based on my experience with 6.1 Buisness):
Too hard to install games and apps
Not enough games and apps
Not user friendly
Too slow response

Android pros:
huge application
Google serious to maintain the android development
Android Cons:
No Wifi proxy support
hard to copy paste beetwen app
Winmobile cons:
too late microsoft your windows mobile is dying. your development team is slow
Old win 6.5 kernel..
windows phone 7 is too late to release...your market app is not working...
all developer moving to another platform
No multitasking support for windows 7...thats shame

Search for rockbase player for videos. Funambol or mybackup pro for closest to myphone off the top of my head.
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there's a lot of things to look at but the best way to choose is this.
if you are running an app and it has issues or require a bit of memory, window will lock up and then you have to reset the phone.
with android you'll get a force close notification which you just ok it and keep using it with out having to reset.

Android FTW
Android:
Fast
User friendly
great multitasking
many apps and great games
works better on slow phones
user driven market
WM:
horrible performance, only WM phone with good performance is the hd2
bad multitasking, but happily arkswitch makes it easier
almost no 3d games, marketplace is not worth a ****

OK, As a windows Fanboy turned android here is the main thing Windows does better than android: Multimedia!!
Android is still new to the game and in my opinion hasn't really got a good video and music player. There are some ones that can pass but compared to Windows and iphone they are not that great. On the flip side I plan on developing my own music player which counts for the openness of android. WinMo is arguably just as open BUT with them going a different direction with WM7 I had to jump ship. As for Androids advantages......everything else is just as good if not better than windows (except how they manage the SD card)

Well, the few minutes I've spent with the windows platform already makes me hate it. Whoever did the software for the HD2 is totally retarded. I couldn't even get myself out of whatever app happened to come on last night and I was about ready to throw this big piece of $hit out the window.
I now know what Froyo is and if I'm not mistaken, it'll have a wifi proxy which I guess it to be is that it acts like a hot spot which should put a damper on some of the greedy phone companies (IF it is released on their phones) like ATT who charges you another 30 bucks extra for connecting to your laptop.
That to me is bull**** and greed and IS costing them customers.
Verizon is better with that but I hate their support AND I think their coverage in my area is worse. The support is TOTALLY useless and I left them once because of it and I will AGAIN leave them I think and yes, mainly because of it.
I'll try the t mobile service out for a week or so and if the coverage is good, I'll return this locked piece of $hit and get me one of the unlocked phones from NEgri Electronics. If anyone hasn't heard of them yet (which kinda would surprise me) here they are...
I mean, seriously, in order NOT to pay the full price at t mobile, I have to sign up for two years AND the phone is locked which means I can't use proggies like this one which I NEED! http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-pbxes-fontsize-BiEA.aspx
For a buck fitty (not fifty, fitty, like fitty cents) I can get this proggy which could fix my problem but I can't do it on a locked phone. Well, they can ki$$ my ass then with all the restrictions. I'll get this one for example http://negrielectronics.com/touch-smartphone-unlocked-tmobile-2747.html , get me a monthly account instead and I can put anything I want on it. Now how the hell can I go wrong with that, AND, they're easier to sell should you want to get rid of them.
Put some of this stuff on it and some silicone case on it and you can sell it years later looking brand new which is what I did with my iPhone.
I'm going to wait for a week or so and decide if I like tmobile and if I do, I'll tell verizon where they can stick their phone.
Would you believe I had to make THREE attempts to get them to port my att number over and meanwhile, I'm paying ATT for the account. I even called and talked to VERIZON people to make sure it got done right and in BOTH cases, they screwed it up. I finally got it done the right IN The store, a WEEK after!
After all this crap AND a busted phone that was only two weeks old, I tried to get a free charging cable from one of the store manager, NOT a charger or the ac adapter thingie, just the stinkin' cable and he wouldn't even give me that. Now that is tacky and petty. Oh, the reason I wanted another cable was so I could keep one in the car cause that piece of $hit pre wouldn't hold a charge over 5-6 hours and let's not talk about TALKING time. This was a LITTLE talking and lots of stand by.
What a damn joke.
I like the pre platform and concept in general and I have several PDA's that are PALM but the PRE phone, they kinda dropped the ball on a little.
No on screen keyboard (now how hard is that to figure out), the actual keyboard should have been horizontal for size and the damn thing is a gas guzzler, AND, I don't see an option to keep the damn notifications from coming up and crowding your screen when you turn it on. Also, it's slow as $hit from when you click that you want the keypad till it finally opens up.
NO Predictive dialing and you can't get the beautiful HUGE clock to stay on top that I know of. Again, how hard is that to figure out? Does this take so long to program into the software? I mean, they almost went belly up. You'd think they had the TIME and STAFF to do things right. Sheesh!
Anyway, enough bitc*in'
George

guiri_too said:
Again, how hard is that to figure out? Does this take so long to program into the software? I mean, they almost went belly up. You'd think they had the TIME and STAFF to do things right. Sheesh!
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That's not how business works. Any phone advertised on TV (like the Pre) is designed for general consumers (people who don't care about the things you're talking about). It would be a terrible business decision to spend more time and money incorporating things that 99% of their target market don't care about or don't even know they're missing. If you're posting on XDA you're probably a lot more tech savvy than the average consumer, thus phones marketed towards the average consumer won't have 100% of the features you request. I always like to buy phones that are rarer and not advertised, mainly because I like having stuff that other people don't have, but also because they usually end up being a cut above the rest of the phones on the market.

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If I were you guiri_too, and can afford it, I'd order the Nexus One unlocked and as soon as it arrives, root the thing, put Froyo on it (if I could find it) and take that winblows phone back to T-Mobile. I can't believe they gave you that after asking for an Android phone. That has to be one of the dumbest salesmen ever! Or if you want to stay with T-Mobile and happen to like Sense (Espresso Sense), pick up the the MyTouch Slide. It has a keyboard, MS Exchange support and is pretty snappy to boot (speaking of boot, it only takes about a minute from hitting the power button to making a call). If you need a more business-like phone, I would suggest the Sprint Evo 4G. It's the same size as the HD2, 4.3", but it's Android. The UI looks like the HD2 as well (Sense), but it's a lot quicker and more stable. A friend of mine picked this up after having the Sprint Hero, which he got after the TouchPro (winmo) and couldn't be happier.
As far as the original question, I can only give you an anecdote; when I got my G1, my wife had a Wing which she hated. After a few months of watching me play with my phone all the time, and her Wing being replaced twice, she bought hers and was instantly hooked. We have been android fans ever since. So the advantages of Android for me are awesome stability, openness and apps, of which you don't have to use the market for (unless you get an ATT android).

Let me try to address the replies in one window.
First as for being tech savvy, yeah, I guess I am and I've been around long enough to be picky, HOWEVER, my BASIC needs are a phone I can HEAR and SEE. How come Nextel have speakers that you can hear clear across the next state and this thing I got, the HD2 I can barely hear with the fans in the car running despite them telling me it was really loud...?
Sure, I want a lot of stuff but if you read through all my info, you'll see that some of the things i don't really care about like social networking, streaming video, mp3 player and much more. LARGE FONT! How the hell hard is that to figure out? I mean, for those here who program and considering it's even in very simple programs. IS IT THAT hard to have an option of making the font bigger?
To Heybob. Bob, the problem is that I can't try and see these phones live so to speak. ALL the phones at tmobile are dummies or at least the ones I'm interested in.
Second, to be quite honest and when I think about it, I am not sure if she did mention this one was windows but I DID tell her I prefered android. In any case, NOT knowing what GSM is or if tmobile was GSM is not something I can let slide, ESPECIALLY considering she was the manager...
Now, so far, my tmobile coverage has seemed good. Yes, the phone as in the UI is still totally retarded so the windows OS has got to go. More than likely when I return this, if I still like tmobile then, I'll get a phone from Negri that's unlocked and if I'm not mistaken, he HAS Froyo phones in stock. Hold, gonna call and check..yep, he's got Nexus One with Froyo ready to ship.
Tell'em George with the long wish list sent ya if you buy one. Not that I think I'll get any referrals but hey, it never hurts when it comes time to bug them about finding me the right phone.
Anyway, back to the phones. I do NOT like this windows UI so that one is out. I like that I have found a site with something like 80,000+ apps all in one place and although I'm not stingy, when you're TRYING apps and don't know if you'll like them or not, it helps if they're cheap or free. I got something on hte Pre I didn't like but hell ,I wasn't about to ask for a $1.50 refund.
Many of the windows apps were $15 or around there. I'm not paying it if I can't get a refund if I don't like the software and I AM picky with software too.
By the way, is there someone here that has a rooted android phone that wouldn't mind putting this font proggy on there (hell, I'll be happy to pay for it at only 2 bucks or something) and show me the different font size options? http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-pbxes-fontsize-BiEA.aspx
I WAS going to do that but as you know, I didn't get a droid phone
I showed this dude on the androlib forum this proggy. He gets it, his wife likes it (he got it for her) and now he's too busy to show me some screen captures. Thanks a lot
George

I've owned 4 different winmo phones and I can say that android leaves those respond FOOLS in the dust.
Android is more compatible with exchange server than windows mobile solution or blackberry.
Work gets done faster and I smile a lot more now.
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Well, I just took a few pictures of the HD2 to show people what I'm facing to illustrate it a little better.
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Should I Keep Waiting?

To get a HTC Arrive? I've been using well first Windows Mobile Phone's for about 3 or so years now, first was with an HTC Mogul, then a Samsung SCH-i770/Robin and now finally a HTC Touch Pro2 .
I'm happy with the TP2, got my mem maxed out to a 32Gb microSD card, love Sense and the ability to run Android 2.2.3 on my phone as well as WinMo 6.5, but I just hate damn Windows Mobile and how it'll crash sometimes and what not from whatever causing you to do a hard reset...
Only things holding me back from a HTC Arrive is THOSE DAMN UGLY TILES(I'd love to change that whole homescreen and get rid of the tiles, if only HTC Hubs were more updated and in sync with all the tiles, like how Sense was... WTF Those out Sense or toss it over to Android "The Competitor"?) and the locked in 16Gb storage/microSD (Any hardware mod to remove the 16Gb and add your own?)...
Thats really all thats keeping me from it so far, even though I am tempted.
So my 4 main concerns are:
1- Different UI Rather than default Tiles, or a way to implement HTC Hubs to the Homescreen, instead of Tiles
2- XDAndroid Possibility
3- Default Storage Card Hack/Mod to exchange it with my 32Gb
4- Possibility of using it on Boost (preferred) or flashing to metroPCS

I wasn't sure if I was going to like the tiles at first, but I must say the whole "glance and go" attitude that Microsoft is pushing with this is really one of the features I like most about the phone. If you pin a live tile to the home page, it shows all of the information you really need to know in a single panel. I almost never launch an app unless there is something relevant to go do.
I have 8 e-mail accounts set up on my home screen (various work and personal accounts) and I only have to go into e-mail when I get a new one. I have the Weather Channel app, but I never launch it because the live tile shows the current temperature and an icon representing the forecast (cloudy, sunny, etc.). Text message counts, missed call counts, next appointment, etc. All of them are available at a quick glance without ever launching an app.....

n1nj4Lo said:
To get a HTC Arrive? I've been using well first Windows Mobile Phone's for about 3 or so years now, first was with an HTC Mogul, then a Samsung SCH-i770/Robin and now finally a HTC Touch Pro2 .
I'm happy with the TP2, got my mem maxed out to a 32Gb microSD card, love Sense and the ability to run Android 2.2.3 on my phone as well as WinMo 6.5, but I just hate damn Windows Mobile and how it'll crash sometimes and what not from whatever causing you to do a hard reset...
Only things holding me back from a HTC Arrive is THOSE DAMN UGLY TILES(I'd love to change that whole homescreen and get rid of the tiles, if only HTC Hubs were more updated and in sync with all the tiles, like how Sense was... WTF Those out Sense or toss it over to Android "The Competitor"?) and the locked in 16Gb storage/microSD (Any hardware mod to remove the 16Gb and add your own?)...
Thats really all thats keeping me from it so far, even though I am tempted.
So my 4 main concerns are:
1- Different UI Rather than default Tiles, or a way to implement HTC Hubs to the Homescreen, instead of Tiles
2- XDAndroid Possibility
3- Default Storage Card Hack/Mod to exchange it with my 32Gb
4- Possibility of using it on Boost (preferred) or flashing to metroPCS
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1- I dont think we'll see any changes to the UI til maybe after nokia if at all
2- Android won't be possible til haret is updated which will probably take years
3- It is possible there's a thread about it.
4- I have sprint so I'm no help here

Well funny thing is now suddenly my phone will pickup phone calls right away if I answer with my bluetooth headset and leave the slider alone... WTF?
Also I won a 4500mAh Mugen Power battery for 50 bucks, so I'm gunna continue using it for awhile to come possibly... Next up on my purchase list is bluetooth stereo headset (Left and Right ears) then I'll be done, luckly microcenter by me has them for 35 to 50 bucks.
I might continue waiting until the stuff I want has happened, by then maybe there'll be a Arrive 2 or some junk. haha!

as I said on PPCG there really is no point whatsoever to run android on the arrive,the mango beta is far superior to it. so refusing to get it u are missing out on a top notch user experience.

eric12341 said:
as I said on PPCG there really is no point whatsoever to run android on the arrive,the mango beta is far superior to it. so refusing to get it u are missing out on a top notch user experience.
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And by getting I'd be forced to have to use metroPCS, which I will-not do EVER again. I talked to a Boost flasher and he said not going to happen, it's too new right now to be done... So no thanks to reliving the past right now and dropping my 35 dollar unlimited everything bill in trade for a 60 dollar bill at metroPCS. Or being able to dualboot, I'll just keep waiting. Sure ya say android is better but I'll still say WP7 > iPhone at it as well... Only difference is the squares scroll up and down, instead of left or right. Thanks though, but I guess there's no point to it right now WP7 is still just a wee infant right now and has yet to grow up to what I expect it to be.

n1nj4Lo said:
And by getting I'd be forced to have to use metroPCS, which I will-not do EVER again. I talked to a Boost flasher and he said not going to happen, it's too new right now to be done... So no thanks to reliving the past right now and dropping my 35 dollar unlimited everything bill in trade for a 60 dollar bill at metroPCS. Or being able to dualboot, I'll just keep waiting. Sure ya say android is better but I'll still say WP7 > iPhone at it as well... Only difference is the squares scroll up and down, instead of left or right. Thanks though, but I guess there's no point to it right now WP7 is still just a wee infant right now and has yet to grow up to what I expect it to be.
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sprint phones didn't need to be flashed for boost. and yea I guess u just dont get it.

eric12341 said:
sprint phones didn't need to be flashed for boost. and yea I guess u just dont get it.
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BUT The settings do, they need to be changed to myboostmobile url

n1nj4Lo said:
BUT The settings do, they need to be changed to myboostmobile url
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those are done remotely and that's still doesn't mean u should bash wp7

eric12341 said:
those are done remotely and that's still doesn't mean u should bash wp7
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50's repeating themselves again? It's not cool to be square! LoL J/K'ing! But the only reason I knock WP7 is cause they took a step backwards IMO, now they truly are another iPhone... All they need to next is released all kinds of MP3 player portable speakers and accessories then maybe for once they might beat apple.
But I'm sorry, I hate iPhone and now suddenly what has Mircosoft done? Well we already know and haha! Best Buy, Radio Shack and so on hasn't carried and stopped selling WP7's around here. Microsoft needs to take the hint and antie up, big time! No not with a fruity name either. I mean UI wise. Make a lot more less like iPhone and they might get back to being how popular WinMo phones were and fast as they're selling.

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And by getting I'd be forced to have to use metroPCS, which I will-not do EVER again. I talked to a Boost flasher and he said not going to happen, it's too new right now to be done... So no thanks to reliving the past right now and dropping my 35 dollar unlimited everything bill in trade for a 60 dollar bill at metroPCS.
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I don't get it. If you're paying 35 dollar's now on Sprint why would you switch to metroPCS or boost?

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I don't get it. If you're paying 35 dollar's now on Sprint why would you switch to metroPCS or boost?
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Boost, Virgin and Nextel are all Owned by Sprint... LoL! Duh. haha! Why pay 65 for unlimited everything when I can pay 35 for the same package, phone calls, data and text. I'm saving 30 bucks and getting the same coverage and no hidden fees at all. That's why. Also no I'm paying that much on Boost. Not Sprint. How'd you get that backwords?

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50's repeating themselves again? It's not cool to be square! LoL J/K'ing! But the only reason I knock WP7 is cause they took a step backwards IMO, now they truly are another iPhone... All they need to next is released all kinds of MP3 player portable speakers and accessories then maybe for once they might beat apple.
But I'm sorry, I hate iPhone and now suddenly what has Mircosoft done? Well we already know and haha! Best Buy, Radio Shack and so on hasn't carried and stopped selling WP7's around here. Microsoft needs to take the hint and antie up, big time! No not with a fruity name either. I mean UI wise. Make a lot more less like iPhone and they might get back to being how popular WinMo phones were and fast as they're selling.
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oh wow. and is this why wp7 is predicted to overtake both iOS and Android by 2013 and 2015 respectively? and where is evidence that best buy and radio shack have stopped selling wp7? that was only because of the ignorant android or iPhone fanboy salespeople steering people away from it. wp7 as of the mango update has alot of functionality without the need to launch an app which makes both android and iOS seem like app launchers so get your facts straight desgraciado!

WP7 is not iPhone, but it is a step away from the Mobile PC design of Windows Mobile. I was a true WM user since my X50v in 04, then a 6700 Phone, 6800 (Mogul), TP, then the Touch Pro 2. Love them but the hardware is what killed WM off since the HD2 was one of the only and last device that finally gave WM6.5 the speed it needed. Either way WM was great for tweaking, but it had the problem of having to be tweeked to get everything working and was never quite 100%. Something either didnt quite work correctly, worked but slowly, crashed, it was always something. I had an EVO 4G for a month and while Android feels faster and more fluid, it also had the feeling that it needed outside apps to do stuff that the main OS should have had itself as well as still having that not quite polished feel. It is definitly the new WM in terms of customizability, but it has the problem WM had with stuff working better on one device/os version and not with another.
Now WP7, while it does have a growing period still and untill the WM market dries up and the market share stops falling because of it, it looks dim, but once I switched to my Arrive, I could not possibly go back to the TP2. The speed, smoothness, effortlessness of using all parts of the device, and the fact that even though it doesn't do quite everything that WM6.5 did (tethering is the main thing I miss for now), everything it does do, it does fantastically. It works, doesnt crash, doesnt hang, doesnt slow down, it just flies. And like others have said, the Mango Beta adds a ton of useability tweeks to make it not only easier than it already is to use, but a ton of new features all intigrated into the main OS instead of relying on outside Apps to do said task. It is fantastic and as a phone to "Live With" each day, it blows any other phone/os out of the water. Once Mango and a whole new line of devices drops this fall I think the WP7 market will finally gain some traction. It is a long haul process for sure, but the market predictions for 2015 and such are not as far fledged as some Android/iOS fanbois may think.

You want proof give me a day or two, and I'll either try to record a interview with best buy, radio shack and wal-mart even since they're still selling them... If they wont let me do it then I'll do it discreetly with the camera on with out them knowing about it! LoL
[email protected] Wendy's on lunch break then off to ITT-Tech when I get off at 6, no time to do it today-

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Boost, Virgin and Nextel are all Owned by Sprint... LoL! Duh. haha! Why pay 65 for unlimited everything when I can pay 35 for the same package, phone calls, data and text. I'm saving 30 bucks and getting the same coverage and no hidden fees at all. That's why. Also no I'm paying that much on Boost. Not Sprint. How'd you get that backwords?
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Oh ok, gotcha. I thought you were on a Sprint SERO plan or something.

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You want proof give me a day or two, and I'll either try to record a interview with best buy, radio shack and wal-mart even since they're still selling them... If they wont let me do it then I'll do it discreetly with the camera on with out them knowing about it! LoL
[email protected] Wendy's on lunch break then off to ITT-Tech when I get off at 6, no time to do it today-
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salespeople aren't a reputable source as many are biased towards and/or uneducated about wp7 this has been WELL DOCUMENTED on alot of sites so you would only be proving me point on that front. the HTC arrive has at least a 4.5 rating across all the sites its sold on and the Samsung focus was rated higher than the iPhone 4 in a survey.
so provide your ridiculous evidence then I'll provide mine.

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WP7 is not iPhone, but it is a step away from the Mobile PC design of Windows Mobile. I was a true WM user since my X50v in 04, then a 6700 Phone, 6800 (Mogul), TP, then the Touch Pro 2. Love them but the hardware is what killed WM off since the HD2 was one of the only and last device that finally gave WM6.5 the speed it needed. Either way WM was great for tweaking, but it had the problem of having to be tweeked to get everything working and was never quite 100%. Something either didnt quite work correctly, worked but slowly, crashed, it was always something. I had an EVO 4G for a month and while Android feels faster and more fluid, it also had the feeling that it needed outside apps to do stuff that the main OS should have had itself as well as still having that not quite polished feel. It is definitly the new WM in terms of customizability, but it has the problem WM had with stuff working better on one device/os version and not with another.
Now WP7, while it does have a growing period still and untill the WM market dries up and the market share stops falling because of it, it looks dim, but once I switched to my Arrive, I could not possibly go back to the TP2. The speed, smoothness, effortlessness of using all parts of the device, and the fact that even though it doesn't do quite everything that WM6.5 did (tethering is the main thing I miss for now), everything it does do, it does fantastically. It works, doesnt crash, doesnt hang, doesnt slow down, it just flies. And like others have said, the Mango Beta adds a ton of useability tweeks to make it not only easier than it already is to use, but a ton of new features all intigrated into the main OS instead of relying on outside Apps to do said task. It is fantastic and as a phone to "Live With" each day, it blows any other phone/os out of the water. Once Mango and a whole new line of devices drops this fall I think the WP7 market will finally gain some traction. It is a long haul process for sure, but the market predictions for 2015 and such are not as far fledged as some Android/iOS fanbois may think.
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Best Opinion I've heard in quite awhile. Definitely sums it up for me as well

Tired of the htc thunderbolt I want to switch to another phone.

can someone please give me some good reason not to switch to an iphone 4

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can someone please give me some good reason not to switch to an iphone 4
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Inappropriate thread.

Because the iPhone is GAY
Luke

I agree with the Loon .
Q & A section really is for operating the phone or solving problems with it.
This is more a little Chit Chat for General so I'm moving it.
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Because the iPhone is GAY
Luke
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And if this thread get's only non constructive jokes, I will also need to close it.
(No this is not an invite to make non constructive jokes to get this thread closed)

im sorry im new so i didnt know that thank you for moving it and i didnt mean to upset anyone its just that my htc thunderbolt has been giving me problems and i was wondering if anyone had good reasons that would make me not switch to the iphone

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im sorry im new so i didnt know that thank you for moving it and i didnt mean to upset anyone its just that my htc thunderbolt has been giving me problems and i was wondering if anyone had good reasons that would make me not switch to the iphone
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Who cares. switch if you want...or don't. If you aren't computer inclined to tinker with stuff and want something that sort of works for what the average person wants in a phone, then switch. However, most people won't admit it, but by the time they ask someone else for advice, they already made up their mind. They just want someone to agree with them that they are right. Only reason I would ever want a fruit based device is if I plan on porting something I develop for Android to it for testing. Would I use it outside of development? No way. However I don't care what platform it is when it comes to selling something (except the amazon app store, won't even put something on there).

well, if your an apple kiddie, why'd you drift away in the first place? you need to look deep into your soul and question your loyalty to apple.
that and seeing as how ios and android are completely different, it's like saying "should I get a girlfriend or a boyfriend?"

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well, if your an apple kiddie, why'd you drift away in the first place? you need to look deep into your soul and question your loyalty to apple.
that and seeing as how ios and android are completely different, it's like saying "should I get a girlfriend or a boyfriend?"
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well the reason i got the htc thunderbolt was because of the 4g and how android was customizable but ive had the phone for 8 months now and the 4g drains the battery so much and ive never had an iphone my first phone was the motorola cliq so im not an apple kiddie

I just recently switched from carrier.
I was on T-Mobile and now am on Vodafone.
I now have HSDPA+ and that does indeed suck more battery then the HSDPA from T-mobile i had before.
Myself I can live with having my device with the data being turned off.
I'm not that hooked on being informed 24/7 about everything.
So that saves me more juice, so I can listen to more Music over Bluetooth.
I've never used an iPhone on a day to day basis so i really have no idea how that handles battery on a good 4G network.
But iPhone is over the hill and it now has good competition of great new and sexy devices.
Maybe Nokia makes a good come back with good battery time, but there's more out there then just the iPhone as an alternative.
Also there could always be something to tweak, from updating your phone's radio to a better suited version (not necessarily the newest).
Or Checking if there's applications getting stuck in sync or keeping your device from deep sleep to managing your syncing schedules.
Keep it clean guys, be Cool like me

Galaxy Nexus when it comes out, gonna be a hot phone.

well i rooted my phone and i dont like how my phone wont work with so much stuff,and i changed the radio to a battery conserving one and i see no difference and im also tired of sense and im waiting for a port of ics for the htc thunderbolt

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I just recently switched from carrier.
I was on T-Mobile and now am on Vodafone.
I now have HSDPA+ and that does indeed suck more battery then the HSDPA from T-mobile i had before.
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Yeah, I think any connection upgrade for data on a phone does that from observation. It did when carriers were going from 2g to 3g as well. It'll get better over time as phones improve I am sure. One generally doesnt need 20-30+Mbps anyways to view a web page so toggling works okay for me.

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can someone please give me some good reason not to switch to an iphone 4
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For me, the biggest reason is that Android is an open infrastructure.
Instead of the choice of a single phone (choice of iPhones only because the generations overlap), I can choose from many. Instead of only apps vetted by a manufacturer at there own whims, there are multiple sources available. Not even a need for an app store. Apps I buy can be carried to other/different phones. The competition between manufacturers means more choices - if you want a hard keyboard, you can have that. Want HDMI out? Available. Want removable memory? Yep. Replaceable battery for extended time away from power? Got it. Ruggedized phone? It's out there.
Some people don't want to get involved with technological decisions - 1.5 GHz? Dual core?, etc. The iPhone is great for them - just buy the latest one.

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For me, the biggest reason is that Android is an open infrastructure.
Instead of the choice of a single phone (choice of iPhones only because the generations overlap), I can choose from many. Instead of only apps vetted by a manufacturer at there own whims, there are multiple sources available. Not even a need for an app store. Apps I buy can be carried to other/different phones. The competition between manufacturers means more choices - if you want a hard keyboard, you can have that. Want HDMI out? Available. Want removable memory? Yep. Replaceable battery for extended time away from power? Got it. Ruggedized phone? It's out there.
Some people don't want to get involved with technological decisions - 1.5 GHz? Dual core?, etc. The iPhone is great for them - just buy the latest one.
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thank you, you are the first person to actually help me and i like android its just im tired of getting a new phone and having a better one come out a week later

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well i rooted my phone and i dont like how my phone wont work with so much stuff,and i changed the radio to a battery conserving one and i see no difference and im also tired of sense and im waiting for a port of ics for the htc thunderbolt
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Can you elaborate on "phone wont work with so much stuff", you have more access to what you can do when the phone is rooted. Are you meaning the vzw apps?
My suggestion, install CM7, if you still want a new phone after using that wait for the galaxy nexus.
Since verizon started carrying the iphone 4 back in feb, I just this past week sold 2 iphones for the first time.
Most people only want the phone because "my <insert person> has it". The fact that 4g is faster, battery is built in to iphone, you can not add more storage, you have to deal with apple primarily (closest store here is 1hr away), no adobe flash, etc.
Everyone (minus 2) I've sold a phone to since that phone launched goes for android, I allow them to make their educated decision based upon the facts, the two I sold were to apple fanboys who had to have Siri.

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thank you, you are the first person to actually help me and i like android its just im tired of getting a new phone and having a better one come out a week later
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that's just how technology is. wether you get a car, computer, phone, etc.. new stuff is always around the corner.
with android as you mentioned, since it is open and different manufacturers are constantly releasing new phones it can be a bit overwhelming. whereas apple has their stuff on lockdown and since it's just them releasing things you don't see new stuff as often.
that doesn't mean however that whatever you have currently is crap just because something newer came out. for instance, even the Thunderbolt... its not the latest & greatest but it still holds up fine. and yes, the battery issue is with all 4G-LTE phones.
to sum thimgs up though;
Android = much more support(3rd party, development, etc), more customizable interface
iOS = incredibly simplistic, no 4G support period
I have an ipod touch that I connect in my car & use just for music. I hate itunes with a passion though and wish I could just copy/paste tracks instead of "sync". The only reason I use it instead of another mp3 device is because when it's connected to the stereo it gives better sound output then anything else... and when you spend $2,500 on your sound system, that matters big time. I could never see myself owning an iphone though.

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I have an ipod touch that I connect in my car & use just for music. I hate itunes with a passion though and wish I could just copy/paste tracks instead of "sync". The only reason I use it instead of another mp3 device is because when it's connected to the stereo it gives better sound output then anything else... and when you spend $2,500 on your sound system, that matters big time. I could never see myself owning an iphone though.
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Used to be able to do that until Apple locked out any chance of third party firmware development past the ipod video and 2g nano, so no more rockbox/ipod linux.

ok thats true i guess ill stay with my htc thunderbolt and just go out an buy a extended battery

just a side not,if you set the iphone to use the data aame as you set the thunderbolt guess what, your battery life sux just as bad,i get 6hours of heavy use,daughters iphone(she is a junkie like me)gets 6hours heavy use(oh boy)medium use goes to 10/12 hours so you see its not tgat different plus my screen is bigger
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and furthermore, I'll have you know that I have the 2750mAh battery for the TB and with "heavy use" I go through that in about 4 - 5 hours.
before you say anything though, on my ipod touch, I can also blow through that battery in 4 - 5 hours aswell.
I guess it just depends on how 'intense' your usage is.