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[Q] Touch Pro landscape redraw issue?

Hmm.. I'm the only one who found a weird issue in landscape mode while dragging?
I've recorded a video. Both in landscape and portrait mode. Portrait mode is ok..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_fbUfVRZg
(see right upper corner)
First I was thinking that's a Opera fault.
I've tried 3 different ROMs, 2 Opera versions.
I've encounter this in all browsers, Google Maps...

... If none replied, I conclude that's just mine .
I've got something similar as in older pocketPCs (I don't know how to call this, diagonal sync bug?!). Comparison with HTC Himalaya scrolling in Internet Explorer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nK4XcsBjo
(chose "watch in normal quality")
Later edit: it seems that's a general issue?! because I've got 3 more confirmations (1 from a TP user and 2 from diamond users). And nobody talks about it...

Come on.. really nobody feels this redraw issue?
This delay does not appear just on dragging. It appears also on menu popups and it's not limited to that.
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwCKeiQiZEk

You are not alone. I have the same redraw issue. I have already reported it to HTC Support. But they do not answer my requests. I have already issued four service requests, but no answer so far.

I will report it later, still colecting information. More users (on other forum) have this issue. I think they didn't even observed it till I posted those videos.
For example, Samsung Omnia doesn't have this issue. So i guess it's a driver issue..

I have a few issues with this.
1. Opera sometimes takes ages to redraw (showing the white and grey chequered background in between)
2. When it isn't doing this, the page often tears in diagonals
3. If I have MP3's playing on TCPMP, the music jerks or stops completely whilst I scroll in Opera. It's fine again once I stop scrolling though

Also happens on Diamond
You're definitely not alone, I've got the exact same behavior when using Opera in landscape mode.
It has persisted through several different radio, rom, and opera versions. Unfortunately I didn't really notice it before I HardSPL'd and loaded my first rom, so I can't say if the original OEM setup did it as well.
Honestly I'd be more surprised if someone came forward and said that theirs DIDN'T do it.

just picked up my fuze
it does it

Thank you guys for replies!
Just test http://clickgamer.com/download.htm?pvid=15358 (fre trial) and you'll see how smooth are all the stuffs NOT.
Laso, there are games suffering from "music gap" (call of duty, obulis tse... haven't tried so many games). All graphics suffer of lag or bad refresh/redraw.
So, it may be:
- sh*ty crappy qualcomm chipsets
OR
- bad drivers
It seems that history repeats (see htc tytn ii graphics related issue).
What to do?
- Contact HTC.. tell them about this... and if they do not care, then http://www.htcclassaction.org/ should add new devices in the "portofolio".
Lags here, lags there, lags everywhere (gps lag, system lag aka poor performance when playing music, graphics lag, bla bla..)

DSF said:
Later edit: it seems that's a general issue?! because I've got 3 more confirmations (1 from a TP user and 2 from diamond users). And nobody talks about it...
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I think it still breaks down to some video driver problem where it's not respecting the vertical blank interval somehow when redrawing the screen. This means you end up seeing the previous and next, and next and next, picture being drawn at the same time. It happens on the Kaiser too.

i've also noticed the problem. I'm glad you brought up this thread cuz I was starting to get worried. Has any of you gone back to the store and checked if any new ones still do this?
just came back from exchanging my fuze. the new one also has the same problem. looks like it's a universal problem. most likely due to driver. hope this help.

Thank you guys for the feedback. At first I was thinking that I've got a defective unit.. but now it's more clearer to me (& others in the same situation), here we got a general issue. HTC TyTN II has this issue too. Samsung Omnia doesn't have it. I really cannot understand htc after ..
Strange that people in general don't talk/care about this issue. Before buying the TP i've read/watch some reviews and none of the authors said anything about this. They just praise touch pro
I wish that HTc actually work and fix this.. i really whish.. I've send an e-mail - no response yet. You should try too..

I'm using the sprint touch pro and i have this problem too. I did infact notice it, but i just didn't think it was that big of an issue... if its affecting other programs than it is a big problem than.
Foolish of me to think htc got their drivers working on this thing... i also think the video acceleration is terrible

Ok soon after you raised the issue I tested and couldn't reproduce it with my factory (3 - Australia) rom.
As soon as I updated it to RomeOS and used Opera I got the drag issue. I am not sure if its to do with the Opera provided in the RomeOS rom or the rom itself.

Try landscape in other programs. Also try the Samsung Omnia drivers (which do work with TP). I don't have a TP as yet.

I also noticed this little issue. But haven't really looked into it as of yet. Anyone tried converting dvd movies to fit on your fuze and see if it happens ? I am gonna try that.

Wow...I' was going crazy with the same issue!!!
Tryied:
-HardSPL: Olinex 1.37/1.93 and Jocky 1.24
-Radio: .05/.07/.08
-Rom: Panosha 1.9/shimple0.8, Dutty 2/3.1 SwiftBL 7.5, Swtos Vanilla1.0/1.1/1.5/, Wildberry.....
Always the same matter...
I was beginning to think that the real problem is relate to an hardware fault...and finally, today, I've found this thread...so:
NO WAYS TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE?!
I think it's really ugly to see our screen like a church fractal glass...
PS: I've got a Diamond.

No solution yet! .
@intothevoid movies aren't affected by this annoying redraw issue. you got poor results if you try to play movies at full resolution DIVX/XVID...*, but that's another thingy..
*for better results you can try coreplayer 1.2.5 with Qtv and Middle quality (on High it lags). However, even on middle quality, on action scenes, you will get some dropped frames.
@nuke1 tried that. ATI driver too. But that's for D3D, so, useless..
@fawaad this was and is present also on the oficial rom and every ROM I've tried.

Anyohow, from what I've understood, you exclude the chance of an hardware issue...right?

This sounds and looks to me like a simple Sync to VBlank issue (i.e. video is updating at 60 hz and lcd is updating at 59.97 hz, and syncing is not occuring so you see this 'tearing')
If that is the case, it's gonna require a driver update from HTC.. Anyone with a tilt knows how quick HTC is to hand drivers out..
Samsung Omnia doesn't suffer from this because they are accelerating more functions in their 2d drivers. HTC seems to use the equivilant of Windows 95/98/XP/Vista's default VGA video card driver (which if you've ever used it, does not accelerate anything but the most basic functions, and performs similarly)

Best calender/task manager

hey, i like touchflo,, i guess. probably cuz im a little too nervous and inexperienced to start seriously messing around with my phone, but i do hate how the calender on touchflo works. I cant see specific says without clicking on them, and the whole thing just seems a little elementary.
is there anything you can suggest that will work with touch flo, and required just a simply installation, because im not quite sure what most of the tech abbreviations mean, and how to manually configure settings.
So from your experience, what is the most intuitive program.
would it also be too much to ask to see some screenshots of the programs.
thanks a lot....consider it my christmas present

just a side note,
if you have a program on the phone, and then update the framework, must you reinstall the initial program...the reason i ask is , i have a program to prevent the screen from being responsive when i call came in, but after a few updates, ie. framework and advance config, the screen blocker program isnt working
any suggestion?

i believe there is already a post about this and to the best of my knowledge the answer to your second question is no

SBSH Touch Calendar looks awesome. I haven't tried it yet as it costs $25 but I'm thinking about buying it. Give it a shot and post up here!
http://forums.sbsh.net/index.php?showtopic=23420
Also there is a 12-day trial.

systoxity said:
i believe there is already a post about this and to the best of my knowledge the answer to your second question is no
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hey, sorry for the repost, but ive been searching, and really havent been able to find what im looking for. It may just be that i dont know if the mentioned programs im looking for are compatible with the touch pro. Im not looking to mod my task bar, or anything concerning manilla files. Just a program that allows me to see into the future a little better. is this spd diary program compatible with touch pro and free?
thanks for putting up with me

Try thumbcal, i's great. Version 0,5 is free after that it gets a little better but it's not free anymore, 12

Have a look here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381588
This solved my problem - if this is installed, you switch the screen off, then on again - all appointments as well as current date/time is displayed.

Ive used Thumbcal and only just installed the SBSH touch cal, have to admit looks and operates great. So much more features and ability to manage apts etc. First impressions i think its alot more comprehensive then Thumbcal, but just my opinion.

Rosie tutorials

I kinda looked, but I couldn't find any mention of this. I am running Hero beta4 and just happen to run the tutorial. What do you know, its the Rosie UI, exactly as it appears in all those youtube videos. Except its running on my phone. I kind of thought the person in the youtube video was running Rosie.....it appears that all they were doing is running the tutorial off the Hero build.

It was stated by Haykuro that the videos were just the tutorial. He was trying to make them work for us before all the crap happened.

I installed then unistalled the herob4 build, the facebook stuff crashed and no UI and my ethics were eating away at my soul/ lol not really, kinda...idk...did xdan aplogize? i know the fake roger rom guy won't....does xda have an IRC? it should have a built in jave one...i'm gunna go find out

pinetreehater said:
I kinda looked, but I couldn't find any mention of this. I am running Hero beta4 and just happen to run the tutorial. What do you know, its the Rosie UI, exactly as it appears in all those youtube videos. Except its running on my phone. I kind of thought the person in the youtube video was running Rosie.....it appears that all they were doing is running the tutorial off the Hero build.
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haykuro has video up of him actually running rosie on his g1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRX5N5bte68

Myself, I kind of like the Hero build. I really really like the browser. I think a simple tap in-tap out approach to surfing works best. Some consider the lack of the zoom controls a flaw; I consider it a blessing.
Initially, there were many force closes, but after many reboots, they have mostly gone away and the phone is actually getting snappy. The personalize screen still force closes. The social apps work, except twitter.
Oh, and the browser is I guess broke...some kind of rendering error on most pages..I really don't want to re-flash

pinetreehater said:
Myself, I kind of like the Hero build. I really really like the browser. I think a simple tap in-tap out approach to surfing works best. Some consider the lack of the zoom controls a flaw; I consider it a blessing.
Initially, there were many force closes, but after many reboots, they have mostly gone away and the phone is actually getting snappy. The personalize screen still force closes. The social apps work, except twitter.
Oh, and the browser is I guess broke...some kind of rendering error on most pages..I really don't want to re-flash
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if the browser and bluetooth get fixed this will be the perfect build

g1junky said:
haykuro has video up of him actually running rosie on his g1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRX5N5bte68
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yeah, I've seen that too. Let me clarify since I obviously mis-spoke enough to cause confusion. I'm didn't mean to imply that Haykuro wasn't running Rosie, he obviously had control of the phone. I was just realizing that the Rosie demos were actually already on the Hero build. They're nice to watch.
I really like the visual bookmarks and panning tabs of this build. The rom in general is super sweet. BUT...I cannot get the browser to work. This is a major bummer. Maybe someone significantly more skilled than I will sort this out.

browser seems to be working fine for me on Beta 4.
My biggest problem with this ROM is bluetooth not working...I can't sync it with my car anymore and can't use the handsfree features in the car.
But I HATE the way the older ROMs look...the Black status bar at the top is AWESOME!

pinetreehater said:
yeah, I've seen that too. Let me clarify since I obviously mis-spoke enough to cause confusion. I'm didn't mean to imply that Haykuro wasn't running Rosie, he obviously had control of the phone. I was just realizing that the Rosie demos were actually already on the Hero build. They're nice to watch.
I really like the visual bookmarks and panning tabs of this build. The rom in general is super sweet. BUT...I cannot get the browser to work. This is a major bummer. Maybe someone significantly more skilled than I will sort this out.
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yea i agree..i read in a post on page 2 of developement that twistedumbrella is working on the hero beta..he says he has everything working but bluetooth..and he says its fast...im on beta 4 and its pretty fast because i adb pushed dalvik from ion

the thread by twisted umbrella is closed now

pinetreehater said:
yeah, I've seen that too. Let me clarify since I obviously mis-spoke enough to cause confusion. I'm didn't mean to imply that Haykuro wasn't running Rosie, he obviously had control of the phone. I was just realizing that the Rosie demos were actually already on the Hero build. They're nice to watch.
I really like the visual bookmarks and panning tabs of this build. The rom in general is super sweet. BUT...I cannot get the browser to work. This is a major bummer. Maybe someone significantly more skilled than I will sort this out.
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How exactly is your browser malfunctioning? Force closes or something else?

When i visit mobile pages, everything is great. But as soon as I try to visit a desktop version of a site, then it gives an error. The error message is actually part of the page, and it says:This page contains the following errors: error on line 219 column 26.....xmlparseEntityRef: no name.
The page has been loaded up until first error.

actually, the browser seems to work on wi-fi. But on edge, it will give you the parsing error when loading non-mobile pages. That is odd. I have checked APN settings and they seem ok.
Man, I loathe having to go back to an earlier ROM, I so love the way your history looks in this browser.

double post

Hand Gestures \o/

I was on Twitter, and people were discussing some of the biggies of Windows Mobile 7, with some rumors and all.
One of the things mentioned was hand gestures. I was curious about this, and thought about my Fuze's ambient light sensor, so I thought I'd give this a shot
It's proof of concept, but what do you guys think?
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_JAFskYwME

Nice work!!!

Impressive! I see you're using only vertical gestures in the video but I suppose horizontal gestures would be possible too?
It looks like this is running on Windows Mobile 6.5 with TF3D2? I don't know if that effects things - I'm on stock WinMo 6.1 with TF3D1 but would be interested in trying out something like this. I'm a noob at serious development but I'd be happy to help test if at all needed.

kryptech said:
Impressive! I see you're using only vertical gestures in the video but I suppose horizontal gestures would be possible too?
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Well, it's complicated. I'm going to work on designing some more gestures, but all the device can see is that SOMETHING went over it, it can't tell direction, size, etc. So really it's a pattern issue.
kryptech said:
It looks like this is running on Windows Mobile 6.5 with TF3D2? I don't know if that effects things - I'm on stock WinMo 6.1 with TF3D1 but would be interested in trying out something like this. I'm a noob at serious development but I'd be happy to help test if at all needed.
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Windows Mobile 6.5.3, using HTC Sense. However, none of that really matters, because it is simply simulating key press's.
I'll work on it a bit today, and hopefully release a build with more than one gesture, for people to play with.
Cheers!

Here's a zip file with the EXE and DLL in it, copy them onto your device and run them.
It's glitchy, and BY NO MEANS ready for normal use, but it's a pretty good Proof of Concept.
http://windowsphonehacker.jaxbot.com/files/Gestures.zip

I gave this a try but didn't have much success. A few times (maybe 4 or 5) it did move as though up/down were pressed but I wasn't able to find a way to duplicate it. I tried different lighting, speeds, and directions but to no effect. I've tinkered with the sensitivity too.
Is there any particular place to which these 2 files should be copied? I had them in a folder in \Program Files\ and also \Windows\
I do have the KforTouchPro_v1.0.0.3 driver installed so I can make the hard keys. (showthread.php?p=2791652). I don't know if this would make a difference.
My Touch Pro is a CDMA phone with Telus up in Canada, FYI.

kryptech said:
I gave this a try but didn't have much success. A few times (maybe 4 or 5) it did move as though up/down were pressed but I wasn't able to find a way to duplicate it. I tried different lighting, speeds, and directions but to no effect. I've tinkered with the sensitivity too.
Is there any particular place to which these 2 files should be copied? I had them in a folder in \Program Files\ and also \Windows\
I do have the KforTouchPro_v1.0.0.3 driver installed so I can make the hard keys. (showthread.php?p=2791652). I don't know if this would make a difference.
My Touch Pro is a CDMA phone with Telus up in Canada, FYI.
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As I said, it's highly proof of concept and extremely hard to use. I have a higher success rate, simply because I know all the timings.
Where you copy doesn't matter, I like mid-sensitivity and a wave that allows my arm to fully block out light for a one-half to one-fourth of a second.

I'll try some more with it then. Actually, it was a bit annoying because my mom saw me waving my hands over the phone and when she tried it responded right away! But she wasn't able to get it to work a second time...
As I understand, I just run gesture.exe then I can open another program (like TouchFlo or the program folder) and then your program will emulate key presses as it detects the correct shadow patterns.

kryptech said:
I'll try some more with it then. Actually, it was a bit annoying because my mom saw me waving my hands over the phone and when she tried it responded right away! But she wasn't able to get it to work a second time...
As I understand, I just run gesture.exe then I can open another program (like TouchFlo or the program folder) and then your program will emulate key presses as it detects the correct shadow patterns.
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Yes, that is how it works. On the screen (after opening Gesture.exe), there's some numbers, Cur and Avg. What range are they in? It might be too dark where you are for it to see a difference.

Any update on this?
Ty

madsurfer1 said:
Any update on this?
Ty
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I've been a little preoccupied lately (school...), but so far it seems it's a bit too unpredictable. Not to mention it requires a lot of light.
I'll mess around with it and see if I can't get some better results.

[App Idea/Request] GPS Video Overlay / Data Logger

Hey, might be a very limited market, but I was wondering if anyone knew, or could code an app that overlays the video camera (or is its own video camera) with GPS information.
In theory it shouldn't be too hard to do, poll the GPS for speed, the compass for direction and stick them at the bottom of a video overlay along with the system date and time on top of the camera, then record the total image/video to the SD card.
I got thinking about this after picking up my car dock and having a play around with it (inadvertently managing to record a drivers eye view of my journey home!). It would be a great app for trackdays etc, you could even output the GPS NMEA data to a KMZ file and import it into google earth, or given some fine tuning make it into a very basic GPS data logger...
Anyways, thinking out loud here If anyone can do it let me know, I can code basic stuff, but something like that is way out of my league...
Cheers

Sounds like a nice application. To take it even further: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXzdUb_fug I think this is an even greater use of camera + gps.

The only thing about making it into an augmented reality nav system is that it will still require mapping information, and the prob with that is that the free ones have pretty mad amounts of errors, and the paid ones need megabux spending (and they still have loads of errors).
With my idea, it's not an A/R system - it's simply a video overlay of info that's already in the phone. The major problem I see would be polling it, interpreting it, and writing it to the video at 30fps or whatever the unit captures at.
I do like that app tho, but it's not really what I envisaged with this

So you want to record a video similar to this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdAIaIOySoA for afterwards playback only? If so, I think this is possible only to store video + gps information in seperate files. The recorded video will be recorded as a normal video. The gps data can be stored using a kmz file with a sort of timestamp. Afterwards these 2 files can be played back with a application on the android device which reads these two files and overlays the video playback with the data from the kmz file.
I guess it will be to hard to create an application that records video and embeds the recorded gps data into the recorded video. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the android API can say something about this?

yep, got it in one... Although it would be for playback on the PC rather than on the phone.
The standard format is .3GPP, which is nice and small (comparitively speaking) and good quality too, and plays on a PC through Quicktime / VLC no problem.
I honestly think it would be perfectly doable... I just can't do it!!!

It sounds cool, but is it useful? Will anyone actually read the data/time/lat/long on the bottom of the screen during playback?
On top of that it will make the cpu work extra hard putting the text on every video frame.
Another idea is to use the timed-text stream (subtitles) in the mp4 file. (more)
Dont know how much work is involved.

It is a pretty specialist app, however I reckon people would use it for timing laps etc.
Look at how many in-car videos there are of trackdays on YouTube, and the ProVida system that is in use in the video above... there is a definite use for it imho - even if it's just used to show off people's VMAX on the autobahns etc!!
Must admit, I wouldn't see a point in the lat/long info - all I was guessing at was a simple overlay on the video with speed and direction bottom left, date & time bottom right so as not to distract from the actual video.

Hep hep hep
Don't put this idea underground (please). This app could be REALLY interesting for a bunch of freak I know (I'm one of them too :-D)
I'm in a very big forum of EV and there, such video is really really researched. The fact that it has to be processed afterward made by a separate soft is no problem...our main target is to upload a video with speed, altitude...etc for comparison or simple burning thing like "Yeah I've the freakiest e-bike..ever" X-)))
This is interesting for e-bike but also for EVERY (on the road, in the wood...etc) people which are searching performances and want to share them
Hope someone like the idea. If not I make a thread on the endless-sphere forum that the guys come "show their motiviation" here
Cheeeeers and do it ;-)
Grüß,
H.

A lot of people have been waiting for this for a long time, but I don't think its possible on android yet.
Lets hope it will be on 3.0.
A friend said that one guy will release a update to his track logging app, for the iphone 4 within a few days that will add this functionality.

B1ny said:
A lot of people have been waiting for this for a long time, but I don't think its possible on android yet.
Lets hope it will be on 3.0.
A friend said that one guy will release a update to his track logging app, for the iphone 4 within a few days that will add this functionality.
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Well, I'd love to be updated if something is released ^_^
I installed something along that line for my Jeep-carputer using Xport and what not...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdB7FksRd68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRzWAWOjnH0
More info on minicam project: http://www.curioustech.net/minicam.html
screen shot: http://www.curioustech.net/images/front.jpg
But I would love to see something like this for android. (would love this on my evo)

0okami said:
Well, I'd love to be updated if something is released ^_^
I installed something along that line for my Jeep-carputer using Xport and what not...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdB7FksRd68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRzWAWOjnH0
More info on minicam project: http://www.curioustech.net/minicam.html
screen shot: http://www.curioustech.net/images/front.jpg
But I would love to see something like this for android. (would love this on my evo)
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Looks like there is something out there and its FREE! :
http://www.dailyroads.com/voyager.php
DailyRoads Voyager