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My accessory: a BMW

OK, this may not be the correct place to post the request but i do.
I am planning to buy a BMW. THis car offers a bluetooth kit to connect your phone to the car, you know this stuff to use your phone while in the car without actually touching it and talking via the car audio system bla bla bla..
Anyway, i wonder if these kind of car bt kits are able to play music from my trinity, too? if not, what other ways are there to listen to music in the car via my trinity?
anybody made any experiences yet?
Thanks for your comments.
Regards
enlite

I know here are some devices that connect to the audio out jack and emit a low intensity fm signal that can be captured on the car's radio.

I had that for my wizard and magician. But the quality is poor. Besides you would have to buy a mini usb to audio jack converter plus you can not use the mic anymore plus it looks like a nerd had had some time to frickle some cables together...

you can try with the parrot mk6000 here
http://www.parrot.biz/uk/products/parrotmk6000
it's an installation hands free, that includes stereo stream profile (A2DP)
in BMW you can hide too the mic under the case of the original mic location
ah, by the way, it's mooooore cheaper than the original BMW one!

The BMW bluetooth kit is not that great, most stock car options like that aren't, even the dealer will tell you that and probably tell you it's only really meant (TESTED) with Motorola phones. If you do get a BMW with a Bluetooth Kit, you're going to need this as far as phone functionality is concerned when it comes to Bluetooth on the BMW, you're going to need Jetware's Bluetooth Extension found here.
http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
The bigger question is why would you bother, it's not like you have that much storage on your Trinity to play audio for music. A better option instead of investing in 3rd party bluetooth options is to get the IPOD option with the kit, this way you have stereo controls and the IPOD sits in your glove compartment so no wires or anything. Not to mention you could always just burn a CD full of MP3, even my stock BMW radio can play MP3's burned onto a CD.

Trinity and BMW
I have a Trinity with the Dopod Test GPS ROM. It pairs perfectly with the BMW system on my E90 320D with Pro Sat Nav, and all the contacts are visible on the Sat Nav screen...most of the time. Last night I could only find those on the SIM Card, but after driving off this morning they are all there again (580 of them). I haven't tried Jetware but it doesn't seem to need it to work.
The Beemer has a 3.5mm audio jack in the console. Get a USB headphone splitter/adapter for your phone and plug your Trinity into this. It will then play through the BMW system.

Excellent information mate. Thanks a lot. So that means I only need to get a usb to 3.5 mm adapter and everything else works fine.
Thanks again.

I wouldn't put out too much hope.
BMW bluetooth is tempremental to say the least.

enlite_de said:
OK, this may not be the correct place to post the request but i do.
I am planning to buy a BMW. THis car offers a bluetooth kit to connect your phone to the car, you know this stuff to use your phone while in the car without actually touching it and talking via the car audio system bla bla bla..
Anyway, i wonder if these kind of car bt kits are able to play music from my trinity, too? if not, what other ways are there to listen to music in the car via my trinity?
anybody made any experiences yet?
Thanks for your comments.
Regards
enlite
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My friend you are good... BMW comes with the Ipod connector and you want ot lisiten to muzic from a PDA... i bought Lexus GS300 and it do not have an iPod connector i have to pay few hunderd $ to get it fixed...
life is a ***** you will never get what you want and you will never be satisfied with what you have...
just for your info Lexus GS has the bluetooth phone hands free built in with there mark levinson audio system but its not stereo so i am not sure if the muzic u play from your PDA will be good quality, i tried the FM transsmitter for the iPod but in the end i have to move to cable connection as the sound quality was bad from time to time and i was not doing justice to the 14 speaker Mark levinson system...

BMW bluetooth in E91 320d works!
All,
Bluetooth connection works with my BMW 320 Touring (Model E91 from 11/2006) with BMW stock Bluetooth (Feature SA644) and my P3600 (in fact I have a Vodafone VPA Compact GPS running WM5).
The SIM Access profile is enabled using the HTC-provided application "SAP Einstellungen" (probably in English SAP Settings) on the P3600. The P3600 can be operated using the Steering wheel keys (Volume, Receive/Hang up call, show numbers in SIM on the iDrive screen, browse and call numbers and dial numbers using the speech-to-text function of the BMW iDrive). I have the "basic" iDrive system "BMW Business" without the full maps on the iDrive screen, but the Bluetooth feature is the same for both iDrive systems.
BMW has a phone compatibility list and in that list only the MDA Compact III (that is HTC Artemis/P3300) is listed, but all modern HTC phones using BT 2.0 and the SIM Access profile should do. T-Mobile confirmed to me that this also applies to the T-Mobile Vario II (equals HTC TyTN).
Speech quality is like with my old Nokia 6310i, the only catch is that BMW does not offer a charge cradle for extUSB connectors, but a Car-to-USB charger will do. Also, the BMW has a 3,5" Stereo socket in the Console / Phone cradle area to which I connect the P3600 using a 1-to-3 extUSB to 3,5" adapter, then music can be played back using the built-in BMW iDrive stereo system.

Clarification: Does the x7500/7510 work as a phone?

I am looking for an upgrade from the Universal. These two devices are looking about the closest (or the touch pro 2).
I use the universal without earphones or bluetooth, as a phone, is that possible with the 75x0? Or must you have an attachment?
(the universal had two dedicated speakers for mono 'phone' mode, and two others for stereo speakerphone).

you need attachment, you can't just use it as a phone (ie hold it to your ear) it gets real annoying for me.

To be honest, practically it can work as a phone even w/o any attachment. It has two stereo louder speakers and one microphone on its front panel. But the thing is that it does not have the speaker like in the regular phone - only louder speaking mode is available, therefore, everybody will hear you during your phone conversations. Or you should find out your "secret" place for talking with people.
BT or cord attachment can solve this problem and let you use this brick as a phone, but, believe me, you will forget about regular use...
This is real "another brick in the wall..."
Now I'm just trying to test this relation 7510 + cord headset replacing my Nokia E71 (just to test). Finally, I'm sure that I will return to Nokia soon - it's absolutely impossible to use 7510 as a regular working phone for everyday use.

I'm using the X7500 and now X7510 since 3 years as phone and Im happy with. OK, you need a BT headset or BT carkit - but no other phone in the world can offer the features a X75xx has.
Dieter

dieterpapa said:
I'm using the X7500 and now X7510 since 3 years as phone and Im happy with. OK, you need a BT headset or BT carkit - but no other phone in the world can offer the features a X75xx has.
Dieter
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Interesting that someone would love to use the x75x0 as a regular phone. The more recent WM phones (Touch HD2, Toshiba TG01) being hailed have screens almost as big as the x75x0. When I read their users' wish list for these modern phones, they seem to be describing something like the x75x0. Something tells me that a re-release of the x7510 with some tweaks could be a winner! Desired improvements: 1GHz processor, WVGA (800x480) resolution, skin cover for the main device (without hardware keyboard).

rsawoseyin said:
Interesting that someone would love to use the x75x0 as a regular phone. The more recent WM phones (Touch HD2, Toshiba TG01)
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People think these screens are as big?
I have the universal, which is a 4" screen, and when I look at any phone in a shop at the moment, the size of the screen is much smaller.

I use my X7510 as a phone (and internet browser, agenda, tomtom and mp3 player)
The WM 6.5.3 interface is a huge improvement in the phone usefulness and that makes Windows mobile slowly getting to become a proper phone-software.
The contact images (the faces of your contacts) are of course still microscopic.

I live in one of the no cellphone while driving w/o a headset states, so I take my blueant z9i headset wherever I go anyway, so if youre the same then I'd say yes, it works perfectly and reliably as a phone, as well as an internet tablet, a messenger device, a audio-video player, an ebook reader, a GPS Navigator, an SNES emulator, (haven't tried the playstation emulator yet), as well as whatever else of the boatload of uses you can find for it.

[Q] Extreme Light 6.1 ROM for Car-Net access

I have a Touch Pro connected to my car navigation/tv screen and control it using a bluetooth mouse.
What I need is the lightest possible rom that will give me telephone, Mobile Office, and internet access.
I want to optimise speed by having the fewest installed applications.
What is the most stripped down and fastest (stable) 6.1 ROM out there?
Thanks in advance!

you can try this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625639
this is actually made to run android from WM so its as light as it can get keeping all hardware functional
get the core version which includes stripped WM 6.1 only

Great, I'll give it a go!
Thanks

Aleemz, How did you connect your touch Pro to your car's navigation/tv screen and what kind of car is it? This sounds like an interesting mod.

Well, better late than never is what they say! I must apologise for not visiting this thread earlier.
I was using the OEM TV-out cable which terminates in RCA (red, white, yellow) terminals. The car is an Audi Q7 with TV tuner which has RCA Aux inputs.

Best car integration kit?

For years I've been handling all the music in my car via a first-gen iPod mini under the passenger seat connected to a Harman/Kardon Drive+Play. It's got its flaws, but it works great. I turn on the car and it picks right up where it left off. The control is mounted right where my hand expects it to be and the screen is easily visible. No fuss, no muss.
I'm wondering if I can accomplish something similar with my Nexus One. What I DON'T want to do is have some complex setup where every time I get in the car I have to connect three cables and put the phone in some gawdy clamp mount, then be awkwardly trying to use the touch screen while driving, then having to stop playback and disconnect everything when I get out of the car.
I'm looking for a solution that is either one cable or automatic bluetooth. Preferably there would be an external monitor screen. I'd like a manual control that I could mount by the arm rest or steering wheel and use without looking at it. At minimum, I could do music and calls. Navigation would be a plus.
Does anything like this currently exist?

Sounds like your after any number of car headunits that support AD2P (audio over bluetooth), bluetooth voice, and navigation. Alpine, Eclipse and Kenwood all make good units that should do what you want. You should be able to leave your phone in your pocket and just have it connect via bluetooth when your in range.
I've had minimal success with the various Pioneer headunits due to them not supporting AD2P without additional controllers = more money.

I hadn't thought of just replacing the head unit but I suppose I'm due. I browsed Crutchfield but there's no filter for A2DP capability. Anyone have any suggestions for a DIN head unit with integrated A2DP and a color LCD screen?

I'm currently using a jvc kd-r900. It comes with a little Bluetooth adapter that you can plug into the rear USB port. I have it setup to auto start car home when it connects to the bluetooth. Usually by the time I get in, start the car and put my seat belt on, my phone is connected and ready to play music/calls/GPS/etc. I can start music either from my phone or just pressing the play/pause button on the head unit. Works really great. I can switch songs pause/play and make calls directly frm the head unit without having to touch my phone. My wife had her phone in her purse in the back seat and was still able to play music without touching the phone
Overall pretty pleased with the unit and it works great with my n1.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Can you browse/navigate Artist, Album, Track, etc. from the head unit? If so, this is probably exactly what I'm after.

I can't browse using the headunit. It only allows my to play/pause and skip tracks.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the tip. This looks like a good unit.
Anyone else have experiences with A2DP headunits?

This might be dumb. But do all android phones have this a2dp feature? Isn't it just the same as a Bluetooth headset sort of, so they ALL must have it? If so I'm definitely getting a new stereo! I just want to make sure that after my nexus I can still use this feature!

A2DP is a software thing. So as long as the phone has a Bluetooth 2.0 chip (the G1 does) and the operating system supports A2DP (At minimum, Froyo does) then you're good to go.

I use a THB BURY CC9060 Music. Full Bluetooth kit with full music control from a remote dash mounted screen and call handling.
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What is a 'WWW' MCU? Anyone using USB Audio?

Hi,
I run a car audio firm, we have a PX5-based unit a client ordered.. The MCU version is "MTCD_WWW_V2.54b_2" .. Our goal is USB audio working proper, among a few other things (better interface if possible, better apps, better SQ stuff)
I haven't seen a "www" mcu anywhere? It's sold as an EONON GA7150A..
Anyone know anything about this MCU? If it's compatible with any others or anything like that? I definitely would like to root it, update the ROM to something better, get rid of the "Windows Mobile" part of it which was, IIRC, advertised as the ability to 'boot' between Android and Windows but is actually just a different interface theme from the home screen.. Also want to do whatever we can for sound quality and smooth experience.
I should note that, as a car audio company (in Canada), we are seriously considering producing our own Android units.. likely 'producing' would consist of getting units like a px5, branding them and primarily, having a SOLID software system built for automotive use. I think a lot of these units are a great start and are ALMOST there for a lot of things but..some of the interface stuff is rushed, not translated great, etc.
What I'd like to see is an Android unit, priced like these ones usually are, but with *really* good class A interfaces. The kind of experience you'd expect on a Samsung phone or a Pioneer headunit. I personally have been using my Samsung Tab S 8.4" in my car as my 'head unit' (paired with a Pioneer single din for a hardware volume knob and some easy control) for along time and I would not want to ever go back.
Here's a short video of the interface and version info..
My eventual goal is getting USB audio working decently. It does work for most Android apps but the volume control only controls the internal audio chip, and the radio app routes through the internal audio chip as well.. I assume perhaps other sources like DVD and line-in would as well, I haven't verified but I will pretty quick here. I plan on making another video showing what works/what doesn't/how it works.
I'm hoping for a software only solution but am happy to hack the hardware if needed. I'm using a Behringer UCA-222 as a "DAC" (same as 202 but red in color) but won't actually be using the DAC in it but only it's optical output into an Audison Bit 8.9 DSP/Amplifier.
There's the possibility of routing the px5's audio output RCA's to the Behringer's Input and 'monitoring' that input to the optical output via software but that doesn't solve the fact the volume control does nothing for apps when using the USB.. Eg, youtube plays through USB/optical fine but volume control doesn't change the volume..Radio plays through the px5's audio chip and volume control controls that, and shows on screen.. I could force everything to play thru the px5 audio chip and then monitor it to optical but that defeats the purpose of what I'm trying to do completely (full digital audio to the amplifier).
I'm willing to sacrifice some sources re-routed like that though, eg, the radio would be fine as it already sounds ****. Aux in also doesn't sound great usually and won't be used in this car anyway. DVD would be nice to have optical out as well but
I'm currently still searching for a schematic/block diagram for these devices, this would probably answer a lot of my questions like.. I'm curious whether audio from any of the other onboard devices (radio, dvd, aux in) go through Android at all or whether they're directly sourced to the output chip.
If it's the latter - that sucks - but I wouldn't be surprised. I have read the thread about the hardware hack to allow android control of the audio chip but I don't see this giving me the functionality I need. If it is wired like this, and I can get the other components (eg. radio chip) to output their audio to Android, digitally somehow and have Android push it to the USB audio device that'd be cool.
Is no one else using a USB dac on any of these units? I have many years experience coding, hacking, electronic engineering, tinkering, etc. including Android but I haven't done many of these Android Head Units.. A lot of times we use tablets instead! But this client wanted OEM look..so we thought we'd give it a shot.
The difference between the audio quality from the internal DAC and the USB audio device's optical routed directly to the DSP (digital to the power amp) is definitely noticeable, even with there being very little noise picked up in our interconnects.

Hi,
I can help you only with WWW MCU,
forbiddenera said:
Hi,
I run a car audio firm, we have a PX5-based unit a client ordered.. The MCU version is "MTCD_WWW_V2.54b_2" .. Our goal is USB audio working proper, among a few other things (better interface if possible, better apps, better SQ stuff)
I haven't seen a "www" mcu anywhere? It's sold as an EONON GA7150A..
Anyone know anything about this MCU? If it's compatible with any others or anything like that? I definitely would like to root it, update the ROM to something better, get rid of the "Windows Mobile" part of it which was, IIRC, advertised as the ability to 'boot' between Android and Windows but is actually just a different interface theme from the home screen.. Also want to do whatever we can for sound quality and smooth experience.
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tha same question (#1956) i read in this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-head-unit-discussion-thread-t3573881/page196
it should be KLD (klyde), you can read the answer in post #1959

Thanks for the pointer.

Hi,
I uses the newsmy carpad since 2 yrs with android box with wince interface and same issue of radio, bt and dvd being analog while the android side of things is 100% digital output via the included hdmi.
I put aside my alpine pxa-h900 and installed the helix dsp pro with auto switching of input with priority on digital input and use internet radio apps, android bt apps and plugged in an usb portable drive for dvd/cd.
Cheers.
Richard
Singapore