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Why all these new WM6 ROMs?

I am a bit surprised that so many new WM6 ROMs are appearing on this board. The majority just appear to have been created using the Pandora kitchen.
The Pandora kitchen is so incredibly easy to use so why not just create your own ROM. We all have different requirements so no downloaded ROM is likely to suit anyone other than its originator.
The current Pandora kitchen is IMHO close to perfect. Cook your own it really is easy.
Provided you only flash the OS and nothing else you are no more likely to "brick" your Wizard than if you flash one of the preprepared ROMs - perhaps even less likely.

Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
I am not trying to tell you that I've got balls and super-knowledge to do that and someone else doesn't. The Pandora's Box is awesome, so is the Core Pro Kitchen also. But If it was THAT easy, MS would have also released a kitchen for every user to cook their ROM.

Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
It reminds me of all these "WINXP UTILITIES AIO 2007 XP GOLD" packages that you often see.
I moderate a few boards and I do remove such things, Its not to say that what is being produced here isnt worthy of recognition, but I think it is certainly an idea to thin it a little.
For example lock the topic as soon as it is created and then have simply 1 well moderated thread for bug reports.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...

Whiterat said:
Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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i like idea of wm06 for PSP ( screen calibration specifically ).
rofl.

Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages, so was starting to question even releasing it (I may do some customizations to things, but really not sure). There are so many slight variations with minimal "custom" changes (other than splash screens) that pretty much any of these can be built by about anyone with minimal work (or thats the way it appears).
Faria and Doubleofour opened the cooking floodgates with their easy to use Kitchens. The Core and Pandora kitchens have just increased the proliferation.
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...

mfrazzz said:
...so was starting to question even releasing it...
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While the shear quantity of ROM's is, perhaps, unneeded, I for one sure hope you release the next version of XM6! Part of the internet community's ideals is reuse. I surely appreciate mfrazzz's (and the others' he built on!) ROMs.

mfrazzz said:
Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.
Thanks!!

I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.
I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)
But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.
I stop for it - and started USING my device.
BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.
Like other say: Just my 2 cent
lol

Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.
I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.
User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.
The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier

Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!

So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)

This is a simple question to answer.
Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.
You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.
Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!
Try faria's kitchen
Packages
8 Button Commanger
I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.
For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.

scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day

ExploreMN said:
Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
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Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.

theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..

WizeMan said:
Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
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I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.
You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.
You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.

I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.

abasu2003 said:
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.
Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.
A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.
Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen

best wm6 ROM

has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?

simbadogg said:
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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Cingular doesn't offer WM6 for the Wizard. Your best bet is to just try a few out and see what you like best. Asking which one is the best is very subjective and has been asked about 100 times already with about 1000 different answers.
Good luck!

ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...

you should try wrcx1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322404)

As usual...READ READ READ! And deliberate what fits your needs...

simbadogg said:
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters

simbadogg said:
ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...
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If you think "a ton of addons or anything" makes a rom slow, you are mistaken. I think you will find most of the custom roms here faster than stock Wizard (8125) roms and they have lots more functionality. Having addons does not take away from your phone's storage space or memory. Only if you turn on the addons will it take away from your phone memory (but just like it would if you installed it yourself). Remember that the ROM has a dedicated area of around 60MB of space. If you put a 40MB rom in that space, you don't gain the 20MB, its just lost on the Wizard. So personally, I pack my roms to fill that space and give the most options built in for people to use.
But there can be a price with having a packed rom. Some have seen slower boot times and slower access to the \Windows folder when you try to use a file manager. But I've never seen it impact overall phone performance itself.
Just had to point that out, as it seems to be a common misconception that people have.

dwny said:
There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters
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thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....

ammarr thanks for that link, i've added a few things to it like registry editor and such, but i really like the layout of this one. On top of that, its working well...phone not freezing, not dropping signal etc. Thank again.

well here's my 2 cents, if you liked whiterats rom, try bhoydegets "octavio 4" its an improvement and comes in different pagepools, try it for your self, here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323485

hey,
how would you say its an improvement? I'd like the touch scrolling and today plugin but dont want to mess up my wcrx1 which is working great. Page pools is not an issue since you can change them over activesync. I'm already running wrcx1 with 8mb pp.

simbadogg said:
thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....
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I'm glad I can be a jackass and of some assistance.
You stated you're on your 5th flash.....there's over 70 Roms out there and new ones coming every week. You've done nothing! Faria's Rom was released about 3.5 months ago or longer. There has been alot of changes since then....but if you did some real research....you'd know this.
If you feel Faria's Rom is the best....stick with it, modify it & make it your own.
P.S: This is a developer's forum...not a user's forum.
It's not my job to police this forum; people are happy to assist with specific questions or issues as they arise.

simbadogg said:
thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
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1. I agree with dwny. This is a developers forum. This is not a forum for developers to help nubes flash new ROMS. I'm pretty tired of the "If I flash this ROM, will I lose my programs?" questions. I must see that at least a few times in every new ROM announcement thread. Most of the dumb questions come from people who don't contribute anything but "Works great. But can you add [insert freeware software request here] in the next one?"
2. If you're going to be a wise-ass, please spell all of your words correctly and use the correct context. It may not help you be more correct, but it will at least save you the humiliation of not knowing and understanding your native language. The correct phrase is "Duly Noted." And as a sidenote, dualy isn't even an actual word.
-Mc

The future of this forum

Things have been so quiet lately, that I thought I'd just put up something so people have something to read! The usual suspects that hang around have been missing for a while. Haven't heard from Phil in months. Nitro is about to leave. And Vjgrace never promised to be around for too long. I think we're in a long, lonely stretch here, fellas!

I think we 'Tornado'ian are a 'dying' breed. ROM flashing dont excite many people anymore after
vjgrace's almost perfect v3.7 release. Hopefully Nitro can bring us some excitement with his next release. But I bet the excitement will be short-lived.
I for one would like a change to the mundane Tornado Homescreen. On the horizon there is PointUI (www. PointUI.com). But it is far from perfect. Gregory's HTC Home cracked was ok but lacked user customization. Maybe Homescreen design competition!
Well, what do we do to bring some excitement to the Tornado? Wait for WM7 ROM cooking? Linuz? or port the Android?
The answers are within us.
Post ideas here.

Don't worry, my friends. There is a "dynamic equilibrium" in this forum; some people leave, new people come. Andot came when Phil left, EA came when Andot left, etc. There will always be someone to improve our ROMs or just provide support. Don't forget that there are many people here who don't cook but are here for us when we have a problem (DSF, karhoe, you bipinsen and illi, and many more).
So, there's nothing to worry about. This forum has many good members to carry on our ...legacy!

I just started playing with my TMO SDA (Tornado) on Sunday night. Flashed a NitroGenius WM6 for the first time.
However, making my own ROMs is fun so I already started the process. I ported 5.2.1711 Build 18165.0.5.0 from the TMO Shadow ROM dump posted in another forum (OS only). I will make a vanilla kitchen out of it if anyone is interested... well, even if nobody is interested I'll make a kitchen of it anyway because it's fun to do!
Weird that there is a 5.2.1616 18165.0.5.0, it must be some kind of hybrid because each Microsoft build number is associated with only a specific version, 18165 goes with 1711.

See, there will always be someone to continue the Tornado WM6 ROM project.
Nice work, GnatGoSplat. You have a pm.
I also plan to release a kitchen as soon as I create the option.xml files for BuildOS. Maybe we can cooperate on this.

You have PM! I won't have much time to work on my kitchen until things calm down at my workplace, but I'll send you the XIP tonight and you should be able to get 5.2.1711 available to the public very soon!
With as many HTC devices as I own, the Tornado is one of my favorites, it's so slim and compact, but it has Wifi! I will probably be around here for some time.

GnatGoSplat said:
With as many HTC devices as I own, the Tornado is one of my favorites, it's so slim and compact, but it has Wifi! I will probably be around here for some time.
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Welcome to the forum GnatGoSplat! Nice to have you here.

NiTroGenious AFAIK you expect Shark's new build rom, he said it wouldn't be ready in january...
on subj i can say that there will be some progress soon, cause microsoft promised wm 6.1 in 1Q2008, for sure it will be possible to port it for our old friends

GnatGoSplat said:
I just started playing with my TMO SDA (Tornado) on Sunday night. Flashed a NitroGenius WM6 for the first time.
However, making my own ROMs is fun so I already started the process. I ported 5.2.1711 Build 18165.0.5.0 from the TMO Shadow ROM dump posted in another forum (OS only). I will make a vanilla kitchen out of it if anyone is interested... well, even if nobody is interested I'll make a kitchen of it anyway because it's fun to do!
Weird that there is a 5.2.1616 18165.0.5.0, it must be some kind of hybrid because each Microsoft build number is associated with only a specific version, 18165 goes with 1711.
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Glad to have you around GnatGoSplat. WELCOME!
The excitement continues... I am looking forward to a vanilla version
@Nitro - hardly an hour of your posting, here comes someone along to "continue the legacy..."

illi said:
ROM flashing dont excite many people anymore after vjgrace's almost perfect v3.7 release.
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i guess you are right. why would one flash another rom when the existing ones (e.g. vjgrace, NiTroGenious) are that good? i think when MS releases something new some people might start again, bringing this alive on the tornado.
but for the time being...

I like Flashing
I just can't keep re-installing my phone all the time
I do need it for actual phone calls every once in awhile

rom kitshen
im a noob and i realy mean noob i realy dont no´how to make a ro and i now i have asked many times but bad answers and i need a good techer from the begining and if you now a video or webbsite that lern that sings so please show or learn me
and if you now a rpogram that´will be good

Thanks NiTroGenious... unfortunately i've lost my ultra-mega-passion for WM (limited time, univ, etc)
But, as you've said "some people leave, new people come" and some of them remain in "background"..
Wish you a great time with the military service! Good luck
We wait you back, you're the man .

Attention all Chefs!

While I am new to this field of MDA/Wizard workings. I simply love the fact that there are many different chefs in the kitchens cooking up ROMs for us.
I think I have tried just about all of them on my unlocked 8125 (which I use on the T-Mobile network, and have for almost 1 year now - I LOVE IT). I am hoping to get a faster device soon, as being a power user, I tend to bog this one down.
While I love all the 'prepared' ROMs, here is what I would like to see (and I am sure there are others out there with the same request). I would love a end-all to end-all COOKBOOK (cooking guide). I would like to find a book/instructions on COOKING ROMs. I would like to give it a whirl, and build my own. While I love all the 'prepared' ROMs, many of them have features/apps that I will not use, and are missing ones that I do. Once they are part of the ROM, it appears that you cannot get rid of them.
I feel there should be a repository someplace of ALL VIRGIN (ORIGINAL/UNALTERED ROMs), i.e., WM5, WM6, WM6.1, and the various packages that can be added. Like going to a supermarket and getting the items for your favorite recipe. I mean, the whole idea of COOKING ROMs, and the proggies called KITCHENS, lets carry the idea further.
What does everyone think?
***** To all the CHEFS out there, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK - but remember as Chef Ramsey says "I am the best, you can only one day hope to be half as good as me!" Well, in order to be good, the best had to start off as simply good. *****

Hey you might want to look at the stickies at the top of the forum...
Kitchens are the way to go when building your own roms, and they have pretty in depth how-tos.. Pantry is where to go for the packages.. also stickied.

Look up near the top, and you will find the tools. Learning to use them takes time.
One VALID complaint I have is that people have stopped posting the cooking packages - that is, their dumps of whatever kitchen they are using.
You CAN rip apart an existing rom for a starting point, but there are often problems with doing it (missing pieces, etc) which you then have to resolve or the ROM you cook won't work. In some cases (particularly with 6.1) the XIP won't extract AT ALL which makes for lots of hacking around.
It would be nice if chefs posted their kitchens so we could modify too...... a lot of ROMs are close, but would be perfect with a few more inclusions...

as far as packages are concerned, I make my own from cab files, other peoples kitchens (maybe when I have time to rummage through.. You can also simply request a package on the kitchen tools thread, an I'm sure that we are a sharing peoples.
As far as kitchens, I would recommend finding Faria's to start with. It is extremely simple. All you have to know is that you have a limited amount of space.
As far as the kooking manual:
The WIKI is what you are looking for I got all the information I needed there.

yes it is faria that is easy to use though others prefer hypercore
it is always the preference of you if you like to cook in what kitchen
for me oem is the hardest part thou others find it easy what I hope is that there will also be a stickies on how to
there is a OEM creator
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2089816#post2089816
it would be better if you can also ask for a short tutorial on doing that

Thank You in Advance for all your replies; I will address each one separately:
::Zack84a:: I have been through many of the STICKIES, and I find that many of them are a big mess of babble. While there are some interesting post there, they the concept of linear thought is disconjointed and often bordering on chaos. I would be more than happy to post an illustrated and in depth KOOKBOOK (so to speak) if I can simply get a handle on some of the aspects and theories.
::Genesis3:: I have downloaded several of the kitchens, and unpacked them in different locations on my computer. They all have a multitude of folders, and files within them. I am a very advanced Windows user, and I find it hard to believe that there is not something out there, like the Windows XP or VISTA (joke) installation CD/DVD where you can install the OS to a PPC and customize the install. You would then have to add the little apps to make the PPC your own. Much like installing XP and choosing to use IE, NETSCAPE or FIREFOX for your browser (or one of the other dozen or so out there). It seems that there is not a single post of a COMPLETE and UNALTERED ROM out there for any version. Surely there has to be one someplace. It would also be nice to see a CONCISE and COMPLETE glossary of the terms, and perhaps not written by just one CHEF - but a joint effort.
::Character:: I would agree with you and Genesis3. Perhaps the CHEFS need to start posting (or making available) the complete (uncooked kitchen of their ROMs). This would allow a budding CHEF to play with its nuances and learn what taking a piece out does, remember you can always add more salt to a recipe - but you can never take it back out.
::S.V.I.:: Ahh, saved you for last. I am currently running your latest "901" posting on my WizardA100 (CINGULAR 8125 but being used on T-Mobile), and I LUV IT so far. I had to tweak it a little for myself, add some sounds (that I like), install BATTERY STATUS, and turn on my TODAY items. I am debating an upgrade in June. My contract with T-Mobile is up then. This phone is a hand-me-down from a friend who got a new Q. I loved it so much when he had it, he gave it to me. I have been using the Original T-Mobile MDA 2.26 ROM for so long and wanted to go to 6.0 or 6.1 (which I have been reading so much about). I came to this forum and I think that I have tried about 30 different ROMs so far. Some of them are NICE, some are PRETTY, and one of them would not do anything after 2 minutes from a HARD BOOT. The TODAY screen would come up, and if you let it sit for 2 minutes or longer...nothing worked; no buttons, nothing on the screen, had to SOFT RESET. That one got dumped right away. I would really love to learn from the MASTER CHEFS out here, and being a fast learner - think I would someday make a good chef too.
If I decide to get another PPC device, which one do you think would be good? I know there are 400MHz models out there, and they seem appealing...but I love the HTC Wizard (and its cousins). The phone I am still trying to figure out who made/makes it - is the one from the NEW KNIGHT RIDER MOVIE (the one the bad guy used). It had the coolest screen - looked almost Holographic or LCARS (Star Trek looking). I am surprised that there is not a ROM out here with that theme (LCARS the ST:TNG touch panels).
Okay, enough rambling. I hope that someone will help me go to chef school.

here is what I learned (having successfully cooked my first rom) and may be you will find it usefull when you decide to make a new rocksteady tutorial:
I learned that the color codes in this machene a re a variation of the same stuff as HTML; but with unpredictable results. the only code that works is basic collors, and not very many variations. I learned that reading this rom's RGU's and XML's (provxml's as well) is pretty self explanatory. If you can read the registry, and have enough common sense, it becomes easyer with every hack you put into it. For me it is all trial and error. Last night I spent untill noon trying t get my splash screens to work, and when I finally got it right, I realized that it is not that hard afterall. It is just the initial shock of :
"What tha f--- does THAT mean?!"
I think that most people are getting intimidated by all this jargon, as well as some cooks who have had enough of answering the same (not supid) questions over and over again. They all say: "please refer to this post" and link it. which often times seems pretty cold. However, it takes quite a bit of time and effort to find and link the post in question, and in fact it is a benevolent gesture, not an arrogant reply.
There are thousands of people making posts. ofcourse the information is going to get distorted and chaotic.
I have to say this though: cooking is not difficult (I paint, draw, and make costumes for theatre) I don't come from a tech bakground. If I can do it, than anyone who can put 2+2 together and justify the outcome as 5 or greater; can do it too. lol
I really hope that someone will be able to put together a deffinative cookbook together. someone who can teach, has the time and the patience to go through it step by step, in a language that even george bush can understand. Maybe that person is you (?)

well said...

i think a lot of us would like to make a thorough guide, but oh where's the time? we're all too busy making roms there's a number of good guides for basic kitchen use, but finding the detailed info past making packages is very difficult...
209 seems pretty damn stable, maybe it's time....

My biggest problem with the current 6.1 stuff (using Hypercore) is that neither using it OR some of the other bundled tool sets have I been able to take one of the existing builds and get a clean XIP.
So my cooking produces a ROM that works great but has a wrong version number. Not a huge deal, but......

I believe that this has to do with the nb0 that you are using, not the xip. and there is a very complicated tutorial about it on the wiki. I haven't been able to figure it out.
I dod notice, that when I ised the smaller nb that came with the kitchen the numbers match up.
You can hack the os number. If you have the xip that you should have, you should be able to change the version number of any nb0 using a hex editor.

Well I can split the .nb into the proper files but when I run the XIP extraction tool on it the tool HANGS!
It prints nothing at all and sits - forever.
Anyway I got an XIP directory that extracted properly from an earlier 6.1 build and it works; I've not had the ROMs I've cooked thus far with it (using "slim" as the base) do anything evil, but it bothers me that I'm running a hybrid like this.
When I was cooking 6.0 I had a hybrid that worked well but it took me several weeks to get something that was MOSTLY stable, and it still had some nasty RAM leaks. On the other hand most of the leaks were in the POP3 email support, which I use HEAVILY. IMAP has some problems with my server that make it unusable (Specifically I can't send using it) so I'm stuck to some degree.
Overall however I've got a decent 6.1 ROM; I've not yet "published it" as I need to get back in there and remove the custom funky tahoma font sub default and also put my own "branding" on the startup screen...... but it runs and is very stable.
If I do release it I'll do so WITH the kitchen pack so it can be cooked on further by people. One of the reasons I really like cooking my own is that to the extent I can put apps into the base ROM I don't use up program memory.

ARGHHHHH!!!!! My Brain Hurtz
All these damned terms: XIP, .NB0, .NBK, OEM, SYS, Na-Nu Na-Nu, etc.
This is what I want to clear up. I am willing to do my best in creating a DEFINATIVE/PROFESSIONAL KOOKBOOK, but I need to lear some of these terms. How's about we start a GLOSSARY someplace. Start listing words and definitions someplace and all the CHEFS add to/expand on them??
While I am like SVI, I have 3 jobs, but I find that I have a lot of WAITING time in front of my PC, while another one is doing something - I would love to start compiling ROMS, I have over 1TB of storage space available. If anyone wants to send them to me, with a complete description, contents, versions etc. Perhaps I can create a repository for all of them and HOST them. I dunno. Just trying to do something constructive. I could sit here for days reading these posts and never get all the ROMs, patches, updates, applications etc. Geez if there was a simple FTP location with all of them!!!
Okay, Okay - getting off soapbox so that I can bang my head on it.
Much Thanks to everyone!

Upgrading???
Do you guys have any input on this missed question?
::: If I decide to get another PPC device, which one do you think would be good? I know there are 400MHz models out there, and they seem appealing...but I love the HTC Wizard (and its cousins). The phone I am still trying to figure out who made/makes it - is the one from the NEW KNIGHT RIDER MOVIE (the one the bad guy used). It had the coolest screen - looked almost Holographic or LCARS (Star Trek looking). I am surprised that there is not a ROM out here with that theme (LCARS the ST:TNG touch panels). :::
I think that PHONE was cool'r-n-hell, but have no idea what it was.

bearhntr said:
Do you guys have any input on this missed question?
::: If I decide to get another PPC device, which one do you think would be good? I know there are 400MHz models out there, and they seem appealing...but I love the HTC Wizard (and its cousins). The phone I am still trying to figure out who made/makes it - is the one from the NEW KNIGHT RIDER MOVIE (the one the bad guy used). It had the coolest screen - looked almost Holographic or LCARS (Star Trek looking). I am surprised that there is not a ROM out here with that theme (LCARS the ST:TNG touch panels). :::
I think that PHONE was cool'r-n-hell, but have no idea what it was.
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Sorry for continuing the off-topic but if you like phones that look like the wizard and have 400Mhz processors then you must get Kaiser a.k.a Tytn II a.k.a Tilt
cheers

M2D ROM compatibility

hey folks, i've been hunting around and trying ROMs for quite a while now. and for about 2 months i've been trying to get my hands on a particular ROM. what i'm looking for is a WM 6.5 ROM (NOT 6.5.x; i want the start menu in the top left corner, not the bottom left) that is absolutely BARE NAKED, nothing but the operating system and absolute system necessities, and not much else, if anything. i have cabs for all programs that i use. one other stipulation is that i have WAlien's M2D and weather localisation cabs and i need a ROM that i can install this on. i've been trying to learn how to cook on my own, but i can't seem to find a learning friendly kitchen. and the instructions might as well be written in Chinese for all the sense i can make of them. too much technical terms used that i don't understand. i'd love to build my own, but it's just not an option right now. anyway, just wanted to know if anyone would happen to know where i can find a ROM that meets these criteria, or if some wonderfully kind chef out there might cook me one up? either one would make me friggin EXTACIC! i don't like the WM 6.5.x roms, not sure why, i just don't seem to mesh well with them. anyway, if anyone could help me out, i would really appreciate it. also, if anyone could tell me what particular builds will take to WAlien's M2D cabs, that would really help in my search. i know the 23xxx builds are all the 6.5.x that i don't want, but i really don't know about any others. i believe i had a 21550 build that was running M2D with Home Weather (my big concern), but the ROM was over 100 MB, fluffed up with all sorts of programs that i would never even use. by the way, i'm using an HTC Tilt/Kaiser/Tytn II, whatever you want to call it. love the phone, but can't seem to find just the right ROM, or a decent kitchen to teach myself on. no idea what SYS or OEM files are, where to put them, what they do, or anything. i just know that they are used to cook ROMs. anyway, if some kind soul could take the time out of their day to enlighten me, i'd love to get a better grasp on this stuff. i'd actually like to take some classes on the subject, but i'd rather get my feet wet first, so i'm not going into it blind. thanks for your time, even if you can't help me, i appreciate you taking the time to see if you might be able to help.

clsifford said:
hey folks, i've been hunting around and trying ROMs for quite a while now. and for about 2 months i've been trying to get my hands on a particular ROM. what i'm looking for is a WM 6.5 ROM (NOT 6.5.x; i want the start menu in the top left corner, not the bottom left) that is absolutely BARE NAKED, nothing but the operating system and absolute system necessities, and not much else, if anything. i have cabs for all programs that i use. one other stipulation is that i have WAlien's M2D and weather localisation cabs and i need a ROM that i can install this on. i've been trying to learn how to cook on my own, but i can't seem to find a learning friendly kitchen. and the instructions might as well be written in Chinese for all the sense i can make of them. too much technical terms used that i don't understand. i'd love to build my own, but it's just not an option right now. anyway, just wanted to know if anyone would happen to know where i can find a ROM that meets these criteria, or if some wonderfully kind chef out there might cook me one up? either one would make me friggin EXTACIC! i don't like the WM 6.5.x roms, not sure why, i just don't seem to mesh well with them. anyway, if anyone could help me out, i would really appreciate it. also, if anyone could tell me what particular builds will take to WAlien's M2D cabs, that would really help in my search. i know the 23xxx builds are all the 6.5.x that i don't want, but i really don't know about any others. i believe i had a 21550 build that was running M2D with Home Weather (my big concern), but the ROM was over 100 MB, fluffed up with all sorts of programs that i would never even use. by the way, i'm using an HTC Tilt/Kaiser/Tytn II, whatever you want to call it. love the phone, but can't seem to find just the right ROM, or a decent kitchen to teach myself on. no idea what SYS or OEM files are, where to put them, what they do, or anything. i just know that they are used to cook ROMs. anyway, if some kind soul could take the time out of their day to enlighten me, i'd love to get a better grasp on this stuff. i'd actually like to take some classes on the subject, but i'd rather get my feet wet first, so i'm not going into it blind. thanks for your time, even if you can't help me, i appreciate you taking the time to see if you might be able to help.
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You may want to consider using spaces when you post, like having paragraphs
If you feel adventurous enough, head over to ppckitchen.org and get your kitchen and cook it yourself with all the bells and whistles (or lack thereof) that you wish.
Alternatively, go to the Kaiser section and look for something there.
FYI, the different UI has nothing to do with 6.5.X, but rather with the COM branch. You are looking for any rom of the COM2 branch (usually anything above 218XX (but always remaining in the 21XXX branches) will have the start menu on top).
I hope this helps you some.

yeah, i tend to ramble a bit. anyway, i tried ppckitchen. thouroughly unimpressed. i produced 3 roms, 2 of which worked, however, they weren't what i was looking for. didn't have much expericence at the time, and now that i know what i'm looking for, PPCK's BuildOS runs all the way through the rom building process then gives me an error. i sit there for X amount of time picking and choosing all my stuff, then sit for 10-15 more minutes, and now after that, it just gives me an error every time. it's been a while since i even thought about messing with it again. i can't even remember exactly what the error message was. thanks for the input though.
so i need to look for builds with 21xxx then. sweet. that will help narrow down my search at least. just basically looking for something with no bells, no whistles, that will run the M2D cabs from WAlien. i had a rom a couple weeks ago that met all the criteria except for the bells and whistles, but i've been flashing so many roms looking for the right one, that they pretty much all say "KAISIMG" now and it's about impossible to remember which is which. plus, they pretty much look the same once loaded, so i don't really know until i get the results when i try to install M2D. anyway, thanks for the help with the build numbers. i'll try searching those.

i actually just figured out the other day that the 23xxx builds are the ones with the start menu in the bottom left.

clsifford said:
i actually just figured out the other day that the 23xxx builds are the ones with the start menu in the bottom left.
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23xxx, 28xxx, 25xxx, 24xxx, 22xxx... they all have the new UI. The latest one available for the COM2 branch is the 21892.
What kind of error messages are you getting out of PPCK? They just released a new update the other day, which deals with some error messages (among other things).
Lastly, what I do with the roms is to first create a folder with the rom number and who made it and then drop it in there. You may want to consider doing that

wasn't aware of the 22xxx ones, but i knew 23xxx and up were the ones that i'm not looking for. hey, i found a rom that will serve my purpose for the time being. came across the Shifu v4.2 Rom last night. it's a 21854 build. works with WAlien's M2D with Home Weather cabs also, which was my biggest concern. thanks for your help. i think i'm gonna be content with this one until i learn how to cook my own. it's got a bit of "fluff" stuff that i don't need, but it is still rather small compared to some of the other roms of similar builds that i was checking out last night. thanks for all of your help, bud! i really appreciate it.

oh, and about PPCKitchen: i'm not sure, but i'll try to run it when i get home. it's been quite a while since i tried using it, but i do remember that the day it started screwing up on me was the same day that i downloaded updates for it. maybe the updates messed it up. i'll go home and check for more updates and see if it'll run or not. i'll keep you posted. all i remember was that when the error came up, it made a loud sound that scared the crap out of me. forgot that i still had the volume turned up loud from watching movies the night before! hahaha! my wife even jumped, and she was in the kitchen, the REAL kitchen, not the rom kitchen. anyway, i'll check on that and get back to you if it's still giving me problems.