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faria's WM6 ROM is based on Orwells'1984, isn't it?

Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
Since the leak of the so called Orwells1984 WM6 beta ROM for the Wizard, a lot of home-cooked WM6 ROMs have appeared.
I tried to make clarity for myself across the different version and started doing file comparison… at the binary level
(date don't help and a lot of cooks are tempering with ROM version numbers, so that is the only way to figure differences)!
One of the many comparison I’ve done and I would like to report here is the content of the IMGFS partition of WM6’s ROMs,
namely the Orwells’1984 original leaked rom and Faria’s latest WM6 ROM named “faria-htc wizard...WWE WM6 ROM- [the real thing]”.
My findings are really surprising as a binary comparison shows that Orwells’s1984 and Faria’s WM6 share 1094 identical files.
Only 31 files present in both ROMs are different (among these are the usual suspects like initflash.dat, system.hv, user.hv,
the CommManager and a bunch of package files). The attached .ZIP file contains the detailed comparison reports for more information.
Of course, they are play more files added by Faria, that makes this ROM his very own custom ROM,
he tuned the registry settings for stability and performance, re-organized the icons, branded the ROM with his name, etc.
added no less than 403 files and removed 59 files from Orwells'1984...
... but the fact that his ROM is based on Orwells'1984 ROM like all other Wizard WM6 ROMs remains.
I used the IMGFS tools and a file comparison tool to establish these facts.
I can post the methodology on this forum if people are interested and are willing to look in these details.
--eluth.

Is your flame suit on?

and.........???
I don't know what your point is? You made a statement, but why? Where are you going with your statement?
The sky is blue. Grass is green. Now what?

Wooow
...sounds like a serious charge
Are you even sure that Orwells is the real leak ?
or it's ported from the Universal ?
...just curious

Honestly, I'm not sure that there is that much difference between Orwell's and any other WM6 ROM. The only difference I've found is that when you tap the connection manager in the top bar in Orwell's, you cannot turn off the wifi. Also, I've not been able to choose WMA files for my alarms.
What are the other functional differences?

i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com

His Point
I believe his point is that all the wm6 rom's out there is from Orwells’s1984. I think I remember faria's mentioning his wm6 cook rom is the real thing, not from Orwells’s1984 beta rom. Maybe he's trying to point that out. Interesting facts thou, love this forum.
Right now, I believe there is only 3 sources of original wm6 rom that cooks use , one is from Orwells’s1984, The First Chinese version of wm6 that surface dunno if this was from Orwells’s1984. And last would be the one from Mun that was extracted from Herms. Oh didn't see the eariler post so guess it goes back even more ..haha.

Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.

easymob said:
i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com
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Man, you're too funny
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I don't post much but I do read and get alot of information from this forum. I also get to take advantage of the hard work that Faria, Summiter and others put into creating better ROM's for our devices....
But your comment is useless and contributes nothing to this forum. I strongly urge you to either keep your comments to yourself, develop your own ROM to distribute to others, and deal with the 'public', or leave this forum never to return.

To all the reader of this post, I must first emphasis on the point that I'm not trying to criticizes Faria's work or any chef's work.
This is not my point.
The fact that I have only 16 posts (actually 18 with this post ) had nothing to do with my point either.
The only thing it says is how many contributions I did to xda-developer as a forum, which is very little, I agree.
Neither itdoes reflect how many post I read since I joined, nor my knowledge in the field.
Initially, I'm a simple user of Microsoft's and they some chef's ROM.
With all the talks around WM6, I started experimenting in ROM cooking and naturally,
I asked myself, like many other readers of this forum, what are the differences and benefits with all the new WM6 ROMs popping up...
What I did differently, is I devised my own methodology to understand commonalities and differences, by extracting files from ROMs,
dumping registries, doing comparison of files and registries...
What I'm trying to reflect here is (you got exactly my point g0dblissyou) that all the Wizard WM6 ROMs out there have a common ancestor,
which is Orwells’s1984, including Faria's WM6 ROM.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, and again I want to acknowledge and recognize Faria's great work.
No doubt it's hard work, and it takes a long time to polish a ROM.
He did a great job in all the ROMs he released (I used some and I liked them).
He clearly did contribute immensely to this community, and for that I'm thankful.
I just don't understand why Faria claims in multiple occasions that this ROM IS NOT BASED
on Orwell's when, based on my observations, this is clearly INEXACT.
I'm not trying to judge, attack or hurt anyone. I'm just stating facts.
Again, the only point I'm trying to make is,
Claims that Faria's WM6 ROM has nothing to do with Orwells'1984 are greatly exaggerated.
--eluth.

I'm going to state this publicly and once...
If you have a problem with the claims of another member (senior, junior or otherwise), take it up with that member through a PM BEFORE you post publicly. If you aren't satisfied, take it up with a moderator, and if you aren't satisfied with that response, bring it to the attention of the rest of the forum.
Request: Mods, all posts in this that do not pertain to technical issues related differences between the WM6 ROM's in question should be closely watched.

nottoosmart said:
Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.
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I think his point was that faria claimed this...
"THIS rom has no parts from any current wm6 rom,this is a real WWE wizard rom ,all the parts needed to make it as a full rom were sourced from my 3.3."
When that is infact not the case, if this is true. If you dont make such claims, there will be nothing for others to complain about.

i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!

how many files does orwells rom have with other wm5 and wm6 roms? i guarantee its a very high percent. Its not like these people are taking windows and making macs, they're improving on a product.
I see what you're saying but so many people have and enjoy farias rom that i dont think you're comment was in line

bachikho said:
i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
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Ok, stop there... Don't start speculating and making assumptions like this. Do you know how many PM's Faria gets every day? Do you know how many posts in a single day were posted in his thread for the new rom? Do you know how much of a life Faria has outside XDA-Developers? Has Faria answered every single post in his threads? (remember, he has more than one ROM out and then there are multiple posts started about his rom also). If you also read his posts, he indicated a couple of times he could not discuss certain aspects of how he got the code base that he started with, so if you did ask, it was most likely after that was stated, so why should he answer it again (and again and again and again) when so many people here won't read a single page in front of the one they are posting on.
Geez, you ask a question and don't get a response so now you claim its a conspiracy / cover-up (ok, you didn't say that, but you are sure implying it here with your comment quoted above).
I've thought about dabbling in cooking roms, but now that I see the appreciation people get (not just this thread but in others like the threads for the rom releases themselves) I honestly don't think I'd want the frustration that comes with it. A LOT OF TIME and effort goes into these and then people nit pick and demand and demand and demand more. Not even mentioning where I see this thread heading.

I checked the bin diffs. If this was in fact a new ROM Microsoft standards would have at least update the version resources. I'm confused now because the greatest Wizard ROM chef is called into question. Jose, I know how much work and testing you put into your ROMs BUT when the base binaries are the same I just get to wondering. It's no shame if you build a better mousetrap with the same tools -- as bin diff claims, but to claim a new and better source of the base build would get me killed in my KDE work. Fess up or counter now -- your credibility is in grave jeopardy.

Would you stop ?
At first I also thought it was suspicious...but then I realised that I don't even care.
And you will accomplish absolutely nothing by backbiting somebody.
I say stop here and delete this thread. What if the one in questioning was you ?
After long, hard, FREE work done for this comunity(1220 posts, sounds heavy to me, in only 1 year+countless PM's),
suddenly some guy launches a rumour...and the news is spreading ... My question is :
How would you feel ?
I rest my case here.
This is nonsense talk,
I don't care if it's a true WM6 core or not,
this will bring no good for the comunity

STOP IT!!!!!!
This thread is crap. WHAT DO YOU WANT NEW OS(FOR FREE!!!!!). PAY MS 500dollars then you will know what does OS cost.
BY saying that faria would have meant that it is not like all those rom which were released recently and not the whole OS.
CLOSE this thread.

Jeeezzzz, give me a break. The OP just post his finding. He was careful enough to post this:
eluth said:
Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
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If Faria's ROM is the real CB then MS is in trouble because comparing to WM5, CB is too buggy to be the real, final product. Just because Faria is a ROM Cooker, that does not mean that nobody is allow to post an opinion or finding about his works. Do you go about everyday in life without ever question everything you've heard or seen? Last time I check this forum isn't in North Korea where as you are not allow to question everything you've heard or seen.

Why all these new WM6 ROMs?

I am a bit surprised that so many new WM6 ROMs are appearing on this board. The majority just appear to have been created using the Pandora kitchen.
The Pandora kitchen is so incredibly easy to use so why not just create your own ROM. We all have different requirements so no downloaded ROM is likely to suit anyone other than its originator.
The current Pandora kitchen is IMHO close to perfect. Cook your own it really is easy.
Provided you only flash the OS and nothing else you are no more likely to "brick" your Wizard than if you flash one of the preprepared ROMs - perhaps even less likely.

Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
I am not trying to tell you that I've got balls and super-knowledge to do that and someone else doesn't. The Pandora's Box is awesome, so is the Core Pro Kitchen also. But If it was THAT easy, MS would have also released a kitchen for every user to cook their ROM.

Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
It reminds me of all these "WINXP UTILITIES AIO 2007 XP GOLD" packages that you often see.
I moderate a few boards and I do remove such things, Its not to say that what is being produced here isnt worthy of recognition, but I think it is certainly an idea to thin it a little.
For example lock the topic as soon as it is created and then have simply 1 well moderated thread for bug reports.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...

Whiterat said:
Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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i like idea of wm06 for PSP ( screen calibration specifically ).
rofl.

Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages, so was starting to question even releasing it (I may do some customizations to things, but really not sure). There are so many slight variations with minimal "custom" changes (other than splash screens) that pretty much any of these can be built by about anyone with minimal work (or thats the way it appears).
Faria and Doubleofour opened the cooking floodgates with their easy to use Kitchens. The Core and Pandora kitchens have just increased the proliferation.
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...

mfrazzz said:
...so was starting to question even releasing it...
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While the shear quantity of ROM's is, perhaps, unneeded, I for one sure hope you release the next version of XM6! Part of the internet community's ideals is reuse. I surely appreciate mfrazzz's (and the others' he built on!) ROMs.

mfrazzz said:
Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.
Thanks!!

I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.
I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)
But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.
I stop for it - and started USING my device.
BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.
Like other say: Just my 2 cent
lol

Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.
I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.
User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.
The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier

Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!

So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)

This is a simple question to answer.
Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.
You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.
Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!
Try faria's kitchen
Packages
8 Button Commanger
I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!

ExploreMN said:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.
For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.

scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day

ExploreMN said:
Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
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Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.

theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..

WizeMan said:
Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
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I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.
You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.
You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.

I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.

abasu2003 said:
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.
Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.
A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.
Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen

Modding Cooked ROMs (?)

Ok, so if this is posted elsewhere then someone kindly point me in that direction BUT the question is: If I have a cooked ROM from myself or another chef is there an easy way to break the ROM down and add in what CABs/OEMs I want for a more customized ROM? I know many may think that stealing a chef's work but truth be told there are a LOT of really great ROMs that I've tried but sometimes there are certain odds and ends that I don't ever use that take up unnecessary space and bog down my Kaiser. Nothing nearly as bad as the original AT&T bloatware(!!!!) but still! lol xD
So yeah, I've toyed w/ BuildOS but I've only made seriously outdated ROMs () and have about decided to give up my attempts at serious cooking since there are 50,000 new bases out eek and I just can't seem to keep updated but on that note, if someone knows a good place to find some WM6.5 cooking info then that'd be appreciated too! =D
But the original question still stands, any way to break down the OS and edit the guts?
Thanks in advance!

By the way...
I have searched around for this but I haven't found a seemingly definite answer (at least not a clear and easy one lol)
Just didn't want anyone stumbling across this and being all like "Search!!"
Anyways, thanks again in advance!

sure you can break down a chef's ROM and add your own stuff in by extracting the ROM and then putting in your own packages or setting CABs to run during the customization process but don't take a Chef's work add some stuff and then release your own ROM.

what a nice dream !
the only thing you can do is break down the ship rom as it's unlocked, or else wait for the chefs to release their kitchen like I did. you can find my kitchen with build 20765 for kaiser at pdaviet.net, under the box pdaviet rom for Kaiser
good luck !

Lol
Yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it as my own =P
Basically I have the Phoenix 2 and think about the new PDAVIET ROM but P2 has some quirks that I'd like to tweak.
So, I've dumped my ROM straight from my phone so guess I need to head on over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066 and go from there, ey?
And any ideas why the Kitchen Wiki hasn't been updated to include Titanium info? I love how outdated the Wiki has become lol All 2006-early 2008 stuff =P Crazy how much has changed since WM6

Haha, Thanks!
medkid said:
what a nice dream !
the only thing you can do is break down the ship rom as it's unlocked, or else wait for the chefs to release their kitchen like I did. you can find my kitchen with build 20765 for kaiser at pdaviet.net, under the box pdaviet rom for Kaiser
good luck !
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Lol How funny. I posted my last message before noticing you added this. Lol I mentioned your ROM and then come back to check this thread and BOOM! you're posted ABOVE me lol I love it lol
Anyways, speaking of love, I think I love you lol basically I've been looking for updated kitchens and if this base is the one I've been looking for then I'll be ecstatic!
Off to look @ it I go! xD
Thanks fellas!

You should be able to break it and play with it in kaiser kitchen as long as rgu files are intact! In some cases, you might not be able to do it in kaiser kitchen, for those ROM's I used ROMDonald's (mod to kaiser) to break down and add stuff! But some of them like PDACorner, cant break them down no matter what!
Also there is a htc ROM tool, that tool lets you delete and add stuff without even breaking it down! I havent tried it myself, but I have heard it works.

HTCOmega said:
Yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it as my own =P
Basically I have the Phoenix 2 and think about the new PDAVIET ROM but P2 has some quirks that I'd like to tweak.
So, I've dumped my ROM straight from my phone so guess I need to head on over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066 and go from there, ey?
And any ideas why the Kitchen Wiki hasn't been updated to include Titanium info? I love how outdated the Wiki has become lol All 2006-early 2008 stuff =P Crazy how much has changed since WM6
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Well, if you're talking about PDAViet P2, isn't that 6.5?
Because Phoenix II is 6.1...

Clarification
Yeah, P2 is 6.1 and the new PDAVIET is 6.5
I'm currently using P2 and really love it but I've bogged it down w/ extra stuff and my TouchFlo is constantly locking up and bugging me. It drives me crazy that I have to soft reset like I do and that it deletes a lot of my texts when I do so. I can only imagine that when Tmail is open and my SMS is onscreen and my phone locks up that when I soft reset that it erases all the texts since the last soft reset. It's seriously irritating. Not the ROM's fault but would like to pull chunks out to give me more room and speed.
I've played w/ a 6.5 ROM before and had mixed feelings about it. If I was truly worried about speed then I'd flash a simple stock-based ROM w/ the original HTC Home but it's ugly I seriously prefer M2D or Titanium.
Anyways, I dont expect the chefs to make personalized ROMs for me and seeing as I epic fail at cooking ROMs from scratch then I'm just trying to dig around for ways to incorporate personalization to the actual ROM instead of manually installing all of the additional stuff.
MedKid: I can't read (Vietnamese?) the instructions under your Kitchen posting on your site and Yahoo obviously isn't smart enough to auto-translate it since it popped an error when I asked it to translate. So. Care to translate for me, please?
Well alright folks, I appreciate it. I'm going to go see if I can tinker w/ MedKid's Kitchen for a few to see if I can get this thing running. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe if I can make something out of this then starting from scratch wont be so hard from now on.
T.I.A.!

HTCOmega said:
Yeah, P2 is 6.1 and the new PDAVIET is 6.5
I'm currently using P2 and really love it but I've bogged it down w/ extra stuff and my TouchFlo is constantly locking up and bugging me. It drives me crazy that I have to soft reset like I do and that it deletes a lot of my texts when I do so. I can only imagine that when Tmail is open and my SMS is onscreen and my phone locks up that when I soft reset that it erases all the texts since the last soft reset. It's seriously irritating. Not the ROM's fault but would like to pull chunks out to give me more room and speed.
I've played w/ a 6.5 ROM before and had mixed feelings about it. If I was truly worried about speed then I'd flash a simple stock-based ROM w/ the original HTC Home but it's ugly I seriously prefer M2D or Titanium.
Anyways, I dont expect the chefs to make personalized ROMs for me and seeing as I epic fail at cooking ROMs from scratch then I'm just trying to dig around for ways to incorporate personalization to the actual ROM instead of manually installing all of the additional stuff.
MedKid: I can't read (Vietnamese?) the instructions under your Kitchen posting on your site and Yahoo obviously isn't smart enough to auto-translate it since it popped an error when I asked it to translate. So. Care to translate for me, please?
Well alright folks, I appreciate it. I'm going to go see if I can tinker w/ MedKid's Kitchen for a few to see if I can get this thing running. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe if I can make something out of this then starting from scratch wont be so hard from now on.
T.I.A.!
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Maybe you should bring your problems over to PDC for the crew to analyze? And your thoughts for P3. Because your issues with P2 are NOT normal.

PDC
Just left from over at PDC but may stop back by and give lay this on the PDC crew.
Like I said, I've loaded my phone down so it's very likely the TF issues are solely caused by lack of operating memory to the point of a lock-up. It IS Windows-based, after all lol
Does anyone remember the "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" error? Yeah, think my lock-up is the WinCE version lol
It's wonderful, it really is.
Anyways, it'll either be today or tomorrow when I lay this on PDC.
Thanks for the help ::thumbs up::

It all depends on how the ROM was build as to wether you can dump it and re-build it with your own tweaks. Chefs can protect their ROMs to prevent dumping, in which case you will find it hard work.
It's probably easier just to add CABs to the cooked ROM.
Ta
Dave

you just need to find out how to create os.nb.payload from any htc ship rom for kai ser or any of my roms, put this os.nb.payload in to ROM folder in my kitchen and that's it, you have a full kitchen 20765 for kaiser. Every tools you need is there in my kitchen, but you'll have to install net cf 2.0 and microsoft C++ 2008 into your pc (both of them are found in that thread of pdaviet)
after you have a full kitchen, just double click on build rom.bat and wait 5 minutes, voila your rom ruu_signed.nbh is created in FLASH, now plug in your cable and flash it to your device.
google "bepe new kitchen tool" to take a look at his flash tutorial on how to create a rom, how to use this new kind of kitchen
that's all you need, I can not explain more, you have to try and look for the answer , google is your good friend in this case.

Now that aughta work!
Thanks Med. I've currently got Anyrl's latest kitchen, your kitchen, BuildOS and one other, I think. And I've yet to make a half-decent ROM since WM6 some time back in early 08 lol I'm disappointed in myself.
Anyways, I appreciate all the help from you guys. This might be a handy thread to keep open but if a Mod feels like it then feel free to close it.
Thanks again!

M2D ROM compatibility

hey folks, i've been hunting around and trying ROMs for quite a while now. and for about 2 months i've been trying to get my hands on a particular ROM. what i'm looking for is a WM 6.5 ROM (NOT 6.5.x; i want the start menu in the top left corner, not the bottom left) that is absolutely BARE NAKED, nothing but the operating system and absolute system necessities, and not much else, if anything. i have cabs for all programs that i use. one other stipulation is that i have WAlien's M2D and weather localisation cabs and i need a ROM that i can install this on. i've been trying to learn how to cook on my own, but i can't seem to find a learning friendly kitchen. and the instructions might as well be written in Chinese for all the sense i can make of them. too much technical terms used that i don't understand. i'd love to build my own, but it's just not an option right now. anyway, just wanted to know if anyone would happen to know where i can find a ROM that meets these criteria, or if some wonderfully kind chef out there might cook me one up? either one would make me friggin EXTACIC! i don't like the WM 6.5.x roms, not sure why, i just don't seem to mesh well with them. anyway, if anyone could help me out, i would really appreciate it. also, if anyone could tell me what particular builds will take to WAlien's M2D cabs, that would really help in my search. i know the 23xxx builds are all the 6.5.x that i don't want, but i really don't know about any others. i believe i had a 21550 build that was running M2D with Home Weather (my big concern), but the ROM was over 100 MB, fluffed up with all sorts of programs that i would never even use. by the way, i'm using an HTC Tilt/Kaiser/Tytn II, whatever you want to call it. love the phone, but can't seem to find just the right ROM, or a decent kitchen to teach myself on. no idea what SYS or OEM files are, where to put them, what they do, or anything. i just know that they are used to cook ROMs. anyway, if some kind soul could take the time out of their day to enlighten me, i'd love to get a better grasp on this stuff. i'd actually like to take some classes on the subject, but i'd rather get my feet wet first, so i'm not going into it blind. thanks for your time, even if you can't help me, i appreciate you taking the time to see if you might be able to help.

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hey folks, i've been hunting around and trying ROMs for quite a while now. and for about 2 months i've been trying to get my hands on a particular ROM. what i'm looking for is a WM 6.5 ROM (NOT 6.5.x; i want the start menu in the top left corner, not the bottom left) that is absolutely BARE NAKED, nothing but the operating system and absolute system necessities, and not much else, if anything. i have cabs for all programs that i use. one other stipulation is that i have WAlien's M2D and weather localisation cabs and i need a ROM that i can install this on. i've been trying to learn how to cook on my own, but i can't seem to find a learning friendly kitchen. and the instructions might as well be written in Chinese for all the sense i can make of them. too much technical terms used that i don't understand. i'd love to build my own, but it's just not an option right now. anyway, just wanted to know if anyone would happen to know where i can find a ROM that meets these criteria, or if some wonderfully kind chef out there might cook me one up? either one would make me friggin EXTACIC! i don't like the WM 6.5.x roms, not sure why, i just don't seem to mesh well with them. anyway, if anyone could help me out, i would really appreciate it. also, if anyone could tell me what particular builds will take to WAlien's M2D cabs, that would really help in my search. i know the 23xxx builds are all the 6.5.x that i don't want, but i really don't know about any others. i believe i had a 21550 build that was running M2D with Home Weather (my big concern), but the ROM was over 100 MB, fluffed up with all sorts of programs that i would never even use. by the way, i'm using an HTC Tilt/Kaiser/Tytn II, whatever you want to call it. love the phone, but can't seem to find just the right ROM, or a decent kitchen to teach myself on. no idea what SYS or OEM files are, where to put them, what they do, or anything. i just know that they are used to cook ROMs. anyway, if some kind soul could take the time out of their day to enlighten me, i'd love to get a better grasp on this stuff. i'd actually like to take some classes on the subject, but i'd rather get my feet wet first, so i'm not going into it blind. thanks for your time, even if you can't help me, i appreciate you taking the time to see if you might be able to help.
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You may want to consider using spaces when you post, like having paragraphs
If you feel adventurous enough, head over to ppckitchen.org and get your kitchen and cook it yourself with all the bells and whistles (or lack thereof) that you wish.
Alternatively, go to the Kaiser section and look for something there.
FYI, the different UI has nothing to do with 6.5.X, but rather with the COM branch. You are looking for any rom of the COM2 branch (usually anything above 218XX (but always remaining in the 21XXX branches) will have the start menu on top).
I hope this helps you some.

yeah, i tend to ramble a bit. anyway, i tried ppckitchen. thouroughly unimpressed. i produced 3 roms, 2 of which worked, however, they weren't what i was looking for. didn't have much expericence at the time, and now that i know what i'm looking for, PPCK's BuildOS runs all the way through the rom building process then gives me an error. i sit there for X amount of time picking and choosing all my stuff, then sit for 10-15 more minutes, and now after that, it just gives me an error every time. it's been a while since i even thought about messing with it again. i can't even remember exactly what the error message was. thanks for the input though.
so i need to look for builds with 21xxx then. sweet. that will help narrow down my search at least. just basically looking for something with no bells, no whistles, that will run the M2D cabs from WAlien. i had a rom a couple weeks ago that met all the criteria except for the bells and whistles, but i've been flashing so many roms looking for the right one, that they pretty much all say "KAISIMG" now and it's about impossible to remember which is which. plus, they pretty much look the same once loaded, so i don't really know until i get the results when i try to install M2D. anyway, thanks for the help with the build numbers. i'll try searching those.

i actually just figured out the other day that the 23xxx builds are the ones with the start menu in the bottom left.

clsifford said:
i actually just figured out the other day that the 23xxx builds are the ones with the start menu in the bottom left.
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23xxx, 28xxx, 25xxx, 24xxx, 22xxx... they all have the new UI. The latest one available for the COM2 branch is the 21892.
What kind of error messages are you getting out of PPCK? They just released a new update the other day, which deals with some error messages (among other things).
Lastly, what I do with the roms is to first create a folder with the rom number and who made it and then drop it in there. You may want to consider doing that

wasn't aware of the 22xxx ones, but i knew 23xxx and up were the ones that i'm not looking for. hey, i found a rom that will serve my purpose for the time being. came across the Shifu v4.2 Rom last night. it's a 21854 build. works with WAlien's M2D with Home Weather cabs also, which was my biggest concern. thanks for your help. i think i'm gonna be content with this one until i learn how to cook my own. it's got a bit of "fluff" stuff that i don't need, but it is still rather small compared to some of the other roms of similar builds that i was checking out last night. thanks for all of your help, bud! i really appreciate it.

oh, and about PPCKitchen: i'm not sure, but i'll try to run it when i get home. it's been quite a while since i tried using it, but i do remember that the day it started screwing up on me was the same day that i downloaded updates for it. maybe the updates messed it up. i'll go home and check for more updates and see if it'll run or not. i'll keep you posted. all i remember was that when the error came up, it made a loud sound that scared the crap out of me. forgot that i still had the volume turned up loud from watching movies the night before! hahaha! my wife even jumped, and she was in the kitchen, the REAL kitchen, not the rom kitchen. anyway, i'll check on that and get back to you if it's still giving me problems.

A noob needs a bitta HALP and minor decrypting :3

Well, I've recently got a Touch Pro from my brother and it's a lovely new thing to toy with, especially a windows based phone. Having owned other more 'simpler' phones, this is a lovely breath of fresh air :3 So I found out there are now better versions of Windows Mobile; 6.5. Well, anything better than 6.1 anyways.
So I cruised by the magical interwebs for a some info and I was redirected to these forums. Though only to be bombarded by a wall of [tags] that I honestly don't understand nor do I have a gist of. Basically; Lolwhut?
I've been searching around and I just need help with
|TP|6.5.5|WWE| ★ Energy Series (23554/21898) ★|Mar 30|★ Sense 2.1 / Titanium
I read the sticky, but sure, that's where stuff like the ROM or the language. In essence, I just wanna be able to distinguish what the fish it is that would be more suitable for my liking. Or at least the difference in them.
And also, could someone direct me to a very muchos dumbed down version?
P.S; Woot first post

Distinguish what fish it is? Well, I'm not so sure what you mean, but maybe you're talking about what the rom has to offer.
If so, then NRG posts a list of all the programs he use. Most of them are pretty self explanatory. I use the same ROM as above and I can tell you that they're all useful apps in one way shape or form.
Also, what is your main question in all this. Do you want help in how to flash a ROM? or do you need help trying to figure out which rom you like best?

Well, I just want to know how to differentiate the versions of releases by those chefs (as they're called I think) based on speed and stability.
In essence; yes, you can say that I do need help trying to figure out what's best.