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faria's WM6 ROM is based on Orwells'1984, isn't it?

Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
Since the leak of the so called Orwells1984 WM6 beta ROM for the Wizard, a lot of home-cooked WM6 ROMs have appeared.
I tried to make clarity for myself across the different version and started doing file comparison… at the binary level
(date don't help and a lot of cooks are tempering with ROM version numbers, so that is the only way to figure differences)!
One of the many comparison I’ve done and I would like to report here is the content of the IMGFS partition of WM6’s ROMs,
namely the Orwells’1984 original leaked rom and Faria’s latest WM6 ROM named “faria-htc wizard...WWE WM6 ROM- [the real thing]”.
My findings are really surprising as a binary comparison shows that Orwells’s1984 and Faria’s WM6 share 1094 identical files.
Only 31 files present in both ROMs are different (among these are the usual suspects like initflash.dat, system.hv, user.hv,
the CommManager and a bunch of package files). The attached .ZIP file contains the detailed comparison reports for more information.
Of course, they are play more files added by Faria, that makes this ROM his very own custom ROM,
he tuned the registry settings for stability and performance, re-organized the icons, branded the ROM with his name, etc.
added no less than 403 files and removed 59 files from Orwells'1984...
... but the fact that his ROM is based on Orwells'1984 ROM like all other Wizard WM6 ROMs remains.
I used the IMGFS tools and a file comparison tool to establish these facts.
I can post the methodology on this forum if people are interested and are willing to look in these details.
--eluth.

Is your flame suit on?

and.........???
I don't know what your point is? You made a statement, but why? Where are you going with your statement?
The sky is blue. Grass is green. Now what?

Wooow
...sounds like a serious charge
Are you even sure that Orwells is the real leak ?
or it's ported from the Universal ?
...just curious

Honestly, I'm not sure that there is that much difference between Orwell's and any other WM6 ROM. The only difference I've found is that when you tap the connection manager in the top bar in Orwell's, you cannot turn off the wifi. Also, I've not been able to choose WMA files for my alarms.
What are the other functional differences?

i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com

His Point
I believe his point is that all the wm6 rom's out there is from Orwells’s1984. I think I remember faria's mentioning his wm6 cook rom is the real thing, not from Orwells’s1984 beta rom. Maybe he's trying to point that out. Interesting facts thou, love this forum.
Right now, I believe there is only 3 sources of original wm6 rom that cooks use , one is from Orwells’s1984, The First Chinese version of wm6 that surface dunno if this was from Orwells’s1984. And last would be the one from Mun that was extracted from Herms. Oh didn't see the eariler post so guess it goes back even more ..haha.

Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.

easymob said:
i heard the orwell rom was ported from the universal but before it was on a universal it was ported from a nokia phone owned by bill gates nephews brother
so faria and others i hope you can live with the fact all your roms started life on a nokia phone
the tools i used to gather this information can be found at www.timemuchtimeonmyhands.com
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Man, you're too funny
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I don't post much but I do read and get alot of information from this forum. I also get to take advantage of the hard work that Faria, Summiter and others put into creating better ROM's for our devices....
But your comment is useless and contributes nothing to this forum. I strongly urge you to either keep your comments to yourself, develop your own ROM to distribute to others, and deal with the 'public', or leave this forum never to return.

To all the reader of this post, I must first emphasis on the point that I'm not trying to criticizes Faria's work or any chef's work.
This is not my point.
The fact that I have only 16 posts (actually 18 with this post ) had nothing to do with my point either.
The only thing it says is how many contributions I did to xda-developer as a forum, which is very little, I agree.
Neither itdoes reflect how many post I read since I joined, nor my knowledge in the field.
Initially, I'm a simple user of Microsoft's and they some chef's ROM.
With all the talks around WM6, I started experimenting in ROM cooking and naturally,
I asked myself, like many other readers of this forum, what are the differences and benefits with all the new WM6 ROMs popping up...
What I did differently, is I devised my own methodology to understand commonalities and differences, by extracting files from ROMs,
dumping registries, doing comparison of files and registries...
What I'm trying to reflect here is (you got exactly my point g0dblissyou) that all the Wizard WM6 ROMs out there have a common ancestor,
which is Orwells’s1984, including Faria's WM6 ROM.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, and again I want to acknowledge and recognize Faria's great work.
No doubt it's hard work, and it takes a long time to polish a ROM.
He did a great job in all the ROMs he released (I used some and I liked them).
He clearly did contribute immensely to this community, and for that I'm thankful.
I just don't understand why Faria claims in multiple occasions that this ROM IS NOT BASED
on Orwell's when, based on my observations, this is clearly INEXACT.
I'm not trying to judge, attack or hurt anyone. I'm just stating facts.
Again, the only point I'm trying to make is,
Claims that Faria's WM6 ROM has nothing to do with Orwells'1984 are greatly exaggerated.
--eluth.

I'm going to state this publicly and once...
If you have a problem with the claims of another member (senior, junior or otherwise), take it up with that member through a PM BEFORE you post publicly. If you aren't satisfied, take it up with a moderator, and if you aren't satisfied with that response, bring it to the attention of the rest of the forum.
Request: Mods, all posts in this that do not pertain to technical issues related differences between the WM6 ROM's in question should be closely watched.

nottoosmart said:
Well, i for one cant believe you called out one of the few, and i do stress that word, few people who are even writing these roms. I for one have spent 2 weeks of my own time working on the Vanilla rom ported from mUn's release. Which by the way is in beta test and will be hopefully released within a week or so depending on the feed back it gets. At this point, Im not even sure i want to release it publically with someone who has only 16 posts to his name. Why not try and write your own rom and make it a public release, then you will see how much time and effort goes into it. much less, the issues that everyone if quick to point out and you are expected to fix. even the ones that are M$ issues that you wont be able to fix until they release to our phones. Im not about to release this rom if people like this are going to just try and point out the fact that he didnt write the OS, which is next to impossible plus, if he had written WM6 from scratch, it wouldnt be WM6. Give it a rest and just enjoy the fact that you have a life and arent willing to spend 2 weeks doing one of the things that very few are doing. If you think you can do it better, be my guest.
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I think his point was that faria claimed this...
"THIS rom has no parts from any current wm6 rom,this is a real WWE wizard rom ,all the parts needed to make it as a full rom were sourced from my 3.3."
When that is infact not the case, if this is true. If you dont make such claims, there will be nothing for others to complain about.

i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!

how many files does orwells rom have with other wm5 and wm6 roms? i guarantee its a very high percent. Its not like these people are taking windows and making macs, they're improving on a product.
I see what you're saying but so many people have and enjoy farias rom that i dont think you're comment was in line

bachikho said:
i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
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Ok, stop there... Don't start speculating and making assumptions like this. Do you know how many PM's Faria gets every day? Do you know how many posts in a single day were posted in his thread for the new rom? Do you know how much of a life Faria has outside XDA-Developers? Has Faria answered every single post in his threads? (remember, he has more than one ROM out and then there are multiple posts started about his rom also). If you also read his posts, he indicated a couple of times he could not discuss certain aspects of how he got the code base that he started with, so if you did ask, it was most likely after that was stated, so why should he answer it again (and again and again and again) when so many people here won't read a single page in front of the one they are posting on.
Geez, you ask a question and don't get a response so now you claim its a conspiracy / cover-up (ok, you didn't say that, but you are sure implying it here with your comment quoted above).
I've thought about dabbling in cooking roms, but now that I see the appreciation people get (not just this thread but in others like the threads for the rom releases themselves) I honestly don't think I'd want the frustration that comes with it. A LOT OF TIME and effort goes into these and then people nit pick and demand and demand and demand more. Not even mentioning where I see this thread heading.

I checked the bin diffs. If this was in fact a new ROM Microsoft standards would have at least update the version resources. I'm confused now because the greatest Wizard ROM chef is called into question. Jose, I know how much work and testing you put into your ROMs BUT when the base binaries are the same I just get to wondering. It's no shame if you build a better mousetrap with the same tools -- as bin diff claims, but to claim a new and better source of the base build would get me killed in my KDE work. Fess up or counter now -- your credibility is in grave jeopardy.

Would you stop ?
At first I also thought it was suspicious...but then I realised that I don't even care.
And you will accomplish absolutely nothing by backbiting somebody.
I say stop here and delete this thread. What if the one in questioning was you ?
After long, hard, FREE work done for this comunity(1220 posts, sounds heavy to me, in only 1 year+countless PM's),
suddenly some guy launches a rumour...and the news is spreading ... My question is :
How would you feel ?
I rest my case here.
This is nonsense talk,
I don't care if it's a true WM6 core or not,
this will bring no good for the comunity

STOP IT!!!!!!
This thread is crap. WHAT DO YOU WANT NEW OS(FOR FREE!!!!!). PAY MS 500dollars then you will know what does OS cost.
BY saying that faria would have meant that it is not like all those rom which were released recently and not the whole OS.
CLOSE this thread.

Jeeezzzz, give me a break. The OP just post his finding. He was careful enough to post this:
eluth said:
Preliminary Note: to Faria and others – please don’t take this email as a criticism of your work.
I assure you It is not. I also want to thank Faria and all the chefs – I learn a lot dissecting their great work.
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If Faria's ROM is the real CB then MS is in trouble because comparing to WM5, CB is too buggy to be the real, final product. Just because Faria is a ROM Cooker, that does not mean that nobody is allow to post an opinion or finding about his works. Do you go about everyday in life without ever question everything you've heard or seen? Last time I check this forum isn't in North Korea where as you are not allow to question everything you've heard or seen.

Thanks...

(Mods - feel free to delete in a few days )
I just got my new TyTn today, so I started browsing the Hermes forum and grabbed a base OS to start playing with. I wasn't overly pleased with what i was seeing. Pride and ego seem to be the prevailant theme, and I hope it never infects this group.
It reminded me that I want to thank everyone for being excellent contributers. I've found nearly everyone curtious and very helpful . On a scale of 1 to 10, I rank this forum as a 9+. I can't say the same for others
I'll still maintain the Kitchen thread, though I'll have to rely on input for the OS improvements since I won't have any hardware to flash. Hopefully it's nearly done. If there's a big issue, feel free to PM me if an needed.
*sigh* Is a faster phone worth it? Damn, I hope so...

Are you keeping your wizard? I did and tradee off every day.

Already have a buyer - gotta offset the cost of the new toy

Hey Matt, thanks for all of your hard work on the ROMS and kitchens and good luck with the new phone.

mattk_r said:
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I just got my new TyTn today, so I started browsing the Hermes forum and grabbed a base OS to start playing with. I wasn't overly pleased with what i was seeing. Pride and ego seem to be the prevailant theme, and I hope it never infects this group.
It reminded me that I want to thank everyone for being excellent contributers. I've found nearly everyone curtious and very helpful . On a scale of 1 to 10, I rank this forum as a 9+. I can't say the same for others
I'll still maintain the Kitchen thread, though I'll have to rely on input for the OS improvements since I won't have any hardware to flash. Hopefully it's nearly done. If there's a big issue, feel free to PM me if an needed.
*sigh* Is a faster phone worth it? Damn, I hope so...
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Regarding the Hermes forum...i think that as long as you don't ask any questions at all, and know a little bit of this and that...it could be pretty funny...in a sick sadistic way
Considering you own a hermes now...maybe you want to take a look at my Hermes kitchen and suggest a few changes .. considering i don't have one...and some people reported errors...some didn't so i wouldn't know what's wrong or how to improve it.

mattk_r said:
Already have a buyer - gotta offset the cost of the new toy
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That wizard of you must of worth a fortune... like a Stradivarius violin
It`s the device that made the superb kitchen possible and solved us endless bugs...
It should of been sold as chef mattk`s device not like just another wizard.
Thank You for your contribution, i am amazed how much work you did.
YOU did bring us closer, because you shared everything you made this forum so much better.
Thank You again!

My next phone is the Athena.

anichillus said:
Regarding the Hermes forum...i think that as long as you don't ask any questions at all, and know a little bit of this and that...it could be pretty funny...in a sick sadistic way
Considering you own a hermes now...maybe you want to take a look at my Hermes kitchen and suggest a few changes .. considering i don't have one...and some people reported errors...some didn't so i wouldn't know what's wrong or how to improve it.
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I'd be happy to do so. Is it like the Core kitchen?

mattk_r said:
I'd be happy to do so. Is it like the Core kitchen?
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It is the Core kitchen adapted for the Hermes...a little step more advanced.
The latest is the Artemis Core Kitchen..which is the more advanced(couple of bug fixed and some remakes)...and i will have to make one that will work for all (well..not all but most....you know what i mean).
BTW...you're lucky ...i want a hermes too
Have fun with your new toy

i flashed a hermes for a buddy yesteday and must say the process was alot longer but not all that difficult. there are some nice roms out for the hermes, but i agree that forums there are almost worse than what they were here last year when some of the wizard chefs were leaving

Ditto on thanks for all your hard work and patience with people. I also have a Hermes so will see you on the other side...

I agree, it's WAS bit more of a process. BUT - I already have it to where there's LESS steps to cook and flash a Hermes than the way the bepe based kitchens do And it's only my first few hours playing

Congrats on the new phone, matt. Sorry to lose a good cook.. Thanks for all the help... Still see you around though as I browse all forums to see all the gadgets here...

Hey Matt, thank you for all the hard work and personal time you spent to bring good ROM's and kitchens here. I have been using Pandora v3.2 since 6/22 and haven't had a need need or much of a desire to flash another ROM.
Enjoy your new toy.

Sorry to see you go...
Congratulations on the new Hermes. Thanks for all you have done to this part of the forum. Good luck cooking for those lucky Hermes people who now have a great person with them!

Hey Matt....sorry to see you go also
I switch to at&t a month a go and I've been using my Blackjack. I didn't think I was gonna like it but its working out really well. WM5 , Quick and reliable though .
My next device is that Kaiser...I initially wanted the Tytn but decided to wait.
I'm selling my device cuz I'm a flash junky.
Thanks for the ROMz and hard work.
You've been great to deal with .... see ya around the forum.

Thanks Matt
Man,
Now I have to get a Hermes.
Anyways thanks for all the great input and help. But please do stop by once in a while to check up on things.

Ranger666 said:
Man,
Now I have to get a Hermes.
Anyways thanks for all the great input and help. But please do stop by once in a while to check up on things.
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ya please do...you have done so much for us here and me also...you basically held my hand as i recently coocked my first rom...i feel so accomplished lol...but thanks alot really...

Dude, congrats for your new toy, I think I'll follow (I have phone upgrade from my provider next month)

Ranger666 said:
Man,
Now I have to get a Hermes.
Anyways thanks for all the great input and help. But please do stop by once in a while to check up on things.
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I'll second this. I didn't want to get a Hermes, was going to wait for one of the new HTC Models, but who on earth wants a perfect phone.
Thanks again Matt
Regards
Tony

Rom Cooking

Hello to All,
I am starting this thread in belief that ALL you genius minds will give me the support, courage and HELP in putting me to the direction of making a customised ROM. At present, I have read a lots of WIKIs and Guides on "Rom Cooking". Even got kaiserkitchen AND Core Pro downloaded and installed. Could you please help me out in some basics here as to this kaiserkitchen and/or core pro are the right tools and softwares to start and what else do I need (In Details) as step by step. In Rom Cooking Instructions, I am unable to locate the nk.nbf file let alone extracting a ROM. As I mentioned in one of my posts earlier today that I am on holidays and would like to take this opportunity to contribute towards development of a Rom which would please most of us. I can promise that even though I am a slow learner but very devoted and very optimistic about this and got a whole week for me to start it off.
All the help is grately appreciated. I maybe a newbie but wasn't everybody else once. Hope to hear from YOU so we can get started.
Best Regards.
By the way, I have Kaiser130 and currently running HTC Official 6.1 which to be honest, does not please me much. I liked Dutty's WM6.1 Build 209 better.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1968557

XtreMe_G said:
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Thanks a million for a great start. I am going straight there. Cheers

Aye, thats the place to begin alright! Here is a link to P1Taters 4share, you get the stuff that is discussed in the tut there
http://www.4shared.com/dir/5967433/ce903350/sharing.html

Manila interface
I wonder can any body cook a ROM with manila 3D interface for kaiser

I think its time for redbandana to step into the kitchen as well. Although, my roms will probably be awful.

I`m trying to mix up some juice myself, but its comprehensive for me.. I really need to put up a day to day schedule as I find myself derailed all the time. While fixing one thing I read up on a new cool thing whit aditional 3 new problems to solve and thats how my tracks been spinning for the last 4 weeks.
No rom, but daaaam many cool .cab`s laying around

raiisak said:
I`m trying to mix up some juice myself, but its comprehensive for me.. I really need to put up a day to day schedule as I find myself derailed all the time. While fixing one thing I read up on a new cool thing whit aditional 3 new problems to solve and thats how my tracks been spinning for the last 4 weeks.
No rom, but daaaam many cool .cab`s laying around
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I think my focus will be on some of the older builds with an up to date twists. I am transferring all my files to an xp machine as we speak. Vista just confronts too many issues.

redbandana said:
I think my focus will be on some of the older builds with an up to date twists. I am transferring all my files to an xp machine as we speak. Vista just confronts too many issues.
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I should prolly get out of the mix and start scratch myself ... Pitty I am aiming for a Diamond or I would buy a 2nd Kaiser to just knock around on.

Uni Lovers, Our Developers ... Please Enter

i'm posting this thread 2 c whose with me in the idea of building the real ultimate rom for our UNIs
i mean WM6.1 with VT, speed, stability, A2DP, new BT stack ... everything
we have some great minds here guys. Tomal, Luca, VNint and Cotulla
if u guys just contact and think together, I'm sure u'll do it
So, i'm thinking of making a new thread where u guys participate ... like (think out loud) in this thread, and not just the four of u, i mean anyone can add his idea.
U can add registry keys where there's a problem to think about, add cabs .... anything
then finally the rom we're all waiting for is cooked
I want to see some response here guys .. and i want to know what our developers think too
Cheers

well... every develper or cooker has his own visions how a rom have to look like... it's not only bout the design... it's also settings and possibilities.
so i don't think it'll happen and i even don't think it shall happen. cuz when i don't like one rom i take another one and give it a try
just my 2 cents...

It may be worth doing as they have on the Athena site, and start with a clean stable base rom witha large flashdisk so people can add there own cab's and software so others can try it
How about this software to enhance mobile shell
regards
jay

and not only does everyone bring their own flavor to it, like i use my uni like a laptop so i hate things like flash disks and want not, and although im in the US and cannot utilize VT i also know that it wasnt working seince 5.0 had a betaish go in 6.0 and something i saw in efn's 6.1 but i know that it will never really be a reality in 6.1
because every cook makes their own thing, my two best working roms was efn's 2.20 and cotulla's 20757

I think the ultimate ROM has already created by Tomal v8.5!!
Time ago this subject was proposed but I think it´s dificult to get all masters together because their times and ocupations.
Anyway good luck

orb3000 said:
I think the ultimate ROM has already created by Tomal v8.5!!
Time ago this subject was proposed but I think it´s dificult to get all masters together because their times and ocupations.
Anyway good idea and good luck
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duly seconded...

Less than 1% of the peoples in the community has interest for VT so it will NEVER be a reality for Uni.
But may be you can bring some brilliant idea in other areas, where most people has interest of it. For instance, "big storage" idea brought by Cotulla.
This is really amazing idea. Somehow he has managed to resize/reformat the DOC (M-Systems chip) area.
I've couple of PM's to consider it. But I'll not work on this unless Cotulla allows others to work on. But here is the principle:
The NK.EXE (of Cotulla's rom) is responsible for resizing the DOC. You can use any ROM once the resizing is done and the storage area will be same (extended) for every rom. But you need to make sure that the rom image you're using is fitting into the allocated area or it will be resulting an unsuccessful (rom) update.
Furthermore, someone can build a tool to do the DOC resizing/repartitioning as Mamaich has build one for BA couple of years back.
cheers

Thanx 4 replying everyone
there's another idea though
how about they don't make the rom together, but just solve the problems together and everyone of them just ontinue building his roms the way he likes
so, we'll get a variety of well cooked roms
like what Tomal said about the storage idea of cotulla. I think we all like it and want it in every rom
they may solve other robelms too, like the speed issues. I really don't like it when my friend's Magician is faster than mine (believe me thats true) in applications an games
and hopefully they will also get the VT working cause its just not fair that we have it and can't use it even if alot of us are not interested
BTW, Tomal, I don't understand what u said about cotulla's storage thing

For mee too Tomal's 8.5 Standard edition is almost perfect. My standard battery pack can withstand for 4 days now(Approx 30 mins GSM calls a day). Stable and fast.

Every developer has his own opinion what is good and what is bad...
If you make a "perfect" ROM. What does that mean? Take four devs and everyone has his own idea for one feature. The "perfect" ROM will be a mixture of four minds. And this one will be crap. Just because it will be the minimal consensus...

Chosen_One said:
Every developer has his own opinion what is good and what is bad...
If you make a "perfect" ROM. What does that mean? Take four devs and everyone has his own idea for one feature. The "perfect" ROM will be a mixture of four minds. And this one will be crap. Just because it will be the minimal consensus...
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I agree.
And every developed ROM some users like, and others don't. Some stick to the previous ROM by a developer, and other users prefer other ROM's... That's what I love about xda-developers is the diversity. I see others enjoying ROM's they like. I'd hate to enforce my likes on others. We all have different needs and uses for our UNI's. I'm sure those that need VT would like to see something developed for them - even if the rest of us disliked the ROM for other reasons.
The ROM I choose is the best for me... it's not necessarily the best ROM (...although I vote it is )
We have speed and stability... Bring on diversity! Let's keep the Uni colourful, let's have the choice! (Where's the button for "freedom of choice!" ).
However with developers that we have/had... Beasty, Leo, VNInt, luca15thebig, Tomal, EFN, FrankZ, No3ulla, rDosti, ThingOnASpring, JWRights, nncuong, PhamQuang, minhantratan... others I forget to mention... I think development continues with no worries. I'm amazed at what ROM I'm looking at on my second-hand Uni!! (considering it's upbringing from WM5, a sub-£100 machine, and no prospect of an upgrade).
nagoo1, what exactly is it you're needing the Uni to do?

i need it to have VT , to respond faster and to have a rom with no issues
and i want it to be smaller (u guys don't deliver this kind of service, do u ?!!!)

VT???
I must have missed it, but what h... is VT? What does it stand for and what does it add to our Universal?

jfcc58 said:
I must have missed it, but what h... is VT? What does it stand for and what does it add to our Universal?
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VT = video telephony ... which isn't available at WM6

13 ?!!!!
just 13 gave thier opinion .. is that all ?
where r our developers?

They are busy cooking ROM`s

Modding Cooked ROMs (?)

Ok, so if this is posted elsewhere then someone kindly point me in that direction BUT the question is: If I have a cooked ROM from myself or another chef is there an easy way to break the ROM down and add in what CABs/OEMs I want for a more customized ROM? I know many may think that stealing a chef's work but truth be told there are a LOT of really great ROMs that I've tried but sometimes there are certain odds and ends that I don't ever use that take up unnecessary space and bog down my Kaiser. Nothing nearly as bad as the original AT&T bloatware(!!!!) but still! lol xD
So yeah, I've toyed w/ BuildOS but I've only made seriously outdated ROMs () and have about decided to give up my attempts at serious cooking since there are 50,000 new bases out eek and I just can't seem to keep updated but on that note, if someone knows a good place to find some WM6.5 cooking info then that'd be appreciated too! =D
But the original question still stands, any way to break down the OS and edit the guts?
Thanks in advance!

By the way...
I have searched around for this but I haven't found a seemingly definite answer (at least not a clear and easy one lol)
Just didn't want anyone stumbling across this and being all like "Search!!"
Anyways, thanks again in advance!

sure you can break down a chef's ROM and add your own stuff in by extracting the ROM and then putting in your own packages or setting CABs to run during the customization process but don't take a Chef's work add some stuff and then release your own ROM.

what a nice dream !
the only thing you can do is break down the ship rom as it's unlocked, or else wait for the chefs to release their kitchen like I did. you can find my kitchen with build 20765 for kaiser at pdaviet.net, under the box pdaviet rom for Kaiser
good luck !

Lol
Yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it as my own =P
Basically I have the Phoenix 2 and think about the new PDAVIET ROM but P2 has some quirks that I'd like to tweak.
So, I've dumped my ROM straight from my phone so guess I need to head on over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066 and go from there, ey?
And any ideas why the Kitchen Wiki hasn't been updated to include Titanium info? I love how outdated the Wiki has become lol All 2006-early 2008 stuff =P Crazy how much has changed since WM6

Haha, Thanks!
medkid said:
what a nice dream !
the only thing you can do is break down the ship rom as it's unlocked, or else wait for the chefs to release their kitchen like I did. you can find my kitchen with build 20765 for kaiser at pdaviet.net, under the box pdaviet rom for Kaiser
good luck !
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Lol How funny. I posted my last message before noticing you added this. Lol I mentioned your ROM and then come back to check this thread and BOOM! you're posted ABOVE me lol I love it lol
Anyways, speaking of love, I think I love you lol basically I've been looking for updated kitchens and if this base is the one I've been looking for then I'll be ecstatic!
Off to look @ it I go! xD
Thanks fellas!

You should be able to break it and play with it in kaiser kitchen as long as rgu files are intact! In some cases, you might not be able to do it in kaiser kitchen, for those ROM's I used ROMDonald's (mod to kaiser) to break down and add stuff! But some of them like PDACorner, cant break them down no matter what!
Also there is a htc ROM tool, that tool lets you delete and add stuff without even breaking it down! I havent tried it myself, but I have heard it works.

HTCOmega said:
Yeah, I didn't plan on releasing it as my own =P
Basically I have the Phoenix 2 and think about the new PDAVIET ROM but P2 has some quirks that I'd like to tweak.
So, I've dumped my ROM straight from my phone so guess I need to head on over to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337066 and go from there, ey?
And any ideas why the Kitchen Wiki hasn't been updated to include Titanium info? I love how outdated the Wiki has become lol All 2006-early 2008 stuff =P Crazy how much has changed since WM6
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Well, if you're talking about PDAViet P2, isn't that 6.5?
Because Phoenix II is 6.1...

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Yeah, P2 is 6.1 and the new PDAVIET is 6.5
I'm currently using P2 and really love it but I've bogged it down w/ extra stuff and my TouchFlo is constantly locking up and bugging me. It drives me crazy that I have to soft reset like I do and that it deletes a lot of my texts when I do so. I can only imagine that when Tmail is open and my SMS is onscreen and my phone locks up that when I soft reset that it erases all the texts since the last soft reset. It's seriously irritating. Not the ROM's fault but would like to pull chunks out to give me more room and speed.
I've played w/ a 6.5 ROM before and had mixed feelings about it. If I was truly worried about speed then I'd flash a simple stock-based ROM w/ the original HTC Home but it's ugly I seriously prefer M2D or Titanium.
Anyways, I dont expect the chefs to make personalized ROMs for me and seeing as I epic fail at cooking ROMs from scratch then I'm just trying to dig around for ways to incorporate personalization to the actual ROM instead of manually installing all of the additional stuff.
MedKid: I can't read (Vietnamese?) the instructions under your Kitchen posting on your site and Yahoo obviously isn't smart enough to auto-translate it since it popped an error when I asked it to translate. So. Care to translate for me, please?
Well alright folks, I appreciate it. I'm going to go see if I can tinker w/ MedKid's Kitchen for a few to see if I can get this thing running. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe if I can make something out of this then starting from scratch wont be so hard from now on.
T.I.A.!

HTCOmega said:
Yeah, P2 is 6.1 and the new PDAVIET is 6.5
I'm currently using P2 and really love it but I've bogged it down w/ extra stuff and my TouchFlo is constantly locking up and bugging me. It drives me crazy that I have to soft reset like I do and that it deletes a lot of my texts when I do so. I can only imagine that when Tmail is open and my SMS is onscreen and my phone locks up that when I soft reset that it erases all the texts since the last soft reset. It's seriously irritating. Not the ROM's fault but would like to pull chunks out to give me more room and speed.
I've played w/ a 6.5 ROM before and had mixed feelings about it. If I was truly worried about speed then I'd flash a simple stock-based ROM w/ the original HTC Home but it's ugly I seriously prefer M2D or Titanium.
Anyways, I dont expect the chefs to make personalized ROMs for me and seeing as I epic fail at cooking ROMs from scratch then I'm just trying to dig around for ways to incorporate personalization to the actual ROM instead of manually installing all of the additional stuff.
MedKid: I can't read (Vietnamese?) the instructions under your Kitchen posting on your site and Yahoo obviously isn't smart enough to auto-translate it since it popped an error when I asked it to translate. So. Care to translate for me, please?
Well alright folks, I appreciate it. I'm going to go see if I can tinker w/ MedKid's Kitchen for a few to see if I can get this thing running. I'll keep you guys updated. Maybe if I can make something out of this then starting from scratch wont be so hard from now on.
T.I.A.!
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Maybe you should bring your problems over to PDC for the crew to analyze? And your thoughts for P3. Because your issues with P2 are NOT normal.

PDC
Just left from over at PDC but may stop back by and give lay this on the PDC crew.
Like I said, I've loaded my phone down so it's very likely the TF issues are solely caused by lack of operating memory to the point of a lock-up. It IS Windows-based, after all lol
Does anyone remember the "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" error? Yeah, think my lock-up is the WinCE version lol
It's wonderful, it really is.
Anyways, it'll either be today or tomorrow when I lay this on PDC.
Thanks for the help ::thumbs up::

It all depends on how the ROM was build as to wether you can dump it and re-build it with your own tweaks. Chefs can protect their ROMs to prevent dumping, in which case you will find it hard work.
It's probably easier just to add CABs to the cooked ROM.
Ta
Dave

you just need to find out how to create os.nb.payload from any htc ship rom for kai ser or any of my roms, put this os.nb.payload in to ROM folder in my kitchen and that's it, you have a full kitchen 20765 for kaiser. Every tools you need is there in my kitchen, but you'll have to install net cf 2.0 and microsoft C++ 2008 into your pc (both of them are found in that thread of pdaviet)
after you have a full kitchen, just double click on build rom.bat and wait 5 minutes, voila your rom ruu_signed.nbh is created in FLASH, now plug in your cable and flash it to your device.
google "bepe new kitchen tool" to take a look at his flash tutorial on how to create a rom, how to use this new kind of kitchen
that's all you need, I can not explain more, you have to try and look for the answer , google is your good friend in this case.

Now that aughta work!
Thanks Med. I've currently got Anyrl's latest kitchen, your kitchen, BuildOS and one other, I think. And I've yet to make a half-decent ROM since WM6 some time back in early 08 lol I'm disappointed in myself.
Anyways, I appreciate all the help from you guys. This might be a handy thread to keep open but if a Mod feels like it then feel free to close it.
Thanks again!