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WM 5.0 installation question from a new guy

Well I just got my iMate a couple of weeks ago and sold my Treo so I am now a slave to Bill once more.
My questions are regarding installation on WM, I know that in Palm, I could just copy the app file to the palm ( or cad) and it would not only run from there but would add itself to the desktop.
Can someone please explain the install process on WM, is there a registry ? Can I just drop fles in and expect them to work or is ther an install with DLL's, registry entries and so on ? If I install on to an external card and then do a hard reset, will I have to reinstall?
How is uninstall done ? I installed Destinator in the main memory which just about took up all the memory I had, and once it did not seem to work, I uninstalled it, but my main memory seemed to remain full ??? So I had to do a hard reset.
By the way, where are files tranferred via IR and BT stored on the device, can I specify another place ?
Hope someone can help me ASAP
AZ

There are three ways apps are installed on a PPC.
1) Via a setup file on your PC, it will use the ActiveSync connection to install it onto your device. You get the option to install to the memory or the card.
2) Via a CAB file on the device, you tap it, and start the install, then select internal or storage.
3) Via a program executable that you just tap to run, it is up to you where you place these files.
I usually install system apps internally, and everything else on the card. There's no real difference in speed between internal and storage under WM5 since the internal memory is also flash.
If you hard reset it, yes you will need to reinstall everything, but unless you really mess it up, you shouldn't have to. Letting the battery run down will not wipe your data as everything is in flash. There are a number of backup apps you can get, three most popular being Sunnysoft Backup, SPB Backup, and Sprite Backup. If you are new to the platform and will be tinkering, perhaps a backup of your good working config would be recommended, then after you mess it up with all the little apps you are bound to be playing with, you can restore it to it's good working state.
As for beaming, I believe it simply places new files in the My Documents folder, the only way you can change this is by the registry if it's even possible.

Some more info regarding installs?
I was also woneing where such things as favorites, voice dial recordings and others are saved, is it possible to back these up seperately ?

those are in the /Documents folder. And recordings are inside the /Document/Notes

Why doesn't microsofts own software have a exit button?

I think every software that i DL have a meny option "Exit" but microsofts own software thats included in the phone don't have this. I have to use task manager to quit this software. or Im i missing someting?

There's lots of software to do this eg Xbutton etc

yes maybe but why do they do it?

jonas18z said:
yes maybe but why do they do it?
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Because they're Microsoft. That should be enough explanation. Actually, their explanation is that they consider it is more memory efficient to leave programs in memory and let windows allocate the memory itself.

^ what he said. Microsoft wants so much to demonstrate that these phones are perfectly capable of multitasking that someone on the higher end decided that all programs shall remain open.
Causes all types of problems if this is done for a prolonged period - Note to M$: you can't just port winDOS code to mobile and hope it works.

think old wm devices were slower for some of those mem loading tasks
and in general people were using the same applications again and again
in which case it was easier to minimize them
an application you start ONLY! use as much mem as it was written to use
so if it use 2MB it dont run any faster if you have a pda with 2GB
and if WM starts to get low on mem it itself will unallocate memory from programs which havent been access'd for awhile so the program which require the mem can have it
this is why you dont normaly get an outof mem error with alot of applications running

and if WM starts to get low on mem it itself will unallocate memory from programs which havent been access'd for awhile so the program which require the mem can have it
this is why you dont normaly get an outof mem error with alot of applications running
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This has been proven to be patently false, I believe. WM2002 had out of memory errors. WM2003 won't allow anymore programs to run, and WM5 just hangs. Apparently M$ has a very, um, questionable definition about which program "hasn't been in use for awhile".

me too experienced out of mem errors repeatedly, usually it's enough to exit internet explorer which i use from time to time (it starts faster then opera and minimo)

Read this: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/10/05/The-Emperor-Has-No-Close.aspx

the only microsoft application i've seen that actually closed and that had 'exit' option was comm manager i used for about a year. yesterday i changed rom (from 1.6.2.4 to T-Mobile 2.26 ROM) and i see that this mistake is corrected - the new comm manager present in this rom also has exit button, but as well as 'x' button it only minimises it. way to go M$! ;]

Is Opera a killer?

Hi.
I ve a Touch Pro with much ram. I can run many program at same time without problems (tomtom, newsbreak, palringo, etc). But when I run Opera many programs are closed / killed. I ve debugged it with my own program and Its the tipical way used by Windows same years old when a program requested much memory and needed to close others. So:
1) Windows sends (shoots) other programs with WM_CLOSE messages
2) After some seconds Windows Kills the programs that refused to close.
But It doesnt happens after soft reset. Only after several hours. Maybe because the memory is fragmented and Windows cant allocate a contigous chunck of memory to satisfy Opera.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Dani

danielherrero said:
Hi.
I ve a Touch Pro with much ram. I can run many program at same time without problems (tomtom, newsbreak, palringo, etc). But when I run Opera many programs are closed / killed. I ve debugged it with my own program and Its the tipical way used by Windows same years old when a program requested much memory and needed to close others. So:
1) Windows sends (shoots) other programs with WM_CLOSE messages
2) After some seconds Windows Kills the programs that refused to close.
But It doesnt happens after soft reset. Only after several hours. Maybe because the memory is fragmented and Windows cant allocate a contigous chunck of memory to satisfy Opera.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Dani
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HTC Task manager by default (i think) will "autokill" programs. Install advanced config and disable the autokill setting on the task manager with it. do a soft reset and it shouldnt do that any more.

But I dont use Task Manager. Just open a few programs (after several hours without reset). Then open opera and after some seconds some of the previous programs were closed....

I believe that the Task Manager is still inbuilt and thus you need to get rid of it and install the one mrvanx suggested.
Cheers

danielherrero said:
But I dont use Task Manager. Just open a few programs (after several hours without reset). Then open opera and after some seconds some of the previous programs were closed....
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Hi Dani
As long as you're using TF3D, its taskmanager is running and killing programs if available memory goes beneath ~120 MB. You may change this threshold via avanced config (I think).
ULI
PS: don't do too much internet surfing - we're waiting for the new skin..

Try http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=102040&view=findpost&p=749414 and http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=749168

Programs keep closing (how to keep them open?)

I know most people want the programs launched to close, but my problem is whenever I open one program (for example icontacts), and then open another program (for example opera mini) the first program (icontact) closes by itself... this happens with almost all software even when I have >8mb memory free. It's annoying because I have to reload the first software...
is it b/c of the ROM i have installed or is there a solution (i would hate to have to format and reinstall everything for this!!)
Thanks

Check if you have HTC Taskmanager or WKTask. These are both popular programs which can be set to make the X button close programs. You can change the settings of either of these programs.

Free RAM issue!

hi there...am a big fan of the vox....but the problem that i face after say 2-3 days of continuous use is the memory leak. it has abt 22 mb free when i soft reset, but after this time, has less than 10 mb remaining. i shut down programs regularly, use the hibernate function on smart toolkit, and i use sk tools lite to use the memory free function. could anyone solve this problem? i read somewhere that a rom upgrade may solve this issue. tried the htc website, it says the rom upgrade is not suitable for my device. can someone help? someone like dr. martin gonzo or frauhottellmann? r u there? my device details are below
CE OS 5.2.1236
Radio 4.1.13.41_02.88.90
ril version 2.002
Pls tell me which ROM is the most stable, if i need to update any thing else too that is available on this forum/ I have photo contacts pro v 5.05 andfacade 1.4.10 running in the background.
Oh i forgot. I use smart toolkit too
The ROM is 5.2.1236.17741
I would prefer a light ROM, as I dont use word mobile. I have documents to go instead.

scanman1 said:
hi there...am a big........
I would prefer a light ROM, as I dont use word mobile. I have documents to go instead.
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Try fireburned's Clean ROM or fraun's Lite ROM, both of them are super fast and super stable .

Backup - some doubts
thanx.....downloaded it, will it work and install with my vox as per the details ive mentioned above?
my second query....im not too particular abt my messages and stuff, and ive just synchronised the data on my mobile to outlook ( contacts, tasks and appointments )....is this enough or must i properly back up everything else? pls lemme know. as ive never flashed a rom before.
also, will flashing a new rom delete the stuff on my storage card?

scanman1 said:
thanx.....downloaded it, will it work and install with my vox as per the details ive mentioned above?
my second query....im not too particular abt my messages and stuff, and ive just synchronised the data on my mobile to outlook ( contacts, tasks and appointments )....is this enough or must i properly back up everything else? pls lemme know. as ive never flashed a rom before.
also, will flashing a new rom delete the stuff on my storage card?
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Search for PIM backup, that is a software which back up all your PIM information to Storage card, or whatever folder you wish. No flashing will not delete anything from the storage card. But be sure that you are not using Encryption on the SD Card.

thats ok...i have sprite backup with my phone. will have to reinstall it though/
my question is....is a fullback up necessary or will an outlook sync be enough? when i reconnect after the flash, active sync will set up a partnership again right? will that delete all the outlook data stored on my comp or will my comp refill the pim data back on to my device? thats what i want to know.
also, will the new rom significantly alter my battery life? am a doctor, and it may not be possible for me to keep charging my mobile when i am on rounds and so on

one more doubt, addicted2xda. will flashing one of these custom roms solve the memory leak issue? its driving me crazy. cant go 3 days without doing a hard reset. and how much will teh free memory be with say, fireburned lite rom?

Well after a couple of days you will of course have less RAM available. You always have to close apps in the task manager and use some RAM-free-up app! I use the function of sktools lite!

frauhottelmann said:
Well after a couple of days you will of course have less RAM available. You always have to close apps in the task manager and use some RAM-free-up app! I use the function of sktools lite!
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yes boss...i use sk tools lite too. but it doesnt make too significant a difference, with the end result that after say 3-4 days, memory dips to less than 8 MB, and voila! my phone hangs!
am now trying out fireburned's lite rom, seems good for now. lets see! any further ideas to minimise the ram leak?

Use the taskmanager - as frauhottelman said already - to identify the processes that grow over time. You can use the built-in, just change the view to "process" and sort by memory. WMPlayer or Audiomanager are memory hogs from my experience.
For debugging you may also want to execute "devicehealth.exe". This will create a decent summary of memory consumption to the root (or card-root). You may have to search for it (in the forum or or the web). It is a tiny tool from the SDK afaik.

tobbbie said:
Use the taskmanager - as frauhottelman said already - to identify the processes that grow over time. You can use the built-in, just change the view to "process" and sort by memory. WMPlayer or Audiomanager are memory hogs from my experience.
For debugging you may also want to execute "devicehealth.exe". This will create a decent summary of memory consumption to the root (or card-root). You may have to search for it (in the forum or or the web). It is a tiny tool from the SDK afaik.
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have been using fireburned's rom, seems pretty stable. however, after doing a sync with active sync, the memory which was say 17 mb, dips to 14 mb or less. any hibernate function or say, the task manager or even the sk tools function brings it back to only about 15 mb or a little marginally higher. the more times i use activesync, the same problem occurs. say i use it three times, the memory lands up around 12 mb, after all programs have been shut down. and after using the hibernate function on smart toolkit. any ideas? did a search and found that it s a process called gwes.exe which hogs memory mostly. but this is guess is a system process and cant be shut down i suppose. any suggestions? ur take on this, frauhottellmann?

Still problem not solved!
hmm..tried using the ram free function on sktools. seems to actually decrease the amount of ram available!!! and with each use of active sync, the available ram decreases sharply. my wife has an imate spl, and the amount of ram remains constant around 25MB even after 10 days....anyone have any ideas? have read somewhere that it is a problem peculiar to vox. the problem with decreasing ram is, after 3-4 days, the dialler starts malfunctioning. i am able to make out the calls ringing, but no way i can pick itup. max, i can cut the call. it registers as a missed call....any body with any ideas out there? any way to cut the ram leak?
one more doubt,,,the old sk tools had an optimize wizard. the latest one seems to be lacking this feature. is there anyway that the active sync filesystem can be made read-only ?

Pretty strange. Are you using any third party software that may be causing the problem? Also note that after using activesync, it doesn't shutdown on its own. You have to manually shut it down to release the memory. Further try using the default home screen, instead of the sliding panel which comes with new 6.1 ROMs.
Because I normally have more than 20 MB free . No matter how long I have kept my device on.
Or better still, just reboot the device before going to bed .

yeah. i use photocontacts pro and smart toolkit in addition to microsoft voice command. and is it a good idea to keep rebooting the device daily? i thought the rom upgrade was supposed to fix that!and i love the sliding panels. the default homescreeen sucks

scanman1 said:
yeah. i use photocontacts pro and smart toolkit in addition to microsoft voice command. and is it a good idea to keep rebooting the device daily? i thought the rom upgrade was supposed to fix that!and i love the sliding panels. the default homescreeen sucks
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Sliding panel really drains the battery like hell. Its not a problem if you reboot your ROM daily. I flash my device (both), well almost once a week atleast . So that requires rebooting as well. I really don't know whats wrong, but I never had the RAM issue, try fireburned Clean ROM or fraun's lite ROM for a change and see if you find any difference

I have same problem with my htc vox