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AT&T Tilt vs Verizon XV6800

Hello,
Please help me decide based on performance (response time/lag, memory, features, etc).
Most of the reasons I have seen for choosing one over the other are cell phone reception/coverage in an area. Cell reception in my area (Atlanta) is good for both carriers.
Thanks much.

Well... I don't have any experience with either, but the Tilt is the TyTNII (Kaiser) and the xV6800 is the TyTN.
Here's a video review.
EDIT: Also, the Kaiser has a WORKING GPS module.

ivanmmj said:
Well... I don't have any experience with either, but the Tilt is the TyTNII (Kaiser) and the xV6800 is the TyTN.
Here's a video review.
EDIT: Also, the Kaiser has a WORKING GPS module.
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And twice the RAM, which is important. There are lots of reports of the Tilt being inexplicably slow but some say there's hacks to improve this.

CDMA vs. GSM
XV6800 is a CDMA phone while Tilt is a GSM/UMTS phone. Choosing the proper phone also depends on which operator you are subscribed to.

Difference Between Ubranded HTC touch Pro and The Fuze unlocked version?

hi,
can anyone tell me whats the difference between this phones? is it only the software inside or everything is different? thanks

fuze doesnt have a front facing camera for video calls..its cosmetically different and the keyboard layout is different..thats what comes to mind

kventura said:
hi,
can anyone tell me whats the difference between this phones? is it only the software inside or everything is different? thanks
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Front Cam and Keyboard, yes, also the Fuze has an extra hardware button (PTT) which luckily can be remapped and then comes in very handy for example as button for a task manager (short press) and to activate the camera (long press).

uhh... more importantly is that the fuze is triband 3G (850/1900/2100) while the unlocked touch pro is only dual band (900/1900). so the unlocked unbranded version will not work on at&t's 3G network. if you have tmobile, it wont make a difference. please search next time, this question has been asked many times before

Fuze & TomTom 6

Looing round here, it looks like I may be up a creek... Can't get GPS lock to save my life... Sound about right?

Been known to happen...
If you're running stock ROM better ditch it. Da_G ported over newer GPS drivers that lots of Chefs cooked into their ROMs, there are also poll interval reghacks and disabling logfiles and all sorts of voodoo to try and get Raphael's GPS working nicely.
Disable aGPS for sure, and try GPSTest to keep the port open and try to hold your lock.

Wow that sucks...
I was hoping to get away with not flashing the ROM. My little brother is going to rip me cause his ***** ass iPhone "doesnt need hacking"...
Wow this sucks...

me as a previous iphone user, yes it does and i wish i had knew all this before i got the phone i would of actually gotten the iphone 3g, to make matters worse the iphone dev team is releasing they latest iphone unlocking tool on news yr that will unlock all iphone, including the 3g. but here we sit, stuck with a fuze that has unrelible gps and locked to a carrier. only thing i wish the iphone had was HSDPA like the fuze and i would so hop on a iphone in a millisec

You disable aGPS? Start > Settings > System: aGPS
Install two programs, QuickGPS and GPSTest. Run them in that order.
See what your stock ROM does from there. PS there are GPS threads all over the place with different methods to try.

Iphone has no hardware QWERTY, right off the bat it doesn't even make my list.

I agree with that...
Trying GPS Tool (Found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393645) and going outside seemed to finally grab a signal... I then booted TomTom 6 and used NEMA instead of bluetooth, and setting it to 4800 baud and Com4 worked...
I'm going to uninstall the AT&T telenav crap and soft reboot to see if it still works...

I'd really flash a cooked ROM if I were you, it's not just new GPS drivers... its like a whole new phone, performance-wise. If I was still running the stock ATT ROM I would not be very pleased with the Fuze.

So far I hosnestly haven't had 'perfomance' problems... Yeah I had to go remove crap just like a freaking new cheap laptop, but it runs MUCH faster than my Tilt ever did...

And wow... Not sure what did it, but that GPS Tool app is the only thing I haven't done, and now it's working. Signal in the house sucks, but by the window works in under 60 seconds... fantastic!

I was having GPS issues with my Fuze. I couldn't get a quick and reliable fix couldn't find any tips or tricks to help it all. I ended up exchanging the phone a i was within my 30 days and the new one seems to be working normally. I get satellite fixes every time and don't lose them. I still think it takes a bit to long to get a fix but thats probably just the phone.
If you can getting a replacement may be what you need.

I just received a TP and as many others, the GPS didnt work right away.
I used GPSTest and it found satellites instantly, with that open, TomTom picked up a signal instantly as well.
I compared the Touch PRO's GPS graph with that of a Diamond with aGPS enabled. The Diamond picked up 8 satellites whereas the TP only picked up 4.
Im going to activate this unit in a few minutes and enable aGPS with my Carrier's settings and see if that gets me locked to more birds.
Also to note, after I ran GPSTest the first time I didnt need it open for TomTom to work after that.
Using a CDMA TP /w Telus
The only thing I am unsure of right now is what most of you are referring to as "lag" in regards to the GPS. Do you mean it is just taking longer than usual to acquire a lock, or even with a lock, the GPS functions slowly?

allthatinny said:
me as a previous iphone user, yes it does and i wish i had knew all this before i got the phone i would of actually gotten the iphone 3g, to make matters worse the iphone dev team is releasing they latest iphone unlocking tool on news yr that will unlock all iphone, including the 3g. but here we sit, stuck with a fuze that has unrelible gps and locked to a carrier. only thing i wish the iphone had was HSDPA like the fuze and i would so hop on a iphone in a millisec
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Wow, your post has so much misinformation. First, the gps on the iphone is crap. Who cases if you have gps when you dont have turn by turn directions? Second, the iphone does have HSDPA. Third, the fuze is not locked to any carrier, call at&t and you'll have an unlock code in minutes. Fourth, the iphone 3g can already be unlocked. The fuze's gps is fine once you disable agps. Thats definatly not acceptable, and will hopefully be fixed soon. Have i corrected all your inaccuracies?

I just want to add my 2 cents here - on topic. I've had my Fuze since November 10. Installed GPS Test (used to that from my Moto Q), disabled aGPS, installed TT6 and it worked like a charm.
Now, off topic, as for the iPhone. My wife and son have each have one -- because they wanted a toy to surf the web and play games, and not a business ready tool. I've been using PDAs since the original PalmPilot, and "smartphones" since the original Qualcom Palm phone. The Fuze/TP is, in my opinion, the best business oriented device of its type that I have ever had or seen.

one other thing guys; why are you guys still using tomtom6? tomtom7 has been out for a while, and it supports vga screens, so it looks nice

TT6 or TT7 not that much difference, select colors some nice settings but both work well on the Fuze (at least mine).
rac

omaralt said:
Wow, your post has so much misinformation. First, the gps on the iphone is crap. Who cases if you have gps when you dont have turn by turn directions? Second, the iphone does have HSDPA. Third, the fuze is not locked to any carrier, call at&t and you'll have an unlock code in minutes. Fourth, the iphone 3g can already be unlocked. The fuze's gps is fine once you disable agps. Thats definatly not acceptable, and will hopefully be fixed soon. Have i corrected all your inaccuracies?
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dude are you nuts the iphone 3g cannot be unlocked as yet only JAIL BROKEN, there is no unlock for them yet as the iphone dev team said they will release they tool new years eve, also the new 2.2 update for the iphone updates the 3g baseband and there is def no unlock for that, iphone dev team said that
dont believe me, check it out ur self
http://blog.iphone-dev.org/
P.S i get GPS lock on my dad iphone 3g faster than my fuze and even inside sometimes and true the iphone doesnt have HSDPA which i mention but if it did, with a keyboard the iphone would of been the phone of everyone dreams, also i just upgraded my contract and i doubt att will unlock my phone as i had it for less than a month now but i will call them after 4 weeks with the fuze.

allthatinny said:
dude are you nuts the iphone 3g cannot be unlocked as yet only JAIL BROKEN, there is no unlock for them yet as the iphone dev team said they will release they tool new years eve, also the new 2.2 update for the iphone updates the 3g baseband and there is def no unlock for that, iphone dev team said that
dont believe me, check it out ur self
http://blog.iphone-dev.org/
P.S i get GPS lock on my dad iphone 3g faster than my fuze and even inside sometimes and true the iphone doesnt have HSDPA which i mention but if it did, with a keyboard the iphone would of been the phone of everyone dreams, also i just upgraded my contract and i doubt att will unlock my phone as i had it for less than a month now but i will call them after 4 weeks with the fuze.
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your absolutely right about the iphone 3g not being unlockable at the moment, my mistake, but whats the point? if i wanted an iphone, and was on tmobile, why not save a few hundred dollars and get the 2G model? the only real difference is the gps; which is great and all, but again, until you have turn by turn directions its more of a gimmick. the only time i use my fuze gps is for tomtom for directions. you can definately try unlocking your phone, tell them your going overseas or something. good luck
omar

omaralt said:
one other thing guys; why are you guys still using tomtom6? tomtom7 has been out for a while, and it supports vga screens, so it looks nice
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Because TT6 works fine and TT7 is not sold commercially.

omaralt said:
your absolutely right about the iphone 3g not being unlockable at the moment, my mistake, but whats the point? if i wanted an iphone, and was on tmobile, why not save a few hundred dollars and get the 2G model? the only real difference is the gps; which is great and all, but again, until you have turn by turn directions its more of a gimmick. the only time i use my fuze gps is for tomtom for directions. you can definately try unlocking your phone, tell them your going overseas or something. good luck
omar
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well one the iphone 1st gen is not being made anymore and two the gps is not the only difference cuz the iphone 3g is also 3g hence the name 3g, brighter screen, and gps included, louder speakers and there is also the 16GB ver, not trying to make this a iphone vs fuze situation but you can also download voice guided gps software off the iphone app store and also other gps related software such as near by stores/places/taxis/ there is also a software to give u what speed ur traveling at using the gps, alert u of Police traps when ur doing long trips, and much more so the iphone is not only limited to the google map there is other GPS software that have turn by turn voice guided software

Tilt vs G1

I have recently switched from AT&T to T-Mobile... I have a Tilt w/ HardSpl 3.29. It is Sim and CID unlocked and I have flashed a few different ROMs and currently have Dutty's 3.5 on it. The only problem is that AT&T uses 2100 mhz and T-Mobile uses 2100mhz and 1700Mhz so i can only use edge for data. Does anyone have any opinions on the G1 and how it would stack up against this Tilt. I like WinMO and feel like i am getting more proficient with modding it. Is there going to be alot of things that the Tilt will do that the G1 will not be capable of? or vice versa?... Thanx for any thoughts... 1st Post so bear with me....
Phone: AT&T Tilt
Carrier: T-Mobile
Sim-CID unlocked
HardSpl 3.29
Rom: Dutty's 3.5

JaceNSteale said:
I have recently switched from AT&T to T-Mobile... I have a Tilt w/ HardSpl 3.29. It is Sim and CID unlocked and I have flashed a few different ROMs and currently have Dutty's 3.5 on it. The only problem is that AT&T uses 2100 mhz and T-Mobile uses 2100mhz and 1700Mhz so i can only use edge for data. Does anyone have any opinions on the G1 and how it would stack up against this Tilt. I like WinMO and feel like i am getting more proficient with modding it. Is there going to be alot of things that the Tilt will do that the G1 will not be capable of? or vice versa?... Thanx for any thoughts... 1st Post so bear with me....
Phone: AT&T Tilt
Carrier: T-Mobile
Sim-CID unlocked
HardSpl 3.29
Rom: Dutty's 3.5
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Welcome to the forum
My vote goes for Tilt because WM is a more mature OS than Android, perhaps in the future will be a good OS but by now I´ll stick to WM

Hands down the Tilt with WM, but no 3G. I find the tmob edge speeds & battery usage very good. I'm looking at the TP2 w/3G when it comes to tmob usa Jul 22nd!

btw what is soooooooooooooo good about andriod other than it is not by MS? heee

I've used the tilt, and by now I have to say I like the G1 a lot more. There's no lag that accompanies WM, and it's just been a great experience with Android. Especially now with all the great ROMs being cooked, plenty of apps to choose from in Market, and overall awesomeness + ease of use.

Thanx for the input so far.... its not that android is so good just that Tmobile doesn't have any other PPc's from HTC that run on win mo and i thought i would get a lot better speed with the 3g... I hadn't considered the Battery!!! I tried a Touch Pro w/Sprint for a few weeks before going to tmobile but it was impossible to lock the screen... it would wake up for every voice, text, or email message or if the key board was opened even a little... the phone ended up have many apps running all the time and it killed the battery... i had to charge it 3,4 times a day... HTC told me the HTC branded phone didn't do it.... the Sprint and verizon version both have this flaw... Sprint repair center told nothing they could do.... i had one the first week they came out.... i don't know if they have jumped on that yet...

I'd go with the Tilt, but it's close.
I've got a Tilt, and my son got a G1 about 2 months ago.
His hardware seems snappier to launch apps and in screen transitions. The integration of apps on Android is pretty cool as well. Infomation from one app is easily shared with other apps in the platform. There are WM apps that do this, Live search, and SPBMS3 come to mind, but in Android it feels seamless. the Google maps experience of street view on the G1 is also quite cool and uniquie to that device.
What WM (Tilt) has over Android, and someone above mentioned as well, is maturity and breadth of app (and mod) availability. With mostly free apps, my Tilt can do just about every cool thing the G1 can do, and more. If you like the Android look, Throttle Launcher can give that to you. The availability of apps for WM is many multiples of what is out there for Android (so far).
I will say that network speed definitly pushes me toward the Tilt. That is one area that he and I have done head to head comparisons. I'm on att, and my HSDPA, available even at my rural home, blows Tmob edge out of the water. If I had to go back to that, I'd be a lot less happy with any device.
I hope this helps

almost just for the face of 3g i would go with the G1 , my girlfriend has one and from experience i can say its a pretty great phone !

Does the XTC Clip supports the HTC Status (USA AT&T custom version of the ChaCha)?

Does the XTC Clip supports the HTC Status (USA AT&T custom version of the ChaCha)?
As the titles says, does the XTC Clip works on the HTC Status? Anyone with some experience on it?
Thanks.

Just to explain: XTC Clip works on any HTC phone (hardware dependent). What you are asking is if it's working some custom ROM (software dependent). Get it?
And btw, Status = ChaCha. Status is not a custom AT&T version of ChaCha, it's just that HTC had a legal issue with the www.chacha.com company so they had to use a different name for marketing.

Alex C. said:
Just to explain: XTC Clip works on any HTC phone (hardware dependent). What you are asking is if it's working some custom ROM (software dependent). Get it?
And btw, Status = ChaCha. Status is not a custom AT&T version of ChaCha, it's just that HTC had a legal issue with the www.chacha.com company so they had to use a different name for marketing.
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Thanks!
I would have thought that the Status was actually a custom version of the ChaCha as AT&T uses network frequencies that no one else uses which I suspect would require a different radio chip and radio firmware. Also the Status comes with all the AT&T crapware loaded and has a few features blocked (like USB tethering and wifi hotspot) unless you pay for them.

Ledrocnoc is correct. The HTC Status, while very similar to the unbranded ChaCha, is a little different. As you wrote, the radio is different in order to handle the 850/1900MHz range for AT&T's 3G network, as well as some differences in the front-facing camera, and of course the included software:
Compare the Status to the ChaCha
(yes, there is an FM radio in the Status, despite what GSMArena.com indicates)
Regarding the USB tethering and hotspot, even if those were available for "free" on the Status, AT&T will likely catch you anyways and make you pay. I know this for a fact because on my previous phone (unlocked GSM Palm Treo Pro), I was able to do internet sharing via USB and I used a software called WMWifiRouter to do hotspot. If you use it very sparingly (as in a few hundred KBs every few weeks or so), AT&T probably won't catch you. But if you use the tethering component regularly and consume a lot of bandwidth, they will catch you and issue you a warning. This happened to me with the Treo Pro when my wife used her laptop tethered to my phone to watch a movie via NetFlix. Of course, I immediately stopped internet sharing due to AT&T's insane $45 monthly tethering fee that they threatened to start charging me. I believe AT&T performs deep-packet inspection to see what is being sent through their networks and if they haven't caught you yet, they will soon.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.

hockeyfan said:
Ledrocnoc is correct.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
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Not necessarily... I've been doing it for a while right now on my Nexus One and I have been using a VPN (on the laptop side) to hide the traffic from AT&T. Haven't had any problem so far
Which brings a follow up question: if I unlock / root my HTC Status, is there a WiFi hotspot app out there that I can use?
Thanks.

hockeyfan said:
Ledrocnoc is correct. The HTC Status, while very similar to the unbranded ChaCha, is a little different. As you wrote, the radio is different in order to handle the 850/1900MHz range for AT&T's 3G network, as well as some differences in the front-facing camera, and of course the included software:
Compare the Status to the ChaCha
(yes, there is an FM radio in the Status, despite what GSMArena.com indicates)
Regarding the USB tethering and hotspot, even if those were available for "free" on the Status, AT&T will likely catch you anyways and make you pay. I know this for a fact because on my previous phone (unlocked GSM Palm Treo Pro), I was able to do internet sharing via USB and I used a software called WMWifiRouter to do hotspot. If you use it very sparingly (as in a few hundred KBs every few weeks or so), AT&T probably won't catch you. But if you use the tethering component regularly and consume a lot of bandwidth, they will catch you and issue you a warning. This happened to me with the Treo Pro when my wife used her laptop tethered to my phone to watch a movie via NetFlix. Of course, I immediately stopped internet sharing due to AT&T's insane $45 monthly tethering fee that they threatened to start charging me. I believe AT&T performs deep-packet inspection to see what is being sent through their networks and if they haven't caught you yet, they will soon.
So, yes, while the HTC Status has "locked" tethering, you would likely end up paying for the extra tethering cost eventually anyways if they catch you.
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Actually you're both wrong. HTC ChaCha = Status. Regardless of what the software on it is (even if this software does limit some of it's functionality), the hardware is HTC ChaCha (it's like saying that if you put windows mobile on it it's not ChaCha anymore). For example you do have the full radio, up to 2100, but your operator's network has a maximum of 1900 MHz. The phone will still display 3G only or E for edge. Just do a little (official) check before making statements: http://www.htc.com/europe/smartphones/htc-chacha/#specs
It's there, black on white, the network speeds for Europe and "Other"
There are two hardwares, both of them are HTC ChaCha or HTC Status, doesn't really matter as it's the same phone.
Please use gsmarena as a rare quote in any statements as it's an unreliable site.
To explain my opinions: I work with phones 8 hours a day. (I'm a QA engineer testing the bluetooth connectivity between car-kits and phones/bluetooth devices). I have tested over 450 phones, from Motorola Razorz to LG Chocolate (yes, apparently some people still have this one) to the latest devices. I usually checked gsmarena 4-5 times a day a year ago until the day that I actually held a phone in my hand that they made a review about. The review was all wrong and the specs page were not even the same as the maker (of the phone). It's a good site, for phone's photos. I also used iPhone 4 before it even hit the market in Romania and gsmarena was useless about it. (we receive phones from makers usually before they hit the market in Europe).
Anyways, we drifted off.. the thing is that XTC Clip was designed for ANY HTC phone so it will work for older and newer HTC's.

Alex C. said:
Actually you're both wrong. HTC ChaCha = Status. Regardless of what the software on it is (even if this software does limit some of it's functionality), the hardware is HTC ChaCha (it's like saying that if you put windows mobile on it it's not ChaCha anymore).
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So they both have 1.3mp front-facing cameras, but the cha-cha is being restricted to vga through software??? (status has 1.3mp front camera, while cha-cha has only vga)

The Status only has a vga front facing according to the specs on HTC.com. So nobody has S-Offed the Status yet?
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mosamjc said:
The Status only has a vga front facing according to the specs on HTC.com. So nobody has S-Offed the Status yet?
Sent from my HTC Status using XDA Premium App
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Use XTC Clip, lol.