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Which 6.1 English ROM/Kitchen should I choose?

First of all, I would like to congratulate you on running such an active worldwide community all linked by just one devotion to technology. This is my first post though I have been following this forum for a while. I am getting a new Tornado ( The deal was unbeatable!!) and I am pretty much excited.
I am searching for a cutting(/bleeding) edge ROM or even a Kitchen to spice up my new Tornado and I am prepared to learn the tricks and tools required to have a fully-functional and bug-free ( I hope I can, with your help!) 6.1 ROM having all the important and offering good usability and functionality to the end user ( ME! ).
So, what do you suggest? I am prepared for a steep learning curve, that usually accompanies this kind of a quest

My Opinion ...
I use actualy BlacKura Wm 6.1 Profesional rom. I like the fonts, are small, and the resolution is like PC screen. I wass able to install SPB Menu Shel 2.14, what i like most, + is a Office build in. What is verry useeful at least for me.
Lacks? Hmmm there are some aplications specialy donne for SP (smartphone) what tell me it can't been instaling on this device, what i understand because this rom is not designed for SP.
If u actually try this rom ( remeber to free your aplication lock) , remember u have a fake cursor ( like a mouse what u can use with joystick ) , what can be enabled by pressing home key for 3 secs ( that one what enable the Start menu)
Other ROms ( beleve me i wass tryd almost all) i dont like, the fact are kinda WM5 ( big fonts , menu like anyother cell without WM ).
Regards Camelia .

Touchscreen?
Actually even I am looking for a ROM with a small font size. And judging by what you say, the ROM supports the programs written for a touchscreen device, right?
So how do you operate the cursor, I mean how do you click or drag? Is this method fast? I found out that the ROM is fast, but I could not get the way it works. So please shed some light on this.

If you like profesional ROMs, try also kamikadze's
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455950
It is great looking, small font. As for how to use professional ROMs that are ment for touchscreen devices, as kingoldstyle suggested, use SPB Menu Shell application, it allows you to move through menus very quickly using number buttons. Also, sursor can be activated and moved with a joystick, not so fast and comfortable, but I rarely use it with mine phone, only when I need to set alarm. Other than that, I dont need cursor.

Shell?
Thanks a lot for your reply.
And where can I get the Shell?

Apps
Should I install touchscreen or smartphone applications in this ROM?
And what is the performance benefit when compared to the Smartphone ROM?
Will the Professional ROM support Point UI in the Faraday?

You can try them all. Some touchscreen applications are difficult and slow to use, so its up to you to decide what you want with your phone. I use smartphone applications mostly. I installed professional ROM because I like the good look of it (in combination with spb shell). The ROM is very fast, I didnt measure their performance, because when I installed it for the first time I just loved it. Some people here say its faster.
Check your PM.

I tested Point UI Home 1.51 on my Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado) with WM Professional ROM and works great and I don't need use FakeCursor.
I think that, Professional ROM is faster than Smartphone ROM on HTC Tornado. I use Professional ROM on my smartphone about 9 months and I wouldn't return on smartphone ROM.

Thanks.
Thanks a lot, everybody.
I shall upgrade as soon as it reaches me.
Oh, the wait!!!

Qazer said:
I tested Point UI Home 1.51 on my Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado) with WM Professional ROM and works great and I don't need use FakeCursor.
I think that, Professional ROM is faster than Smartphone ROM on HTC Tornado. I use Professional ROM on my smartphone about 9 months and I wouldn't return on smartphone ROM.
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Have you tried SPB shell, and if yes, do you find PointUI better, and why?

Goran_: for me is better Point UI than SPB Mobile Shell. Point UI is faster and nicer for me.

I have searched and flashed but to no avail, can somoene help?!

Hi all
I've been looking for a CLEAN speedy rom for ages, ever since At0mang stopped cooking the quality of the roms on here seems to have dropped, there doesnt seem to be a single RAPHAEL rom, or one that hasnt been heavily modified to include the very buggy rhodium manilla
does ANYONE know of a CLEAN/SPEEDY rom with minimal extra applications but of course the regular gamut of speed enhancements
many thanks

Try PROven 4.2 with or without tp or rhodium manillas

Have you tried Da-G's? he's releasing roms in addition to kitchens now. It might be buggy since its the lastest 6.5 build.

I've already tried Provens 4.2
its moreso the issues with the menu's thats the problem
same with Da_G's, theres just some pretty annoying bugs on there
the only thing i tend to use my TP for is as a phone, to text and call, and some of the roms are just really slow when it comes to texting!

You could try NATF's Roms. They are pretty stable, and you can choose the lite version - it comes without Manilla, and then you can add whatever apps you like.

i'd recommend RRE roms... it comes with or without Manila and 6.1 or 6.5 versions.
it's amazingly fast and stable

RRE 5.8 series everytime, loved his 6.1 based ROM used Atoms before this, admittedly RRE 5.8 aren't as Naked as Atoms were but they are certainly not filled to the brim with apps just for the sake of having them!! Also try his 6.5 based series..they Freakin Rock and are stable as anything ive used ...
So Far

Hi all,
First of all, i am new here BUT read the rules of this forum as far as i could understand it (am from Holland
and can write/read some English but most of this translated with google translater )
Second i did search what i am looking for but couldn't find it exactly.
This topic is most close to it i think.
I have a touch pro, dutch phone, no simlock, doesn't work very well, very slow phone, microphone is broken so phone function can't be used anymore,
camera had better days, battery is not much better, BUT:
The GPS function does work and that is what want to use the phone for.
I am a tourist trackdriver (Nurburgring Nordschleife) and want to measure my tracktimes with Racechrono.
I know it isn't very accurate, but that doesn't matter on a 21 kilometre track
What i'm looking for is a very very very light windows mobile version without phone functions, games, email, internet, and such, this because the phone crashed alot during the time i used it as daily phone, so there has to be as little programs on the phone as possible.
Only the GPS function and the Race Chrono program have to work.
Can someone help me with this?
Thanks in advance.
Jeroen

What is The Big Deal with WM6.5 ?

I have recently seen alot of ROMS for WM6.5 and they all look the same from the screenshots.... ugly!
I mean what is with all the HUGE text listed down the screen, am I the only one who thinks this is a stupid setup? What happened to the Start Menu and clean today setup?
Are people just updating to WM6.5 just 'cos its 6.5, or do you actually like the look of it? Please give your opinions on WM6.5, and more importantly what is the difference between WM6?
I am using WM6.1 on 2 of my devices as I like the Today Screen feel and the way everything is set out. I am contemplating putting 6.5 on a device just to test it out, is it really worth it? is it customizable to make the home screen not just BIG words down the screen? maybe a clock even lol.
thanks everyone for your opinions.

i think it looks great.

As long as you have good apps installed to cover nasty WM UI no matter if you have 6.1 or 6.5
I personally do not like the honeycomb, but I do like that the hole UI is more finger friendly
Let´s see the WM7!! hope they really impress us

I like it because its 6.5 that .4 of more awesome 1337ness!!!! lol.. I actually just like the better slightly larger menu buttons. the new start menu is neither here nor there for me.. I don't like titanium, it has potential, but till you can have more than one link on click per panel it is pretty lame to me.. seems to take more effort to get to my necessary apps with it than without it.. I have been using wad2 on my last few flashes. My device is i910 Omnia, with the BlazingWolf 7.1 rom.

On my observation, the main advantages of WM6.5 over WM6.1 are:
RAM Managemenet: In WM6.5 I never need to run the apps to clear RAM. Any time I quit a program, the RAM will be released imediately.
Power Consumption Controll: The battery life is noticably enlonged copare using WM6.1, on same load.
Connectivity: One example is on WM6.1 any time I'm using Internet Sharing I need to manually switch phone band to WCDMA to ensure stable fast data connection. And if I forget to switch it back to GSM or Auto after finished the Internet Sharing, phone calls on 3G mode will drain the battery very fast. But on WM6.5, I noticed that I don't need to switch phone band again, just leave it as Auto. The OS is so smart that it knows what time to switch to what band. Example, when I use internet sharing, it will stay at 3G for most of the time. When I make or receive a phone call, it will switch to GSM immediately after the phone connected.
Finger Touch Experience For this I don't explain more, it's just much more comfortable on finger/stylus responds.
Third Party Apps Interface: Well I'm not a developer, but from the changes on some registry structure, I can definitely tell that WM65 will be more friendly to third party application developers.
These are very core elements of a mobile os. The progress of wm65 on these points is obviously noticable.
But because the change of the core. It causes a big problem on legacy apps compatibility. People find that a lot of apps running well on wm6 just can never run on wm65.
But I think currently both Microsoft and third party software vendors are working tight on this issue. At least for most part of popular softwares, we can find a wm65 compatible version now. But for some speciall software, we can not find it if the developer did not upgrade it.
For sure, there are certain advantages of using 6.5 over 6.1. (The advantage is not only 'skin' things that you can see it, more important is on the 'core'.)
Hence your choice just depend on what softwares you're using. If for all your 'must-have' softwares you can find a WM6.5 compatible version or its replacement, why not use WM6.5.
Edit: I don't like the Titanium & the headache to customize it either. I just disabled it & leave an 'empty today', but with HButton, I can reach all frequently used apps within one single touch.
The RAM used by Titanium is 3.5MB+, compares to HTC Home @1.5MB+, & M2D @ 7MB+.
I like the looking of Honeucomb,(for showup only), but I also use QuickMenu, which is more functional.
Must to say that above experience are from the single ROM I've used only, maybe there are performance variaties on different ROMs & devices.
And at last, one of my most favarite part is the new PIE, it definitely can display whatever a desktop ie does except only one tab allowed.

I like 6.5. I find it runs pretty well on the kaiser, and I prefer its look to the old Windows 3.x interface found in the older versions. Plus, the finger scrolling is superb. And if you don't like the honeycomb, there are other start menu layouts, one example here. WM6.5 is just a band-aid to hold us over until WM7, but it's still a step in the right direction for Microsoft.
Dave

Yes, I think i will be waiting for wm7, but i just can't help myself any longer and I am going to take the plunge to wm6.5 on my Elfin or Wizard just to give it a go, I think it should run well on the elin with the RAM it has and without really checking out the custmizations, my assumptions is basically on the interface on standard screenshots i have seen.
thanks for the input guys, only a flash will i be able to add further opinions, as i am a heaver modder, and would need this to offer proper insight into the OS.

I've bounced back and forth between a couple 6.1 and 6.5 ROMs. I use TouchFLo because I hate 6.1's today screen and Titanium is pretty bland. I think that the current touchflo manila 2.1 is about the best you can get for WM6.1 currently, but I don't think manila 2.1 is streamlined for WM6.5. I feel like I'm taking a step back in integration and fluidness when I use Touchflo 2.1 and WM6.5. Not much, but it just seems off. This leads me to think that the new manila 2.5 is HTC's update to bring that integration and fluidness to WM6.5. The specualtion is that manila 2.5 is going to be for the new Firestone. While that is probably true, HTC has also mentioned that the new Topaz and Rhodium will get WM 6.5 upgrades. I would like to assume that this upgrade will also include manila 2.5 because if I feel that WM6.5 and TouchFlo 2.1 is lacking a complete feel then I would take that HTC has also noticed this. Yeah, I'm rambling I know. Just my thoughts. Bottom line on WM6.5 is that it seems like Microsoft just made a piss poor attempt at skinning there relic OS. That just pertains to the aesthetics though. I know there were unseen changes that do have their benefits.
(Sorry for all the "I feel and I would assumes", just ponderings)

TF3D ROM for Kaiser? (Collecting Bounty act. 35€)

Hey Guys,
I know that this has been discussed a hundred times .
But let me at first explain:
This goes out to all you chefs which are cooking the roms (I'm not capable to cook one by myself)
So what I would like to have is a Kaiser ROM with a working Touchflo3d.
I've read and searched for hours and hours and found the rom from L26, but I think this had been an really early state. Now the drivers have changed and improved.
So is there anyone out there who is able to cook a rom (no matter if 6.1 or 6.5) with working TF3D and drivers?
I found out that there is a working version in this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507
But it was not working with my rom (M-Opal 1.0) due to cooked M2D.
So it would give hmm a bounty of 35€ (€ not dollars) if anyone would prepare a working, fast rom with TF3D.
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
Best regards,
Matthias

Maeffjus said:
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
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Not me ...........................
That being said, here is the latest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=458116

Maeffjus said:
Hey Guys,
I know that this has been discussed a hundred times .
But let me at first explain:
This goes out to all you chefs which are cooking the roms (I'm not capable to cook one by myself)
So what I would like to have is a Kaiser ROM with a working Touchflo3d.
I've read and searched for hours and hours and found the rom from L26, but I think this had been an really early state. Now the drivers have changed and improved.
So is there anyone out there who is able to cook a rom (no matter if 6.1 or 6.5) with working TF3D and drivers?
I found out that there is a working version in this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507
But it was not working with my rom (M-Opal 1.0) due to cooked M2D.
So it would give hmm a bounty of 35€ (€ not dollars) if anyone would prepare a working, fast rom with TF3D.
And I am also sure that there will be a lot of other useres who would love it.
Best regards,
Matthias
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there are already tf3d roms and if your looking for one that will work flawlessly on our kaisers, not gonna happen.

Leo (L26) made a decent rom L26_KaiserTouch_V4_M3D that actually encompasses TF3d. I have not tried the others but I do love his rom even though it is not as smooth.

I wonder how it will work with 6.5 drivers. I'm going to take a shot at cooking it into josh's rom for you. We'll see how this goes.

Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
Because I've seen a lot of videos on Youtube where it is running smooth and it also seems nearly bugless.
Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf_gjMFBHs
or these one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDduRgWFweM&feature=related
What I want to fullfil my bounty should be:
1. Running TF3D
2. OpenGl-Drivers integrated in ROM (I think it is necessary to use TF3D)
3. The Standby bugfix should be integrated, which is located under the link in my first post.
4. Look and Feel like on the Videos (not any kind of "Tiger" or strange "Tribal" as system theme)
Optional but highly welcome: German Language
Or is it possible to install some kind of language pack? (I'm using WM since hmm 6 or 7 years but I've never seen such a thing)
I've tried the L26 ROM and it was not satifying to me because the speed was really low compared to the TF3D's on the youtube videos and it seemed very buggy.
If I'm not completely wrong, the version of TF3D from my first post is in an advanced state compared with the on from L26.
Thanks in Advance!
Would be nice to find some people who will help to increase the bounty!

Maeffjus said:
Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
Because I've seen a lot of videos on Youtube where it is running smooth and it also seems nearly bugless.
Like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf_gjMFBHs
or these one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDduRgWFweM&feature=related
What I want to fullfil my bounty should be:
1. Running TF3D
2. OpenGl-Drivers integrated in ROM (I think it is necessary to use TF3D)
3. The Standby bugfix should be integrated, which is located under the link in my first post.
4. Look and Feel like on the Videos (not any kind of "Tiger" or strange "Tribal" as system theme)
Optional but highly welcome: German Language
Or is it possible to install some kind of language pack? (I'm using WM since hmm 6 or 7 years but I've never seen such a thing)
I've tried the L26 ROM and it was not satifying to me because the speed was really low compared to the TF3D's on the youtube videos and it seemed very buggy.
If I'm not completely wrong, the version of TF3D from my first post is in an advanced state compared with the on from L26.
Thanks in Advance!
Would be nice to find some people who will help to increase the bounty!
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Yes it can run smoothely'ish the problem encountered is lack of driver to be able to sleep device in the correct manor.

But there is a patch to solve that kind of problem or am I wrong?
Q: Whenever I try and put the device into sleep mode, it powers off instead?
A: Try disabling the today time-out. Also, make sure you installed the standby CAB right.
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Taken from the Linked TF3D thread...

Maeffjus said:
But there is a patch to solve that kind of problem or am I wrong?
Taken from the Linked TF3D thread...
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No there are work arounds but no real fix

Im still TF3D fan, but after many bug and slow on my Kaiser, i have to move on.. if somebody create or develop ROM with it, i will give a try..

With that standby fix Touchflo3d is disabled automatically before sleep mode. Biggest problem for me was that when the device wakes up it needs to launch touchflo again and that process was kinda slow. Sometimes it just get stuck and needed softreset.
Still, I would be curious to see how smooth tf3d would be cooked in with newest builds and drivers...Also, if I remember right 3d drivers won't work if you have super ram hack in your rom.

Whatever ;-) ...
Also, if I remember right 3d drivers won't work if you have super ram hack in your rom.
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I don't mind if there is a super-ram-hack or what else, in my opinion it should WORK
Also I think that all of you shall take a look in your money-bag if there is a possibility to make it a little more lucrative to work on such a rom.
As I also stated out that I will pay my full bounty only if it is able to run on latetest state of development - that means not that the chef has to develop touchflo3d once again but without bugs ;-) it means only that it should be able to run as good as possible at the moment.
But as I read yesterday evening, I saw that there are maybe two possibilities to get rid of the standby bug, but - forgive me - if did not looked detailed at these solutions - so I don't know how these work but maybe one of them is working better?
And when I'm right - all the roms with TF3D cooked in are with an earlier driver-version. The younger versions of the driver have improved, if I understood the development news made in the dev. and hack. section.
The TF3D-cooked-in-rom-threads are nearly all dated arround december '08 - and I read a lot of them

Maeffjus said:
Why should there be no interest in TF3D on a Kaiser? (@denco)
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I am not saying that if you posted a working TF3d rom that no one would flash it, I would. But what is the effort /reward ?
What about it would make it better than my M2D rom ? Or anyone's 6.5 rom.
Enough great chefs put more than enough time into it, and could not get adequate drivers to make it smooth enough to keep as an everyday rom nor could they get by the stand by problem.
TF3D is M2D with some nice 3D touches that is all, am I missing something ? Is it head and shoulders above M2D or Neo Titanium, I don't think so. Which is why no one really cares to put in all the effort to make it work , nor is anyone really willing to spend any funds to make it work.
I am not being a contrarian or a nay sayer just for arguement sake, really With M$ coming out with cHome and Titanium, SPB out with MS 3, HTC coming out with Sense, there is a reason why people took porting TF3D as far as they could and then lost interest.

O.K. 0,5 Points for you
But I think that Sense is only for Andoid? Correct me if I'm doing wrong...
My problem is, that my Kaiser (and i think all others too) have not such a good touch screen accuracy... mine is terrible.
(yes, I cleaned out the frame and the edges...but on my bosses Kaiser the screen accuracy is also bad! - Compared to my - slow but accurate - P4350).
In my opinion the touchflo concept is one of the best solutions ever developed. But for me in person TF3D would be a nice looking (and little improved) upgrade. I'm already using M2D and I like it, but what I also like very much is for example the animated weather and the improved look and feel.
I have also tried 6.5 but with the terrible accuracy of my screen it is not so funny to use.. also it is not running such smooth as M2D and I in person think titanium is not everyones favourite choice. What i also do not like is the Honeycomb-Style... looks nice, but thats all.. O.k. the kinetic scrolling is good and thats one thing I like . But thats the only improvement I could see at WM6.5.
So whats your opinion: Is a rom with newest drivers and so on not for everydays use capable due to a lot of buggy functions? (I dont't know - I never used one ).

If I remember right, all the legendary cooks have tired TF3D and it doesnt work as it is supposed in Kaiser. Kaiser is just not made for TF3D. TF3D is more resource hungry, and our device just cant handle it.
I do believe there is a cab for TF3D available! Take a good lite 6.5 ROM with memory hack, and load it with TF3D, you will see if it will be able to handle it or not.

I had it working kinda decent with 6.5...just kept throwing drivers at it until i found a decent setup. But i was just wanting to see how it would be like you. When i get home i will look if i still have the file and send it to you. I cant even remember what all i had with it though lol. But like everyone has said its still slow with the newest drivers and such.

I cant find the file....but i will work on it this weekend.

Here is one that I had downloaded when the TF3D thread was alive. This does not have standby in it. So if you want to turn off your phone, then you need to find a stanby fix by somebody!

Hmm in my first post is another source for the TF3D, which has bigger files - there you'll find also the Audio Manager etc.

Has this thread died ?

New and need feedback

Hey there Im new to the forums and heres my question and I apologize in advance since im sure that this will be a bit redundant.
Ok first off Im looking for a ROM thats got the best mix of performance and looks. Ive been looking at NRG's roms and they look great but Im just not sure, thats why Im asking.
Ok next is the Radios. Is there a noticeable difference in versions? And are they region dependent, as in one that works great in Australia but doesn't work that good in the US. I dont think there would be a difference but I want to be sure thats why im asking.
Next is apps. Whats the must have apps for the phone. Assuming that your running wm 6.5. Im looking for anything really, just list what you think is the best.
Lastly is games. Which emulators run the smoothest. Whats the best winmo games out there. And is there a ported quake, doom and hopefully my fav fallout 1 or 2?

1) NRG has amazing ROMs. I have been using NRG's roms since I started flashing it and have rarely been unhappy (if I was, it was a minor problem that was promptly fixed in the next release)
2) radios are highly dependent on your carrier and your own specific phone. some radios work better on you phone and some worse. take it for a test run over a few days (3-4 would be a decent amount)
3)apps... that's up to you there. I personally have:
Where is...? - an app that pulls the gps location and allows you to save it so you can recall and walk back to the location later.
G-Alarm - the alarm that requires you to do mazes or math questions to unlock snooze or turn off. Extremely flexible (choose your music, date schedule, pattern, snooze style, etc)
Garmin XT - if you can find a hacked version, it will make your life easier.
Google Maps - for the most updated locations of stuff you want to find
CleanRAM - occaisionally you run into something that is slugging your phone down. run this program to keep it running
Task Facade - MUST USE. It essentially acts like ALT-TAB for windows. just assign the short PTT button press to task facade and you'll be able to multitask real fast.
4) games. look around for the touchpro mega arcade pack. you get real old classic games like UNO (addictive.. really addictive), dope wars (nostalgic), space trader (also very nostalgic), minesweeper, etc etc. In terms of emulators, try FPSECE. I have yet been able to configure it properly, but it is supposedly able to play most PS1 games with great quality and little to no stuttering.
PS: please note that these are additional programs are ones that are not in NRG's ROM (except goggle maps. It was worth a mention for its special use)
I hope that helps.
EDIT: I did forget to mention. Welcome to XDA Developer.

So whats the difference between the Sense, TF3D, and Titanium? Obviously theyre different interfaces but is sense really that slow compared to the others?
Sense looks the best but I hear that its just slow compared to the others.
And how about XDANDROID? Any thoughts if its ready for full time use? I know that some things like bt, camera, and gps dont work right now but Id be willing to sacrifice those for the great os. Is there any info on stability and battery life of the new release?
Sorry for all the questions, Ive been on here reading all weekend but some things are so hard to figure out with the 300+ page threads.
Thanks

XDAndroid:
Im using it as my main OS, but I realy need charger in my pocket =D
And sometimes it freeze, so you must restart, waiting for WM boot and after for Android boot, so it sometimes take long time. But YES, it is possible to use as main OS.
TF3D - orginally made for VGA and Raph, but need some tweaks, have landscape,normlay slow, but tweaked is fast
Sense 2.5 - latest, nice , sometimes unstable, NO landscape, ported,sometimes slow
Sense 2.1 - ported, nice, have landscape - my favorite (im using it when im in WM),fast
Titanium - basic interface from WM 6.5 , have landscape, made for VGA, but i dont like it
I can recommend EnergyROM Phoenix2 -it is fast, stable and it looks nice

MiTMaNeK pretty much has it all down. I personally use Sense 2.1 and I absolutely love it. try out NRG's roms. They're amazing and he's one of the better chefs out there for the raphael roms.

WOW well thanks alot for the informative replies. I guess that settles it then, phoenix2 it is. Well at least till what sounds like a battery issue gets fixed. Hopefully thats soon, I cant wait for full time android.
Thanks alot

give the android rom some time. it'll be much better in the future. for now, try phoenix 2 and you'll appreciate it more.