First of all, I would like to congratulate you on running such an active worldwide community all linked by just one devotion to technology. This is my first post though I have been following this forum for a while. I am getting a new Tornado ( The deal was unbeatable!!) and I am pretty much excited.
I am searching for a cutting(/bleeding) edge ROM or even a Kitchen to spice up my new Tornado and I am prepared to learn the tricks and tools required to have a fully-functional and bug-free ( I hope I can, with your help!) 6.1 ROM having all the important and offering good usability and functionality to the end user ( ME! ).
So, what do you suggest? I am prepared for a steep learning curve, that usually accompanies this kind of a quest
My Opinion ...
I use actualy BlacKura Wm 6.1 Profesional rom. I like the fonts, are small, and the resolution is like PC screen. I wass able to install SPB Menu Shel 2.14, what i like most, + is a Office build in. What is verry useeful at least for me.
Lacks? Hmmm there are some aplications specialy donne for SP (smartphone) what tell me it can't been instaling on this device, what i understand because this rom is not designed for SP.
If u actually try this rom ( remeber to free your aplication lock) , remember u have a fake cursor ( like a mouse what u can use with joystick ) , what can be enabled by pressing home key for 3 secs ( that one what enable the Start menu)
Other ROms ( beleve me i wass tryd almost all) i dont like, the fact are kinda WM5 ( big fonts , menu like anyother cell without WM ).
Regards Camelia .
Touchscreen?
Actually even I am looking for a ROM with a small font size. And judging by what you say, the ROM supports the programs written for a touchscreen device, right?
So how do you operate the cursor, I mean how do you click or drag? Is this method fast? I found out that the ROM is fast, but I could not get the way it works. So please shed some light on this.
If you like profesional ROMs, try also kamikadze's
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455950
It is great looking, small font. As for how to use professional ROMs that are ment for touchscreen devices, as kingoldstyle suggested, use SPB Menu Shell application, it allows you to move through menus very quickly using number buttons. Also, sursor can be activated and moved with a joystick, not so fast and comfortable, but I rarely use it with mine phone, only when I need to set alarm. Other than that, I dont need cursor.
Shell?
Thanks a lot for your reply.
And where can I get the Shell?
Apps
Should I install touchscreen or smartphone applications in this ROM?
And what is the performance benefit when compared to the Smartphone ROM?
Will the Professional ROM support Point UI in the Faraday?
You can try them all. Some touchscreen applications are difficult and slow to use, so its up to you to decide what you want with your phone. I use smartphone applications mostly. I installed professional ROM because I like the good look of it (in combination with spb shell). The ROM is very fast, I didnt measure their performance, because when I installed it for the first time I just loved it. Some people here say its faster.
Check your PM.
I tested Point UI Home 1.51 on my Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado) with WM Professional ROM and works great and I don't need use FakeCursor.
I think that, Professional ROM is faster than Smartphone ROM on HTC Tornado. I use Professional ROM on my smartphone about 9 months and I wouldn't return on smartphone ROM.
Thanks.
Thanks a lot, everybody.
I shall upgrade as soon as it reaches me.
Oh, the wait!!!
Qazer said:
I tested Point UI Home 1.51 on my Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado) with WM Professional ROM and works great and I don't need use FakeCursor.
I think that, Professional ROM is faster than Smartphone ROM on HTC Tornado. I use Professional ROM on my smartphone about 9 months and I wouldn't return on smartphone ROM.
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Have you tried SPB shell, and if yes, do you find PointUI better, and why?
Goran_: for me is better Point UI than SPB Mobile Shell. Point UI is faster and nicer for me.
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Does anyone want to test wm6.1 professional for VOX?
If you are, you will have to write me a message
Thanks
professional on Vox?
I know hacks exist but is working for real ?
A little bit more info and serious please!
There was a test which didnt start
kozhura said:
Here is test version
1.WM 6.1 Professional
CE OS 5.2.19209 (Build 19209 .1.0.2)
2.Deleted melodies
3.Only english mui, other was missed
This is a TEST VERSION!
But you cant brik your device because its only OS and other was deleted (IPL,Splash,SPL,Radio)
You must do the Super CID and uspl unlock before flashing ROM
DOWNLOAD
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This rom is not compatible on Vox - device: BRE100 CID: QTEC Z12 version 1.43.706... this is not Vox, i'm tested
ok, ill put next rom
kozhura said:
ok, ill put next rom
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This sounds great, would love to see some screen shots in the first post to see what it looks like.
Roland
Yea, I'd like to see here more info and some screenshots.. I don't believe that this is possible, because of complete different hardware.. Being a little sceptic.
I'm not admired that there's a possibility of using WM pro in the VOX...you have something similar on the Startrek (QTEK 8500): link
I will surely like to test it .
But I need to know if this will really work? If you have the ROM and test on your VOX/710, please post some images and scribe a little description about, so that we can analyze before we proceed to test
Sounds very interesting!
They have got WM6.1 Professional ported to the Wings from the Kizer in the Wings forum, maybe that's the place to ask for advice in porting WM6.1 Professional to the Vox http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389089
Roland
Pro..
Keep cool, i am not finished with this...and there are no helpfull posts within...
But how do you think to use it without touchscreen?
It will be far from user friendly...
Oh my...believe me, it is useable.
First;
A POCKET PC IS NOT ONLY HIS TOUCHSCREEN!!!
AND A SMARTPHONE IS NOT ONLY A POCKETCAMERA....or anything else than a SmartPhone.
The PRO OS works well on SP, the OS is nearly useable like Standart, (no big differences, you can navigate with dpad+softkeys on ppc, too...)
It is like a PPC with the lack of a Touchscreen, you can carry most of the PPC apps you love,but not be able to install on your Standart-SP...
Most SP-Apps wont install,because there are differences in some Cab-Configs, but most of them works well......and the VOX/WINGS got a qwerty/z Keypad...ideal to use as SIP..
Ive a StarTrak and a Tornado, both are running PRO, i like it, sure, its not useable like a PPC with Touchscreen, but nice to have.
AND DONT FORGET;Smartphones are mostly similar with the PPCHardware (exept the Touchscreen, stop buggin me)
I really hope you get it working sounds great.
especially since I miss one major feature in wm6(.1) standard: WIFI proxy.
it's not possible (as far as I know) to use an http proxy on your wifi connection.. which is a pitty.
if you get it working, I'll most likely install it
arpy said:
Oh my...believe me, it is useable.
First;
A POCKET PC IS NOT ONLY HIS TOUCHSCREEN!!!
AND A SMARTPHONE IS NOT ONLY A POCKETCAMERA....or anything else than a SmartPhone.
The PRO OS works well on SP, the OS is nearly useable like Standart, (no big differences, you can navigate with dpad+softkeys on ppc, too...)
It is like a PPC with the lack of a Touchscreen, you can carry most of the PPC apps you love,but not be able to install on your Standart-SP...
Most SP-Apps wont install,because there are differences in some Cab-Configs, but most of them works well......and the VOX/WINGS got a qwerty/z Keypad...ideal to use as SIP..
Ive a StarTrak and a Tornado, both are running PRO, i like it, sure, its not useable like a PPC with Touchscreen, but nice to have.
AND DONT FORGET;Smartphones are mostly similar with the PPCHardware (exept the Touchscreen, stop buggin me)
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There is also Fake Curser that will do the job of the stylus/ finger on a touch screen to close apps and to change to different tabs in apps.
This sounds very prommising if it can be pulled off.
Rioland
You should be able to boot a Professional from the HTC Wizard since they have the very same hardware, but I don't know if the lcd driver would work.
Anyway, you should know, the Omap 850 cpu has native support for touchscreen, if you can find where the pins connect, you could possibly adapt it (assuming you can find a 2.4" 4 wire touch panel).
Another option would be using the mini-usb jack. The cpu has both client and host side usb support. If it's mapped to the connector, and you can make windows put the usb in host mode you can connect a mouse, touchscreen or whatever you want and use it from there (if you get external power to the device you are connecting)
My vox is still under repair (3rd week already) so cannot test anything yet sorry
i would love to try it...
How long will it be until we see the first test version of this ROM?
Roland
Hi, i need know if is really problematic make(cook) a rom of PPC for the tornado, same the ok KAMIKAZZE, please any help i need know how to work on it.
really thank for help.
thanks
Any help?? pleaseee no one use the kamikazze rom??
thanks
My respect to those who do use it WM6.1PRO on a Tornado. However, there isn't much sense on doing so when we already have a WM6.1 for Tornado. You should try it out. Works very nice!
markanthonypr said:
My respect to those who do use it WM6.1PRO on a Tornado. However, there isn't much sense on doing so when we already have a WM6.1 for Tornado. You should try it out. Works very nice!
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i beg to differ markanthonypr there is some sence put it in to a tornado rom and that is just for the sake of it having a profesional rom on a smathphone it just looks cool plus its not that hard to use it without a touch screen, i had it on my phone for several month's with no problems at all aside from the emulator as you already guess it it makes evry emulator with touch support enable it self so it do sent let you use as you would on a standard rom that made me switch to my current rom that is to a standard one, so all in all it makes sence it's yust depends on what you like tha's y there's a saying (To Each its Own)
I agree, I make full use of my tornado with a pro rom. There is absolutely no problem in using it without the touch screen, apart from some program that is not optimized for the d-pad.
Again, my respects to all who have the patience to play with the Fack Cursor. I can't! I did try 2 Pro rom's, they were great, very fast and stable, however... whenever there is a beter solution than Fack Cursor, I would consider it, menwhile, I'm stuck with Standard.
I'm interested the same - cooking WM6.1 Pro ROM for Tornado.
I have PL MUI files for WM6.1 Pro, but i must integrate this with ROM. How do can this?
In one page of China i saw lot of wm 6.1 prof fo the tornado but all in chinese, if any know how to cook one with out the chinese lenguage, i think can help me.
thank
I'm trying to build my own kicthen for WM6.1 Pro, but it's possible?
i dont know if it is posible, but i saw lot of roms in chinese page.
I use virtuamouse, it's not freeware but it's better than fake cursor. If I had to cook a rom anyway I would put fakecursor too, because virtuamouse sporadically fails to show up in some application.
If you cook I'm in to test. I have 2 tornado's, both with a pro rom.
I would like to integrate the touchflo 2d, but I can't install because of storage space. It would be nice to find a storage card version.
I have the same problem with TouchFlo 2D. I tried to modify CAB to install on storage card, but is still installing to storage space. Any information for TouchFlo 2D on memory card is needed.
EDIT: Any news about kitchen for WM6.1 Pro for Tornado ?
I Just flashed the Tornado with the RC6, and although it is indeed in russian, i've noticed the VGAKEY is simply set to primary language russian. However, i was unable to find the key that will enable me to scroll up and do the changes.
I'm guessing i'm gonna need to install a "cursor" and then once you change the VGAKEY to english primary, it should all be in english i'm guessing
Is not this. In RC5, VGAKEY primary language is Russian, but all ROM is in English. I tried to set English in RC6, but this is impossible without programs.
If rom is in russian you can't install english afterwards... Can anyone confirm if I'm right?
p.s.: Can anyone contact Kamikadze to earn his kitchen or any info?
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Again, my respects to all who have the patience to play with the Fack Cursor. I can't! I did try 2 Pro rom's, they were great, very fast and stable, however... whenever there is a beter solution than Fack Cursor, I would consider it, menwhile, I'm stuck with Standard.
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I use kamikadze's pro ROM and the only time I need to use cursor is when setting alarm. Otherwise, buttons can do all the work. So, patience is not something that is needed with it. Just install mobile shell and admire the masterpiece of look/functionality.
By the way, I dont know if there is a new version of kamikadze's ROM, but the one that I use (installed it ten days ago) has an english version, you just need to set english in regional settings.
Hellow guyz, Yesterday i traded my blue angel with Tornado
Now i have installed rose v20279 WM6.1 rom which isa bit slow in typing SMS characters.
I want a WM6.1 rom which is most fast responsive to key strokes.
Plz guide me and thanx for looking into this thread (which most ppl dont do, i mostly help others but now i want it)
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I know no one will ever care to reply and I amd tired of volume control bug in rose's rom, also slow response is driving me crazy
I already know that every one here is in miserable condition to jsut figure out whats best for himself, So, I should STFup and start downloading about 200MB of roms and testing them myself[/b]
Try Pro
The WM 6.1 Kamikadze is the best rom that I have used so far. As always YMMV. The texting is great as it is very fast. And I can tune xT9 to work as I want it to. Actually, the whole interface is real fast. Out of the 6-7 6.1 roms that I have used, I liked this one the most..
Borther just a quick question on the go:
Will installing a professional rom on smartphone invoke any complexity regarding touch screen responses?
How are the touch screen responses covered in that rom?
THANK YOU FOR THE COME BACK
I am also using Kamikadze Pro ROM it is really great experience.. No complexity at all. only thing is you may need to asign some shortkeys for your convenience.
You can try disabling the text prediction, it might speeds things up
dark_prince,
I see what you are talking about. I had to read your post in the Rose thread to understand. It sounds like you are not using t9.
If I use "abc" mode and enter letters really fast it will occasionally miss one. I don't see this behavior with t9 or xt9.
I run the Akeo rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426499) and it is the fastest rom I have used, hands down. It boots in half the time of Nitro's 6.0 rom. I'm sure that the Rose rom is comparable. Akeo's does have drawbacks (no WiFi or Midi) if you care. I haven't used a PRO rom, but I highly doubt that it will make life easier.
My only suggestion is to embrace t9. It really does make typing faster.
-Scott
Hey thanx for the comeback.
actually, in SMS, there are alot of constraints
-> 160 characters limit
-> English is not my native language
-> T9 usually types the civilized English (with full spellings)
I prefer Wifi, i already did tested akeo rom and only drawback it has is of wifi(which i need alot at university)
I have recently seen alot of ROMS for WM6.5 and they all look the same from the screenshots.... ugly!
I mean what is with all the HUGE text listed down the screen, am I the only one who thinks this is a stupid setup? What happened to the Start Menu and clean today setup?
Are people just updating to WM6.5 just 'cos its 6.5, or do you actually like the look of it? Please give your opinions on WM6.5, and more importantly what is the difference between WM6?
I am using WM6.1 on 2 of my devices as I like the Today Screen feel and the way everything is set out. I am contemplating putting 6.5 on a device just to test it out, is it really worth it? is it customizable to make the home screen not just BIG words down the screen? maybe a clock even lol.
thanks everyone for your opinions.
i think it looks great.
As long as you have good apps installed to cover nasty WM UI no matter if you have 6.1 or 6.5
I personally do not like the honeycomb, but I do like that the hole UI is more finger friendly
Let´s see the WM7!! hope they really impress us
I like it because its 6.5 that .4 of more awesome 1337ness!!!! lol.. I actually just like the better slightly larger menu buttons. the new start menu is neither here nor there for me.. I don't like titanium, it has potential, but till you can have more than one link on click per panel it is pretty lame to me.. seems to take more effort to get to my necessary apps with it than without it.. I have been using wad2 on my last few flashes. My device is i910 Omnia, with the BlazingWolf 7.1 rom.
On my observation, the main advantages of WM6.5 over WM6.1 are:
RAM Managemenet: In WM6.5 I never need to run the apps to clear RAM. Any time I quit a program, the RAM will be released imediately.
Power Consumption Controll: The battery life is noticably enlonged copare using WM6.1, on same load.
Connectivity: One example is on WM6.1 any time I'm using Internet Sharing I need to manually switch phone band to WCDMA to ensure stable fast data connection. And if I forget to switch it back to GSM or Auto after finished the Internet Sharing, phone calls on 3G mode will drain the battery very fast. But on WM6.5, I noticed that I don't need to switch phone band again, just leave it as Auto. The OS is so smart that it knows what time to switch to what band. Example, when I use internet sharing, it will stay at 3G for most of the time. When I make or receive a phone call, it will switch to GSM immediately after the phone connected.
Finger Touch Experience For this I don't explain more, it's just much more comfortable on finger/stylus responds.
Third Party Apps Interface: Well I'm not a developer, but from the changes on some registry structure, I can definitely tell that WM65 will be more friendly to third party application developers.
These are very core elements of a mobile os. The progress of wm65 on these points is obviously noticable.
But because the change of the core. It causes a big problem on legacy apps compatibility. People find that a lot of apps running well on wm6 just can never run on wm65.
But I think currently both Microsoft and third party software vendors are working tight on this issue. At least for most part of popular softwares, we can find a wm65 compatible version now. But for some speciall software, we can not find it if the developer did not upgrade it.
For sure, there are certain advantages of using 6.5 over 6.1. (The advantage is not only 'skin' things that you can see it, more important is on the 'core'.)
Hence your choice just depend on what softwares you're using. If for all your 'must-have' softwares you can find a WM6.5 compatible version or its replacement, why not use WM6.5.
Edit: I don't like the Titanium & the headache to customize it either. I just disabled it & leave an 'empty today', but with HButton, I can reach all frequently used apps within one single touch.
The RAM used by Titanium is 3.5MB+, compares to HTC Home @1.5MB+, & M2D @ 7MB+.
I like the looking of Honeucomb,(for showup only), but I also use QuickMenu, which is more functional.
Must to say that above experience are from the single ROM I've used only, maybe there are performance variaties on different ROMs & devices.
And at last, one of my most favarite part is the new PIE, it definitely can display whatever a desktop ie does except only one tab allowed.
I like 6.5. I find it runs pretty well on the kaiser, and I prefer its look to the old Windows 3.x interface found in the older versions. Plus, the finger scrolling is superb. And if you don't like the honeycomb, there are other start menu layouts, one example here. WM6.5 is just a band-aid to hold us over until WM7, but it's still a step in the right direction for Microsoft.
Dave
Yes, I think i will be waiting for wm7, but i just can't help myself any longer and I am going to take the plunge to wm6.5 on my Elfin or Wizard just to give it a go, I think it should run well on the elin with the RAM it has and without really checking out the custmizations, my assumptions is basically on the interface on standard screenshots i have seen.
thanks for the input guys, only a flash will i be able to add further opinions, as i am a heaver modder, and would need this to offer proper insight into the OS.
I've bounced back and forth between a couple 6.1 and 6.5 ROMs. I use TouchFLo because I hate 6.1's today screen and Titanium is pretty bland. I think that the current touchflo manila 2.1 is about the best you can get for WM6.1 currently, but I don't think manila 2.1 is streamlined for WM6.5. I feel like I'm taking a step back in integration and fluidness when I use Touchflo 2.1 and WM6.5. Not much, but it just seems off. This leads me to think that the new manila 2.5 is HTC's update to bring that integration and fluidness to WM6.5. The specualtion is that manila 2.5 is going to be for the new Firestone. While that is probably true, HTC has also mentioned that the new Topaz and Rhodium will get WM 6.5 upgrades. I would like to assume that this upgrade will also include manila 2.5 because if I feel that WM6.5 and TouchFlo 2.1 is lacking a complete feel then I would take that HTC has also noticed this. Yeah, I'm rambling I know. Just my thoughts. Bottom line on WM6.5 is that it seems like Microsoft just made a piss poor attempt at skinning there relic OS. That just pertains to the aesthetics though. I know there were unseen changes that do have their benefits.
(Sorry for all the "I feel and I would assumes", just ponderings)
I understand that the professional is for touchscreens and standard is for nontouchscreens, but if thats is the case why are there both for the tornado? I thought it was only standard...
iteo,
just because it is technically possible and some people like Pro ROMs.
So coockers just rip roms from other devices or dowload them and repack for Tornado.
P.S. And of course such custom ROMs are not supported by manufacturers or microsoft.
I think the more accurate reasons would be: Stability and Speed
I've had WM5/6/6.1/6.5 Standard and now 6.5 Professional on the Tornado
I can say without a doubt that the Pro works WAY faster! it works 10 times faster then my S730! which is 400mhz compared to Tornado's 200mhz CPU!
You got more application options available to you as well! but overall i've had no issues with Pro and it just takes getting used to, but the job made on the Pro ROM's is absolutely amazing and the phone responds so much better then a Standard OS ever did on it!
I have two questions
1) How can you operate a Pro ROM with Keyboard ?
2) Is it possible to make pro ROMS for other non-touch Windows phone also (Like Vox) ?
Regarding question 1, you simply operate it with Arrow keys instead of a touch screen. Also most Pro rom's have been made with optional mouse to navigate (for example holding the Vol Down key for a few sec will make the mouse cursor appear and holding it down again will make it disappear).
If it's possible to do on other Non-Touch? i suppose it is possible if someone will want to do it, unfortunately i'm not one that would know how to but i sure would love seeing a Pro rom on my S730 device!
Sefy, if you can test this i try make WM6.5 Pro rom for Wings.
do you need to download a cursor emulator for pro ROMS? or do they come already with the ROM?
comes built into 6.5 pro roms available here, its called fakecursor i believe. But it does not move as quickly as I like but hey it works!
my tornado's joystick acts like odd,
Can any body report, how Nine Way Keypad goes with a pro rom?