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I plan to buy a Touch pro, but I have a few concerns.
I spent hours reading the forums here, but I still would like to ask a couple of questions :
(BTW, I currently own an XDA IIi)
- the screen size : I am used to my 3.5" XDA IIi screen, and I don't know if I will really miss the size despite the improved resolution on TP. What do you think of the Touch Pro screen ? Is it OK for browsing? games?
- Windows Mobile 7 : I know it's a bit early to talk about upgrading to WM 7.0 but if I buy TP, I'll have to keep it for 3 years (just as I did with my XDAIIi). I know it's highly improbable that HTC releases an official update but what about unofficial roms here? I lived a true nightmare with my XDAIIi, which is BTW a very good PPC, but the lack of WM updates killed the device as an increasing number of applications won't run on WM2003SE.
Is it true that WM 7.0 will require multitouch screens?
- Google Android : there's a working version on Kaiser. Is there any chance Android will be ported to TP?
- Community size : I am surprised by the small community size on the Raphael forums. Well, it ain't very small but it's way smaller than Diamond's or Kaiser's for instance ! Only a few cooked ROMs (compared to Diamond again), many "chiefs" were supposed to buy the TP, but they still didn't and with the announcement of Touch HD, I'm afraid they won't ! I hope I'm wrong, though !
- Issues and bugs : I know there will be bugs, but is the device "more buggy" than the previous HTC models?
P.S. I thought about getting a Diamond but the lack of microSD and the 900 mAh battery are unacceptable for me. Moreover, the keyboard and the TV-out are certainly a plus !
I also cannot wait for Touch HD (which seems pretty decent ) simply because there are no HTC devices in my place, and my only chance to get one is during my travel to Dubai in October !
I plan to buy a Touch pro, but I have a few concerns.
I spent hours reading the forums here, but I still would like to ask a couple of questions :
(BTW, I currently own an XDA IIi)
- the screen size : I am used to my 3.5" XDA IIi screen, and I don't know if I will really miss the size despite the improved resolution on TP. What do you think of the Touch Pro screen ? Is it OK for browsing? games?
It's great, the resolution makes it look so much nicer. Don't know if I'd watch a full movie on it, then again I wouldn't watch a full movie on an iPhone, I don't like staring at sub-5-inch screens for 3 hours.
- Windows Mobile 7 : I know it's a bit early to talk about upgrading to WM 7.0 but if I buy TP, I'll have to keep it for 3 years (just as I did with my XDAIIi). I know it's highly improbable that HTC releases an official update but what about unofficial roms here? I lived a true nightmare with my XDAIIi, which is BTW a very good PPC, but the lack of WM updates killed the device as an increasing number of applications won't run on WM2003SE.
Is it true that WM 7.0 will require multitouch screens?
Multi-touch is all in the software (I thought?), same screen hardware... But there's no way to know what it will require or support yet.
- Google Android : there's a working version on Kaiser. Is there any chance Android will be ported to TP?
I'd give it a 90% chance that eventually we'll have it happen. It's even on devices like the Blue Angel.
- Community size : I am surprised by the small community size on the Raphael forums. Well, it ain't very small but it's way smaller than Diamond's or Kaiser's for instance ! Only a few cooked ROMs (compared to Diamond again), many "chiefs" were supposed to buy the TP, but they still didn't and with the announcement of Touch HD, I'm afraid they won't ! I hope I'm wrong, though !
It's more expensive than the Diamond, it hasn't even been released on the US by ANY carrier, I wouldn't worry about the amount of developers out there... Once the prices go down with contracts here in the states you'll see a lot more. (Think of how many people in the Kaiser section bought it for $299 with AT&T)
- Issues and bugs : I know there will be bugs, but is the device "more buggy" than the previous HTC models?
Meh, I didn't see many bugs on my AT&T version at all, but the HTC ROM is slow as hell so I've been told. I'm sure ROM updates in the future will speed it up, the Sprint version looks quite fast as well.
P.S. I thought about getting a Diamond but the lack of microSD and the 900 mAh battery are unacceptable for me. Moreover, the keyboard and the TV-out are certainly a plus !
Agreed, no way 4GB fixed storage is enough (Garmin Mobile XT maps of North America is like 3.75 GB alone!)
I also cannot wait for Touch HD (which seems pretty decent ) simply because there are no HTC devices in my place, and my only chance to get one is during my travel to Dubai in October !
Keep in mind, the Touch HD won't have a keyboard... Quite a setback.
Hope I've helped, any more questions, ask away.
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I plan to buy a Touch pro, but I have a few concerns.
I spent hours reading the forums here, but I still would like to ask a couple of questions :....
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Well, the screen size just a compromise between size and usability. Since it's a VGA screen you will probably get almost the same screen estate as with your current PDA.
Windows 7, will probably find it's way on Touch Pro. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Multitouch is not based in software, but in Hardware. A phone either has Multitouch either doesn’t. You can't install multitouch... But again, I wouldn't worry about it. Windows 7 doesn't require Multitouch, but they support it.
Google Android will probably find its way on TP soon. If it can run on a Kaiser, it can run on a TP soon.
As for the community size, it will grow. Besides, except ROMS everything else (Themes, Apps, etc) are shared with the Diamond developers.
The device is definitely less buggy than any older HTC model. It works like a charm, right out the box. Any issue that you will face, it will be fixed with a search in the forum...
Finally (It was a lengthy post this one...), Touch HD is actually scheduled for October. So you might get lucky with your visit in Dubai...
Good luck with your choice mate... Hopefully I helped a bit.
Just a small comment about touch screens...
Multitouch screens are COMPLETELY different from single touch ones.
Multitouch requires capacitive screens (just like the Iphone)... these work like a notebook touchpad for example... You have to use your own bare fingers to use those.
Cheers
marios96 said:
Windows 7, will probably find it's way on Touch Pro. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Multitouch is not based in software, but in Hardware. A phone either has Multitouch either doesn’t. You can't install multitouch... But again, I wouldn't worry about it. Windows 7 doesn't require Multitouch, but they support it.
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It seems I wasn't fast enough to answer
Thank you for your quick and thorough replies
As for the HD, no keyboard is a drawback but I like the screen If I find it in Dubai (I'll be there till October, 30th), I may buy it (not sure though, it depends on the price, the initial reviews etc...)
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The device is definitely not less buggy than any older HTC model. It works like a charm, right out the box. Any issue that you will face, it will be fixed with a search in the forum...
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I think there's a typo here ! I think you meant : "not more buggy"
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I think there's a typo here ! I think you meant : "not more buggy"
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Yes! I have to correct that...
marios96 said:
Finally (It was a lengthy post this one...), Touch HD is actually scheduled for October. So you might get lucky with your visit in Dubai...
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Source plz? I haven't heard anything about a Touch HD release.
Thundarr The Barbarian said:
Source plz? I haven't heard anything about a Touch HD release.
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I read somewhere it will be in November. Nonetheless, there's the Gitex electronics trade show in Dubai in late October (a great one apparently). It might be an opportunity for HTC to launch the device !
Thundarr The Barbarian said:
Source plz? I haven't heard anything about a Touch HD release.
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Most of the sites talk about a Christmas release. Sure Christmas is in December, but holiday period starts from early November.
I have to admit that I was a bit optimistic when mentioning October! But the pictures and videos we see reveal a product very close to production... We also have October as the month that HTC will release Touch Viva and 3G...
Is it me or is this device just not all that popular?
I say this because if you look at the Diamond forum, that's busting with activity, and yet for some reason, the Raphael, which I fooking love I might add (frankly, if it doesn't have an integrated keyboard, it just doesn't win for me) - is just not attracting much attention.
I guess there's the fact it's a premium to the Diamond, and it's a bit fatter, but honestly, now that it's out, who here would still choose the diamond over it?
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Is it me or is this device just not all that popular?
I say this because if you look at the Diamond forum, that's busting with activity, and yet for some reason, the Raphael, which I fooking love I might add (frankly, if it doesn't have an integrated keyboard, it just doesn't win for me) - is just not attracting much attention.
I guess there's the fact it's a premium to the Diamond, and it's a bit fatter, but honestly, now that it's out, who here would still choose the diamond over it?
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Nope aint gonna happen. Methinks alot of the users who trawl endlessly from device to device have missed this in favour of the diamond. I prefer it to be a premium device with a less commercial crowd anyways, makes me enjoy my device a bit more if not many people have it. AND ofcourse, no keyboard means no go for me also.
Well the Diamond has been around a bit longer.
Since I leave my phone on my desk at work, most of my workmates have seen the Pro now. Only two had ever heard of HTC before. (Being in Finland, Nokia is pretty much what everyone has) But all asked more about it, and found it interesting. Even more so when I slid out the keyboard and showed that you can use the stylus to transcribe, then the real interest came about.
The Pro when not in use, just looks like a fat phone, and that scares some people. (Even though it is thinner than the N95 I upgraded from.)
Plus, I feel that the Diamond got a lot more push than the Pro seems to have done.
Luckily some apps on the Diamond do in fact work on the Pro, so not all is lost. But it is a shame that we have to look at two different forums. If the apps/hacks/tweaks work on both, then I think a lot more cross linking should be done!
I think the Diamond is the more available of the two at the moment (O2 UK don't have it) and a lot of people wanting to upgrade went there because this phone wasn't availbale.
On the keyboard ground though, the Kaiser was massively popular over the Polaris. Although, I'll be sticking with HW Keyboard devices from now on.
My 1.07775 pence
Ta
Dave
Have both Diamond and pro in our house
I like the diamond, but wife likes the pro, she does a lot more txt than me.
I think it's a case of the Diamond being around longer and the fact that in general it uses the same hardware. Therefore the questions that people ask are more likely to have been asked and answered on the diamond forum, than on here.
ryraum said:
I like the diamond, but wife likes the pro, she does a lot more txt than me.
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WTF! you just made the Pro a girly phone!
yeah, so we have our own little niche for now... sod the diamond, the Raphael is definitely superior, though AT&T's decision for the keyboard layout is crap
Also keep in mind that the touch pro is pretty much non-existent in the US. The diamond was just released here in the US with sprint, and the US 3G gsm version was also recently released, that's why you have so much interest. Once the touch pro is released by at&t you will see this forum explode with activity. The same thing happened last year when the kaiser was first released, and then when the tilt was released by at&t.
Girly Phone
Xtreme XL said:
WTF! you just made the Pro a girly phone!
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My good lady would love to girly, But is a senior manager and barks and bites.
(good job she can not read this)
My good lady would love to girly, But is a senior manager and barks and bites.
(good job she can not read this)
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you hope hehe
allot of my frined got the diamond and only me and a friend have the touch pro out of the 2 id say ours is better
my friend is on 02 and hes got one so 02 are selling them in the uk
tbh from day one i flashed the rom to romeos 1.05 and did a few little things to personalise it and its been really good so far my last handset was a kaiser and there are some things i miss from the the full screen tilt for instance should have been on this phone then it would have been perfect maybe thats just me spending a year with my kaiser (my girlfriend still thinks he kaiser is better) the t3d stuff took some getting used to but think the touch pro is a awesome handset
I know this is an international board, but I think once providers in the US start releasing it I expect a lot more activity in here.
I'm also surprised by the lack of action on the Raphael forum.
I've owned the Diamond (which is much more sexier than the Raphael). But I upgraded to the Raphael as soon as it became available because of the cardslot and more memory. I don't txt that much so the keyboard isn't that important to me (but nice to have )
Guess the Diamond is more popular at the moment. Or al lot of the Diamond owners are saving to upgrade to the Raphael
I think the Touch Pro will become more popular in time, but now maybe it's to expensive for some people. There are also a lot of people who purchased the Diamond and later on they discovered that the Touch Pro was coming out, one colleague of mine regrets that he has bought the Diamond.
but like Olipro said Nice device, now sod off
If I get my hands on one, and this is my local forum (so to speak) I would rather it was quieter. Athena Elf and to some extent Hermes were great (Hermes ws just a bit too big) but Kaiser was just too huge. And I used to spend a lot of time in the Diamond forums whe it first came out, but it instantly filled wth noobs (I know we all wer once) when it was released on the networks. Then I left because it went from interesting discussion about the device to problem solving.
I think the Pro is just too expensive to become insanely popular in a Diamond-esque way. In a similar way to the Athena, its for a pretty specifc user.
For people who dont mind the bulk but are just general users, they can get a kaiser for about £150 on ebay, or £200 new. Or if theyre a general user, but wnt small and thin, they can get a Diamond (£250) so £500 plus for this is a bit unjustifiable until prices drop...
So if I get one I hope it stays small like it is now, and with very knowledgable people rather than noobs.
Rory
Even the Touch Pro isnt released everywhere. In germany the Vario IV is in stock since today. I think in a few weeks this forum wil be much more popular.
Well I looked at the Diamond, but I'm glad I decided to hang out for the TP as it's clearly worth the wait IMO I think give it a few more months and there will be a lot more members posting here
I have also moved from diamond to pro, becuase of more memory and sd card + keyboard. But some reason, the only thing that bothers me , some roms on diamond are extremely fast..But on pro with all the custom roms I have used , for example programs scrolling and opera scrolling is still slow.
I just wish there is a bit more custom roms here,,,so that with competition , the roms will get better.
I believe(not a fact) the diamond people are holding out for the HTC touch HD which also just got the US FCC seal of approval and its due at the end of october. YAY.
I was originally going to get the HTC Touch pro but it was too expensive + there is a keyborad, which i dam not too fond of; then i saw a great deal on the diamond and plummet. So i sold off my HTC TOuch cruise for the price of the diamond, i am waiting patiently to get the HD.
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I believe(not a fact) the diamond people are holding out for the HTC touch HD which also just got the US FCC seal of approval and its due at the end of october. YAY.
I was originally going to get the HTC Touch pro but it was too expensive + there is a keyborad, which i dam not too fond of; then i saw a great deal on the diamond and plummet. So i sold off my HTC TOuch cruise for the price of the diamond, i am waiting patiently to get the HD.
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I might hold out for the HD + Keyboard (if it ever comes).
Every No Keyboard Device is followed by a Keyboard one, usually. *Fingers crossed*
Dave
1 - htc diamond 2
2 - htc touch pro 2
3 - htc hero
4 - htc firestone
& why ?
Out of those options, I'd buy a TP2.
I would however *consider* the HTC Hero as it seems like an interesting handset.
tp2 because it's the latest & greatest.
btw, your 1st post...welcome to the great xda forum.
so, wich one do u like & why?
TP2!!
Because is a buisness oriented device, it has nice keyboard and I like the design.
I don't know yet - that's the reason for the Poll
I'm looking to buy a do it all phone that can be customized and playied with and thinking of waiting for the firestone but how long and how much ?
so maybe just buy something now and keep it for 2/3 years
wanted to get your expert opinion first
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tp2 because it's the latest & greatest.
btw, your 1st post...welcome to the great xda forum.
so, wich one do u like & why?
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nobody seems too excited about the firestone - 0 vote
it's that becouse not enouth innovation or becouse it's too early and the release date & price is still a unknown ?
TD2 4 TEH WIN!!!
Reason= I have one
Diamond 2 or Hero, they look just great and have great specs...
yes TD2 looks really good and would probably be my choice right now but I was wondering if the TP2 was worth the extra money, about €200 (and save them to buy the device that will come AFTER the firestone) from the price that I see or to wait for the firestone if the price is similar to TP2
ofcourse the hero looks very promising and being open could develop/improve faster than waiting for WM7
is the firestone that much better and worth waiting for it or a ROM upgrade could make the TD2 close the gap to the TP2/Firestone
tehhoe about the TD2 do youu have any problem with the dust getting inside the cover?
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TD2 4 TEH WIN!!!
Reason= I have one
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I would probably buy Toshiba TG01 , But Since Im not in a Hurry Ill wait for HTC Superstar!!!!
BUT I DONT HAVE THE $$$$$$ FOR NONE!!!
Touch Pro2,
The keyboard has everything you need, especially the rare ctrl key.
Got a TG01 two weeks ago. Quite beta OS but a beautiful device!
TD2 or Hero, although the former is more realistic due to US carrier subsidization. I so want a TP2, but I just can't justify the extra hundred or so for the same lackluster internals. Plus I have smaller hands, and the TD2/Hero would probably be easier to navigate single-handed.
thanks
thanks to all who voted or give their opinion but my new toy will have to wait as I had to help a friend in need
well maybe the successor of the firestone will be something worth waiting for
Hero for me!
for me its a tie between tp2 and hero. but hero it is! all the while i thought the hero and the firestone are one and the same gadget. lol!
Of course TP2 ! Great abilitys , 5-row keyboard ...
The best and newest ! (well the toshiba tg01 is even not bad)
not too much enthusiasm for the firestone I see, shouldn't it be better than the TP2 ? better camera and new UI ok no keyboard but with a bigger screen should be ok the soft keyboard too or I'm missing something?
Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
HTC in my experience is awefull build quality. After owning four diferent models I have vowed never to own one again. Shame really, apart from the poor camera selection they are designed really well ..... just a shame they fall to bits.
Out of your list, would have to be TG01.
Have you looked at the new Omnia II's? (not the Omnia HD) Theres a full on Iphone/HD lookie-likely and two keyboard models, one a TP2 type and one a blackberry type.
Don't forget the Acer M900 (which is what I currently use) and the more pocket friendly F900.
Touch Pro 2 definetly
Because keyboard is a must for me!
Merge threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4181275#post4181275
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Yea i know there are alot of these threads so heres another.
My current phone the G1 is starting to break down so im looking for a new phone. I'm considering the Touch Pro2, Touch HD, Hero, and the Toshiba TG01. I have never used a windows mobile device before with the G1 being my first by HTC. I'm willing to try it as long as it has been prettied up some(TouchFlo or Stripes).
If you have either the Touch Pro2 or the Touch HD can you give me your experiences with them.
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I had windows mobile and even though preference is a matter of perspective.... windows might be a step in the wrong direction. Back when I had it windows was ahead of its time... but now it seems like its standing still ... like its been stagnant for the last 3 yrs I haven't seen any major differences...from android to winmo is going Back to resistive touch screens... with not so finger friendly gestures because the screens tend to not pick up on the motion... I would really love to see MS step it up and release a new os or 7.0 which I hope makes a major difference. Dont get me wrong for business i would only use winmo or BB... but at this point Android just seems like a wiser choice... its not an ancient OS that will probably bore you quickly. All the phones sound great ... if you want break down and comparisons then go to infosyncworld.com ... they rate the phones for you.
As somebody who's an advocate of Windows Mobile, my honest opinion is that now isn't a good time to buy a WinMo phone at all, especially not for the first time. The only people I would recommend the current batch of WM phones to are people who already use WM, don't want to learn a different system, and REALLY need a new device.
Here's why: Windows Mobile 6 has a real learning curve, and coming from Android you're probably going to find yourself frustrated at a lot of the inconsistencies and complications. Further, WM7 is already on the horizon and I think we'll be getting our first real peeks at it before the year is out. It should be a massive, fundamental overhaul to the way WM works. There's a lot of unanswered questions right now, ESPECIALLY whether WM7 apps will work on WM6 devices and whether it will be possible to upgrade any current WM6 or 6.5 devices to 7. If not, it's possible that application support for WM6 devices might grind to a halt within a year.
If I were in your boots, I'd try to hold on to that G1 as long as you can. By October or November, I think we'll have a better view of the future of WM and it'll be easier to see whether WM will serve your needs going forward.
Now, all this is completely moot if you're rolling in enough dough to just buy a new phone whenever you feel like it. If so, feel free to buy whatever you like.
Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. I really dont care about having to learn how to use windows mobile. Im more interested in the devices themself. My main concern is switching to a device with out a keyboard.
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Wouldn't all of these phones be able to upgrade to winmo 7 anyway. \\
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Well, that's the problem: we just don't know yet. A lot of people here seem to take it for granted that WM7 will be as "open" as WM6 in terms of porting and the like, but comments from MS make me a lot less confident -- it sounds like WM7 might have much more specific hardware requirements that will keep it from being run on older models. It's POSSIBLE WM7 will be able to be put on, say, a Touch Pro 2, but it's not a foregone conclusion.
All signs point to WM7 being a major upgrade (keep in mind that WM7 has been in development since 6.1 dropped if not longer), and I think it's going to be really disappointing to be stuck with 6.5 once 7 hits.
But if you're looking to roll the dice, the Touch Pro 2 looks like a great phone UNLESS you want to use it as a media player. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a serious weakness there.
yea the 3.5mm jack is a necessity b/c i planned on getting the Motorola S9s or something along that line to use because all of those except the hero are huge or heavy
I personally don’t believe that WM7 will be ready early 2010. It might take until 2011 that we see any WM7device.
TP2 seams currently best HTC choice if you need keyboard. However frankly speaking after having 2 HTC devices (Hermes and Kaiser) with slide keyboards I am not very confident about the durability (quality) of HTC hardware. Both of the devices had after short time issues with the rails and tilt mechanism.
Just recently I went to a shop to have look on the TP2 and the keyboard rails and the tilt seams same crap as previous devices. You can also read many complain in the TP2 section about screen wobbling. Touch HD has a very nice large screen (love large screens) but it is 1 year old technology and performance wise it did not satisfied many people. Furthermore as you are from USA you would need Australian version to able to use in American 3G. But the Device cost still after 1 year some 800-900$
My personal favoured are currently the Samsung Omnia II/i800 and Samsung Omnia II pro (b7610) Specs on the paper and the current reviews are indicating that those are under best devices on the market. Furthermore Samsung has almost entirely covered with additional software the aged WinMo operation platform. Further positive point is the Price. Both Samsung devices are about 100-200 USD cheaper then HTC devices even though they have better CPU; Camera etc.
I agree with Bulldog -- the Omnia II devices look really excellent. I like the design of the TP2 better, but I trust Samsung's build quality more and, feature-wise, it's fantastic.
Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
That for me is an added value to consider before buying
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Yes but you have to add that with omnia or any other you´ll not have the support of this great site!
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Yes you do. This site offers Winmob o/s and Winmob App support to all. If you want cooked roms, look no further than omnia.modaco.com where there are plenty! My Omnia (original one) is currently running a great cooked rom of WM 6.5
Lets also not forget the AMOLED screen either on the new Omnias. I really regret buying my Acer M900, not because its crap - its not - but the new Samsungs look simply stunning. And if you factor in the success of the Omnia, widely regarded as the best Winmob all-rounder, the new Omnias should be spanking!
I've been looking for a pocket PC for a few weeks now and my attention has been drawn to the HTC models.
I would be needing it firstly for the internet and storing PDF files on that i need and can access at work and lastly as a phone.
As of yesterday i had narrowed it down to HTC HD and the diamond2 and was ready to order it but then seen that the HTC HD2/Leo/firestone (whatever it's called) is due to be released on October the 12th.
How likely do you think that release date will be?
If it is going to be December than i may as well go for the HD1 or the HTC diamond 2 but still haven't decided which one?
wait to see if the hd2/leo gets released when they say, and then decide what to go for because im sure there will be some cheap hd's around then.
Also being an owner of a touch hd I would say that the screen is excellent but i do miss having buttons so i would say go try out some models before you buy to make sure your happy with typing with no buttons
Wait for the LEO release in October. But, if you want a keyboard then look at the TP2.
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I agree with badasschris. It is a good idea to wait a few days to see whether HD2/LED is released on October 12th.
If not, you could have a look at HTC Diamond 2. I am using it and it is really great.
If you wanna choose one from Diamond 2 and HD1, I would say Diamond 2 cuz I myself is using this one and it's a nice device. HD is a little bit large for pocket. But you can have a look at Touch Pro 2. It's a great device. Or you can wait for LEO which will be announced soon.
One more for TP2!!
YEa if i was going for a current device tp2 would be top of the list because of the keyboard. but you would be silly to get anything before there is more news on the HD2 (leo)
TP2 or Xperia if you are in a hurry. X2 or Leo if you are willing to wait.