Nice device, now sod off - Touch Pro, Fuze General

Nice device, now sod off - Touch Pro, Fuze General

Is it me or is this device just not all that popular?
I say this because if you look at the Diamond forum, that's busting with activity, and yet for some reason, the Raphael, which I fooking love I might add (frankly, if it doesn't have an integrated keyboard, it just doesn't win for me) - is just not attracting much attention.
I guess there's the fact it's a premium to the Diamond, and it's a bit fatter, but honestly, now that it's out, who here would still choose the diamond over it?

Olipro said:
Is it me or is this device just not all that popular?
I say this because if you look at the Diamond forum, that's busting with activity, and yet for some reason, the Raphael, which I fooking love I might add (frankly, if it doesn't have an integrated keyboard, it just doesn't win for me) - is just not attracting much attention.
I guess there's the fact it's a premium to the Diamond, and it's a bit fatter, but honestly, now that it's out, who here would still choose the diamond over it?
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Nope aint gonna happen. Methinks alot of the users who trawl endlessly from device to device have missed this in favour of the diamond. I prefer it to be a premium device with a less commercial crowd anyways, makes me enjoy my device a bit more if not many people have it. AND ofcourse, no keyboard means no go for me also.

Well the Diamond has been around a bit longer.
Since I leave my phone on my desk at work, most of my workmates have seen the Pro now. Only two had ever heard of HTC before. (Being in Finland, Nokia is pretty much what everyone has) But all asked more about it, and found it interesting. Even more so when I slid out the keyboard and showed that you can use the stylus to transcribe, then the real interest came about.
The Pro when not in use, just looks like a fat phone, and that scares some people. (Even though it is thinner than the N95 I upgraded from.)
Plus, I feel that the Diamond got a lot more push than the Pro seems to have done.
Luckily some apps on the Diamond do in fact work on the Pro, so not all is lost. But it is a shame that we have to look at two different forums. If the apps/hacks/tweaks work on both, then I think a lot more cross linking should be done!

I think the Diamond is the more available of the two at the moment (O2 UK don't have it) and a lot of people wanting to upgrade went there because this phone wasn't availbale.
On the keyboard ground though, the Kaiser was massively popular over the Polaris. Although, I'll be sticking with HW Keyboard devices from now on.
My 1.07775 pence
Ta
Dave

Have both Diamond and pro in our house
I like the diamond, but wife likes the pro, she does a lot more txt than me.

I think it's a case of the Diamond being around longer and the fact that in general it uses the same hardware. Therefore the questions that people ask are more likely to have been asked and answered on the diamond forum, than on here.

ryraum said:
I like the diamond, but wife likes the pro, she does a lot more txt than me.
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WTF! you just made the Pro a girly phone!

yeah, so we have our own little niche for now... sod the diamond, the Raphael is definitely superior, though AT&T's decision for the keyboard layout is crap

Also keep in mind that the touch pro is pretty much non-existent in the US. The diamond was just released here in the US with sprint, and the US 3G gsm version was also recently released, that's why you have so much interest. Once the touch pro is released by at&t you will see this forum explode with activity. The same thing happened last year when the kaiser was first released, and then when the tilt was released by at&t.

Girly Phone
Xtreme XL said:
WTF! you just made the Pro a girly phone!
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My good lady would love to girly, But is a senior manager and barks and bites.
(good job she can not read this)

My good lady would love to girly, But is a senior manager and barks and bites.
(good job she can not read this)
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you hope hehe
allot of my frined got the diamond and only me and a friend have the touch pro out of the 2 id say ours is better
my friend is on 02 and hes got one so 02 are selling them in the uk
tbh from day one i flashed the rom to romeos 1.05 and did a few little things to personalise it and its been really good so far my last handset was a kaiser and there are some things i miss from the the full screen tilt for instance should have been on this phone then it would have been perfect maybe thats just me spending a year with my kaiser (my girlfriend still thinks he kaiser is better) the t3d stuff took some getting used to but think the touch pro is a awesome handset

I know this is an international board, but I think once providers in the US start releasing it I expect a lot more activity in here.

I'm also surprised by the lack of action on the Raphael forum.
I've owned the Diamond (which is much more sexier than the Raphael). But I upgraded to the Raphael as soon as it became available because of the cardslot and more memory. I don't txt that much so the keyboard isn't that important to me (but nice to have )
Guess the Diamond is more popular at the moment. Or al lot of the Diamond owners are saving to upgrade to the Raphael

I think the Touch Pro will become more popular in time, but now maybe it's to expensive for some people. There are also a lot of people who purchased the Diamond and later on they discovered that the Touch Pro was coming out, one colleague of mine regrets that he has bought the Diamond.
but like Olipro said Nice device, now sod off

If I get my hands on one, and this is my local forum (so to speak) I would rather it was quieter. Athena Elf and to some extent Hermes were great (Hermes ws just a bit too big) but Kaiser was just too huge. And I used to spend a lot of time in the Diamond forums whe it first came out, but it instantly filled wth noobs (I know we all wer once) when it was released on the networks. Then I left because it went from interesting discussion about the device to problem solving.
I think the Pro is just too expensive to become insanely popular in a Diamond-esque way. In a similar way to the Athena, its for a pretty specifc user.
For people who dont mind the bulk but are just general users, they can get a kaiser for about £150 on ebay, or £200 new. Or if theyre a general user, but wnt small and thin, they can get a Diamond (£250) so £500 plus for this is a bit unjustifiable until prices drop...
So if I get one I hope it stays small like it is now, and with very knowledgable people rather than noobs.
Rory

Even the Touch Pro isnt released everywhere. In germany the Vario IV is in stock since today. I think in a few weeks this forum wil be much more popular.

Well I looked at the Diamond, but I'm glad I decided to hang out for the TP as it's clearly worth the wait IMO I think give it a few more months and there will be a lot more members posting here

I have also moved from diamond to pro, becuase of more memory and sd card + keyboard. But some reason, the only thing that bothers me , some roms on diamond are extremely fast..But on pro with all the custom roms I have used , for example programs scrolling and opera scrolling is still slow.
I just wish there is a bit more custom roms here,,,so that with competition , the roms will get better.

I believe(not a fact) the diamond people are holding out for the HTC touch HD which also just got the US FCC seal of approval and its due at the end of october. YAY.
I was originally going to get the HTC Touch pro but it was too expensive + there is a keyborad, which i dam not too fond of; then i saw a great deal on the diamond and plummet. So i sold off my HTC TOuch cruise for the price of the diamond, i am waiting patiently to get the HD.

copualt3 said:
I believe(not a fact) the diamond people are holding out for the HTC touch HD which also just got the US FCC seal of approval and its due at the end of october. YAY.
I was originally going to get the HTC Touch pro but it was too expensive + there is a keyborad, which i dam not too fond of; then i saw a great deal on the diamond and plummet. So i sold off my HTC TOuch cruise for the price of the diamond, i am waiting patiently to get the HD.
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I might hold out for the HD + Keyboard (if it ever comes).
Every No Keyboard Device is followed by a Keyboard one, usually. *Fingers crossed*
Dave

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About to get a Touch Pro, but... (some questions)

I plan to buy a Touch pro, but I have a few concerns.
I spent hours reading the forums here, but I still would like to ask a couple of questions :
(BTW, I currently own an XDA IIi)
- the screen size : I am used to my 3.5" XDA IIi screen, and I don't know if I will really miss the size despite the improved resolution on TP. What do you think of the Touch Pro screen ? Is it OK for browsing? games?
It's great, the resolution makes it look so much nicer. Don't know if I'd watch a full movie on it, then again I wouldn't watch a full movie on an iPhone, I don't like staring at sub-5-inch screens for 3 hours.
- Windows Mobile 7 : I know it's a bit early to talk about upgrading to WM 7.0 but if I buy TP, I'll have to keep it for 3 years (just as I did with my XDAIIi). I know it's highly improbable that HTC releases an official update but what about unofficial roms here? I lived a true nightmare with my XDAIIi, which is BTW a very good PPC, but the lack of WM updates killed the device as an increasing number of applications won't run on WM2003SE.
Is it true that WM 7.0 will require multitouch screens?
Multi-touch is all in the software (I thought?), same screen hardware... But there's no way to know what it will require or support yet.
- Google Android : there's a working version on Kaiser. Is there any chance Android will be ported to TP?
I'd give it a 90% chance that eventually we'll have it happen. It's even on devices like the Blue Angel.
- Community size : I am surprised by the small community size on the Raphael forums. Well, it ain't very small but it's way smaller than Diamond's or Kaiser's for instance ! Only a few cooked ROMs (compared to Diamond again), many "chiefs" were supposed to buy the TP, but they still didn't and with the announcement of Touch HD, I'm afraid they won't ! I hope I'm wrong, though !
It's more expensive than the Diamond, it hasn't even been released on the US by ANY carrier, I wouldn't worry about the amount of developers out there... Once the prices go down with contracts here in the states you'll see a lot more. (Think of how many people in the Kaiser section bought it for $299 with AT&T)
- Issues and bugs : I know there will be bugs, but is the device "more buggy" than the previous HTC models?
Meh, I didn't see many bugs on my AT&T version at all, but the HTC ROM is slow as hell so I've been told. I'm sure ROM updates in the future will speed it up, the Sprint version looks quite fast as well.
P.S. I thought about getting a Diamond but the lack of microSD and the 900 mAh battery are unacceptable for me. Moreover, the keyboard and the TV-out are certainly a plus !
Agreed, no way 4GB fixed storage is enough (Garmin Mobile XT maps of North America is like 3.75 GB alone!)
I also cannot wait for Touch HD (which seems pretty decent ) simply because there are no HTC devices in my place, and my only chance to get one is during my travel to Dubai in October !
Keep in mind, the Touch HD won't have a keyboard... Quite a setback.
Hope I've helped, any more questions, ask away.

seether said:
I plan to buy a Touch pro, but I have a few concerns.
I spent hours reading the forums here, but I still would like to ask a couple of questions :....
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Well, the screen size just a compromise between size and usability. Since it's a VGA screen you will probably get almost the same screen estate as with your current PDA.
Windows 7, will probably find it's way on Touch Pro. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Multitouch is not based in software, but in Hardware. A phone either has Multitouch either doesn’t. You can't install multitouch... But again, I wouldn't worry about it. Windows 7 doesn't require Multitouch, but they support it.
Google Android will probably find its way on TP soon. If it can run on a Kaiser, it can run on a TP soon.
As for the community size, it will grow. Besides, except ROMS everything else (Themes, Apps, etc) are shared with the Diamond developers.
The device is definitely less buggy than any older HTC model. It works like a charm, right out the box. Any issue that you will face, it will be fixed with a search in the forum...
Finally (It was a lengthy post this one...), Touch HD is actually scheduled for October. So you might get lucky with your visit in Dubai...
Good luck with your choice mate... Hopefully I helped a bit.

Just a small comment about touch screens...
Multitouch screens are COMPLETELY different from single touch ones.
Multitouch requires capacitive screens (just like the Iphone)... these work like a notebook touchpad for example... You have to use your own bare fingers to use those.
Cheers

marios96 said:
Windows 7, will probably find it's way on Touch Pro. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Multitouch is not based in software, but in Hardware. A phone either has Multitouch either doesn’t. You can't install multitouch... But again, I wouldn't worry about it. Windows 7 doesn't require Multitouch, but they support it.
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It seems I wasn't fast enough to answer

Thank you for your quick and thorough replies
As for the HD, no keyboard is a drawback but I like the screen If I find it in Dubai (I'll be there till October, 30th), I may buy it (not sure though, it depends on the price, the initial reviews etc...)

marios96 said:
The device is definitely not less buggy than any older HTC model. It works like a charm, right out the box. Any issue that you will face, it will be fixed with a search in the forum...
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I think there's a typo here ! I think you meant : "not more buggy"

seether said:
I think there's a typo here ! I think you meant : "not more buggy"
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Yes! I have to correct that...

marios96 said:
Finally (It was a lengthy post this one...), Touch HD is actually scheduled for October. So you might get lucky with your visit in Dubai...
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Source plz? I haven't heard anything about a Touch HD release.

Thundarr The Barbarian said:
Source plz? I haven't heard anything about a Touch HD release.
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I read somewhere it will be in November. Nonetheless, there's the Gitex electronics trade show in Dubai in late October (a great one apparently). It might be an opportunity for HTC to launch the device !

Thundarr The Barbarian said:
Source plz? I haven't heard anything about a Touch HD release.
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Most of the sites talk about a Christmas release. Sure Christmas is in December, but holiday period starts from early November.
I have to admit that I was a bit optimistic when mentioning October! But the pictures and videos we see reveal a product very close to production... We also have October as the month that HTC will release Touch Viva and 3G...

Please Urgent Quick Advice needed

Im on orange and in my upgrade period. I was going to go to another network but i got a deal from Orange.
Please can you help urgently with what you guys would recommend.
Last week i went for the Blackberry 8900 Curve but i am used to touchscreens and told orange who advised i could have the below phones. Also i wanted the SE Xperia X1 but was told that this was "never" released on Orange due to not passing various tests and that they would highly recommend against it. I see on here that the new Xperia X2 is soon to be out, when that is i dont know and if it will be a normal non buggy functional phone.
Nokia E71 - not touchscreen though
Blackberry 8900 Curve - Not touchscreen, not 3G, 150 sms storage limit
HTC Hero
HTC Touch (apparently cant have the pro version??)
HTC Touch HD
Samsung Omni HD i8910HD - OLED screen doesnt last long??
Nokia 97
Toshiba TG01 - Review doesnt have much favour for it at www.techradar.com , phone is also quite big
Can you guys advise cos it will be a 24 month contract and i rfeally dont want a handset that will be a problem for all that time.
I have used previously the SE P910i/P990i and also the HTC tytn 2.
I liked the P910i thought it was slow and then i came across the P990i and was unhappy with its sluggish performance, buggy software, and constant problems inc bluetooth not wanting to work with all other handsets. I liked the SE P Series phones as they backed up my contacts/sms etc onto a pc so if i ever losty the phone i could retrieve it and as well as that being able to do a lot more with them than a normal phone ie programs and ability to save unlimited (as far as i could tell) Sms/Mms etc.
The Tytn 2 would have been ok but it really peeved me off a lot of the t, ususally from the touch screen not feeling my touch lol. ALso a key thing for me, it didnt backup the phone contacts or sms.
PLease could you guys tell me what is a good phone to get and also of any other recommendations as i have tried an dtried to look on goog;e and reviews etc but it seems i keep getting the wrong info or if it is right i get more negative reviews than positive. Its really frustrating me now.
I would like the following functions:
Touchscreen
Backup to pc of phonebook contacts/Sms/Mms
Ability to be able to save unlimited Phonebook numbers and Sms
Ability to be used as a satnav using the Oraneg (UK) nav software or possible other co
Preferable to have 3G capability
Intuitive GUI
Least amount of headache so no buggy software or not doing as told lol or real slow performance
I will use as a media device but as a bsuiness pda type when i can start a business.
I need to know in the next asap i had to tell them today but they have been pushed to tommorow.
Please help and if you need any more info please do ask. As far as i recall i think i have covered it all.
Thanks

Welcome to forums
I would go for Touch Pro 2, and in second place I´ll chose Tosh TG01

Uhh..hello Hero.

although this isnt completely relavent to your post
u say u want a reliable phone as you dont want a problem phone for 24 months
theres a clause in orange contracts thats states if you have 3 faults the same during ur contract then thy will offer to give you a different handset
it takes a while too argue but it works
after sending me faulty samsung omnias that kept failing (handset lockups) i told them i wouldr prefer a different phone as id rater not have a 4th faulty phone
one guy told me this isnt in the rules isaid id take it up with another department they said it is in the rules but they logged my three handset locjups as keyboard failures. so there fore i wasnt entitled to a ifferent handset
after only three days of constant *****ing they finally told me theyd send my a touch hd
the moral to the story, dont be scared to ***** and moan

After playing with my wife's HTC Magic, I would happily recommend the HTC Hero. Capacitive touchscreen, responsive OS, plenty of apps for download, "proper" satnav through CoPilot Live and decent location services.
If you're set on sticking with WinMo then the Toshiba TG01 isn't bad at all. Yes it is quite large compared to some handsets, but the raw speed is noticeable in general app use and the screensize would make satnav a joy.
Another one to consider is the Samsung Omnia B7610 (Louvre). Think of it as a Samsung version of the Touch Pro 2.

orb3000 said:
Welcome to forums
I would go for Touch Pro 2, and in second place I´ll chose Tosh TG01
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Thnaks for the welcome and info.
Any reason for the touch pro over the TG01? ALthough i was put off by the review of the TG01.
Also i dont think they will let me have the touch pro as its on the orange business section.
What is the difference between toun n the pro version? Just software?
Thanks again

fociz said:
Uhh..hello Hero.
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Lol Thanks

Pilot -
Thanks ref the isnurance advice.
I have been down this route and to say i was talking to brick walls or that getting water out of a stone would probably be near the mark lol.
Orange were adamant i didnt have a problem with my SE P990i and also didnt tell me about the 3 strike rule either.
I was a good boy and didnt ask for a different moidel for about 18 months. The phone would just trun the backlight on fo rno reason on and off, the bluetooth decided it didnt like lg phones etc, it would do soo many things that would peeve me off and to think that my old trusty P910i was thought of as slow, man that was like a Pebtium 4 PC compared to the lowly P2 status of the P990i.
Yeah, basically one day after having lost my cool a few times with orange i got fed up and asked for a different model phone (after like the 5th replacement and all the palaava to get it flashed with backup etc taking an hour each time or so as well as the time wasted and onconvenience. They wouldnt do it cos they then aftyer 18 months said i have to have had 3 faults with it. I said wtf, howmany times have i rang you, how many replacement have i had, they then said no actually you need to have reported the same fault 3 times and i said wtf again - i said i have had the same faultS for 18 months with at least 5 handsets fi the same model but they said well... it depends what WE have logged on our system and wouldnt you believe it they had different logged faults for each scenario. So i said send a new P990i and iw ill show fault on bluetoothe again, so they did and i proved it again an dthen again. SO 3 times and each of these times ie 5 before and twice later they tried to charge me 30 pounds as per conditions through my insurance with them. The cheeky so and so's. I told them 2 year sony gurantee they said no, rang sony with them on the line, they shutup but then said i had to deal with sony direct, referred them to consumer law which apparently they dont know anything about, so i reffered them to their lawers to ask such questions, each tikme i had to go through this ****e and they each time pretended they had no idea what i was going on about.
Anyway, i have only claimed once in like 13 years for a mobile phone through orange.
£5 x 12 = 60
£60 x 12.5 = £735 the bsterds
Thnaks pilot, i wish i had joined this site like a coupole of years ago man, i did se it but i thought no point, could have saved lots of headache lol with your advice then.
Thanks pilot
sorry about the spelling mistakes, its late n cant be asked.

ZenithUK said:
After playing with my wife's HTC Magic, I would happily recommend the HTC Hero. Capacitive touchscreen, responsive OS, plenty of apps for download, "proper" satnav through CoPilot Live and decent location services.
If you're set on sticking with WinMo then the Toshiba TG01 isn't bad at all. Yes it is quite large compared to some handsets, but the raw speed is noticeable in general app use and the screensize would make satnav a joy.
Another one to consider is the Samsung Omnia B7610 (Louvre). Think of it as a Samsung version of the Touch Pro 2.
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Thanks Zenith, im gonna check both out.
Do you have any further info on the TG01 as to your use of it.
It did get slated by the above review site but im hoping fiormware will improve it.
Thanks

Any more rresponses of advice guys, more ppl's advice needed. I have until this Tuesday or latest Wednesday to get an idea of the handset.
I sent the BB 890 Curve back to orange and i hope they dont come out with anything dodgy about it.
Thank you all thus far.

MazzaUK said:
Thnaks for the welcome and info.
Any reason for the touch pro over the TG01? ALthough i was put off by the review of the TG01.
Also i dont think they will let me have the touch pro as its on the orange business section.
What is the difference between toun n the pro version? Just software?
Thanks again
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Main reason are 2:
1. It has hardware keyboard, for me is a must
2. Is HTC build so it will have better support on this site

Processor Impact of Leo Compared to Touch Pro2

I know that the Leo has a better processor. Unfortunately I am on verizon and I am in need of a new phone. The touch pro2 seems like an amazing phone but I am worried about how future proof it will be. From what I read up on, the touch pro2 is supposed to be short lived. So I must ask, does anyone think there will be a time in the next year when the touch pro2 wont be able to handle something from the leo or any other snapdragon/tegra device? I know it wont handle it as well, but what are the possibilities of it not handling the program at all? Of course, this is purely speculation, but I just want to see what your opinions are.

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I know that the Leo has a better processor. Unfortunately I am on verizon and I am in need of a new phone. The touch pro2 seems like an amazing phone but I am worried about how future proof it will be. From what I read up on, the touch pro2 is supposed to be short lived. So I must ask, does anyone think there will be a time in the next year when the touch pro2 wont be able to handle something from the leo or any other snapdragon/tegra device? I know it wont handle it as well, but what are the possibilities of it not handling the program at all? Of course, this is purely speculation, but I just want to see what your opinions are.
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Get an HTC TOUCH HD2 mate !!
Here is a comparison of HTC TOUCH HD2 vs HTC TOUCH HD.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8348

He's on a US CDMA carrier. Chances are if the HD2 does make it to the US, it'll be 2-3 months before an unlocked US GSM version with American bands, and another 1-2 months before any carriers (CDMA or GSM) pick it up. So... if a phone needs to be purchased any time soon, the HD2 is out of the question.
As for your question, do I think the TP2 will be short lived? Maybe, I think the HD2 is what HTC hopes to be the last hurrah before WM7. If you look at the roadmap that was leaked a while ago for this year, the only device that has not been released yet is the Athena replacement. I don't know if the original Athena was released on VZ, but the Athena replacement is the last phone to be on HTC's leak from earlier this year.

Touch pro 2 does not meet the minimum requirements of Windows Phone 7 but that does not mean that it won't be a phone that lasts. People are still using Hermes phones today. The Qualcomm 7200 processesors in the HD, Diamond 2 and Touch pro 2 will still likly be comparable to other Windows Phone 6.5 devices.
If you dream about having a Windows Phone 7 device when it comes out then hold out the TP2 may not be able to support it. If 6.5 is good enough for you then it's a great phone.

Thanks for the replies guys. My phone just bit the dust so I am really looking into what I can use for awhile. I looked up the leaked windows mobile 7 requirments and am sad to see that the tp2 wont meet that. But, then again, nothing out now or coming out soon will meet that. Hopefully some of these smart rom makers will be able to get us wm7 when we dont meet those requirements.
So basically its either grab the tp2 or wait for the motorola droid. I am not sure how impressed I am with android though. From what we have seen from the droid, it looks good. But I have not been impressed by the past android devices. What do you all think, both on the chance winmo 7 will run on current devices and the choice between the tp2 and droid?

Hmm well I think your choices are fairly limited if you want a new phone now. The TP2 is the same old slow **** we are used to from HTC for years. It will simply not compare to a phone with a modern chipset. Now, I don't have an HD2 yet (though it has been ordered) but I have played with TG01 which - though sometimes also laggy - completely blows the TP2 out of the water.
Not just the TG01 either. The Samsung Omnia II, Omnia Pro, and Armani 2 also completely blow the TP2 away. In fact, I have two TP2's and they have been gathering dust with virtually no use, in favor of the Samsung's, because the TP2 is just so godawfully slow.
The TP2 is in no way future-proof, it will not be able to keep up with your granny, and you will enjoy it a lot less than you might hope. It's a shameful display, scrap metal.
Then again, as I recall the better devices are not available in the US, so you're pretty much stuck with it... but believe me you're not getting your monies worth from it.
As for WM7, the rumor is the kernel testing device is an i780, which cannot keep up with even the TP2. So it's probably technically possible with some hacking to run WM7 on the thing. As for future apps not being able to run, it's quite possible for a handful of apps, though I would not call it likely until we hit WM7.

Chainfire said:
Hmm well I think your choices are fairly limited if you want a new phone now. The TP2 is the same old slow **** we are used to from HTC for years. It will simply not compare to a phone with a modern chipset. Now, I don't have an HD2 yet (though it has been ordered) but I have played with TG01 which - though sometimes also laggy - completely blows the TP2 out of the water.
Not just the TG01 either. The Samsung Omnia II, Omnia Pro, and Armani 2 also completely blow the TP2 away. In fact, I have two TP2's and they have been gathering dust with virtually no use, in favor of the Samsung's, because the TP2 is just so godawfully slow.
The TP2 is in no way future-proof, it will not be able to keep up with your granny, and you will enjoy it a lot less than you might hope. It's a shameful display, scrap metal.
Then again, as I recall the better devices are not available in the US, so you're pretty much stuck with it... but believe me you're not getting your monies worth from it.
As for WM7, the rumor is the kernel testing device is an i780, which cannot keep up with even the TP2. So it's probably technically possible with some hacking to run WM7 on the thing. As for future apps not being able to run, it's quite possible for a handful of apps, though I would not call it likely until we hit WM7.
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Yea I am definitely stuck in the US. Plus I want a hardware keyboard. So that takes out a lot of them. From a strictly verizon bound device, what would you recommend chainfire?
Also, thanks for the info on the i780. Thats something that brightened up my outlook on winmo7.
Side note: I played around with the tp2 and liked it and thought it was pretty fast. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't been able to touch a device with modern chipsets.

flyinonice4 said:
Yea I am definitely stuck in the US. Plus I want a hardware keyboard. So that takes out a lot of them. From a strictly verizon bound device, what would you recommend chainfire?
Also, thanks for the info on the i780. Thats something that brightened up my outlook on winmo7.
Side note: I played around with the tp2 and liked it and thought it was pretty fast. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't been able to touch a device with modern chipsets.
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I think with your requirements the TP2 is pretty much the only "choice" you have, though I am not intimate with what Verizon has on offer.
The question (for you - and only you can answer this) is, do you want to spend the ****load of money the TP2 will cost you on a device like the TP2 ? Perhaps you would be better off bridging the period until HD2+kb release with a dumbphone, or whatever. That's a personal thing, I don't know how the contract structure works with Verizon, how much it'll cost you, what you have to spend, how long you will be stuck with it, etc. And then, it is matter of how heavily those different parts of the equation weigh for you.
You just need to be aware of what you are buying - if you are, and are happy with it, great.

The new rumor is that the HD 2 cdma, the HTC Passion, will soon be in Verizon stores powered by Android 2.0
It may be time to wait , at least a little while longer.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/10/25/mystery-htc-android-handset-has-a-name-and-a-carrier/

Chainfire said:
I think with your requirements the TP2 is pretty much the only "choice" you have, though I am not intimate with what Verizon has on offer.
The question (for you - and only you can answer this) is, do you want to spend the ****load of money the TP2 will cost you on a device like the TP2 ? Perhaps you would be better off bridging the period until HD2+kb release with a dumbphone, or whatever. That's a personal thing, I don't know how the contract structure works with Verizon, how much it'll cost you, what you have to spend, how long you will be stuck with it, etc. And then, it is matter of how heavily those different parts of the equation weigh for you.
You just need to be aware of what you are buying - if you are, and are happy with it, great.
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Hmmmm. I am going to have to look this over more. I hope an hd2+kb comes out soon, but I think that would be 6months or so (especially in the US) before we ever see that coming about. Ideally, I would want to go with a phone that you mentioned thats better than the tp2. Perhaps in a year we may see some of those hit verizon or others with 7 already installed on them. Speculation is killing me as I want to wait it out, but don't know how long I can last. I use my phone pretty heavily for business purposes. Given htc's track record, when would you predict an hd2+kb would be out?
EDIT: I posted the above before I saw denco's bit. Any word as to when it should be in stores? In the past I haven't been all that impressed with android, but maybe 2.0 will turn a new leaf for me.

flyinonice4 said:
Hmmmm. I am going to have to look this over more. I hope an hd2+kb comes out soon, but I think that would be 6months or so (especially in the US) before we ever see that coming about. Ideally, I would want to go with a phone that you mentioned thats better than the tp2. Perhaps in a year we may see some of those hit verizon or others with 7 already installed on them. Speculation is killing me as I want to wait it out, but don't know how long I can last. I use my phone pretty heavily for business purposes. Given htc's track record, when would you predict an hd2+kb would be out?
EDIT: I posted the above before I saw denco's bit. Any word as to when it should be in stores? In the past I haven't been all that impressed with android, but maybe 2.0 will turn a new leaf for me.
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InfoSync said soon, but all others say early next year, check out the link for more rumored Verizon future offering
http://theunlockr.com/2009/10/25/mystery-htc-android-handset-has-a-name-and-a-carrier/

Pick My New Phone

I am ready to toss out my old Wing (my Kaiser died) and am in the market for a new phone.
The problem I am having is that I feel like purchasing a phone now would be a mistake, since it is likely that a new, mo-betta version will be out in a month or so.
As such, I am willing to wait, up to three or four months if necessary, for the perfect phone.
I have been shopping around, visiting Gizmodo and the like, searching for the best possible phone that should last me until 2012.
Anyone have any suggestions? Buy now, or wait, and if so, which phone?

Comming form kaiser you must need a hardware keyboard.
If that is correct you have 2 options:
1. Buy now a great Rhodium (the best hardware keyboard to this date)
2. Wait a few months and go for the Tera (smaller screen than Rhodium
Let us know what you´ve got

If you don't need a hardware keyboard, HD2 all the way!

If you want some new excitement from the old WM scene, then go for the awesome Nexus One android on tmobile!

Honestly, its either you settle for already out of date with any WM6.5 phone or you go for Android for which updates will keep on rolling out straight from the manufacturer. Windows Phone Series 7 was just announced, but its not going to be available until the holidays... that's 10 months from now. So if you get an HD2, unless there are ROM leaks (which are unlikely given the hush environment thus far and the fact that the ZuneHD can't be yet be cracked), your stuck with WM6.5. If you get a Touch Pro2, your already a year behind, as the hardware specifications was released a over year ago in the original Xperia X1. So honestly, Nexus One or X10 (assuming you want XDA support) are probably the way to go, if you want your phone to last you a long time. Otherwise, iPhone 3GS or Palm Pre, as both of those will definitely get all OS updates likely for the next 2 years.

Hey, Guys, thanks for the suggestions thus far.
For clarification;
I am currently on T-Mobile and with three lines, will probably be with them for a while. I also travel to Africa and Europe from time to time, so I prefer a Quad-Band, if this is still the tech for that.
I do like my hardware QWERTY, but the Wing's keyboard is lacking so I've kinda gotten used to the on-screen keyboard. I really liked Kaiser's keyboard though...
I don't like WinMo7's new interface, per the hand's-on reviews I've seen. I guess this means I'll be looking at Android.
So far, I like the Nexus One best due to the 1ghz processor, but I've read bad things about the contract(s). I'll probably end up buying the phone outright if I can get away with no contracts at all.
I checked out the Rhodium but the specs were a little light for me. Does anyone have one that can testify to it's capabilities? Looks like HTC's TouchFlo is built-in...

Snarksneeze said:
Hey, Guys, thanks for the suggestions thus far.
For clarification;
I am currently on T-Mobile and with three lines, will probably be with them for a while. I also travel to Africa and Europe from time to time, so I prefer a Quad-Band, if this is still the tech for that.
I do like my hardware QWERTY, but the Wing's keyboard is lacking so I've kinda gotten used to the on-screen keyboard. I really liked Kaiser's keyboard though...
I don't like WinMo7's new interface, per the hand's-on reviews I've seen. I guess this means I'll be looking at Android.
So far, I like the Nexus One best due to the 1ghz processor, but I've read bad things about the contract(s). I'll probably end up buying the phone outright if I can get away with no contracts at all.
I checked out the Rhodium but the specs were a little light for me. Does anyone have one that can testify to it's capabilities? Looks like HTC's TouchFlo is built-in...
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T-Mobile US or Europe?

sonus said:
T-Mobile US or Europe?
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Sorry, T-Mobile US.

Snarksneeze said:
Hey, Guys, thanks for the suggestions thus far.
For clarification;
I am currently on T-Mobile and with three lines, will probably be with them for a while. I also travel to Africa and Europe from time to time, so I prefer a Quad-Band, if this is still the tech for that.
I do like my hardware QWERTY, but the Wing's keyboard is lacking so I've kinda gotten used to the on-screen keyboard. I really liked Kaiser's keyboard though...
I don't like WinMo7's new interface, per the hand's-on reviews I've seen. I guess this means I'll be looking at Android.
So far, I like the Nexus One best due to the 1ghz processor, but I've read bad things about the contract(s). I'll probably end up buying the phone outright if I can get away with no contracts at all.
I checked out the Rhodium but the specs were a little light for me. Does anyone have one that can testify to it's capabilities? Looks like HTC's TouchFlo is built-in...
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Snark, I suggest you get the T-Mobile HTC HD2 for the U.S. I suggest you wait 2 months for the HTC HD2 to be released. I think you will be able to unlock it and make it work elsewhere if you travel.

Nexus One or HTC Bravo hands down.
Once you go android you wont go back

I like what I've read about the HD2, the specs seem to be in line with the Nexus One.
Both phones look nice, but the Nexus One seems to have an edge on the HD2, since the Android OS is open source and the HD2's OS is months from being obsolete.
From everything I've read, it looks as if WinMo7 will be locked down and that really worries me. The only reason I've stuck with WinMo phones is because of you great folks here at xda-dev. If they lock down WinMo7, how long will this site continue to offer the support they so freely give to WinMo users?
As far as the Nexus One goes, I can see that some of you are already offering OS updates for Android phones, so I suppose that this is the only way to move forward?
HD2 Pros: Can expect subsidization from my carrier.
HD2 Cons: Appears to run WinMo6.5, will the support last 2 years or more?
Nexus One Pros: Open-Source OS, tons of apps and supports and growing!
Nexus One Cons: Not subsidized under my current plan, more expensive to start but cheaper in the long run.
Thanks to everyone responding so positively! You've given me a lot to think about and a bunch of phones to review!

Seems to be a bit of excitement about the HTC Desire (nee Bravo, nee Passion) and according to the folks at modaco, its specs rival and sometimes surpass the Nexus One.
From the (leaked) photos, it sports the Sense UI and has a optical trackball for onscreen navigation.
Still no hardware keyboard, but I have the feeling that this is going to be a rare beast in the future anyway. At one point it was a must-have, but since the iPhone made it without one, the newer phones look to be pushing the envelope as well.
I will be waiting for HTC's MWC announcement today. I suspect they will offer it to Orange first in Europe and then hope to drop it in the States by X-Mas. If so, I could always order one and have it shipped overseas, but I would probably opt for the Nexus One in that case first...

Yesterday I bought the TouchPro2. It's pretty nice, but I am seriously missing the extra hardware buttons I use to interact with the Start Menu and my fav eBook reader :-(
I'm loving the awesome RAM and the nearly unlimited ROMs out there. EnergyROM's main thread has over 1000 pages already, wow!
As soon as the HD2 is back in stock, I'll be switching over to it and giving the Rhodium to my wife.
Thanks to everyone who responded with the great ideas and sorry it took me so long to actually buy the phone, LOL!

Great choice!
You won´t regret!
Rhodium is so far the best hardware keyboard device on the market
Even if not having the great 1ghz processor

Perhaps a poll is in order of the choices you are thinking about? We can let the numbers do the talking. I also agree that Android is where it is at in this day and age.

Thoughts on the HTC Fuze?

Hi, new to HTC phones, been an apple fanboy, but now I'm trying out different phones. I've been eyeing this one, HTC Fuze of late, cause mainly, I don't have a data plan and don't plan on too either. I want to know what owners think about this phone, and I can decide from there.
I mean many youtube comments of reviews over this phone been on both sides, and I mean the phone has been discontinued and people say from all the bugs and problems.
Sway me people on the XDA forums! Are you happy with the choice of this phone and recommend it? Or pull me out of its death trap.
Please comment cause it would really help. Thank you.

Fuze is a pretty good cell phone.It's vga lcd is impressing!!!

I use mine daily for work & leisure with a TAEL ROM, works fine for me I like it.
If you can live without a keyboard it may be worth looking at the Diamond 2.
These devices are good but you do need to more technically capable to get the most from them.
Will be sticking to mine for a while as minimal button & no d-pad devices are ****e in the real world, I have yet to see anyone who can type as fast & error free on a touch keyboard.

I've had my fuze since it came out and i love it. I usually run the latest energy rom on mine though and I didn't like the phone near as much without it. So my advice is if you have a little computer know-how and are willing to read the forums the hardware is just fine and everything is here to make the fuze exactly what you want it to be, well aside from the 1Ghz speed and wvga res of the new gen of phones I'd say go for it
Oh and I second the look at the diamond 2 if you don't need hardware keys cause it has a better blue tooth stack, but no keyboard means I won't buy personally

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pwntatochips said:
Hi, new to HTC phones, been an apple fanboy, but now I'm trying out different phones. I've been eyeing this one, HTC Fuze of late, cause mainly, I don't have a data plan and don't plan on too either. I want to know what owners think about this phone, and I can decide from there.
I mean many youtube comments of reviews over this phone been on both sides, and I mean the phone has been discontinued and people say from all the bugs and problems.
Sway me people on the XDA forums! Are you happy with the choice of this phone and recommend it? Or pull me out of its death trap.
Please comment cause it would really help. Thank you.
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for around 100 bucks its a really solid phone assuming you only need english load up the latest http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536751 energy rom(id suggust cookie 23xxx builds) and all those problems disappear (except camera, still as in reviews)
once you put the new roms on it you would think it was released in late 2009

So does any one know what are the best roms and changes?

it all depends on which phone did you previously used...if you have used low level phone..then definately you will like this......i love this phone.....especially when using energy roms.....as previously i had htc opal.....

I had the HTC Fuze and the problem with these phone with a keyboard is that it will eventually break over time. The phone was also thick and heavy. Oh yeah, the D-pad was practically unusable. I dont know if the Touch Pro shares the same problem as the Fuze. Anyways the main thing that got me to sell the phone was the keyboard breaking.

the board will break????

Database Info

welcome