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How in the world could the same battery of 1620mAh running on an operating system (WM2005) with a reasonable time and then running under a later operating system (WM6) -which's supposed to be better one- drain like anything!!
I have not seen anyone under this forum praised power mngmt using WM6!!
I wonder how could the later PPC models with lesser battery capacity (1350mAh) run for a longer period than Universal!? How could the same CPU been used in two different models running under two separate OS have better power mngmt?
Is't a false battery meter reading? Is't a false battery threshold that's is required for WM6 that the OS is misinterpreting or misreading? Is't a processing power and running-in-the-background apps?
Could someone explain and perhaps hack the codes of commands for the power mngmt? I mean we are fed up guys
Someone has to handle this...
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WM6 & Battery Issue
Cyber-mate said:
How in the world could the same battery of 1620mAh running on an operating system (WM2005) with a reasonable time and then running under a later operating system (WM6) -which's supposed to be better one- drain like anything!!
I have not seen anyone under this forum praised power mngmt using WM6!!
I wonder how could the later PPC models with lesser battery capacity (1350mAh) run for a longer period than Universal!? How could the same CPU been used in two different models running under two separate OS have better power mngmt?
Is't a false battery meter reading? Is't a false battery threshold that's is required for WM6 that the OS is misinterpreting or misreading? Is't a processing power and running-in-the-background apps?
Could someone explain and perhaps hack the codes of commands for the power mngmt? I mean we are fed up guys
Someone has to handle this...
Cheers
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I strongly agree with you...am experiencing the same.
something is problem with WM6 & Universal.
Hope this Main issue will be solved with the upcoming WM6 builds
Really wondered why none of our friends raised this issue, infact i was waiting for a message like this......
thanks
Bye
Hate to break it to you guys but this has been discussed before,
here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311168&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310078&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306064&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302193&highlight=battery
The general consensus was that the flashing process can sometimes screw up the bettery's sensors, giving false reading of being fully charged or at a certain percent.
THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH WM6
Look through the above links, some have good suggestions on how to fix this issue
TehPenguin said:
Hate to break it to you guys but this has been discussed before,
here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311168&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310078&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306064&highlight=battery
and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302193&highlight=battery
The general consensus was that the flashing process can sometimes screw up the bettery's sensors, giving false reading of being fully charged or at a certain percent.
THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH WM6
Look through the above links, some have good suggestions on how to fix this issue
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Okay TehPenguin. After carefully reading those posts, most have agreed that it is the ROM to blame!! How come man? If others said it is hardware related, some said it is the battery life itself!
I am raising a question here. Have anyone tried replacing the .dll and other battery related files to find out whether it is the coding? Remember when Uni. was first introduced and iMate patched the battery justifying the battery drain? Then it could be the same?
Now, most of the other devices in this forum had an upgrade, anyone encountered the same with their respective device likewise Uni?
The floor is open...
If it is the ROM, then why are only some people affected?
I will concede that it may be possible that it is the combination of the ROM and particular hardware (which causes some weird stuff to happen, like my device's phone radio does not like Ivan's base)
What I recommend you do is contact all of the people who have been having issues with their batteries and find out:
What brand they have
What radio and bootloader versions they have
What particular version of the battery they have
The age of their device\battery
If you notice a correlation then thats something we can work with.
If you just claim "It the ROM" and the developers don't see any issue in their devices, then they will dismiss your claim.
(btw. I have no doubt that your battery is draining fast, you just shouldn't be so quick to blame the software. As I have said before, batteries have a complex mix of chemicals that store power, the reaction that occurs in these chemicals is affected by a lot of factors...)
Happy hunting!
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If it is the ROM, then why are only some people affected?
I will concede that it may be possible that it is the combination of the ROM and particular hardware (which causes some weird stuff to happen, like my device's phone radio does not like Ivan's base)
What I recommend you do is contact all of the people who have been having issues with their batteries and find out:
What brand they have
What radio and bootloader versions they have
What particular version of the battery they have
The age of their device\battery
If you notice a correlation then thats something we can work with.
If you just claim "It the ROM" and the developers don't see any issue in their devices, then they will dismiss your claim.
(btw. I have no doubt that your battery is draining fast, you just shouldn't be so quick to blame the software. As I have said before, batteries have a complex mix of chemicals that store power, the reaction that occurs in these chemicals is affected by a lot of factors...)
Happy hunting!
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Ooooh! Tedious job man!! As for points (1 & 4), it is out of our reach. Whereas points (2 & 3), then definitely it is the bootloader & radio! Do you notice that OEM providers -I expect so- thoroughly test their devices before releasing and many factors are considered out of which Radio & Bootloader are tested and then they RECOMMEND the combination of the appropriate radio & bootloader versions!
In this forum, or more specifically, the restless ones cant wait to retrieve feedback from the market with regards to upgrades!! Any radio version gets released, we upgrade! Any bootloader gets released, we upgrade, and then we start to nag and complaint!!
I have gut feeling it is surely the radio and the processing mechanism! I want someone who have used the Uni for PPc only and not turned the radio nor wifi for days and watched how the battery drains! If it did not affect, then bingo! Otherwise I do apologize for having misjudged.
Mind you, I have not got any TECHNICAL explanation on the hardware and processing power part
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Ooooh! Tedious job man!! As for points (1 & 4), it is out of our reach. Whereas points (2 & 3), then definitely it is the bootloader & radio! Do you notice that OEM providers -I expect so- thoroughly test their devices before releasing and many factors are considered out of which Radio & Bootloader are tested and then they RECOMMEND the combination of the appropriate radio & bootloader versions!
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A more tedious job is to compare registry hives and files looking for a bug that doesn't affect your own device...
I don't see how points 1 & 4 are out of reach. If people just post here what brand (I-Mate, Dopod, O2, etc) thats number 1 solved. As for number 4, just remove the battery cover and look for the model number (for instance This one has the model number "PU16A") - again post results here
Cyber-mate said:
In this forum, or more specifically, the restless ones cant wait to retrieve feedback from the market with regards to upgrades!! Any radio version gets released, we upgrade! Any bootloader gets released, we upgrade, and then we start to nag and complaint!!
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Some people nag and complain, some people revert back to the old version and some people fix things. You have to ask yourself which one are you? And which one you should be...
Cyber-mate said:
I have gut feeling it is surely the radio and the processing mechanism! I want someone who have used the Uni for PPc only and not turned the radio nor wifi for days and watched how the battery drains! If it did not affect, then bingo! Otherwise I do apologize for having misjudged.
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Now this I like!!!
Good hypothesis, and a good test. Now all we need is someone to do the test.
Having thought of the above thing, can you see how it would be better to say to the develpers (and comminity) that devices made by xxxx running radio 1.xx have high battery drain...
The whole point of collecting statistics is to notice patterns. From these patterns we can derive hypothesis that can then be tested
Cyber-mate said:
Mind you, I have not got any TECHNICAL explanation on the hardware and processing power part
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Anything you would like to know, just ask!!
Whew Ask me mate
Suddenly my JJ which was working perfectly alright
Refuses to go beyond 40% battery life
And it could be coz i upgraded individually from here and there
I have decided I am goin for a new rom
and following the instructs to the letter
WIshing myself luck
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i have dopod 900, Radio 1.15, bootloader 1.1
i first had battery shutdown @80% when i installed jw's rom no offense man, i've tried other WM6 Midget, PDAViet, Ivan's etc... and liked Helmi_c v1.1 (i tried battery drain and full recharge 4 times) but still experiencing shutdowns until i've installed Laurentius v4 i'm down to 25% battery consumption now and the battery drains ok. i still don't know if its the ff:
1.) the ROM
2.) maybe battery is healing itself...
3.) maybe this rom is just compatible with my device...
4.) maybe none of the above or all of the above
(of course i cannot account for other circumstances like weather change or airconditioning) good news is, i'm gonna buy bluetooth stereo headset instead of a new battery!
hope this helps
ethansun
almerchant said:
Suddenly my JJ which was working perfectly alright
Refuses to go beyond 40% battery life
And it could be coz i upgraded individually from here and there
I have decided I am goin for a new rom
and following the instructs to the letter
WIshing myself luck
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...okay! I do not like this part to discredit anyone coz many of those ROM gurus have worked really hard and harder than one could imagine. ROM related battery drain is a very disappointing part.
I cant imagine that someone would pinpoint a particular ROM developed by xxx and say it is the culprit, which will lead to many -including myself- to despise that particular one!!
However, a constructive feedback and HONEST is the key. Let us wait -but not too long- and only YOU will tell us what is wrong
Awaiting...
Radio & drain!
Haven't anyone noticed that most members who have upgraded radio to 1.15 sent feedback that the signal is always full and no obvious issue to talk about!!
Well, the previous radio versions such as 1.14, 1.13, even 1.09 -which I liked then- had tremendous complaints about signal strength and other issues. Com'n people! It is definitely the radio and no one had talked about it.
While my device is on stand-by mode, it is suck up the battery power to compensate the signal weakness, therefore radio 1.15 being the best so far, is the lousiest in terms of power mngmt! I certainly have no technical evidence, yet it is left up to you to find out.
Please read my posting (#13, #14 & #18) again, especially #18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306064&page=2&highlight=battery
How well Radio ROM performed is again very much depend on location and service provider, I can beg till my last dollar on this.
Anyway for me, I find that actually Radio 1.15.00 last longer than the previous Radios with the same battery, same M$ ROM. Although Radio 1.14.10 is not too bad.
Once again, please do not jump into conclusion like what I did before (which happen to be my first ever post in this forum) which will misled many people who are lazy to search and read through.
Cyber-mate said:
Haven't anyone noticed that most members who have upgraded radio to 1.15 sent feedback that the signal is always full and no obvious issue to talk about!!
Well, the previous radio versions such as 1.14, 1.13, even 1.09 -which I liked then- had tremendous complaints about signal strength and other issues. Com'n people! It is definitely the radio and no one had talked about it.
While my device is on stand-by mode, it is suck up the battery power to compensate the signal weakness, therefore radio 1.15 being the best so far, is the lousiest in terms of power mngmt! I certainly have no technical evidence, yet it is left up to you to find out.
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Well, I'm using 1.15 and it works fine. On top of that I live in a pretty remote place (being Australia and all), so my signal typically isn't too great...
Either way, statistically speaking, you need 30 data points (ie people) before you can claim anything. (Why 30? I don't know... But I almost had a Maths Degree from University (before switching to Computer Science) and thats what I was taught...)
Normally setting Radio to Manual instead of Auto and to GSM instead of 3G mode in weak signal area saves you significant battery drain (there is a technical explanation for this).
For me, I always set to GSM, only to 3G when needed, that is how I clocked 4 days with my battery "sometimes"
@TehPenguin
Err... Remote does not always equal bad signal. Some City area can have blind spots with weak signal too
TehPenguin said:
...you need 30 data points (ie people) before you can claim anything. (Why 30? I don't know... But I almost had a Maths Degree from University (before switching to Computer Science) and that's what I was taught...)
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Alright then. I am surely waiting for another 28 opinions (data points) and only then I/we can conclude.
TehPenguin/CWKJ, thanks for your contribution and making this debate a valuable one.
Cheers..
Nah, a poll for Radio ROM is meaningless as I repeat 1 more time that Radio Rom performance is depending on location and service provider.
Hi,
I am having an issue with my battery: it drains really really fast, I mean I am loosing 10% per hour. It all started when I flushed my first 128mb compatible rom. I went from Mo3ulla latest to Ivans and back to Mo3ulla and all three had this issue. I also noticed that phone doesn't go to standby, backlight off - works, but turning power off after 2 min setting just doesn't do anything.
Apps I have are:
SPB PocketPlus 4, pBar, A2DPToggle, TCPMP, AEButton and that is pretty much it.
Any ideas and help is very much appreciated.
1. kill resident programs on device such us SPB PocketPlus 4, pBar,
2. check device battery status // they may be in charging status (due hardware bug)
3. execute instructions which i write in theme
mo3ulla said:
1. kill resident programs on device such us SPB PocketPlus 4, pBar,
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Did that, nothing changes
mo3ulla said:
2. check device battery status // they may be in charging status (due hardware bug)
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checked, didn't see any issues
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3. execute instructions which i write in theme
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did all of the things you mentioned in the thread, problem still exists.
The reason I started a new thread is beause it doesn't seem to be rom related. Could the reason be just old or defective battery?
How old is your device/battery?
If it is older than six-eight months, most likely it is soon going to die. That's how it started for me too. Then it'll get worse, like losing charge when plugged into the mains, and your device suddenly dying at around 50%, which will increase later.
The easiest solution would be to buy a new battery. If that solves the case, then cool. If it doesn't, you'll have a backup battery when your current one dies
Getting worse
I've had the device for about 4-6 month, not sure how long previous owner has had it for. New battery is on the way.
Tried everything. I flushed official rom form i-Mate and then Mo3ulla's latest and radio 1.15 - no luck. On one of the forums here I've read that taking battery out for about 5 min helps with fast draining, I've tried it and think it did help for a bit (I could be wrong) but then all problems came back.
Problems:
1. Registered applications after working properly for few days - now gives an error that the app license data can not be red.
PBar 1.5 top bar indicator moving around on the bar, it starts in the original right position and then moves to the middle of the bar.
2. "Turn device OFF if not used for"... option in power settings doesn't work - the device never turns off. "Turn backlight off" - works fine.
As Mo3ulla suggested I checked the GSM band settings - it is set for PCS1900 which I believe is correct for T-Mobile USA. Is it?
I just hope is is not a hardware issue as I am in USA and there are no UNI repair shops in the area.
If you have any idea on what to do please let me know as I am close to desperate mode and will try anything at this point.
when my battery started dying at 50% within 2 weeks i could only get 1 1/2 minutes of use out of it. i tried different ROMS, followed the instructions in the wiki but none of that worked for me.
Basically it was just the battery, i have used it everyday for about 2 years so i had my use out of it. I would definately buy a new battery for what they cost. i got mine on ebay for about £7 ($14 or so)
Yep
shoulders said:
when my battery started dying at 50% within 2 weeks i could only get 1 1/2 minutes of use out of it. i tried different ROMS, followed the instructions in the wiki but none of that worked for me.
Basically it was just the battery, i have used it everyday for about 2 years so i had my use out of it. I would definately buy a new battery for what they cost. i got mine on ebay for about £7 ($14 or so)
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NEw batter is on the way already, I am just affraid that it is something else, like hardware error, and if that's the case - I am screwed.
I've noticed the same thing with my Universe. It started after new ROM upgrade just 3 days ago.
Best way
Belka77 said:
Hi,
I am having an issue with my battery: it drains really really fast, I mean I am loosing 10% per hour. It all started when I flushed my first 128mb compatible rom. I went from Mo3ulla latest to Ivans and back to Mo3ulla and all three had this issue. I also noticed that phone doesn't go to standby, backlight off - works, but turning power off after 2 min setting just doesn't do anything.
Apps I have are:
SPB PocketPlus 4, pBar, A2DPToggle, TCPMP, AEButton and that is pretty much it.
Any ideas and help is very much appreciated.
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Beasty and Lairentius 2.08.01 Rom
5 hours of wifi ( 3400 mah battery )
3 hours of wifi ( standart battery )
Standby mode really works
but this rom have another problems
Whatever
Battery life is first important thing for me.
and i will not change this rom ever.
Belka77 said:
As Mo3ulla suggested I checked the GSM band settings - it is set for PCS1900 which I believe is correct for T-Mobile USA. Is it?
I just hope is is not a hardware issue as I am in USA and there are no UNI repair shops in the area.
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this information you can obtain from operator itself ... just call to operator
Belka77 said:
NEw batter is on the way already, I am just affraid that it is something else, like hardware error, and if that's the case - I am screwed.
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no its not hardware .. in your case its battery ... when battery arrives you will need to proper start use it ....
Update: It's alive
Well it is all better now. I installed Mo3ullas v1(not 128 MB) and device behaved much better: "Turn off power" setting worked and all in all this was excellent rom except for one thing - no A2DP. Then I went with Ivan's V1 and it all looks good now, no strange behavior from apps, power of works. A2DP works and so on, so I guess it was the issue of compatibility of Rom and Device. For some reason 128MB roms don't agree with my (and only my) device. I am looking to by the 64MB ram chips and do the upgrade will see what happens. Thank you all for you help.
mo3ulla said:
no its not hardware .. in your case its battery ... when battery arrives you will need to proper start use it ....
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Mo3ulla could you clarify what you mean by proper start use it?
Also if anyone knows where I can order just a couple of those 64MB chips - would be greatly appreciated. So far all distributors I contacted want to sell them by thousands and the site that was mentioned here (don't remember the url) that does sell them individually wants $80 and that is way too steep.
liamhere said:
im in hong kong soon so ill get a bigger and beter one then
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Why do you have to wait for Hong Kong?
Got my 1800mah battery through from Clove today and charged it up all last night.
First impressions:
The back is exactly the same design (including wobbly back) as the original just the sides are about twice the size i.e. "tall". If you look at the USB port on the back, the phone is now about this much again deep so, not that bad. I know feck all about battery technology but it does appear to me that there is a lot of wasted space now under the case.
The case itself also has an extended "peep hole" for the the camera to look out of. Initialy when you look at it, it doesn't seem wide enough for the camera but after testing I can only conclude it is as it does not affect camera operation.
The battery is a small chunky affair thats exactly the same shape as the original with about twice the depth. After a full charge last night, Batti 2.0 seems to tell me its only got around 95% charge. This could be for two reasons I guess? Batti is not designed to cope with 1800mah batteries and/or the battery will require further charges to come to max power. It of course adds a little weight but, at the moment i've not really noticed it.
All in all, so far, it seems a good purchase. Will let you know how performance is over today and tomorrow (btw, im a heavy user with push mail etc and also work in an office which has feck all signal - i.e. radio on full xmit all day).
Can you please take some pictures, so that all of know what to expect when we want to buy it too ?
Sorry yes, will do when I get home tonight.
Do you use any cases? If so, how does it fit there? Is it to big or so?
No I don't. The phone, even with this battery is still small enough to fit in most of my jeans pockets.
"Are you pleased to see me or is that phone in your pocket?"
image from clove
http://www.clove.co.uk/productimages/main/E9D71287-36BA-4BA4-85BE-3AAAFAAC0E3B.png
Monty Burns said:
Sorry yes, will do when I get home tonight.
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I look forward to your photos, I was looking at the clove one and some on ebay. Is that clove UK.
Dont know. This is the one I purchased but the picture looks nothing like it:
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....&product=30EB1DEF-CE29-4EA5-B021-E151FCA14D73
How much time did it take before you got it since you ordered it? and where are you from?
And this is the case im thinking about buying
http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_900000_11000268&products_id=7644
But looks like it wont fit in there maybe.
I bought it direct from Clove on the link above. I ordered as a pre-order so it actually took around 10 days or so. I believe they have them in stock now so you should be looking at around 2 or 3 days I guess?
Monty Burns said:
Why do you have to wait for Hong Kong?
Got my 1800mah battery through from Clove today and charged it up all last night.
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I got it also from Clove. Have you tested GPS yet? My Diamond can't find any satellites with 1800mAh battery! Yesterday GPS worked fine with original battery! I can't test original battery now because I'm at work... I will test again original if I find way to my home!
Ouchies! That would be really bad if its the battery.
Sadly, I fecked around with my GPS settings and I can't find them on here anywhere to correct them so none of my GPS apps work. If someone could tell me which ports/baud rate etc I can try my GPS out here at work.
Monty Burns said:
Ouchies! That would be really bad if its the battery.
Sadly, I fecked around with my GPS settings and I can't find them on here anywhere to correct them so none of my GPS apps work. If someone could tell me which ports/baud rate etc I can try my GPS out here at work.
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COM4 Baudrate 4800 worked with original battery and with Radio v1.00.25.05 (COM4 and baudrate 19200 with Radio v1.00.25.03).
cheers, gimme 10 or 15 and i'll try it n get back to you.
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Just to confirm then
GPS Program Port = Com5 (or whatever, Just not com4?)
Hardware port = Com4, 19200 (im running .03)
and I tell google maps to use GPS settings, "set by Windows"?
Some Q's:
- How long does the full battery last? For example with GPS + screen on (with the 900 it will only last about 1.5h).
- Can someone measure how much thicker the device is with the new cover (original is almost 12mm and I really hope it does not add 6mm)?
- Do photos look better/worse with the new cover?
Thanks!
Monty Burns said:
cheers, gimme 10 or 15 and i'll try it n get back to you.
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Just to confirm then
GPS Program Port = Com5 (or whatever, Just not com4?)
Hardware port = Com4, 19200 (im running .03)
and I tell google maps to use GPS settings, "set by Windows"?
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Looks like I have a far worse issue!
I try to use the GPS and it won't lock anything, google maps shows 0 satelites. I looked at Windows->Settings->GPS and it shows a Hardware port of "none" no matter how many times I change and OK it.
Any ideas?
Monty Burns said:
cheers, gimme 10 or 15 and i'll try it n get back to you.
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Just to confirm then
GPS Program Port = Com5 (or whatever, Just not com4?)
Hardware port = Com4, 19200 (im running .03)
and I tell google maps to use GPS settings, "set by Windows"?
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You don't have to change External GPS setting from Systems -> Setup. Only if you use External (Bluetooth) GPS! If you use internal Diamond GPS leave them default. In Google Maps tell it to use "set by Windows."
You can setup some (like Run.GPS Trainer UV) -programs manually if "set by Windows" don't work, these programs have own COM and baudrate setup to internal GPS.
Thanks. Just confirmed that with Google search. Looks like now i've played with them I will need a reboot. Will try again.
Monty Burns said:
I try to use the GPS and it won't lock anything, google maps shows 0 satelites. I looked at Windows->Settings->GPS and it shows a Hardware port of "none" no matter how many times I change and OK it.
Any ideas?
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I think you have same problem with 1800mAh battery. I beg that GPS works again with original battery!
from me
Originally Posted by liamhere
im in hong kong soon so ill get a bigger and beter one then
im a cheap cow.......mooooooo
and i can live with the battery for now
and ill just see what i can get while im there thats all
It's coming up on 30 days so if you're going to return it the time is now. I like the Fuze a lot, but after the Tilt I realize how important battery life is. I can't take another year of 12 hours of battery life until the next HTC device with a weak battery.
I might have to get the HP 910 Business Messenger. It has comparable features and size but has a 1940 mAh battery. What other sub-$500 alternatives to the Fuze are there? If the early reviews on the HP phone are positive, I'm gone.
Here's an idea... wait a month, get an extended battery... or carry a spare in your pocket. Is there anything else about the phone you don't like?
themyst said:
Here's an idea... wait a month, get an extended battery... or carry a spare in your pocket. Is there anything else about the phone you don't like?
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just the horrid battery and laggy gps and voice command issues and windows live with messenger not working properly even though windows live without messenger works perfectly and the cramped keyboard (that one isn't a big deal).
with these and other issues cited by XDA foks, HTC would have to release an updated ROM to fix all or most of them. and we can't count on them doing that.
so if i wait a month, no refund. an extended battery might do the trick, but they make the phone a brick and the smaller extended doesn't add much juice. and i don't even know if a cooked ROM would help significanty.
and i don't even know if a cooked ROM would help significanty.
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Then try it now before your 30 days is up and see if it helps. If not, then return it. If it helps, then you have the best phone possible right now. Dont return it until you explore all of your options.
Believe me, a cooked ROM makes a world a difference. it is like using a whole different phone. The screen is very responsive and everything loads much faster. While I agree the battery life is not great and the annoying design flaw with the molding chipping off, other than that I have no complaints.
i had a dutty rom on my tilt so i know they're great. i just don't know if the available ROMs solve the issues i listed (gps, voice command, windows live with messenger and others). but you're right. it won't hurt to try one.
now a politically incorrect question: which raphael chef is the closest to dutty in terms of ROM brilliance? i define brilliance as not just stripping a rom down (which, of course, is essential), but solving problems inherent to the device while adding a good deal of functionality.
Not trying to toot my own horn, but my ROM addresses the GPS and voice command issues irt the speaker (bluetooth vc is borked for the moment). I'm not sure what the issue is with windows live w/messenger, but the cab works fine when I install it (although it runs dog slow on the today screen)
Da_G said:
Not trying to toot my own horn, but my ROM addresses the GPS and voice command issues irt the speaker (bluetooth vc is borked for the moment). I'm not sure what the issue is with windows live w/messenger, but the cab works fine when I install it (although it runs dog slow on the today screen)
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Have to agree here, if you want a non-manila version, Da_G's is one of the best available for fuze owners. Its very quick and responsive. If you want to keep manila, ROMeOS is a great choice. You should also try different radios to get better battery life as well.
I am definetely not jumping ship. There is not a better phone out there currently and most if not all of my friends with other phones also have battery life issues. it is what it is with these mini computers if you are a real "power user". You either keep it plugged in when you are using your desktop and in your office, or plug it in whenever in the car, or get a spare battery. All of those options are not that bad to be honest, but nothing else compares to the phone in general. I have added just about everything I can to my fuze without changing rom or radio and I think it is an incredible phone that just keeps getting better with each day I find a new tweak or program to play with.
You can read my full review of my fuze on my blog at http://www.politicaldisgust.com/2008/12/05/att-htc-fuze-review/
For work I have had all the different Blackberry phones since the day they were released and with the type of usage I have they ALL ran out of battery during the day and had to be charged as mentioned above. Sure it was a little better then the fuze battery BUT the blackberry is 1/2 the phone/computer.
Check out my review. I am not jumping ship. It will only get better and better with new programs, cooked roms/radios, new cases released, etc.
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I am definetely not jumping ship. There is not a better phone out there currently and most if not all of my friends with other phones also have battery life issues. it is what it is with these mini computers if you are a real "power user". You either keep it plugged in when you are using your desktop and in your office, or plug it in whenever in the car, or get a spare battery. All of those options are not that bad to be honest, but nothing else compares to the phone in general. I have added just about everything I can to my fuze without changing rom or radio and I think it is an incredible phone that just keeps getting better with each day I find a new tweak or program to play with.
You can read my full review of my fuze on my blog at http://www.politicaldisgust.com/2008/12/05/att-htc-fuze-review/
For work I have had all the different Blackberry phones since the day they were released and with the type of usage I have they ALL ran out of battery during the day and had to be charged as mentioned above. Sure it was a little better then the fuze battery BUT the blackberry is 1/2 the phone/computer.
Check out my review. I am not jumping ship. It will only get better and better with new programs, cooked roms/radios, new cases released, etc.
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you are probably right. even the reviews of this HP phone i mentioned are mixed and say it's battery might not be that great.
I would definitely ditch the stock rom, also I heard security unlocking your phone greatly increases battery life, correct me if I'm wrong.
I wont be anytime soon. Like others said cooked rom's help as well as testing other radio's to see which one give the best battery life. I highly suggest getting your fuze security unlocked so you can test other radios. So far I'm loving this phone. At first I wasn't sure b/c the tilt was very good to me, but now I'm positive I won't be taking it back.
It'll only get better from here.
Cooked ROMs always break something though, and regardless you can't fix poor hardware design with a new ROM. To those who say they have the best phone out now, guess they haven't tried the Xperia yet.
You make a very good point..
/me muddles over to play with the xperia drivers
My brother has the hp 910. I liked it at first, I used to have 6515 and loved it. Since that phone I've been hooked on windows mobile. I liked the 910 but always wanted a bigger screen. Funny thing is this screen isn't bigger. However when I look at my brothers 910 i think 2 things:
DAmn this thing is super pixelated
and
I never realized how wide it was.
However I think HP does a way better job than HTC. I never had so many problems with my 6515, as I do with this phone. But, I can't go back once I had a taste of this vga sexy goodness.
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Here's an idea... wait a month, get an extended battery... or carry a spare in your pocket. Is there anything else about the phone you don't like?
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when is that supposed to be released? I'm definitely going to get one.
btw.. im squeezing more battery life out of my fuze with NATF's cooked ROM. I've had it on for about 14 hours and its only at 75% with moderate usage... I did turn off HSDPA because i thought 3G would get me a little better battery life
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It's coming up on 30 days so if you're going to return it the time is now. I like the Fuze a lot, but after the Tilt I realize how important battery life is. I can't take another year of 12 hours of battery life until the next HTC device with a weak battery.
I might have to get the HP 910 Business Messenger. It has comparable features and size but has a 1940 mAh battery. What other sub-$500 alternatives to the Fuze are there? If the early reviews on the HP phone are positive, I'm gone.
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if you want battery life, go with blackjack II or maybe even epix. Of all the phone's I've used, motorola probably lasts forever. U can always wait for their android phone~ HP is HUGE (have you seen it in person?)
I'm not having too much battery life problem running RomeOs. I hear NATF's really good too (i'm waiting for him to stabilize his ROM for GOOD b4 switching, i'm new to the flashing world so I'd rather wait until all the kinks are fixed). are you on 3G the whole time? No phone lasts long when they're on the 3G network constantly. maybe try disconnecting it after X seconds of inactivity?
I'm also planning to get a spare battery so i can make full use of the media functionality (ie. music over bluetooth, video, browsing...etc). Replaceable battery was one of the deciding factors for me when I was hunting for a new phone.
and...um...not sure if anyone's felt the same way, the topic for this thread's a bit belittling. I understand you're not satisfied with your handset, but there's really no need to make all the other fuze users who aren't jumping ship seem like idiots who cling onto their phone even tho it's "defective". (that's was the first thought that came to my mind before I actually read your post and understood ur dilemma). sorry about the vent, just had to get it out
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if you want battery life, go with blackjack II or maybe even epix. Of all the phone's I've used, motorola probably lasts forever. U can always wait for their android phone~ HP is HUGE (have you seen it in person?)
I'm not having too much battery life problem running RomeOs. I hear NATF's really good too (i'm waiting for him to stabilize his ROM for GOOD b4 switching, i'm new to the flashing world so I'd rather wait until all the kinks are fixed). are you on 3G the whole time? No phone lasts long when they're on the 3G network constantly. maybe try disconnecting it after X seconds of inactivity?
I'm also planning to get a spare battery so i can make full use of the media functionality (ie. music over bluetooth, video, browsing...etc). Replaceable battery was one of the deciding factors for me when I was hunting for a new phone.
and...um...not sure if anyone's felt the same way, the topic for this thread's a bit belittling. I understand you're not satisfied with your handset, but there's really no need to make all the other fuze users who aren't jumping ship seem like idiots who cling onto their phone even tho it's "defective". (that's was the first thought that came to my mind before I actually read your post and understood ur dilemma). sorry about the vent, just had to get it out
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lol...i'm definitely not attacking other fuze owners. just wondering how seriously people think the phone's flaws are. i'm going to try a cooked ROM and see how that goes.
Had to put my .02 in. Yes, I am jumping ship...from the iPhone to the Fuze. As an oldtime smartphone addict, I've tried a bunch of em over the years (yep, paid 599 for the original iPhone, but at least I didn't stand in line for it). Didn't upgrade to the 3G, cause they didn't add in the no-brainer stuff that everyone has talked about (and didn't want to give up my $20 data plan for a minimal upgrade). I will miss the SWEET UI, but the get-back features that the Fuze brings to the table are worth it (not to mention not having to juggle everything thru iTunes). From everything I've read, yes there have been some infancy gotcha's, but it appears to me that you smart folks have fixed the huge majority of them. Thanks guys <followed by an I'm not worthy bow> for the fixes, and this incredible info forum!
Well, to sum it up the Fuze for me:
o +0.6 is less broken than the Tilt graphically because it has some 2D/3D acceleration, but it's something like 60% of Kaiser's speeds.
o -1.0 has broken d-pad design by that company that designs only for show (and since HTC bought them, expect more of it)
o -1.0 poor case design that won't stand up to wear nor finger prints
o +1.5 has G-sensors that would make cool programming possibilities
o +1.0 has VGA display that should've been standard with Kaiser
0 +0.0 decent keyboard
o -1.0 is inferior, cheap-skate HTC/Qualcomm combination
vs Xperia (which I have yet to find in a store [and now delayed to January 12th, 2009]):
o +0.4 is less broken than Tilt graphically, but ~85% of Fuze's speed
o +0.5 doesn't have broken d-pad design, but questionable optical cursor
o +1.0 good case design that'll stand up to wear and fingerprints
o -1.5 doesn't have G-sensors for advanced programs
o +1.5 has VGA+ display for more screen estate usage such as PalmOS like writing/game-controller area
o -0.5 blah keyboard
o -1.0 is inferior, cheap-skate HTC/Qualcomm combination
so 0.1 versus 0.4 over the Kaiser. Hmm..
If only there was alternative Samsung/Xscale pda + 3D + accelerometers that isn't the iPhone.
I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
Also it could be radio and what most likely is the signal strength. As weaker the signal, as more power required to compensate.
WAAAAHHHH! Don't buy a smart phone then.
I get a full days use. About 2 hours of music playing, signed into an IM client and do some msg and talking and still have 75% at the end of the day.
My guess that its your rom, but i am betting you didn't change the setting in HTC's task manager.
Go to Settings > system > Task manager and change the close action button actually close the buttom. The default action for WM task manager and HTC task manager is to minimize or hide the apps.
So let's say i open WMPlayer, Google Maps, Contacts, Text, Microsoft word. I hit the X, but if i don't change that setting, when i press the X, those programs are still running consuming battery and memory.
Try making sure no unneeded tasks are running and update your radio to 1.14.25.05, and Da_G's 6.5 rom and lets see how ya do next week.
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Yo PwnCakes193..
I feel yur agony.. I used to experience shi tty battery life too.. My raphael can only sustained for like 5 hours.. without battery draining applications like music player even running..
However, Things took a turn when i flashed my raphael to the following rom and radio:
ROM Version: ROMeOS v1.95.4 WWE
Radio: 1.12.25.19 (With matching rilphone version)
It is so much better now !! I have calls and sms coming in while Garmin GPS is running for like an hour with battery dropping only 15% from 100% to 75%... !! And i **** u not.. And by the way.. my raphael's been with me for like 5 months now.. I'm loving it more each day..
Good luck and hav fun!
Too advanced for you?
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
I echo what's been said in above posts and would add as a suggestion only to try the new htc rom with the 1.14.xx radio both are the latest from htc. Boring I know, but very stable. Don't throw your device away without trying it. The custom roms can be frustrating as they can be unstable at times, but very fun to tweak and experiment with.It sounds like yourmore a user who wants stability over the rest. Go to htc site and search for latest rom, try that 1.14 radio and report back.
I use a 1800 mAh battery in my pro and I always charge everynight. Not a big deal. I also have prolly less than the 75% you reported at the same time, another not a big deal. "it is what it is" You can adapt or you can get a diff phone. I have an LG dumb phone my work supplies me for calls only, that battery lasts 2 weeks . LOL!!
wow, harsh words.
It's not like this complaint is an isolated one. There are other forums out there(AT&T, and Howard) that have the same observations about battery life. To say that it is a portable pc and that someone should be happy with 6-8 hours of battery life is pretty silly too. It is a smartphone, like the blackberry, like the treo, like the blackberry. And when people complained about the battery life of the Iphone, it's not like everyone said, deal with it. Apple released another firmware to try and remedy this. Blackberrys seem to go for a couple if not more days without charging with 3G, push email etc running, so why would this not be expected from the Fuze?
I own both the Tilt and the Fuze and find I can squeeze out about 3 days with push email, a bluetooth headset, about an hour or two a day of listening to music through the headset and 3G enabled. The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the tilt, so wouldn't it be logical to think i should be able to do the same with this product? I have flashed several different roms and radios(with the rilphone.dll) and right now cannot get past 8 hours of usage on it. I thought it was the radio but I have tested it without a sim in it and get the same results. So either the battery is faulty, or it just stinks.
I am going through troubleshooting it right now, and based on some helpful hints on other forums, am trying to discharge the battery fully in hopes that it resets the battery guage.
I think helpful posts, like those that say try a new radio/rom are good ways to respond. Saying "go get an Iphone" or "this is a ppc, deal with the battery" are not helpful to people who search the forums for solutions.
Just my 2(maybe a lot more) cents
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
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Really? Listen a**hole, I know what I'm dealing with. I'm running the 21210 build of 6.5 that I cooked in Da_G's Kitchen with the .20M1 radio AND RIL. Yes, I know i'm being picky, but a phone should last at least a little while, no matter what. I get a full day charge, but just texting and no calling, on EDGE, I should easily be down to 85% in 24 hours. I know it's a small PC, but that is no excuse. I am a mainstream tech savvy person, and I mod/hack everything I own, use everything to it's full potential. I don't want an iPhone because its an overhyped and, in my opinion, horrible phone. I was never trying to look cool when I bought this phone. I even helped a few members out here when they bricked their phones, and I taught a few how to cook ROMs!
Next time think before you post, you troll.
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I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
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I have tried almost all the ROMs, my favorite being At0mAng's, but he's gone now . I'm cooking my own 6.5 ROMs now
The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the Tilt? I guess according to the order that ATT purchased their HTC phones, but probably not according to HTC...
The HTC Touch Pro is the successor of the Diamond. Just because ATT replaced the Tilt with the Fuze does not mean its the successor. Tmobile is calling the TP2 the "Wing 2" in America, does that mean it's the successor to the wing?? NO. If anything most hardcore HTC follower will agree the TP2 is the successor to the Tilt (kinda obvious isn't it?).
Regardless of what order they came in, or what phone its supposed to replace, the Fuze has a bigger processor, twice as much ram, and twice as high resolution LCD. Its hard to compare the 2 on battery life. My Tilt gets a faster GPS lock, and the battery lasts way longer, than the Fuze. Does that mean its better? NO.
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
If you have an honest question where you need help then please ask, and im sure someone will help you get MUCH better battery life! All i really meant by what i was saying before i got sidetracked, is that if you don't like your HTC products, or it doesn't fit your lifestyle like you thought it would, then take it back, and get something else. Just don't come into a HTC forum, and start badmouthing products, because that will get you nowhere, and you should have been expecting the answer you got.
I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
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Where'd you get badass? I just said I hacked/modded a lot of the things I owned.... I haven't gotten into the processing specs and all that stuff yet...
And since when does being a troll have to do with what time you joined? I have yet to troll on this forum, I have either asked questions, or have helped people who are having trouble....
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I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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I hear that, I can relate as I've had my s**t jumped a few times on this forum as well and I always learned from it. I'm not an expert at all and thats the reason I come here to learn about my various wm devices, currently the touch pro. I undestand the issues especially with battery and stability.Except for battery I don't have any complaints that you mention. My RF which I value as a number 1 priority is very good. No dialer issues here either. I also think it would be nice to have perfectly operating devices right out of the box and considering what we pay for these things, it seems we should get better. In my experience all the wm devices I've ever had have had inadequate batteries. It's just the way it is. I did not expect my pro to be any diff. in that regard. I got it anyway and bought a better battery. In the past few weeks I've tried various 6.5 roms with differing results and none were very stable. It's the way it is and I don't really expect it to be better, but I love it anyway. I've used symbian s60 nokia devices and thought some of the e series have outstanding stability and battery life. So I have choices.
My choice is to continue learning and I'll get extended batteries when I think I need it. When I get tired of the wm BS I'll go back to E series for awhile.
For anyone who is calling themselves proficient in wm and the various ins and outs of flashing and obviously has some experience apparently, I find it kinda strange that they would be surprised by the battery life. Stability can be had from diff rom combos. But bad battery life is a given with wm. we get used to it and move on or go check out e series. It also rocks! Lotsa choices.
Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
wow, boys, calm down. *****ing at each other is oh so productive. maybe we could try to HELP each other out and be friends! just a thought...
i'm getting maybe 12 hours on a full charge running the leaked att stock rom and it's really starting to tick me off. i bought a portable power pack that can give me a full charge on its full charge (Xpal harry II) but i want to be able to get AT LEAST a full day without having to pop it onto a usb or wall charger for 20 minutes. im thinknig of flashing to da_g's or natf's 6.1 roms witihn the next couple weeks hoping that they'd be able to improve my battery life. i'm pretty happy with the radio and i'm in boston so no major signal issues there. maybe it's just a sh*tty rom draining my battery?
and now that i wasted 10 minutes reading this thread, i'm giong to go back to studying for finals. joy.
EDIT: I installed the fuzeberry theme a week or two ago and that's caused a TF3D problem (see my thread here about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511760) but is there any chance that THIS is also killing my battery? hate the att manila but i might have to revert back if it gets me more hours :\
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****, sorry mate I can't remember now, I changed a setting in the registry and installed a keyboardincrease cab? Maybe others on here will be able to point you in the right direction. I am a noob at this type of stuff really and just follow instructions that members on here suggest - once the problems fixed I forget about it.
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try using a 6.5 ROM I cooked now, it's doing fairly well, i would Hard-SPL, then try and flash a new radio or ROM, should help you out, turn off 3G, which should help. Also download advanceconfig and turn on the power saving items there.
FWIW, I have never had good results with the gps, but since I flashed the htc 5.05.401.1 with radio: 1.14.25.05 I now get very quick lock times. Also battery is a bit better even tho I'm running shell3.