We all know that the IE version in WP7 is based of Internet Explorer 7, and we all know that IE7 sucks.
But, do you think that it would be possible for the Opera team to make a browser for it? Spotify got native access, would Microsoft grant the to Opera too?
i hope they bring opera over to wp7 but initially they said there would not be any other browsers for wp7
but from the youtube videos ive seen the browser on wp7 looks pretty good tabbed browsing and everything loads were pretty speedy we'll have to see how it workks
Don't really care. I would love FireFox though. the beta for Android is pretty nice.
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
love the expert opinion in this thread which claims that IE is based entirely on IE7 and that IE on wp7 sucks. sounds like OP has used a real wp7 hardware and IE sucked.
funny it didn't suck for me when opening website's and yet to see rendering problems.
ps - IE on wp7 is based on IE7 and IE8.
It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Yeah, Firefox would also be nice, but from earlier actions I don't think that Mozilla will even consider porting Firefox to a non open platform.
The problem with the built in IE is that the rendering engine is outdated, and this can cause problems with websites not rendering correctly.
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I guess you've used the browser in WP7 and know this for a fact, right?
Many different hands-on experiences with developer phones, say that the browser is actually performing very very well.
Pocketnow.com has made a video comparison with android and iOS, and I gotta say, it removed all of my doubts. Whether it's the best, not sure, but it definitely suffices. Especially once Adobe launches Flash for WP7 and Microsoft fixed Silverlight in the browser - two things we know are going to happen.
Also, from a job opening posted by Microsoft, you can tell that HTML5 is on its way too. However, HTML5 is not important yet as it's not being used for mobile ends yet.
crow26 said:
It's based on IE7 and IE7 and it sucks indeed.
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Way to bash something you haven't used yet.
Opera Mini is a must.
Even if IE7 will perform great on WP7, I don't imagine using full page rendering browser
all the time.
Because of battery and because of bad signal areas!!!
Opera Mobile opens pages always fast no matter what kind of connection you use.
Because it's server rendering machine.
Plus loads 1/10 of actual page size, so saves A LOT of data and energy.
I thought it was based on IE7 and IE8 which is why all the reviews I've seen have actually said its pretty decent.
Not fussed about HTML5 at the mo as even the standards committee has said its not ready for prime time yet
BTW I would like to have BOTH.
doministry said:
BTW I would like to have BOTH.
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I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
gom99 said:
I'd like to have both for the reasons doministry said before.
9 time out of 10 I don't care if a page renders correctly, my preference is for pages to render quickly, and such that I can still make sense out of it.
I like text to be one columned so I don't have to scroll left and right to read it. I also like that it's server rendered so it's loads fast. Also I don't have to reload a page when I hit the back button.
For those rare occasions I need a page to render correctly I'd open Opera Mobile, or PIE.
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Yes.
BTW on my WM 6.5.3 SE X2 Flash support works much nicer on PIE than Opera Mobile..
Is this still being looked at? Opera mini for WP7?
I would like to have Opera in WP7 and voted that way, but on a second thought I would better have both.
Honestly the only problem I have with IE on WP7 is no text reflow and it's pretty hard to read forums in the phone with no text reflow.
I love opera and its odd having Opera Link Without an Opera Browser they need to get on this.
Interesting if that would ever appear.
I assume Opera will make the move when WP7 will gain any real marketshare.
I don't think Opera will come until there is access to native code. There is no way they could write a browser in silverlight that would even come near the performance of the native browser. Not to mention, they would need to rewrite from scratch instead of utilizing their existing code base.
So yeah, not happening anytime soon.
i don't really cảe since they put IE9 in Mango.
Maybe IE10 too with Appolo or Tango.
What is the possibility of a desktop friendly web browser UI? The issue is that there isn't a single browser that offers a HDMI mirroring friendly UI. Opera supposedly has a tablet UI but with no access to it on almost all devices.
Removing/disabling things like textbox zoom, popping in and out of fullscreen mode, the tab/url/button bars disappearing would be ideal. These are things that you don't see in everyday browsing with a desktop browser.
First Image- I've attached a pic of a suggested UI. Having a "desktop/standard UI" button in the drop down menu would be a good idea as well.
Second Image- I've come close by breaking the theme engine on xscope but still have the above mentioned issues.
Third Image- A comparison of the first two vs Firefox 4 Desktop (800x600 cropped to 800x480). When comparing current browser UI's to Firefox it's obvious that a mirroring friendly UI is needed.
Does anybody want a "Desktop UI" browser? Web browsing via HDMI mirroring is kinda lousy without one.
I was thinking if someone could kang the desktop ui from the atrix and port it to the EVO, we could have a similar experience that the atrix community is having now that they can access it through HDMI without moto's expensive dock accessory.
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I was thinking if someone could kang the desktop ui from the atrix and port it to the EVO, we could have a similar experience that the atrix community is having now that they can access it through HDMI without moto's expensive dock accessory.
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The problem is that the Artix runs a whole different frontend when in dock/laptop mode. It even runs a full desktop version of Firefox. As capable as the Evo is, I think this is well beyond even and OC'ed Evo. Hopefully with the Evo Desktop PC guide I put up, the browser request may get more attention.
I have an actual computer for casual web browsing. I have one hooked to my HDTVs and projector as well. Why you would would want to do it from your phone is beyond me, talk about a limited experience...
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I have an actual computer for casual web browsing. I have one hooked to my HDTVs and projector as well. Why you would would want to do it from your phone is beyond me, talk about a limited experience...
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Limited in what way? I've been using the Evo as a desktop since late Feb. And have come across only two content types that don't work, Silverlight and Divx. Live TV isn't an issue either. Except for updating the FullHDMI website I haven't touched my computer in over a month. I even did the keymap editing for the "Evo Desktop" project on the Evo.
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Limited in what way? I've been using the Evo as a desktop since late Feb. And have come across only two content types that don't work, Silverlight and Divx. Live TV isn't an issue either. Except for updating the FullHDMI website I haven't touched my computer in over a month. I even did the keymap editing for the "Evo Desktop" project on the Evo.
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I would really like to know how you do that, can you give me a link? "key mapping"
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!
This guy Loki is on to something. I'm interested.
I'm not a windows programmer but surely a web designer in needs and dreams...
Since this is first place for mobile enviroment, I'm dreaming of a browser chrome for us web-designer would gladly pay for... Emulators are varied, most of them requires their own enviroment and so chunky that it takes ages to check your website in their emulators...
Let's take some facts. Mobile browsers surely varied. But one thing is for sure, large portion of them based on Webkit and as you know Webkit browsers does not cut it with changing user-agent...
A Webkit browser, that "simulates" mobile enviroments
With a menu you will be able to choose your screen size, type of device you want to simulate with User-agents and so on...
You want to simulate an iPhone browser? You will be able to use a iOS like fonts in dimensions similiar to those in iOS, you won't allow Flash. Simulate mouse gestures as your touches. With CTRL button and mouse gesture, you will simply zoom in and out like in iOS Simulator on Macs and will have proper dimensions and user-agent, Will have touch events, touch starts and swipes like iPhone
You want to simulate an Android browser? Same as before, different devices, different dimensions but with Android fonts. Act automatically, zoom out to show page if not given specific mobile css's...
Simulate an older Nokia like N73? Why not, it is also webkit, limitations of javascript, but zooms and acts like an older Nokia but will have mouse pointer, no touchy, added menu controls of symbian...
Opera did this for their own mobile. Something of a Webkit is still missing... I will dream with such a browser simulation.
So why Google can't understand that you need flash enabled browser to reach Desktop browsing expiriance? I understand that Adobe stopped supporting flash, but maybe few million bucks would help them? Or they just want mobile users?
I think they just want to rule the web with the best search engine, maybe browser and att the end of the priority list comes an OS for PC's
The chromebooks looks really nice though but it feels more like a toy when you work with it.
All of us surely remember the time when we had to deal with the agonizingly slow Mircosoft Internet Explorer browser. Most of us had alternates like Google Chrome, downloaded just so they would not have to go through the torture and delay that the Internet Explorer put us through. But, those days are definitely over and, Mircosoft’s Edge browser is going strong, so far. And, now, Microsoft’s star browser would not be limited to only your PC; it is coming to iOS and Android (the beta version is already here!)
Making their browser available on Android and iOS was the next step we expected Microsoft to take, in order to work better with smartphones. Mircosoft’s Edge browser has a unique feature that makes it stand out among all the other browsers you can use on your smartphone. It has a ‘continue on PC’ feature, which lets you continue your browsing where you left it off on your smartphone. Cool, right?
The Edge browser has a lot more to offer than just the ‘continue on PC’ feature. Having the iOS and Android app, allows you to access your history, favorites, reading list and ebooks. Joe Belfiore, fro Microsoft, says that they still have to work on the desktop version of Edge to support the smartphone app. Below is link
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