All of us surely remember the time when we had to deal with the agonizingly slow Mircosoft Internet Explorer browser. Most of us had alternates like Google Chrome, downloaded just so they would not have to go through the torture and delay that the Internet Explorer put us through. But, those days are definitely over and, Mircosoft’s Edge browser is going strong, so far. And, now, Microsoft’s star browser would not be limited to only your PC; it is coming to iOS and Android (the beta version is already here!)
Making their browser available on Android and iOS was the next step we expected Microsoft to take, in order to work better with smartphones. Mircosoft’s Edge browser has a unique feature that makes it stand out among all the other browsers you can use on your smartphone. It has a ‘continue on PC’ feature, which lets you continue your browsing where you left it off on your smartphone. Cool, right?
The Edge browser has a lot more to offer than just the ‘continue on PC’ feature. Having the iOS and Android app, allows you to access your history, favorites, reading list and ebooks. Joe Belfiore, fro Microsoft, says that they still have to work on the desktop version of Edge to support the smartphone app. Below is link
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There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
Big_O said:
There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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Based on the performance of past Internet Explorer versions--I'd say that Skyfire might still out-perform it. From various comments and reviews, I understand that Skyfire is remarkably fast despite the added Flash-support. Let's hope Microsoft gives them run for their money!
yea..i wouldnt be too worried if i was skyfire..microsoft hasnt gotten it right yet...what makes me think they will start to now?
The only thing missing from the smartphone/internet experience is adobe flash support. That accounts for a tremendous amount of web page viewing. People are tired of looking at text or empty boxes while viewing web pages from their phones. Microsoft already has their new browser, which was unveilled at CITA last April. It would seem logical to release an update by the first quarter of 2009. This is also the time for CES in Vegas 2009.
Some company will eventually offer adobe flash based viewing for windows mobile -- that's the good news.
Rim (blackberry) and apple (iphone) will probably not support adobe flash, even though apple is talking about adding it.
Big_O said:
There's no doubt, Windows Mobile will support Adobe Flash and become a "desktop like" multimedia experience. The question is when.
Skyfire had better release their browser or there will be no use for it.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx
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microsoft always said stupidities
I'm using a WP7 NoDo ROM on an HTC HD2 that I was previously running Android on. I really like WP7 (the music player especially) and am looking forward to getting more apps in the Marketplace.
BUT, I've been disappointed with the web browser. I visit a number of technology blogs, most of which use the Disqus system for posting comments. When using the WP7 browser, I regularly see messages saying "you are using an older browser, please upgrade your Flash version or upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 in order to comment". This is on Boy Genius Report (mobile version).
I get that WP7 doesn't have Flash, so it must be the IE version that's not letting me comment. On some sites, I can't even view the comments when accessing the mobile version of the site like Engadget. I can view it when accessing the desktop version of the site, though like before, I can't post comments. I never had these problems on the Dolphin Browser Mini on Android.
Also, I've set the user agent on the WP7 browser to "desktop" a number of times, but it keeps defaulting to the mobile website on sites like Gawker (and its associated sites like Gizmodo,etc), Boy Genius Report and Ars Technica. Any way to solve this?
Last problem: on the Gawker network sites, when accessing the mobile site, I can't expand replies. I click the link that says "Show 2 replies" or something, nothing happens. The link gets highlighted once i touch it, but it doesn't expand. The fonts in the comment section look jagged and pixelated as well, which doesn't happen on other sites.
Try a Mango beta ROM for the HD2 as mango have IE which might fix some of your problems. As for the desktop/mobile view, some site supersede what ever setting you have set in your browser. I know, it's annoying, but it's the site, not IE. Facebook, Youtube, Google, & a few other sites do this. Some have a link to click to change that setting via a cookie, others, you have to manually type in the "www.".
I tried a Mango ROM but it's a laggy right now (not much, but the NoDo has zero lag, so it's noticeable). any way, the problems were there as well. You're right, some sites do force a redirect to the mobile site. It just sucks that the WP7 browser is still primitive compared to those available on Android or iOS.
some people who post here are misinformed, I don't get redirected on any sites I goto except for google and their sister sites. the fact that the wp7 browser is primitive compared to android and iOS is also wrong because I've gotten redirected to mobile sites much more on those browsers than on wp7 NoDo and mango beta. those browsers don't even have an option to toggle between mobile and desktop.the wp7 mango browser which is based off IE9 scores 97/100 on the acid3 test while the android and iOS browsers are in the low 90s. the IE in mango also renders html5 at a higher framerate than the competition.this has been proven as well. and as for the fact of the disqus comment system not working in NoDo this is because the IE in NoDo is based off IE7 and those sites require IE8 to comment. it could also be due to the fact that like IE7 the IE in nodo only clocks a score of 15 on the acid3 test. the disqus comment system is also known for having issues as well.
Disqus i have problems on. But i can read comments and switch between mobile or desktop without problems on the sites i wisit. I even save bookmarks in various formats since some places is better in mobile view. I can however on sites as pocketnow not read comments in mobile view, i cant do that on my currently borrowed Android phone ether.
Heard users having no problems on Mango thou.
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some people who post here are misinformed, I don't get redirected on any sites I goto except for google and their sister sites. the fact that the wp7 browser is primitive compared to android and iOS is also wrong because I've gotten redirected to mobile sites much more on those browsers than on wp7 NoDo and mango beta. those browsers don't even have an option to toggle between mobile and desktop.the wp7 mango browser which is based off IE9 scores 97/100 on the acid3 test while the android and iOS browsers are in the low 90s. the IE in mango also renders html5 at a higher framerate than the competition.this has been proven as well. and as for the fact of the disqus comment system not working in NoDo this is because the IE in NoDo is based off IE7 and those sites require IE8 to comment. it could also be due to the fact that like IE7 the IE in nodo only clocks a score of 15 on the acid3 test. the disqus comment system is also known for having issues as well.
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I am just speaking from day-to-day usage experience. I mentioned that I was using Dolphin Browser Mini on Android, which certainly does have a user agent option, so you are mistaken.
On Mango Beta I was having the same browser problems as I did in my OP (NoDo). Disqus would display OK on desktop sites (and on some mobile sites) but wouldn't let me log in or post. On Gawker Media sites, I couldn't expand replies on their proprietary comment system, which displays fine on DBMini. THe fonts are also messed up on WP7. You can see for yourself by checking the fonts on comments on your computer and then looking at them again through WP7.
Scrolling through forums like Crackberry or NotebookReview is also a little sluggish, whereas there isn't any lag on DBMini. The desktop version of the Staples site also lagged, and showed typing delays in the search bar. I don't get what those benchmarks are supposed to mean, by the way. I don't go to graphics intensive websites on my phone or anything, just simple news and shopping websites.
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Disqus i have problems on. But i can read comments and switch between mobile or desktop without problems on the sites i wisit. I even save bookmarks in various formats since some places is better in mobile view. I can however on sites as pocketnow not read comments in mobile view, i cant do that on my currently borrowed Android phone ether.
Heard users having no problems on Mango thou.
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So maybe this is a case of web designers optimizing site display for iOS and Android browsers, but not WP7? I thought there were standards in place so that they'd all display the same in all browsers.
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I am just speaking from day-to-day usage experience. I mentioned that I was using Dolphin Browser Mini on Android, which certainly does have a user agent option, so you are mistaken.
On Mango Beta I was having the same browser problems as I did in my OP (NoDo). Disqus would display OK on desktop sites (and on some mobile sites) but wouldn't let me log in or post. On Gawker Media sites, I couldn't expand replies on their proprietary comment system, which displays fine on DBMini. THe fonts are also messed up on WP7. You can see for yourself by checking the fonts on comments on your computer and then looking at them again through WP7.
Scrolling through forums like Crackberry or NotebookReview is also a little sluggish, whereas there isn't any lag on DBMini. The desktop version of the Staples site also lagged, and showed typing delays in the search bar. I don't get what those benchmarks are supposed to mean, by the way. I don't go to graphics intensive websites on my phone or anything, just simple news and shopping websites.
So maybe this is a case of web designers optimizing site display for iOS and Android browsers, but not WP7? I thought there were standards in place so that they'd all display the same in all browsers.
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yea I didn't experience issues with commenting in NoDo before they made the IE8 requirement,haven't tried in mango yet. it may all he due to the fact that disqus uses popups and IEM9 doesn't support pop UPS. I don't know about the 3rd party browsers because I dont use them. provide links to the sites ur experiencingthese "problems" on so we can test.
Hi guys, today I saw Nokia WP7 Lumia 800, before myself.
No doubt WP7 looked Beautiful. I mean Android is far better in definition of smartphone, for e.g. True multitasking, etc. but I never found Android OS beautiful.
I had Android in my hand (CM7 with complete ICS look, also ICS status bar), and my friend had WP7, and WP7 looked amazingly beautiful.
Personally I would love an OS which is beautiful, since I look at it (the OS), and I'm not a huge app user. Also I'm not a user who does not need apps running in background. Here are the apps that I use on Android (only these apps)----
1) App Lock - Prevent unauthorized access for any person to any of my apps (Very useful)
2) Calculus Tools
3) Handy Calc
4) Concise Offline Dictionary (Very useful)
5) Moon Reader (epub reader ebook reader) (Very Very useful)
6) MX Player (Very useful, plays any video format)
7) Opera Mini & Opera Mobile (Very useful, saves data cost, but IE10 does same, opera saves 97% how much IE10?)
8) USB Tunnel (Reverse Tether, very useful)
So, I want to ask, are these apps ( or there replacement apps )are available on WP7 market, or WP8 market???
I'm looking forward to buy WP8 in future. Please reply if you know these apps or replacement apps are available for WP7 orWP8?
Also, Windows is major PC OS, and I'll always have Windows ( Mac never ), and Windows PC has many software, so there is great possibility that WP8 will see many new apps in market, ( WP8 ports of the PC softwares ). Also looking for full integration with my PC. ( like iOS and MAC).
"App Lock" sounds like something that should be provided by the OS. On WP7 you can easily set a PIN or password, and configure the phone's lock behavior in other ways. That said, I don't know of a way to lock apps without also locking the rest of the phone (although some behaviors, like taking pictures or placing calls using voice, can be enabled even while the phone is locked if you want them to be).
The calculator that comes with the phone is very good, but if you want something more like a graphing calculator (or otherwise intnded for calculus) you'll need an app. I don't know how good they are, since I just tend to use the Scientific and Programmer calculator modes (which are built in), but such apps do exist.
There are a number of offline dictionary apps, for sure. English is well-supported, but quite a few lenguages are in the offline dictionary app list.
There are many Ebook reader apps. I personally use the Kindle app (which takes minor hacking to use with ebooks not from the Kindle store, and uses .MOBI or .PRC files) but there are several free apps for EPUB as well.
Not sure about media player apps. Most of them just support the codecs built into the phone (which are a good selection, but hardly all-encompassing). Apps are allowed to implement additional codecs, but I have never personally used any that do. Zune software on the PC can transcode most codecs to something the phone can read when you sync the files from your PC, though.
Opera (mini and mobile) for Windows Phone is currently only available on fully-unlocked custom ROMs, though it may be made to work on root-unlocked stock ROMs soon. I don't know about the data savings of Windows Phone IE.
USB Tunnel is for letting the phone connect through the PC's Internet connection? That feature is built into the OS. When the phone connects to the Zune software on the PC, it automatically enables Ethernet over USB.
Please bear in mind that nobody knows anything much about what will be available for WP8 right now. It was ony just announced, is still months from release, and there's very little meaningful and reliable information about it available yet.
With Windows 8 and Surface coming out soon and the fact that I've enjoyed Windows 8 on my laptop and it's new ecosystem, I think I may dump Android for WP8.
I know the biggest thing to come up is Apps. Android apps I use on a daily basis or ones I really like are:
Flipboard
Google Reader
Google Maps (and navigation)
YouTube (Official App)
I am tied into the Google ecosystem for my contacts and google services and I know they can be converted to a Microsoft Account. But, I do have a Windows Phone 7 as my work phone and while I love the OS much more than Android, I love the above mentioned apps much more on the droid. I've tried the third party Reader and YouTube apps and they just don't measure up. But I am also ready for one ecosystem and since I already have an XBOX and a Microsoft shop at home, I am ready to go all Microsoft for my mobile world. But so want my apps!
Anyone else face this quandary?
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With Windows 8 and Surface coming out soon and the fact that I've enjoyed Windows 8 on my laptop and it's new ecosystem, I think I may dump Android for WP8.
I know the biggest thing to come up is Apps. Android apps I use on a daily basis or ones I really like are:
Flipboard
Google Reader
Google Maps (and navigation)
YouTube (Official App)
I am tied into the Google ecosystem for my contacts and google services and I know they can be converted to a Microsoft Account. But, I do have a Windows Phone 7 as my work phone and while I love the OS much more than Android, I love the above mentioned apps much more on the droid. I've tried the third party Reader and YouTube apps and they just don't measure up. But I am also ready for one ecosystem and since I already have an XBOX and a Microsoft shop at home, I am ready to go all Microsoft for my mobile world. But so want my apps!
Anyone else face this quandary?
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you need to decide what you can do without more.
Personally I don't give too hoots about the apps on any platform which then leave the OS choice its self as the main reason for change, and hence why im on WP7 as well.
If I were you I would consider this, those apps you talk about have alternatives on WP7, so its not like its completely missing, so the question you need to ask yourself is this, is the overall OS and general phone features of WP more important than half a dozen apps that are still available to WP but not quite as youd want?
in my humble opinion again, a WP device is a phone first device, everything else is secondary inc apps.
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you need to decide what you can do without more.
Personally I don't give too hoots about the apps on any platform which then leave the OS choice its self as the main reason for change, and hence why im on WP7 as well.
If I were you I would consider this, those apps you talk about have alternatives on WP7, so its not like its completely missing, so the question you need to ask yourself is this, is the overall OS and general phone features of WP more important than half a dozen apps that are still available to WP but not quite as youd want?
in my humble opinion again, a WP device is a phone first device, everything else is secondary inc apps.
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Well, I understand the apps arguments. If there isn't an app, I can always use the browser. And I really don't care that I have every Angry Birds edition. But it is important to me that the platform is shown some love. I can't imagine why it is so hard for Yahoo! to release a Fantasy Football App for example. It is much easier to use in an app than in a mobile browser.
As mentioned, I have Verizon's one and only Windows Phone for work, the HTC Trophy. It is very lackluster hardware but I am able to get my WP7 fix. I just don't find myself using it much, mainly because I really don't like carrying two devices (often just forward the number to my personal phone.) I took your advice and looked for good, alternative apps:
PrimeTube: Prime tube seems to work quite well as my YouTube app. The Android YouTube app is pretty good but I was quite surprised with this app as it may surpass the Android App. Nice Work.
NextGen Reader: A passable Google Reader app. Kind of generic looking but it does the job. The small screen of the Trophy doesn't help so I imagine it will look good on a larger phone. The mobile web page for Google Reader isn't a bad option either.
Those are the only two I found. I do enjoy playing Madden 12 from time to time on my Android devices. The YouVersion Bible app is good but it is lacking the LIVE notes option.
My next step is to try out navigation on WP7 to see how is measures up with Google Maps. Going on a trip in a few weeks, so will test it. I will also try merging my Google contacts with my live account to see how I like the cloud services that MS offers.
I am also a long time ZunePass subscriber. I am disappointed at the lack of playlist options for streaming music. It if becomes more like Spotify, Microsoft will have a hit on their hands here.
Again, I want WP to succeed but I also don't want to ditch what I am comfortable with. I have a few months until Surface and WP8 are released. We will see what happens when that time comes.
So why Google can't understand that you need flash enabled browser to reach Desktop browsing expiriance? I understand that Adobe stopped supporting flash, but maybe few million bucks would help them? Or they just want mobile users?
I think they just want to rule the web with the best search engine, maybe browser and att the end of the priority list comes an OS for PC's
The chromebooks looks really nice though but it feels more like a toy when you work with it.