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Tilt with HTC ROM - GPS Issue

I have a Tilt (8925) with the stickied HTC ROM. Everything has been great, but I am having issues with GPS. I have downloaded both Google Maps and Live, gone in and checked the GPS settings of COM4 and Baud 4800. Neither of the two applications recognize that I have GPS. Am I missing something? Do I need to enable something on the device that I do not have active?
Thanks in advance!! Best Forum on the NET!

go to settings> System > External GPS settings
Programs should be COM4:
Hardware should be (None) and 57600
Access should be "checked"
Kaiser's GPS works differently from the others (I was using the Trinity) and the GPS Streams does not update like like the trinity.
After that, go to an open space, and get a sync first.
Thereafter, its all ok.

Thanks for the input. I have made the suggested changes and will get out in the open and try again. I'll post back with results.

When on the 8925 firmware, I manually set com4/4800 in google maps. And it never could get a sync in time, despite me running quickgps. I had to use another program to jumpstart it, which would take anywhere from 1 to 4 minutes the first time.
Now that I'm on htc firmware, I just let all the gps settings at default. Didn't configure them in google maps (default there is to use windows settings). Ran quickgps. Google maps gave me the couldn't do it message 3 or 4 times. But I was just playing around still and one time it just locked on. Ever since, it gets a lock in about 5-10 seconds.

After going outside, the GPS finally enabled and I was able to use it with Google Maps and Live. Before today, I had tried to do it inside....thanks again for the tip!

I tried this; clicked okay. I tried soft reset/hard reset and neither keeps the new setting (from 4800 to 57600).
Any ideas?
Note: I just upgrade to 2.0.0.12 from 1.00 so let me see if that solves the problem. Will report back.
Note2: That solved the problem (who knew that upgrading could actually fix something).
hangyong said:
go to settings> System > External GPS settings
Programs should be COM4:
Hardware should be (None) and 57600
Access should be "checked"
Kaiser's GPS works differently from the others (I was using the Trinity) and the GPS Streams does not update like like the trinity.
After that, go to an open space, and get a sync first.
Thereafter, its all ok.
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INTERNAL GPS & 3rd Parts Apps

Has anyone got the GPS working with any 3rd party applications.
I am particularly wanting to get Memory Map working but can't find out how - must be missing something
Stuart

ill be keeping an eye on this thread as ill also want to use memory map...

I have installed Navigon Navigator and i had to set the externel GPS Port to Port 6 (in settings, second tab) and i chose in Navigator GPS on Port 6, 9600 bauds and its working!

OK, this works for me;
Go to Settings, second tab(as described above)
select External GPS
On the first tab select a com port you want to use with your application, I chose 6.
Click on Hardware TabGPS Hardware Port - None (Baud 4800)
Next tab manage GPS automatically is ticked
Exit - OK
Run Up Memory Map
tap menu>GPS>Setup
Manufacturere = NMEA
Port set to COM 6 or whatever you chose earlier
Baud 4800
Tap OK
Then show the unit the sky and wait !!!!
good luck

enterpryse said:
Has anyone got the GPS working with any 3rd party applications.
I am particularly wanting to get Memory Map working but can't find out how - must be missing something
Stuart
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Yes.
I use Pocket A-Z London maps and I just set the GPS to COM4/4800 baud in the "Setup ..." option in the A-Z Map program's Tools menu and, even on the very first cold start of the GPS and sitting on the arm of my sofa inside my apartment it still locked onto 8 satellites within about 2 minutes. I couldn't believe it. Truly impressive.
- Julian

it should work as tomtom too is a 3th party app

With me it's COM port 4 at baud rate 4800.
And in TomTom he locks onto 7 satellites within 10s...

It work perfect with Tomtom and the settings: Other NMEA, Comm4, and 4800. Unbelievable quick fix.

Good to hear Too bad it doesn't work with the "Built-in GPS" setting.
You may want to check Settings -> Communication -> GPS and see if the default GPS device is configured correctly.

Working flawlessly with tomtom. Just use QuickGPS first and you're set.

SabbeRubbish said:
Good to hear Too bad it doesn't work with the "Built-in GPS" setting.
You may want to check Settings -> Communication -> GPS and see if the default GPS device is configured correctly.
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Of course it works with the "Built-in GPS" setting.
The first time it will take a bit longer to get a fix. And you should run QuickFix first.

Has anyone tried to run 2 GPS applications at the same time? In particular, TomTom with another? On my old P3600 (now lost) I really wanted to run TomTom for navigation and Run.GPS for tracking, but the two would not co-exist, i.e. share the gps signal. I'm hoping the TC will be different, but fear not.

CompleteIdiot said:
Has anyone tried to run 2 GPS applications at the same time? In particular, TomTom with another? On my old P3600 (now lost) I really wanted to run TomTom for navigation and Run.GPS for tracking, but the two would not co-exist, i.e. share the gps signal. I'm hoping the TC will be different, but fear not.
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I used TomTom + TrackMe briefly as my batt was low and both seem to work fine.

CompleteIdiot said:
... On my old P3600 (now lost) ...
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How the hell can you lose a PDA?

SabbeRubbish said:
How the hell can you lose a PDA?
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The same as you lose a wallet, keys etc. Easy if you know how! In this case I dropped it off a ski lift

GPS works fines for me with with TomTom, Destinator, Pocket Navigator and Google Maps. I ve tried to have two apps at the same time (tomtom, pocketnavigator) and it works. Hope this helps.
P.S. I didn't change any of the default settings for the GPS.

Oh No! Another GPS thread

I've seen lots of people complaining about poor GPS performance - slow to lock, not finding many sats, lag, etc.
But I can't get anything at all from my Touch Pro. I've tried several radio roms, no difference, tweaking the registry settings, and programs called GPSID Settings, GPS Test, and HTC GPS Tool, all without any success.
I believe I should be able to use the HTC GPS Tool to debug, and see the actually serial output of the onboard GPS? But I can't even do that, whatever serial port I try to open I get the message "Failed to send NMEA command...". This suggests to me that the onboard GPS is not giving any response at all, rather than not being able to lock?
Can anyone confirm 100% what com port and baud I should be able to find the on board GPS with? Is there anything else I can try?
BTW, my external B/T GPS works fine with my touch pro, but it would be nice to have the onboard GPS working too.

TP GPS always uses COM4 and any baud (I've tried 4800 to 115200).
Your post is not a "thread" yet and I doubt it will be.
Just search the other threads.

a bit dettered when reading all these GPS problems. Once I've got mine I've had no problem at al besides it showing me a bit off the road in Google Maps. as far as for settings its always been the same COM4 Baud 4800

mike-b said:
I've seen lots of people complaining about poor GPS performance - slow to lock, not finding many sats, lag, etc.
But I can't get anything at all from my Touch Pro. I've tried several radio roms, no difference, tweaking the registry settings, and programs called GPSID Settings, GPS Test, and HTC GPS Tool, all without any success.
I believe I should be able to use the HTC GPS Tool to debug, and see the actually serial output of the onboard GPS? But I can't even do that, whatever serial port I try to open I get the message "Failed to send NMEA command...". This suggests to me that the onboard GPS is not giving any response at all, rather than not being able to lock?
Can anyone confirm 100% what com port and baud I should be able to find the on board GPS with? Is there anything else I can try?
BTW, my external B/T GPS works fine with my touch pro, but it would be nice to have the onboard GPS working too.
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The default com port is 4. Usually most GPS application should be able to detect it automatically.

NLS said:
TP GPS always uses COM4 and any baud (I've tried 4800 to 115200).
Your post is not a "thread" yet and I doubt it will be.
Just search the other threads.
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Sorry, I thought I did start a new thread, and I have searched - that's how I know about other people's GPS issues. But I haven't seen anyone else with the same problem as me yet.
I get nothing on COM4 at any baud rate.
TomTom says 'NO GPS Device'
HTC GPS Tool says "Failed to send NMEA command..." on COM4 (at all baud rates).
Google maps - when set to "Managed by Windows" just says Searching(0) and gives up after about 5 minutes.
When Google Maps is manually set to COM4 it says "Initialising.." in the top right corner then hangs, and then refuses to reload until I do a soft reset.
Is this what's supposed to happen?

No it's not.
You could have a hardware problem.

I had that issue after uninstalling google navigator 4 trial.Hard reset helped.

Also check Start > Settings > System > External GPS and make sure the Program Port is set to COM4, Hardware should be Port None and Baud at 4800 and Access tab should be checked to Manage GPS Automatically.

I have the "dreaded GPS lag" issue. I don't have this issue but I have found that my GPS is best with the Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25. I still have to wait sometimes upwards of 3 minutes for a lock sometimes when the sky is cloudy but it seems to work pretty well.
I suggest you try the following
1. Flash to the radio I mentioned above.
2. Go to Start/Settings/System/AGPS Settings
On the General tab, uncheck "Enable AGPS
On the privacy tab, select the following options:
1. Enable AGPS location information to network services. Operator can get your location information.
2. When send location info. to network services: Send postion info directly
3. Close confirmation message after: 10 second
3. Go to Start/Settings/System/External GPS and make the following changes:
On Programs tab: set GPS program port to: COM4
On Hardware tab: set GPS hardware port to: (None)
On Hardware tab: set Baud rate to: 4800
On access tab: check: Manage GPS Automatically (recommended)
4. Follow the instructions posted by omega01 here:
omega01 said:
A lot of people have problems with the TouchPro GPS especially for pedestrian use...
From stock the TP GPS is quite unsable in car especially with TomTom 7 and totally unusable for pedestrian use.
After 2 weeks of reading and testing tweaks, here are the results of my tests and the applied tweaks to enhance the GPS performance
A. With Advanced config 3.2 http://www.touchxperience.com/fr/ou...ads/9-advanced-configuration-tool-32-cab.html
1. disable A-GPS
2. disable GPS logging
3. logfile name must be empty
4. old logfile name must be empty
5. maximum size of logfile must be 0
6 delete the files : \windows\GPSLogFile.txt and \windows\GPSLogFileBack.txt
7. it seems that if TomTom is installed on a fast microSD decrease the lag(have to test to be sure)
With those changes car usage will be quite perfect
B. Then edit registry with TotalCommander http://ghisler.fileburst.com/ce/tcmdpocketarm.cab
Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\
- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)
- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)
- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, you have to create it)
Tests to be done with buffers at 256...seems to be a little better
Tests to be done with other PollInterval value...seems to "drain" battery
With those tweaks pedestrian usage will be much better but not perfect...I explain.
You have to walk for a least 250m in order to have a reposition with mouvement on the map (before that, speed is always 0km/h) and then if you continue to walk there is quite no lag...and the speed reflect reality
...BUT if you stops you have to walk again for a least 250m in order to have a reposition with mouvement on the map and then if you continue to walk there is quite no lag...
Very strange indeed...
I hope this will help people...please test and feedback.
PS : tests were done with
TomTom_Navigator_7.450.9028_R3_VGA_black_edition
GoogleMaps 2.2.0.16 -- http://www.google.be/gmm/GoogleMaps.CAB
GPSTuner 5.4 -- http://www.gpstuner.com/download/GPSTuner_v5.CAB
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If that doesn't help you get a better, if not good, lock with your Touch PRO then you have to have some kinda of hardware problem.
I have an HTC Fuze from USA AT&T activated on T-Mobile USA and I don't even have access to T-Mobile's AGPS Servers and my GPS locks are usually relatively quick.
Good luck!
Dan

dharvey4651 said:
I have the "dreaded GPS lag" issue. I don't have this issue but I have found that my GPS is best with the Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25. I still have to wait sometimes upwards of 3 minutes for a lock sometimes when the sky is cloudy but it seems to work pretty well.
I suggest you try the following
1. Flash to the radio I mentioned above.
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I've been using .25.25 radio for the last week, changed to 1.09.25.35 today, but no improvement.
dharvey4651 said:
2. Go to Start/Settings/System/AGPS Settings
On the General tab, uncheck "Enable AGPS
On the privacy tab, select the following options:
1. Enable AGPS location information to network services. Operator can get your location information.
2. When send location info. to network services: Send postion info directly
3. Close confirmation message after: 10 second
3. Go to Start/Settings/System/External GPS and make the following changes:
On Programs tab: set GPS program port to: COM4
On Hardware tab: set GPS hardware port to: (None)
On Hardware tab: set Baud rate to: 4800
On access tab: check: Manage GPS Automatically (recommended)
4. Follow the instructions posted by omega01 here:
If that doesn't help you get a better, if not good, lock with your Touch PRO then you have to have some kinda of hardware problem.
I have an HTC Fuze from USA AT&T activated on T-Mobile USA and I don't even have access to T-Mobile's AGPS Servers and my GPS locks are usually relatively quick.
Good luck!
Dan
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Rechecked all my settings, but they were all already as above. Still no joy. Only other possibility is that it's being crippled by the ROM I'm using - stock 1.90.206.4 WWE O2 UK variant, although no one else seems to be having the same problem. I am trying to avoid reflashing the main ROM, as it would take hours to get all my programs and settings back to how I want them. Maybe when the 2.0 firmware is released...
I guess it could be a hardware fault, but it seems a bit of a long shot. I really don't fancy my chances of trying to convince o2 that it's a hardware fault.

Try this...
1. Install and configure SecondToday to the left soft-key
2. Install HTC Home Plugin for VGA
3. Install GPSToday plugin and configure it to 5 minute manual-on
4. Go to Start/Settings/Personal/Today and disable all but TouchFlo 3D
5. On your new SecondToday, enable HTC Home and GPSToday
6. On HTC Home's Programs Tab, add your favorite GPS program(TomTom, Garmin, Google Maps, Etc...)
7. Start GPSToday by clicking on the little red box on the far left. It may take about 2 minutes on the first try(it's this way after every soft-reset) but after that it should be much faster. As soon as you are locked on to 4 or more satelites start your favorite GPS program that you added to the programs tab of HTC home.
If it works like it did for me, you should be set. I now get GPS locks in less than 10 seconds every "second time" since it takes about 2 mins after each soft-reset.
You can download all the files I mentioned above here:
http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Vogue/Users/dharvey/CABS/CAB FILES.rar
Good luck!!

mike-b said:
Maybe when the 2.0 firmware is released...
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IF you mean, not when

dharvey4651 said:
Try this...
1. Install and configure SecondToday to the left soft-key
2. Install HTC Home Plugin for VGA
3. Install GPSToday plugin and configure it to 5 minute manual-on
4. Go to Start/Settings/Personal/Today and disable all but TouchFlo 3D
5. On your new SecondToday, enable HTC Home and GPSToday
6. On HTC Home's Programs Tab, add your favorite GPS program(TomTom, Garmin, Google Maps, Etc...)
7. Start GPSToday by clicking on the little red box on the far left. It may take about 2 minutes on the first try(it's this way after every soft-reset) but after that it should be much faster. As soon as you are locked on to 4 or more satelites start your favorite GPS program that you added to the programs tab of HTC home.
If it works like it did for me, you should be set. I now get GPS locks in less than 10 seconds every "second time" since it takes about 2 mins after each soft-reset.
You can download all the files I mentioned above here:
http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Vogue/Users/dharvey/CABS/CAB FILES.rar
Good luck!!
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Thanks for that. I've given it a try and it doesn't get a lock or even see a single satellite for me. I assume the number in the green box that appears next to the satellite symbol is the number of satellites it can see? It never changes from 0 anyway.
I've never seen a single satellite with the onboard GPS, nevermind gotten a position locked. Beginning to think it's a hardware fault, or my phone got missed when they were putting the GPS in! Convincing O2 that there's a fault will be one thing, then I'll have to flash it back to stock, including the stock bootloader before I send it in.
NLS said:
IF you mean, not when
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That's why I put a string of dots on the end ot it...
Don't you think it's imminent, why would they release it for diamond and not touch pro?

I had the same problem for about 2 months, could never get a signal. It was solved when I changed ROM's. I actually tried like 7 ROM's and GPS didn't work in 6 of them. Once I tried RSW's ROM with updated GPS Drivers,,, I am able to always get a GPS signal now.
I do use 2 programs though.
1. QuickGPS to download GPS data.
2. Chartcross GPS Test to open my GPS Port.
Then I open up any GPS program and they all work. (Google Maps, Live Search, iGuidance)
COM Port should be COM4 obviously. When I've used a few GPS programs that "scanned" my phone, they all set the baud rate to 9600. You can't change the baud rate in Settings, but if you have to manually set your baud rate in your program, set it to 9600.

GPS reception significantly affected by case.
Just a FYI. I was a Fuze owner with significant problems with GPS. Could not get it to connect to anything for anything with anything. After trying everything I found on the forum I followed the instructions on this thread ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473481&highlight=lock. and got a lock in under ten minutes. Put my phone back in the case and could no longer get a lock. It then dawned on me that my aluminum case was interfering with the gps chip. Did a bunch of tests which confirmed the reception improved drastically outside the case. It doesn't seem to influence the radio reception however which I find a bit strange. Anyway. My gps works reasonably well and I think people will benefit from knowing something as simple as the choice of case could have something to do with their gps reception.

GPS "Your location within 1900 meters" ?? VZW TP2

Recently my Google Maps has not been able to lock in on my location closer than 1500 to 1900 meters. I have hard reset and reinstalled GMaps with no luck. I have seen tweaks for Sprint and TMo users and have read that most VZW users are having no problems locking in. Are there any tweaks that I can try for the VZW TP2?

there are numerous gps tweaks to change the cache settings if you search for them. also try using the program quickgps which comes with your phone it will download the closest satellite info. inside my building i cant lock on any sats but outside i can get between 8-9 and within 10 meters of my location

Make sure location is turned on.
If you do the quickgps program on the phone it will turn location on for you and download the closest satelites for you and you should get a lock in like 10 seconds when you are outside.
Unless you turn on location you will just get your general location with google maps, mine said within 2800 meters till I used QuickGPS.

I have duplicated your problem by unchecking the gps option after you open google maps and pressing menu and the down arrow. Make sure the location setting is on as prior post stated and then after you open google maps make sure gps is checked in the menu and it will say that it is searching for satellites.

also make sure you change your gps settings in google to com4 and a baud of 4800
you also have to re-enable the "use gps" after changing this

I was able to dublicate the problem aswell, by accedent >_<, anyway, make sure the location setting for google maps is selected.

confirming what others here are saying, that's pretty much what I experienced with GPS unchecked in the main right softkey menu. If you don't have that checked it's using cell antennas or wifi to approximate your position. "Menu" > "Use GPS" and it should work by default.

football0552 said:
also make sure you change your gps settings in google to com4 and a baud of 4800
you also have to re-enable the "use gps" after changing this
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Leaving it set to the "Managed by Windows" setting works just fine for me. No issues, and definitely use the Quick GPS program, it saves a headache. In fact im sitting on my couch in my appartment on the bottom of three floors built on the side of a hill with 2 sides of earth, and I have a strong 8 to 9 sats.

I just got my TP2 yesterday and one of the first things I did was install google maps and I was getting result like the title of this thread "within 1800 meters" and it could be a mile off. also the sats were not locking at all. I realized that my position was based on the tower that I was connected to. By the way the google maps on my VX6800 never used the towers to triangulate a position but the gps lock were much slower. Once I ran the quick GPS in the programs menu it turned on the GPS to the right setting and now I get an accurate lock even inside within seconds.

Go to settings-all settings-personal-phone-cdma services-location setting and make sure that it is set to "Location On". If not, you are not actually using the GPS. With that on and with QuickGPS doing it's thing, you will lock instantly.

I have a Verizon TP2 that is two weeks old. It does not have QUICK GPS! Oh yeah, and the gps does not locate.
Do I?
Return it?
Hard Reset? (sounds like a lot of work)
Get the file somewhere?
I have had it twice to Verizon. They have no suggestions but are happy to see the device and get their hands on it.
Leaning towards exchanging it for a new one.
JG

Google Map GPS

My Google map GPS is telling my position within a precision of 1300 metres, lil bit useless,no.... Is there something to do?

It's using the cell towers to give your position. In the menu, select "use GPS" and give it a moment to pick up the satellite.

...Also, locate and run Quick GPS. It will download latest satellite locations for quicker lock on.
As a side note, you will discover the Google Traffic very good, at least in metro areas (NY for me).

djeepi said:
My Google map GPS is telling my position within a precision of 1300 metres, lil bit useless,no.... Is there something to do?
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Those 2 post are correct, but you also have to go the GPS settings in google maps, and click manual. Set the com to COM 4 and put the baud rate to 4800. That is the presice settings, and Google Maps sometimes requires you to tell it specifically what the settings are. Once those are set, click on "Use GPS" again because anytime you change the GPS settings in Google Maps, it disables the "Use GPS" option on it. Hope these 3 post help.
PRBajista

PRBajista said:
Those 2 post are correct, but you also have to go the GPS settings in google maps, and click manual. Set the com to COM 4 and put the baud rate to 4800. That is the presice settings, and Google Maps sometimes requires you to tell it specifically what the settings are. Once those are set, click on "Use GPS" again because anytime you change the GPS settings in Google Maps, it disables the "Use GPS" option on it. Hope these 3 post help.
PRBajista
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I didn't have to change GPS settings in Google Maps for it to work properly for me, and it finds me 'within 20 meters'. I'm using MightyROM 11/10/09.

.mak said:
I didn't have to change GPS settings in Google Maps for it to work properly for me, and it finds me 'within 20 meters'. I'm using MightyROM 11/10/09.
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Thats good. Like I said, its not always necessary but when it doesnt lock or you get a large radius, sometimes it helps. Im on MightyRom also. At least until the BuildOS update with our TP2 roms comes out. Then Im cookin my own.
PRBajista 9:

I just went to:
Settings>All Settings>Personal>Phone>CDMA Services>Location Setting>GetSettings> Select LOCATION ON
And my google maps started picking up sats fine. dont know if that will work for you or not.