JF RC33 or LucidREM No Multi-Touch request - G1 Android Development

"RC33JF" vs. cupcake - does cupcake have multitouch built in?
I expect some are going to jump on me for asking a dumb question, but a search on this site, which I consider the finest knowledge base around on this topic, yielded mostly conversations around the fact that cupcake will support multitouch, but they don't mention if it is turned on out of the box. In other words, would we need Luke/JF's patch work as we did with RC30 for multitouch to work, or would it just work as it should.
With RC33 out and my confidence in JF that there will be a "RC33JF out within a week" and what appears to be a MUCH more usable cupcake image (as of 2/2, anyway), I am thinking hard about if I'd give up RC33 and Maps, Gmail, etc. and just use AndNav, K9, etc. and APK repositories to survive to get my A2DP bluetooth and full time virtual keyboard, and cupcake is looking more and more promising...

first off, multitouch only works in the browser. Im not sure if the current browser would work with the cupcake firmware. If it does then you could just push it to the phone using adb.

JF or LucidREM can one of you please please please make this image without the multi-touch hack in it. You don't know how much i would appreciate it and probably others. Its too weird to have it throughout the OS and there aren't any apps that can utilize it.
I have no use for the multi and don't like the quirky issues that come with it.
Again please please please and thank you! Your work IS appreciated greatly!

you are incorrect multi-touch effects apps other than the browser in 1.41

It may cause problems but it doesnt work properly. The app would have to be coded to work with the hack. I dont know of any apps that have been coded to work with this hack.

It's off by default. Just go into your browser settings and uncheck what you checked in the first place.

I don't know much about it (multi-touch) but if it's built into the OS and (allegedly?) leads to some quirks here and there (does it?) I don't understand how you can turn it off from the browser...
I'm sure there are a lot of us who don't care about multi-touch at this point, so I would agree with the OP that it would be nice to have the option of a modified RC33 *without* multi-touch.

I would like to add my request as well.
Its off by default in the browser but the kernel is still hacked to sense multi-touch which causes issues with certain apps. This is because the hack uses an existing field to sense the 2nd finger. So apps that actually use that field for legitimate purposes don't work correctly.

Pls add me to the requests for a no-multi-touch version.
It is my understanding that you can turn auto rotate on and off in the browser, but not multi-touch.

there are the highest chances that multi-touch wont be included in cupcake..that is in the original unmodified update..

kernel is still hacked to sense multi-touch which causes issues with certain apps
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Which apps are having issues? Somebody mentioned Steamy Windows in another thread... what other apps are having issues. I like the auto-rotate/multi-touch functionality in that order.

aukicadeso said:
Which apps are having issues? Somebody mentioned Steamy Windows in another thread... what other apps are having issues. I like the auto-rotate/multi-touch functionality in that order.
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I was having issues where my home screen would skip back and forth. I also had issues clicking the proper menu options/icons.
So yeah count my vote in too.

justanothercrowd said:
JF or LucidREM can one of you please please please make this image without the multi-touch hack in it. You don't know how much i would appreciate it and probably others. Its too weird to have it throughout the OS and there aren't any apps that can utilize it.
I have no use for the multi and don't like the quirky issues that come with it.
Again please please please and thank you! Your work IS appreciated greatly!
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OMG, how many threads are you going to post this in? I've counted about 4. If your steamy windows app doesn't work on JF v1.41, go back to non-rooted. I took a look at your past 15 posts, and it all relates to the multi-touch. Version 1.31 didn't have it, you could use that...
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Honestly, beggars can't be choosers.
If JF chooses to not implement this, I think it'd be a step back. You are all welcome to go back to 1.31 or even use the nonrooted version... or better yet, come out with your own version of root.
But, ultimately it's up to JF, and I really hope he doesn't waste his time making two separate versions of 1.33. Ofc, if you really want him to listen to you, don't be a beggar, and be a supporter.
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=1014600

If JF doesn't do it, someone else probably will... which is perfectly fine. Nobody is knocking JF if he won't do this.
I think people are just asking (kindly, I don't see anyone being a jerk about it honestly) for a "vanilla" RC33... As in, exactly as it came from Google except WITH root access added back in. No extra stuff, no recompiled kernel, no extra modules, nothing but root access added back in.

All of my posts are about it because it is the biggest issue with people in the 1.41 build.
The stock RAW image viewer does not work properly either...or cracked screen app....just becasue the apps that take advantage of the second field arent great right now doesnt mean that this isn't an issue. It could end up being a big issue since most dev's don't develop for hacked ROMS.
And for your info I have been running 1.31 for the past few days. I just don't want to see this hack pigeon hole users into not being able to use certain apps. I would like to be able to take advantage of future releases without having multi-touch.
Currently it is only a benefit in the browser and the stock zoom works much smoother, and in the rest of the OS it is a bother.
I will continue to voice my concern and it appears that quite a few others have the same concern.

justanothercrowd said:
All of my posts are about it because it is the biggest issue with people in the 1.41 build.
The stock RAW image viewer does not work properly either...or cracked screen app....just becasue the apps that take advantage of the second field arent great right now doesnt mean that this isn't an issue. It could end up being a big issue since most dev's don't develop for hacked ROMS.
And for your info I have been running 1.31 for the past few days. I just don't want to see this hack pigeon hole users into not being able to use certain apps. I would like to be able to take advantage of future releases without having multi-touch.
Currently it is only a benefit in the browser and the stock zoom works much smoother, and in the rest of the OS it is a bother.
I will continue to voice my concern and it appears that quite a few others have the same concern.
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Feel free to ask all you want. I think it might fall on deaf ears. The point I was trying to make, is that it's not necessary to post in 4-5 different threads. I think one thread would be sufficient enough...

I agree with justanothercrowd. I'm all for the multi-touch hack, but the fact that its using an existing documented field is an issue.

I believe if you search the threads JF has already answered this question or it has been at least brought up. The only problem that was really brought to light was the steamy app. Really I think this would be a huge hassle for JF who works for free to have to update two versions every time an update is to come out maybe a simple setting to turn it off would be easier and more likely.

a setting would be great. and im more than willing to contribute $$$ for the extra time spent. i would recompile my own but im not that savvy with the android platform yet.
any feedback jf?

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[Poll] - Multi-touch or Normal touch

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If you use FW JF version with multi-touch (JF1.4x) you will see these bug :
If you play some game, when you touch 2 fingers to the screen, the device understand that you touch 1 finger between 2 fingers
Because of it, when you use chompSMS, you will take mistake easily, sometime when using chompSMS soft keyboard, the screen vibrate longer and very inconvenience . I tried chompSMS on other phone use original FW of Google (without multi-touch) and chompSMS work perfect.
I sent some email to REM and JF to request an update without multi-touch, but they said it's not really need.
The multi-touch driver of lukehutch is not perfect. Thank for multi-touch and root phone, JF. But the multi-touch is not perfect and you should make an option to enable/disable it or make 2 update files : one comes with multi-touch and one without multi-touch.
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The multi-touch driver of lukehutch is not perfect. Thank for multi-touch and root phone, JF. But the multi-touch is not perfect and you should make an option to enable/disable it or make 2 update files : one comes with multi-touch and one without multi-touch.
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Are you seriously telling someone who dedicates his time on a volunteer basis what they should do? He is doing us all a favor, and he should do whatever he wants to, if you don't appreciate his work - don't use it.
Honestly, if you want a different ROM for your phone, because you aren't happy with the stock ROM or JF's ROM, either develop your own or find someone else to do it. But don't demand that JF does what you want him to.
Btw - the only onscreen keyboard I have used is in Steel, and it is just as accurate with the multi touch as it was before.
And, I for one love imperfect things, the world is full of them and life wouldn't exist as we know it if it were not for imperfections. So bring them on!
daveid said:
Are you seriously telling someone who dedicates his time on a volunteer basis what they should do? He is doing us all a favor, and he should do whatever he wants to, if you don't appreciate his work - don't use it.
Honestly, if you want a different ROM for your phone, because you aren't happy with the stock ROM or JF's ROM, either develop your own or find someone else to do it. But don't demand that JF does what you want him to.
Btw - the only onscreen keyboard I have used is in Steel, and it is just as accurate with the multi touch as it was before.
And, I for one love imperfect things, the world is full of them and life wouldn't exist as we know it if it were not for imperfections. So bring them on!
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Couldnt have said it any better myself, i have JFV.141RC33 W/ Multi-Touch and i have no problems using the onscreen keyboard or anything else for that matter. I think its just you OP.
This has already been addressed.
You can find the RC33 version without multi touch that I compiled here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480633
Please use the search function in the future.
daveid said:
Are you seriously telling someone who dedicates his time on a volunteer basis what they should do? He is doing us all a favor, and he should do whatever he wants to, if you don't appreciate his work - don't use it.
Honestly, if you want a different ROM for your phone, because you aren't happy with the stock ROM or JF's ROM, either develop your own or find someone else to do it. But don't demand that JF does what you want him to.
Btw - the only onscreen keyboard I have used is in Steel, and it is just as accurate with the multi touch as it was before.
And, I for one love imperfect things, the world is full of them and life wouldn't exist as we know it if it were not for imperfections. So bring them on!
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I agree. I have used ChompSMS and I don't have a problem. I also have played some of the free version of the games (from glu) and I don't have any problems with the multi-touch. There are a lot of things that we would certainly want improved upon with the G1 however the multi-touch is one of the enhancements that we want to KEEP not to lose. I would personally like to see MT on Map and in pictures. Even if someone was to disable it why would he/she go through the trouble? I can see if several people urged him/her to do so and perhaps that's your point and goal of this thread but at the moment all of us are working on making it BETTER... not original. Multi-touch is in fact something that makes it better and sets it apart from stock. Bottom line... there really is no need.
justanothercrowd said:
This has already been addressed.
You can find the RC33 version without multi touch that I compiled here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480633
Please use the search function in the future.
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Thank you very much. I search and didn't find. Thank you for the link.
i have been using chomp onscreen keyboard and have had zero problems.
multi-touch is da bomb.
There is no need for polls in a developement thread unlless you are a developer.
Thread will be locked.

New Cupcake, Original Frosting (Updated - 5/31/09 - 7:44PM EST)

Updates (twitter.com/TwistedUmbrella):
Remix Re-established Concept:
http://code.google.com/p/cupcake-frosting/
You can find previous updates and info there
Update 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CTGCPR4
Excellent idea! I was hoping someone would do this.
I'll load it up this morning and let you know if I see any issues!
Ahhh perfect, I was poking around to see what I would need to do to bring the multitouch browser to H (I already have the Voice Search and Dialer) and I find this. Thank's dude.
Hmmmm sounds tempting, but how does the speed compare to adp hr3?
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Hmmmm sounds tempting, but how does the speed compare to adp hr3?
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Not 100% sure, but this loads faster on mine. I "overclock" to slow to save battery haha but I didn't notice a difference running hr3. I've been going back and forth trying to get what I need. The blue lock screen overlay is actually the MAIN reason I am doing this. Stupid, huh?
Key factor may be that I DID update the radio.
I did leave out superuser, spare parts, and anything else that can be installed normally for those who don't want them. I change my mind about apps hourly so I try to keep default installs as clean as possible to avoid troublesome adb commands.
This sounds very intersting. Does it include the Exchange integration from the 5.0H build?
This is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for... soon as you get locked down which apps ur keeping, I'm on it.
Sounds great twisted. I'm in love with 5.0.2H because of the mail app and pdfviewer. Yesterday I stepped up to ADP1.5 and although it was fast, it's missing these key components that I use daily. I look forward to you app log.
This is really interesting. I can't wait to hear(read) thee results. Lol
vettejock99 said:
This sounds very intersting. Does it include the Exchange integration from the 5.0H build?
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It currently has the 5.0.2 exchange. I saw no point in taking it out. I don't use it but I know it's far easier to remove system components like that than it is to implement them once an update is installed.
So far I see no real difference in Gmail. Mail seems to crash for me in 1.5 with something about a Plus account - looks like 5.0.2 mail stays. Maps and Market will be updated because I see no reason not to.
Any thoughts on Gmail? Anyone see any updates worth having?
Can you put the H build camera in the build instead of the 1.5.3 camera? The HTC camera was far superior than the google implementation. That's all I can think of so far
ala380 said:
Can you put the H build camera in the build instead of the 1.5.3 camera? The HTC camera was far superior than the google implementation. That's all I can think of so far
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H camera crashed when using the camera button. The one I'm using is the one from the "add features to 5.0.xH" thread. Seems to be the most stable and all you really lose is zoom. Forgot to take out additional HTCAlbum, though. Planning to fix this and some other updates when I get back to my hideout. If I can remap the H camera button I will get that in there, but that takes a little longer than just swapping apks.
a2sd
is this version an as2d version?
jamesbui12 said:
is this version an as2d version?
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Please allow me time to obtain all the information I need (and the conmplimentary copy of Paragon) before I begin posting parallel versions for those of you that require a2sd. Until then I am taking the advice of a pm and adding in the black vk. It is "slick"
Please feel free to follow me on twitter at the same name. Much as I have followed the trend of making one for such an endeavor.
Please excuse the fact that I edit my posts almost immediately. I view them from my G1 and while the logic may be flawed, I find them cleaner when words do not hang loosely into additional lines.
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5.0.2hr5a-twisted:
Items From 5.0.2:
Messaging
Calendar
Contacts
Youtube (Temporarily)
Mail, Music, and Gmail
Widget Interface
Chinese Keyboard
Items From 1.5.3:
Multitouch Browser
VoiceSearch
VoiceDialer
Google Sync
Android Keyboard
Updated Camera
Updated Settings
Updated System
Updated Market
Updated Maps
This was for those, like me, that liked the original look and feel of the Haykuro 5 series builds and didn't want to miss out on the new features of the 1.5 series builds. My own firmware is very custom so no screenshots currently.
http://sharebee.com/1965e7ad
http://sharebee.com/c4919794
Please let me know if you test this and find any bugs. I know altering updates MAY cause items to crash when installed. I will fix them ASAP.
Currently in the process of checking out Dude's Cupcake to see if anything in there might improve the build.
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any chance you could add the launcher in from here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507244 Or does this now not have the problem when you slide out the keybord? Because im currently running an old version of this rom i think? I had to install G keybord my self so.. Almost deff :L lol, Oh dont meen to be fussy but ayway you you edit the title of the thread whenever you update? only this seems a very intrsting build as i tooo love the HTC look and dont wanna loose the feel exactly cheers for your work dude
everything seems to work. not seeing the multi-touch...suppose to be there right. not a big deal, just testing out the version.
How is this going?
Still developing the build?
Looks great, and appears to fit me perfectly!
However, what is the difference between the two builds that you link to in your first post?
Is the 5.0.2hr5-twisted.zip the normal version, while the 5.0.2hr5a-twisted.zip is the Apps2SD version?
Zappza said:
How is this going?
Still developing the build?
Looks great, and appears to fit me perfectly!
However, what is the difference between the two builds that you link to in your first post?
Is the 5.0.2hr5-twisted.zip the normal version, while the 5.0.2hr5a-twisted.zip is the Apps2SD version?
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Sorry apps2sd is still coming. Having technical difficulties with getting both my G1 and computer to recognize the same partitions. The new version has the Andreoid keyboard included along with updates to youtube, maps, and market. The slider problem still exists for a day or two. Wanted to get the new market in place because I isolated the market download issue to have been cooperation between market and launcher. Now that the new market accepts downloads I can fix launcher. Expect updates tomorrow. I have a 4-hour block of boredom. Hehe.
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everything seems to work. not seeing the multi-touch...suppose to be there right. not a big deal, just testing out the version.
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Still isolating libs and such. JesusFreke redid the kernel so the program alone was not enough. Didn't think that far ahead when I was throwing parts together. I'm learning as I tear apart the 7 builds on my desktop. I just have to teach myself as I go.
Open source never meant well-documented.
Plans are in the works to go backwards from the HTC build, but like most others I need something to default back to when I'm not testing. Building this version was first priority with that being my next step. That is when the speed increases will occur with some new features. Can't say I'm not a dreamer, right?
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Sorry apps2sd is still coming. Having technical difficulties with getting both my G1 and computer to recognize the same partitions. The new version has the Andreoid keyboard included along with updates to youtube, maps, and market. The slider problem still exists for a day or two. Wanted to get the new market in place because I isolated the market download issue to have been cooperation between market and launcher. Now that the new market accepts downloads I can fix launcher. Expect updates tomorrow. I have a 4-hour block of boredom. Hehe.
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Beautiful!
I love your work!

What capabilities do I lose in rooted RC33?

I recently got a G1 (USA, T-Mobile), and it's currently running RC33. I have spent many hours reading this thread about how to root Android and then load a rooted RC33 image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
I'm well aware of all the advantages of rooting, but before I decide to take the plunge, I want to make sure that I also understand any disadvantages. Within that thread and others I've seen a few mentions of capabilities that don't currently carry over into the rooted RC33 image (the JF image), but unless I missed something, I couldn't find any discussion where all of these compromised capabilities are clearly enumerated.
Under the assumption that such a list doesn't exist, I'd like to start one here. I emphasize that I'm aware of the capabilites that are gained by rooting, and I'm wanting to know whether any of the following features might be missing or compromised under the JF RC33 rooted image:
Telephone-call features
Normal calling and receipt of calls
Voice dialing
Call forwarding
Other
Email sending and receiving
Contacts management
Synching
Notification features
Notification of incoming calls
Notification of incoming SMS/MMS
Notification of incoming email
Notification of alarms
Control of ringing/vibrating/silent notification capabilities for all apps
Camera
All normal features
Calendar
All normal features
Browsing
Normal browsing features
Networking
Edge
3G
WiFi
Multimedia
Playing/recording music
Playing videos
Viewing images
GPS
All normal GPS functions
Maps application
Other capabilities
Thank you very much in advance.
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I don't think you loose any of this. Only chatting with MSN will be removed and some T-Mobile specific things like MyFaves. But you can do without that, i guess..
Thank you very much.
Actually, losing the capability to connect to MSN is a positive feature, as far as I'm concerned!
What about other IM providers?
Also, I'm a little unclear as to which G1 features are T-Mobile-specific. Besides Myfaves, are there any other things that are provided by T-Mobile that I might lose in a rooted RC33?
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I don't think you loose any of this. Only chatting with MSN will be removed and some T-Mobile specific things like MyFaves. But you can do without that, i guess..
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This is not correct. JF's RC33 image still has MSN chatting and MyFaves. It has everything the normal RC33 image has but adds root.
JF's ADP1.1 and ADP1.5 ROMs are another matter. Since those are based on the Android Developer Phone, which is not a T-mobile product, you lost T-mobile-specific apps like MSN chat and MyFaves.
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I recently got a G1 (USA, T-Mobile), and it's currently running RC33. I have spent many hours reading this thread about how to root Android and then load a rooted RC33 image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
I'm well aware of all the advantages of rooting, but before I decide to take the plunge, I want to make sure that I also understand any disadvantages. Within that thread and others I've seen a few mentions of capabilities that don't currently carry over into the rooted RC33 image (the JF image), but unless I missed something, I couldn't find any discussion where all of these compromised capabilities are clearly enumerated.
Under the assumption that such a list doesn't exist, I'd like to start one here. I emphasize that I'm aware of the capabilites that are gained by rooting, and I'm wanting to know whether any of the following features might be missing or compromised under the JF RC33 rooted image:
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the only thing you lose is the ability to update over the air (OTA)
Thanks to all of you.
I now feel encouraged, and I think I'm going to dive into the world of rooting later today or tomorrow.
Excelsior! ("Onward and upward!")
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Your question was about JF RC33, but if you're going to do it, I highly recommend you go with JF1.5 or one of the other Android 1.5 (Cupcake) based builds. They're much newer and have new features and bug fixes. If you go with one of those builds you WILL lose MSN chat, Yahoo chat, and Myfaves, but I don't miss them.
If you find it that ADP 1.5 or JF RC33 update is not good enough, you can always go back to the original RC29 and do it all over again.
Oh, OK. Now I understand. Thanks.
Another question: do I lose all IM capabilities in JF1.5, or just specifically MSN chat and Yahoo chat? I'd like to still use Google Talk.
Also, is Myfaves the only T-Mobile-specific app on the phone? I couldn't care less about it, but I'd hate to lose something else from T-Mobile which might be important.
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You'll still have Google Talk. One T-mobile app not previously mentioned is Amazon Marketplace (for purchasing MP3s). You lose that also (I've never used it). That's all of them.
This is great! All the apps I'll lose are the ones I want to lose.
Thanks again.
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HippoMan said:
Oh, OK. Now I understand. Thanks.
Another question: do I lose all IM capabilities in JF1.5, or just specifically MSN chat and Yahoo chat? I'd like to still use Google Talk.
Also, is Myfaves the only T-Mobile-specific app on the phone? I couldn't care less about it, but I'd hate to lose something else from T-Mobile which might be important.
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Google talk is functional in all builds.
You will loose MyFaves app if you flash anything but R33. MyFaves are still manageble from T-mobile's website. I would agree with previous poster: only use R33 (root or no root)on T-mobile network or you may end up paying some hefty SMS charges as MyFaves app will try to contact servers once every 2-5 minutes.
Any 1.5 google builds (JF, Haykuro or Dude) are good choice, they are all stable, include Google Talk and no MyFaves (app that is). JF's rom has the more themes available at the moment but that will most likely change in few days.
Good Luck
You can install amazonmp3 seperatly. Done this on my ADP 1.5 JF.
maxisma said:
You can install amazonmp3 seperatly. Done this on my ADP 1.5 JF.
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I thought I remembered that, but I didn't want to say so since I haven't done it myself.
Thanks again to all for your helpful and reassuring feedback.
Just want you all to know that I rooted my G1, and now it's working fine with the RC33 image ... and I'm very happy with the results!
I'll do the 1.5 installation some time in the future.
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BTW... for 1.5 builds the built in camera app is MUCH better than in RC33. The shutter works a lot faster, like a whole lot faster. The camcorder is the bomb. The radio update really helped the connection speed of GPS... a lot. Finally the battery drains slower in the 1.5 builds. I noticed a significant difference when I went from RC33 to Dude's. The build is very stable and navigating around the phone works quicker. Why wait to flash 1.5?
i can agree with that!
i've flashed to JF's 1.5, battery drains slower, system and gps is faster....great build!
i love those widgets (weather, calendar and notices)
dont wait to flash to an 1.5 release.
greetz from germany
Actually, you only gain from rooting your phone, it's the build you install afterwards that effects what apps you may lose. It is definitely worth the loss of the Tmobile apps to get any of the 1.5 builds, though beware that many market apps are not yet configured to work with 1.5. This is not the build dev's fault, but the app dev's fault. Lately, more and more apps are becoming 1.5 friendly since the OTA is finally upon us.

[ROM] 28002 6.5.3 SPL3.7 Beta 08/12/09

Before you flash:
understand the risks, ideally have flashed roms before, have hspl and spl 3.7, maybe not ideal for people who use it daily as a first or only device due to possibilities of things not working straight out of the box.
New Download:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/tqivt9[/url]
A lot of changes addressed, I believe there may still be issues with the camera though
***Please note this is a test build(not Tested) do not complain if you brick your device, I welcome feedback good or bad but please respect the amount of time it takes me to cook these ROMS, if something doesnt work be patient as I have a full time job and a family that come first***
hey guys come on you don't want a wm6.5 rom with latest build??
hurryyyy
saied 1 said:
hey guys come on you don't want a wm6.5 rom with latest build??
hurryyyy
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If there is no interest I will still build one for you 2 to test, and we can see where we go from there. Hopefully have something for you for tonight or tomorrow depending if I can sort out the problems with my kitchen
Hello I would be a tester but the problem is I don't have a original WM6.1 Dutch rom so I can't reverse to original if i want to.
I heard HTC wil come with an update when this happens it is possible for me to test roms till then i will stick to the original rom.
got experience of rom flashing with wizzard, Iphone and a MIO A701.
greetings
Oebele63
Maybe I Can be a backup tester
I plan to flash in the next few days, but I'm not experienced with this. But I have read up on the subject for some time now so I've read about the things which go wrong from time to time and I'm aware of the risks. Be glad to help out though, i'm sick of my beloved x7510 being so sluggish
I will be your tester. Hope your rom work well
Just flash your lastest build rom. Your Roms is not for X7510. The flash errors occurs
thanhlonely said:
Just flash your lastest build rom. Your Roms is not for X7510. The flash errors occurs
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thats because you have flashed the clearly marked for x7500 not x7510, i will be cooking an x7510 build tnight or tomorrow and releasing to the people who expressed interest in beta testing, either you have misread my post here or not understood and i would advise you to wait for a release or your device
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thats because you have flashed the clearly marked for x7500 not x7510, i will be cooking an x7510 build tnight or tomorrow and releasing to the people who expressed interest in beta testing, either you have misread my post here or not understood and i would advise you to wait for a release or your device
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Heck yes I still want the ROM!! I'm always interested and once we work out the bugs, I'm sure everyone will be on board. I'm willing to help out wherever I can with this and if it means walking me through the kitchen and creating the .nbh then I'm game still.
Just my two cents...lol
will try and put a beta together when i get home from work probably be around 1am gmt, will pm download link to beta testers and update here and twitter when its up
Its done Beta1.01, links to download sent to selected beta testers, please do not publicly post download link until tested fully and I release a version for general release, feel free to post feedback here.
BETA testers, make sure you are on SPL3.5!!!!!
Try out as much as you can and then report back any issues etc, please try not to request things that are available via cab install as its not worth me installing specific software etc at the cost of module space in the native kernel. This rom should be very quick due to modifications to the space used in slot 0 of the native 6.1 memory kernel(0 modules). Also please be aware that some issues may be down to me using a leaked beta from MS and I may not be able to change some things.
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I didn't receive any links to download Beta1.01. So you didn't choose me, did you?
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6.5 Beta Issues:
1. The memory allocation sucks badly. Only 30mb left for program memory. This is a problem for running other programs or simutanious ones. There also appears to be a memory leak because the memory is going down slowly. A soft reset takes care of this for a little time.
2. Audible manager does not work. My personal feeling is take it out, never use it anyway.
3. Some of the icons do not render well. I would be more than happy to create a couple for you to insert in there place: Comm Manager, Clear Storage, Backlight and others. Not smooth on the edges.
4. G sensor works well, but again, not really a use for it. I would add it as an extra .cab to install for an additional cab package.
5. Real VGA - Another personal preference. Although I don't mind it being there.
6. VueFlo - Really? Wow, haven't seen that in a while and haven't tried it yet.
7. The Calculator wants to be in portrait mode at all times. Not a big issue, but I usually never use my device in portrait mode.
8. The ROM is fast, actually blazin fast for 6.5. I'm still trying to get use to the bottom bar but I do believe I'm stuck on 6.5 now. Very stable rom and runs without any hiccups.
9. SMS text received. When you click on notification and it opens the sms, it doesn't mark it as read. You have to click on it or scroll up onto it with the arrow keys for it to appear read and then no new messages waiting to be read.
10. The dialer....strange. I don't know if you have added a new one or if it is a component of the new 6.5. It does not render properly in portrait mode and the names/numbers on the left of the dial pad is very annoying. You cannot read the full name of the contact that comes up. The dial pad is not all the way on the screen. You can see the right numbers are a little off the screen.
11. Quickmenu - Don't understand why that was incorporated. The x doesn't close even though quickmenu is set up to close it.
12. While in the sms/text screen to read or create a text, when the phone rings, the caller id does not pop up. That is a bad one for me. I like to see who is calling before I answer...lol.
13. The Comm Manager isn't the normal one. I understand the quickness of it, but I prefer the original style. No issues with bluetooth or connection to the internet via media net.
I do believe that is it right now. I would literally call it a RC version. You did a great job, but like I said, the memory consumption is to much/great to be used heavily. I'll look forward to your next release.
New Release post 1, changes
Just about right said:
6.5 Beta Issues:
1. The memory allocation sucks badly. Only 30mb left for program memory. This is a problem for running other programs or simutanious ones. There also appears to be a memory leak because the memory is going down slowly. A soft reset takes care of this for a little time.
Hopefully this release will be better have removed a lot of unused packages
2. Audible manager does not work. My personal feeling is take it out, never use it anyway.
Removed
3. Some of the icons do not render well. I would be more than happy to create a couple for you to insert in there place: Comm Manager, Clear Storage, Backlight and others. Not smooth on the edges.
I dont do graphics so any help would be appriciated
4. G sensor works well, but again, not really a use for it. I would add it as an extra .cab to install for an additional cab package.
This has been left in unless I get more requests for removal as I do not have a cab
5. Real VGA - Another personal preference. Although I don't mind it being there.
This has been left in unless I get more requests for removal as I do not have a cab
6. VueFlo - Really? Wow, haven't seen that in a while and haven't tried it yet.
This in the dump from the original rom, I will remove at some point but involves digging into OEM files, will do this when closer to full release
7. The Calculator wants to be in portrait mode at all times. Not a big issue, but I usually never use my device in portrait mode.
Think I removed this calc but not sure now
8. The ROM is fast, actually blazin fast for 6.5. I'm still trying to get use to the bottom bar but I do believe I'm stuck on 6.5 now. Very stable rom and runs without any hiccups.
I recmod a lot of modules meaning that memory slot0 has zero modules in leaving it free for just the device kernel
9. SMS text received. When you click on notification and it opens the sms, it doesn't mark it as read. You have to click on it or scroll up onto it with the arrow keys for it to appear read and then no new messages waiting to be read.
Maybe a feature of 6.5 **not addressed in this build**
10. The dialer....strange. I don't know if you have added a new one or if it is a component of the new 6.5. It does not render properly in portrait mode and the names/numbers on the left of the dial pad is very annoying. You cannot read the full name of the contact that comes up. The dial pad is not all the way on the screen. You can see the right numbers are a little off the screen.
**possibly due to the build having the bigger bottom taskbar, cant remember if I included advanced config, if I did disable the phone skin, if not search for advanced config and disable**
11. Quickmenu - Don't understand why that was incorporated. The x doesn't close even though quickmenu is set up to close it.
**Removed I think**
12. While in the sms/text screen to read or create a text, when the phone rings, the caller id does not pop up. That is a bad one for me. I like to see who is calling before I answer...lol.
**Not address yet, but may be fixed through other changes, please report back**
13. The Comm Manager isn't the normal one. I understand the quickness of it, but I prefer the original style. No issues with bluetooth or connection to the internet via media net.
**Removed, back to original**
I do believe that is it right now. I would literally call it a RC version. You did a great job, but like I said, the memory consumption is to much/great to be used heavily. I'll look forward to your next release.
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I appreciate the fixes and await the release for download and install. I did do some research and the 0409 and other res are an integral part of the new 6.5. I found this weird because of the consumption it takes up in windows, but what do you do. Let me know what size icons you need and I'll fix the ones up and shoot them over to you. If it comes down to it, I'll strip the original and replace it with a doctored up one.
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I appreciate the fixes and await the release for download and install. I did do some research and the 0409 and other res are an integral part of the new 6.5. I found this weird because of the consumption it takes up in windows, but what do you do. Let me know what size icons you need and I'll fix the ones up and shoot them over to you. If it comes down to it, I'll strip the original and replace it with a doctored up one.
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Download was added to first post last night
No-one tried it?
Hi Mate,
I'm downloading now and wil let you know in a few days how I got on. Thanks for the ROM (beta or not, this is progress!)
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Hi Mate,
I'm downloading now and wil let you know in a few days how I got on. Thanks for the ROM (beta or not, this is progress!)
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If you could let me know if it boots etc as I dont have an x7510 to test with, many thanks

[Q] Miktouch and Bulletproof -- differences?

Greetings. I just picked up a used MT4GS because I had to have a hwkbd and want to get it into top fighting condition. I've read through the posts on Bulletproof and MikTouch ROMs and am trying to understand what the real differences are. I'd appreciate any comments on features that one has that the other doesn't.
So far i have been able to determine:
In MikTouch, the screen capture is broken
This is my first Android phone, so i'm lacking context to understand a lot of the descriptions of changes.
Thanks
This phone is an oldie but a goodie, and welcome to the board.
I just came off of miktouch, which is a clean sense experience, but I was getting reboots on this ROM (don't know why, could have been a problem on my end). My understanding is the miktouch is slightly newer than bulletproof, and is based on a newer HTC firmware (this is for the version 0.7 miktouch, which is the most recent and the one you want to use).
If you need sense, then I think this is a good rom, but probably either one is good. They are both widely reported as stable, so I am not sure if my own experience regarding reboots is just a rare exception.
If you are not committed to the sense framework, I highly recommend scverhagen's CM9.1, which is very solid in my experience. I have used v12 for at least a month, and v13 came out yesterday, and is so far (knock wood) rock solid.
There are quite a few CM10.X variations available, and I've tried several. In my experience (and on my device) they are not as completely rock solid as the CM9.1, which is the only reason I am not using one as a DD. That said, they are quite mature, and are in wide use by many who want to be on the later CM versions.
nosuchfile said:
If you are not committed to the sense framework, I highly recommend scverhagen's CM9.1, which is very solid in my experience. I have used v12 for at least a month, and v13 came out yesterday, and is so far (knock wood) rock solid.
There are quite a few CM10.X variations available, and I've tried several. In my experience (and on my device) they are not as completely rock solid as the CM9.1, which is the only reason I am not using one as a DD. That said, they are quite mature, and are in wide use by many who want to be on the later CM versions.
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Thanks for your comments. Having almost no experience with Android, i don't really know if i object to the Sense overlay or not. I have read that losing Sense loses a lot of the capabilities of the camera, and the camera is the other reason i got this phone (with the keyboard).
Anyway, i just finished unlocking the phone now. Did you get S-Off on yours?
Flandry said:
Thanks for your comments. Having almost no experience with Android, i don't really know if i object to the Sense overlay or not. I have read that losing Sense loses a lot of the capabilities of the camera, and the camera is the other reason i got this phone (with the keyboard).
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I believe that was once true, but I think most of the camera issues have since been solved. I don't use the high end functions of the camera much. I think also there were some problems with 1080p video, which have also since been solved.
The CM roms are based off of the google android base code, and so they are able to work with certain apps that may not work with the version on which both bulletproof and miktouch are based, which is version gingerbread, android 2.3. CM 9.1 is based on android 4.0 (icecream sandwich). and CM 10.X is based on android 4.1-4.3. Chrome browser requires min android 4.0, and is probably the best browser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
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Anyway, i just finished unlocking the phone now. Did you get S-Off on yours?
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Yes, I did S-off mine. There is a post that describes the procedure using a wire to short between a spare uSD card and a very small hole at a precise time. The S-off is somewhat handy as it eliminates one step in flashing ROMs, namely, extracting a file from the ROM and separately flashing that single file (using fastboot) after flashing the ROM itself the 'normal' way, but is not necessary, and I would not suggest it as it is kind of tricky (but if you feel lucky...). I think it took me around 20 tries to finally get it right.
Hope this helps, and I would suggest starting with CM 9.1, as it will give you a more 'pure' android experience. Although some do like the Sense overlay, I don't care for it, and it is a lot less customizable.
Yes, the original sense camera produced excellent photos and videos, especially in low light, which I've never matched with others since. One person (can't remember who) who used later ROMs on a daily basis said he used to swap back to sense whenever he wanted to use the camera at a particular event. So I guess that's another option for you. For me, I've stuck mainly with CM9.1 for daily use (camera wasn't central to my 'buy' decision), and dabbled with other ROMs evenings and weekends.
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Yes, the original sense camera produced excellent photos and videos, especially in low light, which I've never matched with others since. One person (can't remember who) who used later ROMs on a daily basis said he used to swap back to sense whenever he wanted to use the camera at a particular event. So I guess that's another option for you. For me, I've stuck mainly with CM9.1 for daily use (camera wasn't central to my 'buy' decision), and dabbled with other ROMs evenings and weekends.
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Thank you. I actually did a simple comparison (talk.maemo .org /showpost.php?p=1378114&postcount=27) between the camera and my previous phone's camera to see which handled low light better, and my results agree with your experience. This is a pretty high priority for me.
I think your comments confirm for me that i do want to stick with GB + Sense for now. That brings me back to the OP though. From reading through the threads for the respective ROMs i think i have another difference:
* Bulletproof has a more colorful customized theme/paradigm.
* Bulletproof has some geeky utilities like bash shell and nano editor
Still wondering about substantive differences. I'll probably flash Bulletproof unless i hear of any disadvantages of it relative to Miktouch.
Edit: meh can't post links blah blah.
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... For an updated version, try the Miktouch ROM. It is based on the last HTC stock ROM, 1.63.531.2 and thus has a bit better performance in several key areas (GPS, Bluetooth, WiFi) and has more updated tweaks, as well. Bulletproof is based on the original stock ROM.
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As a long time Bulletproof user and probably the biggest Bulletproof cheerleader from day one, I will agree that the MikTouch ROM is a smoother experience.
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Hmm i thought that the fixes had gotten incorporated in Bulletproof in the later revision (1.1). :/
From what I read on another forum, Bloater is no longer being developed or supported.
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This may be a problem because i need e.g. Exchange Mail and i read that it's been removed in the custom ROMs.
Well i've used clockworkmod recovery to make a nandroid of the stock system and have flashed Bulletproof 1.1 and the UV5 undervolting kernel. I'll see if it can be made to do what i want/need. Kudos to WeekendsR2Short for archiving the files so they are still available and to the hackers who put the ROM together.
I'm still looking for comments on current, real differences between the two ROMs, particularly from those in the know about whether there are meaningful differences in performance due to the origin of each. I would expect the fixes that went into the later stock ROMs also could be incorporated into Bulletproof, regardless of whether it was based on that ROM, but were they? I see guides from Blue6 on tweaks for network performance and GPS performance, so it seems he was aware of the issues.
Edit: I don't have working wifi so i'm guessing a custom kernel is a no go without S-off. That's what i thought but then i couldn't understand how people can run ICS without S-off. Obviously my assumptions are wrong somewhere... I'll reflash the boot image from Bulletproof 1.1.
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Well i've used clockworkmod recovery to make a nandroid of the stock system and have flashed Bulletproof 1.1 and the UV5 undervolting kernel. I'll see if it can be made to do what i want/need. Kudos to WeekendsR2Short for archiving the files so they are still available and to the hackers who put the ROM together.
I'm still looking for comments on current, real differences between the two ROMs, particularly from those in the know about whether there are meaningful differences in performance due to the origin of each. I would expect the fixes that went into the later stock ROMs also could be incorporated into Bulletproof, regardless of whether it was based on that ROM, but were they? I see guides from Blue6 on tweaks for network performance and GPS performance, so it seems he was aware of the issues.
Edit: I don't have working wifi so i'm guessing a custom kernel is a no go without S-off. That's what i thought but then i couldn't understand how people can run ICS without S-off. Obviously my assumptions are wrong somewhere... I'll reflash the boot image from Bulletproof 1.1.
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Bulletproof 1.1 is still based on the original stock ROM (1.28), whereas Miktouch is based on the 1.63 release. In the 1.63 release, HTC made some major improvements in GPS, Bluetooth, and overall smoothness of the ROM as well as closed some security issues. Miktouch retains all the base stuff, including the Genius subsystem. By default, however, the Genius button has been remapped to do search, but there is a small patch that can be applied to revert the mapping back to the Genius function.
I've tried Bulletproof and though it is very stable, I still prefer Miktouch. It just seems more "fluid", especially with the patches like Liquidsmooth Rosie, and No-scrolling Cache. I also like the CM9.1 version from sverhagen, now on r13 release. It is very stable and works very well.
But, as others have stated, if the camera is very important, only the stock-based ROMs like Miktouch are going to give you 100% of what this phone can do. That's because HTC put a lot of the control of the image processor directly into the Sense framework, which of course is lacking in other ROMs. Other ROMs can access basic functions and do processing using the CPU, but cannot access some of the higher functions of the dedicated image processor. The CM9.1 camera is good, but if you look at photos side-by-side with those taken with Miktouch, for instance, you can see a difference in depth of field, exposure, lighting, compression. It is subtle, but visible. Most people probably would not care or even notice, so it is a personal choice.
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Bulletproof 1.1 is still based on the original stock ROM (1.28), whereas Miktouch is based on the 1.63 release. In the 1.63 release, HTC made some major improvements in GPS, Bluetooth, and overall smoothness of the ROM as well as closed some security issues. Miktouch retains all the base stuff, including the Genius subsystem. By default, however, the Genius button has been remapped to do search, but there is a small patch that can be applied to revert the mapping back to the Genius function.
I've tried Bulletproof and though it is very stable, I still prefer Miktouch. It just seems more "fluid", especially with the patches like Liquidsmooth Rosie, and No-scrolling Cache. I also like the CM9.1 version from sverhagen, now on r13 release. It is very stable and works very well.
But, as others have stated, if the camera is very important, only the stock-based ROMs like Miktouch are going to give you 100% of what this phone can do. That's because HTC put a lot of the control of the image processor directly into the Sense framework, which of course is lacking in other ROMs. Other ROMs can access basic functions and do processing using the CPU, but cannot access some of the higher functions of the dedicated image processor. The CM9.1 camera is good, but if you look at photos side-by-side with those taken with Miktouch, for instance, you can see a difference in depth of field, exposure, lighting, compression. It is subtle, but visible. Most people probably would not care or even notice, so it is a personal choice.
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Best description of the differences between Miktouch and Bulletproof I've read on the XDA forums! :good:
Thanks
Fuzi0719 said:
Bulletproof 1.1 is still based on the original stock ROM (1.28), whereas Miktouch is based on the 1.63 release. In the 1.63 release, HTC made some major improvements in GPS, Bluetooth, and overall smoothness of the ROM as well as closed some security issues. Miktouch retains all the base stuff, including the Genius subsystem. By default, however, the Genius button has been remapped to do search, but there is a small patch that can be applied to revert the mapping back to the Genius function.
I've tried Bulletproof and though it is very stable, I still prefer Miktouch. It just seems more "fluid", especially with the patches like Liquidsmooth Rosie, and No-scrolling Cache. I also like the CM9.1 version from sverhagen, now on r13 release. It is very stable and works very well.
But, as others have stated, if the camera is very important, only the stock-based ROMs like Miktouch are going to give you 100% of what this phone can do. That's because HTC put a lot of the control of the image processor directly into the Sense framework, which of course is lacking in other ROMs. Other ROMs can access basic functions and do processing using the CPU, but cannot access some of the higher functions of the dedicated image processor. The CM9.1 camera is good, but if you look at photos side-by-side with those taken with Miktouch, for instance, you can see a difference in depth of field, exposure, lighting, compression. It is subtle, but visible. Most people probably would not care or even notice, so it is a personal choice.
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Thanks, that's a very useful summary.
OT:
I flashed the MikTouch 0.7 ROM and most of the patches that you uploaded in its thread. What difference do you see with the MikTouch-No-Scrolling-Cache patch? From my understanding of scrolling caches, disabling them would make it less smooth rather than more.
Answering my own question (OP):
Now that i have flashed both ROMs i can mostly answer my own question about the differences. As i had guessed from my reading, Bulletproof is a more complete or thorough mod. It provides some nice options for the quick settings and the status icons that sit at the top right. It has cut out most of the extra apps, and hidden the Kid's Zone icon. It has a custom theme and keeps the other themes.
A brief play with some network access suggests that MikTouch may be smoother more optimized due to its more updated origins. On the other hand, it feels less cohesive and polished.
It might be summed up by saying that, in terms of visible modifications, Bulletproof goes overboard, while MikTouch isn't quite enough.
So if Bulletproof were based on the latest stock ROM and wasn't missing a couple "bloatware" features that i want to keep, i would reflash it now. Because it's not, i'll give MikTouch a go for a while.
I'm trying to establish, as much as possible, the functionality my Maemo device had. I'm going to post my progress here for any to whom it might be useful.
notes
I've copied my Conboy notes to Tomdroid, but the ancient stable version doesn't support editing and the beta version (0.7.2) corrupts notes with bulleted lists. I really liked Conboy, so i hope the devs can get things sorted. Development seems to be really slow, which surprises me considering the popularity of Tomboy.
terminal
I encountered the hilarious problem with Terminal Emulator that others have: the forward slash key (of all things) only produces tildes, making the hwkb completely useless for terminal work. Someone suggested a Connectbot connection to local, and that versatile little app seems like a little slice of home coming from a linux environment. You can put an icon on your desktop that will open you right to that connection, too.
I'm still trying to figure out the best way to modify my keyboard mapping. I'd like to make the www. a Tab and repurpose the android keys and extra (right) shift, perhaps as arrows and a CTRL. The spacebar is also obnoxiously out of reach so i might move it to the Back key. Fortunately, Connectbot has some sensible workarounds that make these changes less urgent.
I have the latest ES File Explorer but the locked down nature of Android seems to make any kind of file system activities hopelessly complicated compared with a more conventional linux system. I was trying to install this nano editor binary but am not sure if remounting root R/W and unzipping it to / is going to cause issues.
spreadsheet
I've been using gnumeric on my N900. TBD
e-reader
FB Reader and PDF reader on the N900. TBD
offline maps
Used Modrana and Navit on N900. Both have strengths and weaknesses. TBD
misc.
It's nice that Flashlight is pre-loaded but i can't see any way to leave it on while i do something else on the phone. I think the custom setting in the quick settings of Bulletproof could do that. :/ It is a nice bright flash we have here.
The stock camera app combines the functionality of three separate apps on N900: BlessN900, Panorama, and the stock camera app, and in a much snappier interface, albeit with fewer options. I'm excited about that. I need to find an app that will simulate a scan from a photo (perspective correction), though.
Offline dictionary, wikipedia, and a gps recorder are also needed. TBD
Of course, porting a few classic games and apps (e.g. Doom, Starcon2, Gweled, MAME) with a few hours work each isn't going to happen in Android like it did with Maemo and its SDL framework. The ability to achieve feature parity ends with the software selection...
Will edit when i have made more progress.
ETA: I have S-OFF now. I thought i could leave it alone until i tired of GB and/or stock kernel, but i should have known better. I used my Linux Mint14 (64 bit) box, a random USB cable (original HTC one is presumably with the original owner), and a twist-tie, and to be safe i flashed back my nandroid of stock first. After all the wind up about original this, 32 bit os, and precise that, i got it on the first try and it didn't wipe my SD card.
First thing i did is flash a custom splash screen. I made one and it was realizing it wouldn't work without S-OFF that pushed me over the edge.
Flandry said:
I'm trying to establish, as much as possible, the functionality my Maemo device had. I'm going to post my progress here for any to whom it might be useful.
notes
I've copied my Conboy notes to Tomdroid, but the ancient stable version doesn't support editing and the beta version (0.7.2) corrupts notes with bulleted lists. I really liked Conboy, so i hope the devs can get things sorted. Development seems to be really slow, which surprises me considering the popularity of Tomboy.
terminal
I encountered the hilarious problem with Terminal Emulator that others have: the forward slash key (of all things) only produces tildes, making the hwkb completely useless for terminal work. Someone suggested a Connectbot connection to local, and that versatile little app seems like a little slice of home coming from a linux environment. You can put an icon on your desktop that will open you right to that connection, too.
I'm still trying to figure out the best way to modify my keyboard mapping. I'd like to make the www. a Tab and repurpose the android keys and extra (right) shift, perhaps as arrows and a CTRL. The spacebar is also obnoxiously out of reach so i might move it to the Back key. Fortunately, Connectbot has some sensible workarounds that make these changes less urgent.
I have the latest ES File Explorer but the locked down nature of Android seems to make any kind of file system activities hopelessly complicated compared with a more conventional linux system. I was trying to install this nano editor binary but am not sure if remounting root R/W and unzipping it to / is going to cause issues.
spreadsheet
I've been using gnumeric on my N900. TBD
e-reader
FB Reader and PDF reader on the N900. TBD
offline maps
Used Modrana and Navit on N900. Both have strengths and weaknesses. TBD
misc.
It's nice that Flashlight is pre-loaded but i can't see any way to leave it on while i do something else on the phone. I think the custom setting in the quick settings of Bulletproof could do that. :/ It is a nice bright flash we have here.
The stock camera app combines the functionality of three separate apps on N900: BlessN900, Panorama, and the stock camera app, and in a much snappier interface, albeit with fewer options. I'm excited about that. I need to find an app that will simulate a scan from a photo (perspective correction), though.
Offline dictionary, wikipedia, and a gps recorder are also needed. TBD
Of course, porting a few classic games and apps (e.g. Doom, Starcon2, Gweled, MAME) with a few hours work each isn't going to happen in Android like it did with Maemo and its SDL framework. The ability to achieve feature parity ends with the software selection...
Will edit when i have made more progress.
ETA: I have S-OFF now. I thought i could leave it alone until i tired of GB and/or stock kernel, but i should have known better. I used my Linux Mint14 (64 bit) box, a random USB cable (original HTC one is presumably with the original owner), and a twist-tie, and to be safe i flashed back my nandroid of stock first. After all the wind up about original this, 32 bit os, and precise that, i got it on the first try and it didn't wipe my SD card.
First thing i did is flash a custom splash screen. I made one and it was realizing it wouldn't work without S-OFF that pushed me over the edge.
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Not sure what your needs are as for a notes app, but I use the one HTC included in the ROM simply called Notes. It can import/export but I haven't used that feature or know the format. Also, Adobe PDF reader comes with the ROM, too. These are both in Miktouch. I have also run into that keyboard issue with Terminal, someone posted a revised Terminal app that fixed that issue but now I don't know where it is located. Perhaps look around on the Play Store. As to spreadsheets and other office-type apps, QuickOffice is now owned by Google and was made free in the Play Store. It can read/write most MS Office documents. And Google Maps now has the feature of storing offline maps for when you don't have network access.
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Not sure what your needs are as for a notes app, but I use the one HTC included in the ROM simply called Notes. It can import/export but I haven't used that feature or know the format. Also, Adobe PDF reader comes with the ROM, too. These are both in Miktouch. I have also run into that keyboard issue with Terminal, someone posted a revised Terminal app that fixed that issue but now I don't know where it is located. Perhaps look around on the Play Store. As to spreadsheets and other office-type apps, QuickOffice is now owned by Google and was made free in the Play Store. It can read/write most MS Office documents. And Google Maps now has the feature of storing offline maps for when you don't have network access.
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Yeah i had just discovered QuickOffice was free after finding the usual subjects (Gnu apps, OO, etc) aren't available and presumably decent since Google decided to buy it. I vaguely remember there being a QuickOffice on my Handera(?) a decade ago. Wonder if it's the same thing.
The attention to detail in the ConnectBot app makes it actually possible to hack system files, and its support for copy and paste, combined with that nano binary i got installed, lets me copy-paste text into files. The lack of universal clipboard and general lack of time-honored keyboard shortcuts is driving me up the wall. I sure took that for granted on maemo. Android just isn't designed with a hardware keyboard in mind. :/
Nano is super flaky with poor refresh, and without keyboard arrows it's a bit hard to use. It would be impossible without ConnectBot's workaround for lack of CTRL, though. Can anyone recommend a good simple GUI text editor for editing config files etc.? One that supports copy/paste, unlike that half-assed ES File Explorer note editor atrocity.
Anyway, I used the above setup to make the changes to the gps.conf file recommended here.
I'm also finding the long-press on Home is a passable imitation of the camera-button or CTRL-BACKSPACE shortcut to task switcher on the N900 too.
I'm going to give the Sneaky Pete kernel a try now.
Flandry said:
Yeah i had just discovered QuickOffice was free after finding the usual subjects (Gnu apps, OO, etc) aren't available and presumably decent since Google decided to buy it. I vaguely remember there being a QuickOffice on my Handera(?) a decade ago. Wonder if it's the same thing.
The attention to detail in the ConnectBot app makes it actually possible to hack system files, and its support for copy and paste, combined with that nano binary i got installed, lets me copy-paste text into files. The lack of universal clipboard and general lack of time-honored keyboard shortcuts is driving me up the wall. I sure took that for granted on maemo. Android just isn't designed with a hardware keyboard in mind. :/
Nano is super flaky with poor refresh, and without keyboard arrows it's a bit hard to use. It would be impossible without ConnectBot's workaround for lack of CTRL, though. Can anyone recommend a good simple GUI text editor for editing config files etc.? One that supports copy/paste, unlike that half-assed ES File Explorer note editor atrocity.
Anyway, I used the above setup to make the changes to the gps.conf file recommended here.
I'm also finding the long-press on Home is a passable imitation of the camera-button or CTRL-BACKSPACE shortcut to task switcher on the N900 too.
I'm going to give the Sneaky Pete kernel a try now.
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For hacking system files, an easy app to use is Kernel Tuner. Even though I'm using the stock kernel on Miktouch, I use Kernel Tuner to set my min CPU and governor (I have 1134 max/192 min and conservative governor on both cores) and I set the I/O scheduler to noop with a 2048kb cache. The app has the built in ability to make edits to system files and is geared for Sense ROMs.
Also, you might want to download/install the newer Swype keyboard from Play Store. It is newer/better than the Swype that is built in to the HTC ROM. The built in Swype can be disabled (I use MyBackup Pro to freeze certain things that are built in, like the Group messaging and Tmobile ID stuff that I never use).
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The attention to detail in the ConnectBot app makes it actually possible to hack system files, and its support for copy and paste, combined with that nano binary i got installed, lets me copy-paste text into files. The lack of universal clipboard and general lack of time-honored keyboard shortcuts is driving me up the wall. I sure took that for granted on maemo. Android just isn't designed with a hardware keyboard in mind. :/
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Have you found some of Blue6ix' posts yet? He listed ways to remap the keys to whatever you wanted, and I seem to recall keyboard shortcuts was one of the things lamented when he moved to a phone without a hardware keyboard. (though I don't use shortcuts myself so can't say more)
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Have you found some of Blue6ix' posts yet? He listed ways to remap the keys to whatever you wanted, and I seem to recall keyboard shortcuts was one of the things lamented when he moved to a phone without a hardware keyboard. (though I don't use shortcuts myself so can't say more)
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Yeah that's what i linked to a few posts back when i mentioned it. I've spent a while playing around with it now that i have a functioning nano editor and bash. I found, to my disappointment, that CTRL can't be used as a modifier until Android 3. At least that's what i gathered. The amount of conflicting information on every thing i search for is mind-boggling, both due to vendor and device differences and android API differences, i assume. Anyway, no CTRL isn't too big of a deal since the standard CTRL-+ shortcuts aren't really standard on it, and VX Connectbot makes it easy to generate CTRL+? inputs. I switched to VX, an improved Connectbot fork, when i realized i had no way to generate angle brackets or pipe characters. VX Connectbot enables the SYM selector pop-up and and lets you map most buttons. It's really quite nice.
The more amusing/aggravating thing i discovered is that if you map a key to TAB, it actually is "symlinked" to DPAD_DOWN (keycode 20). That means it behaves vaguely TAB-like in the browser, but not in text editors. I found this out using the debug show keycode option in VX Connectbot. So the obvious system remap for the asinine www./.com key is pointless, and there doesn't seem to be any way to get a real tab input using just a remap. I'm not sure how much further up the pipeline you can go with a closed ROM -- really have no idea -- but again at least there's a way to get TAB in a shell with VX. I did, in desperation, try just entering the keycode for TAB (61) in the key layout file, instead of the enum name. Hilarity and a dead keyboard ensued... yay for cwm recovery. :silly:
So now most of my grand plans for modding the keyboard layout are sort of in tatters. I think I will
map the right shift, genius, sym, and alt keys to cursor keys (just too hard to consistently press the dpad left or right without getting an up or down in there somewhere). That's similar to the layout i'm used to on my N900.
I'd move sym to Home and make Back another spacebar. The spacebar has to be pushed close to its middle on this keyboard, and it's too far away to make sense.
probably remap www. to SHIFT_RIGHT so that it can be tab in Connectbot (built in option)
that leaves just the menu key as redundant (well, and two shifts and space bars after the changes). TBD
Edit: After reading through this, it is clear that if i went with an ICS ROM i could remap as intended. Prior to Froyo the key map files were much less versatile. I think i could get TAB working if i modded the binary keymap file, but it's probably not worth it.
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Edit: After reading through this, it is clear that if i went with an ICS ROM i could remap as intended. Prior to Froyo the key map files were much less versatile. I think i could get TAB working if i modded the binary keymap file, but it's probably not worth it.
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The best ICS w/Sense ROM for this phone, in my opinion, was one from sun_dream. It was a direct port from the Sensation, using that phone's 3.3.2 ROM release as the base. There was an 3.3.3 release port but I found it to be much less usable/stable. The best ICS ROM, though, is scverhagen's CM9.1r13. It isn't Sense based, but it is very stable, excellent battery, and everything works as it should (for a CM ROM).
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The best ICS w/Sense ROM for this phone, in my opinion, was one from sun_dream. It was a direct port from the Sensation, using that phone's 3.3.2 ROM release as the base. There was an 3.3.3 release port but I found it to be much less usable/stable. The best ICS ROM, though, is scverhagen's CM9.1r13. It isn't Sense based, but it is very stable, excellent battery, and everything works as it should (for a CM ROM).
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Without having even used an Android phone before, i'm not partial to Sense, but i decided after the previous discussion that i'm going to stick with GB for now for the extra camera quality. However, after this tweaking i think i will make a final nandroid and then flash scverhagen's CM9.1r13 to see if the android really is greener on the other side.
Is it worth going all the way to JB, or are those much less functional?
I've set the Miktouch keyboard layout up with relatively minor changes for now:
www. = SYM
Home key = SPACE
SYM = Left Up (caught again by the limited keymapping vocabulary of GB. If you set to DPAD_LEFT, it registers as DPAD_DOWN when the device is in landscape mode...
ALT (right) = Right Down " " "
Genius key = ALT (right)
I found this post and this post to be useful references when changing the layout.
Flandry said:
Without having even used an Android phone before, i'm not partial to Sense, but i decided after the previous discussion that i'm going to stick with GB for now for the extra camera quality. However, after this tweaking i think i will make a final nandroid and then flash scverhagen's CM9.1r13 to see if the android really is greener on the other side.
Is it worth going all the way to JB, or are those much less functional?
I've set the Miktouch keyboard layout up with relatively minor changes for now:
www. = SYM
Home key = SPACE
SYM = Left Up (caught again by the limited keymapping vocabulary of GB. If you set to DPAD_LEFT, it registers as DPAD_DOWN when the device is in landscape mode...
ALT (right) = Right Down " " "
Genius key = ALT (right)
I found this post and this post to be useful references when changing the layout.
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I can only speak for my own tastes and experiences when discussing a ROM. I personally run Miktouch on my MT4GS. I've tried nearly every ROM available, and given them a good try out. For Sense, I'm gonna run Miktouch, just nothing else comes close to the stability. If I were using a non-sense ROM, I would use scverhagen's CM9.1r13, which is as close to the stability of Miktouch as I've found in a non-stock ROM. I've tried the CM10, 10.1, and 10.2 ROMs but for me the differences just aren't worth the little quirks and issues. Now, many people don't mind those things, or may not even face those same quirks as they might use their phone differently than me. On my Nook Tablet, I use the CM10.1.3 Stable release, as it is so rock-solid. But on this phone, I want 100% (or as close to 100% as is possible) uptime without having to make excuses for why that call got dropped or that text didn't send or my Bluetooth disconnected, etc.

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