I recently got a G1 (USA, T-Mobile), and it's currently running RC33. I have spent many hours reading this thread about how to root Android and then load a rooted RC33 image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
I'm well aware of all the advantages of rooting, but before I decide to take the plunge, I want to make sure that I also understand any disadvantages. Within that thread and others I've seen a few mentions of capabilities that don't currently carry over into the rooted RC33 image (the JF image), but unless I missed something, I couldn't find any discussion where all of these compromised capabilities are clearly enumerated.
Under the assumption that such a list doesn't exist, I'd like to start one here. I emphasize that I'm aware of the capabilites that are gained by rooting, and I'm wanting to know whether any of the following features might be missing or compromised under the JF RC33 rooted image:
Telephone-call features
Normal calling and receipt of calls
Voice dialing
Call forwarding
Other
Email sending and receiving
Contacts management
Synching
Notification features
Notification of incoming calls
Notification of incoming SMS/MMS
Notification of incoming email
Notification of alarms
Control of ringing/vibrating/silent notification capabilities for all apps
Camera
All normal features
Calendar
All normal features
Browsing
Normal browsing features
Networking
Edge
3G
WiFi
Multimedia
Playing/recording music
Playing videos
Viewing images
GPS
All normal GPS functions
Maps application
Other capabilities
Thank you very much in advance.
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I don't think you loose any of this. Only chatting with MSN will be removed and some T-Mobile specific things like MyFaves. But you can do without that, i guess..
Thank you very much.
Actually, losing the capability to connect to MSN is a positive feature, as far as I'm concerned!
What about other IM providers?
Also, I'm a little unclear as to which G1 features are T-Mobile-specific. Besides Myfaves, are there any other things that are provided by T-Mobile that I might lose in a rooted RC33?
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Micronics said:
I don't think you loose any of this. Only chatting with MSN will be removed and some T-Mobile specific things like MyFaves. But you can do without that, i guess..
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This is not correct. JF's RC33 image still has MSN chatting and MyFaves. It has everything the normal RC33 image has but adds root.
JF's ADP1.1 and ADP1.5 ROMs are another matter. Since those are based on the Android Developer Phone, which is not a T-mobile product, you lost T-mobile-specific apps like MSN chat and MyFaves.
HippoMan said:
I recently got a G1 (USA, T-Mobile), and it's currently running RC33. I have spent many hours reading this thread about how to root Android and then load a rooted RC33 image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
I'm well aware of all the advantages of rooting, but before I decide to take the plunge, I want to make sure that I also understand any disadvantages. Within that thread and others I've seen a few mentions of capabilities that don't currently carry over into the rooted RC33 image (the JF image), but unless I missed something, I couldn't find any discussion where all of these compromised capabilities are clearly enumerated.
Under the assumption that such a list doesn't exist, I'd like to start one here. I emphasize that I'm aware of the capabilites that are gained by rooting, and I'm wanting to know whether any of the following features might be missing or compromised under the JF RC33 rooted image:
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the only thing you lose is the ability to update over the air (OTA)
Thanks to all of you.
I now feel encouraged, and I think I'm going to dive into the world of rooting later today or tomorrow.
Excelsior! ("Onward and upward!")
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Your question was about JF RC33, but if you're going to do it, I highly recommend you go with JF1.5 or one of the other Android 1.5 (Cupcake) based builds. They're much newer and have new features and bug fixes. If you go with one of those builds you WILL lose MSN chat, Yahoo chat, and Myfaves, but I don't miss them.
If you find it that ADP 1.5 or JF RC33 update is not good enough, you can always go back to the original RC29 and do it all over again.
Oh, OK. Now I understand. Thanks.
Another question: do I lose all IM capabilities in JF1.5, or just specifically MSN chat and Yahoo chat? I'd like to still use Google Talk.
Also, is Myfaves the only T-Mobile-specific app on the phone? I couldn't care less about it, but I'd hate to lose something else from T-Mobile which might be important.
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You'll still have Google Talk. One T-mobile app not previously mentioned is Amazon Marketplace (for purchasing MP3s). You lose that also (I've never used it). That's all of them.
This is great! All the apps I'll lose are the ones I want to lose.
Thanks again.
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HippoMan said:
Oh, OK. Now I understand. Thanks.
Another question: do I lose all IM capabilities in JF1.5, or just specifically MSN chat and Yahoo chat? I'd like to still use Google Talk.
Also, is Myfaves the only T-Mobile-specific app on the phone? I couldn't care less about it, but I'd hate to lose something else from T-Mobile which might be important.
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Google talk is functional in all builds.
You will loose MyFaves app if you flash anything but R33. MyFaves are still manageble from T-mobile's website. I would agree with previous poster: only use R33 (root or no root)on T-mobile network or you may end up paying some hefty SMS charges as MyFaves app will try to contact servers once every 2-5 minutes.
Any 1.5 google builds (JF, Haykuro or Dude) are good choice, they are all stable, include Google Talk and no MyFaves (app that is). JF's rom has the more themes available at the moment but that will most likely change in few days.
Good Luck
You can install amazonmp3 seperatly. Done this on my ADP 1.5 JF.
maxisma said:
You can install amazonmp3 seperatly. Done this on my ADP 1.5 JF.
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I thought I remembered that, but I didn't want to say so since I haven't done it myself.
Thanks again to all for your helpful and reassuring feedback.
Just want you all to know that I rooted my G1, and now it's working fine with the RC33 image ... and I'm very happy with the results!
I'll do the 1.5 installation some time in the future.
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BTW... for 1.5 builds the built in camera app is MUCH better than in RC33. The shutter works a lot faster, like a whole lot faster. The camcorder is the bomb. The radio update really helped the connection speed of GPS... a lot. Finally the battery drains slower in the 1.5 builds. I noticed a significant difference when I went from RC33 to Dude's. The build is very stable and navigating around the phone works quicker. Why wait to flash 1.5?
i can agree with that!
i've flashed to JF's 1.5, battery drains slower, system and gps is faster....great build!
i love those widgets (weather, calendar and notices)
dont wait to flash to an 1.5 release.
greetz from germany
Actually, you only gain from rooting your phone, it's the build you install afterwards that effects what apps you may lose. It is definitely worth the loss of the Tmobile apps to get any of the 1.5 builds, though beware that many market apps are not yet configured to work with 1.5. This is not the build dev's fault, but the app dev's fault. Lately, more and more apps are becoming 1.5 friendly since the OTA is finally upon us.
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Now that v1.3 is out and you have a choice between all 3 builds, which one are you going to use? Why? Feedback on how many people are using which can be useful when deciding what to support in the future.
Personally, my vote is for ADP1. Reasons: US localization and no MyFaves. Plus I hate soiling my ADP1 phone with G1 branding
I think I'm gonna have to go with the Adp1 version
Stericson
I'm using RC30 because I just reinstalled all of my apps with apkInstaller and I'm too lazy to do another wipe, then again, I don't have myFaves and I never use MSN, AIM, and YIM so the ADP1 build is right for me
ADP1. Don't need MyFaves or the other IM clients. That said, if the G1 receives a cupcake-fortified update and the ADP1 doesn't...
Edit: Is voila.ogg the default notification sound in ADP1, or is that your customization JF?
Argh. The dreaded quote-instead-of-edit. Delete this please =(
jashsu said:
ADP1. Don't need MyFaves or the other IM clients. That said, if the G1 receives a cupcake-fortified update and the ADP1 doesn't...
Edit: Is voila.ogg the default notification sound in ADP1, or is that your customization JF?
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I think it picks a random notification
JesusFreke said:
I think it picks a random notification
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Ahh. The buildprop file of official updates includes the following line in the additional build properties, which probably properly sets it:
ro.config.notification_sound=F1_New_SMS.ogg
I'm assuming once official update.zips for ADP1 are released we'll know what the default additional properties are. On that note, does the ADP1 documentation state whether ADP1 updates are coming at all?
what is this documentation you speak of?
JesusFreke said:
what is this documentation you speak of?
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Well, that one small square sheet of paper that (I assumed) was a complete and nuanced corpus on the workings of the ADP1 and all future support of said device. I guess i'll try the Android discussion group.
Oh yeah, since ro.config.ringtone wasn't defined, it randomized that too. I got Ether Shake this time around. Default is, of course, Bird Loop.
Is there a way to get msn in adp1?
I would like to use the ADP1 version, because I only have the 400 texts/month package so I never used the built-in IM app for anything but GTalk... But manup456's and Stericson's themes don't support the ADP1 version yet so I'm stuck using RC30.
brbk4498 said:
Is there a way to get msn in adp1?
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Not yet, the IM app may be open source, but the Yahoo, AIM and MSN plugins for it are not.
You can always install the BuddyMob app from the market, though...
was running adp1, find there is more functionality in rc30. but now that seems corrected with the new release.
went with rc30 for the additional space. why is the available space for the adp1 version 54 mb, but 71 for rc30? what is taking up the missing space in the adp1 version?
ADP1 for me, I don't need myfaves, is there an easy way to remove amazon mp3 and voice dialer from 1.3 like the original adp image?
Sadly my vote is for RC30 right now.
Make sure that the t-mobile hotspot access will work on the adp1 and give me the option for myfavs, and I'll switch.
I like the adp1 because it doesn't have myfaves but I ran into an issue were it wouldn't let me flash a new theme. It boots up and get stuck at an infinate loop at the android splash screen.
RC8 for me because of US number formatting. I suppose it's not a big deal if you would not support RC8 in the future, would just mean us UK folk would have to find a way to modify it.
Lov'n the ADP1 !!!!!!
Tob3z said:
RC8 for me because of US number formatting. I suppose it's not a big deal if you would not support RC8 in the future, would just mean us UK folk would have to find a way to modify it.
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Same here, no myfaves and "correct" number format. Would use Adp1 if number format was same as rc8
AP1 + IM with support for MSN accounts
I'd prefer RC30. I'd like to keep the official release for my phone, just with root access.
"RC33JF" vs. cupcake - does cupcake have multitouch built in?
I expect some are going to jump on me for asking a dumb question, but a search on this site, which I consider the finest knowledge base around on this topic, yielded mostly conversations around the fact that cupcake will support multitouch, but they don't mention if it is turned on out of the box. In other words, would we need Luke/JF's patch work as we did with RC30 for multitouch to work, or would it just work as it should.
With RC33 out and my confidence in JF that there will be a "RC33JF out within a week" and what appears to be a MUCH more usable cupcake image (as of 2/2, anyway), I am thinking hard about if I'd give up RC33 and Maps, Gmail, etc. and just use AndNav, K9, etc. and APK repositories to survive to get my A2DP bluetooth and full time virtual keyboard, and cupcake is looking more and more promising...
first off, multitouch only works in the browser. Im not sure if the current browser would work with the cupcake firmware. If it does then you could just push it to the phone using adb.
JF or LucidREM can one of you please please please make this image without the multi-touch hack in it. You don't know how much i would appreciate it and probably others. Its too weird to have it throughout the OS and there aren't any apps that can utilize it.
I have no use for the multi and don't like the quirky issues that come with it.
Again please please please and thank you! Your work IS appreciated greatly!
you are incorrect multi-touch effects apps other than the browser in 1.41
It may cause problems but it doesnt work properly. The app would have to be coded to work with the hack. I dont know of any apps that have been coded to work with this hack.
It's off by default. Just go into your browser settings and uncheck what you checked in the first place.
I don't know much about it (multi-touch) but if it's built into the OS and (allegedly?) leads to some quirks here and there (does it?) I don't understand how you can turn it off from the browser...
I'm sure there are a lot of us who don't care about multi-touch at this point, so I would agree with the OP that it would be nice to have the option of a modified RC33 *without* multi-touch.
I would like to add my request as well.
Its off by default in the browser but the kernel is still hacked to sense multi-touch which causes issues with certain apps. This is because the hack uses an existing field to sense the 2nd finger. So apps that actually use that field for legitimate purposes don't work correctly.
Pls add me to the requests for a no-multi-touch version.
It is my understanding that you can turn auto rotate on and off in the browser, but not multi-touch.
there are the highest chances that multi-touch wont be included in cupcake..that is in the original unmodified update..
kernel is still hacked to sense multi-touch which causes issues with certain apps
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Which apps are having issues? Somebody mentioned Steamy Windows in another thread... what other apps are having issues. I like the auto-rotate/multi-touch functionality in that order.
aukicadeso said:
Which apps are having issues? Somebody mentioned Steamy Windows in another thread... what other apps are having issues. I like the auto-rotate/multi-touch functionality in that order.
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I was having issues where my home screen would skip back and forth. I also had issues clicking the proper menu options/icons.
So yeah count my vote in too.
justanothercrowd said:
JF or LucidREM can one of you please please please make this image without the multi-touch hack in it. You don't know how much i would appreciate it and probably others. Its too weird to have it throughout the OS and there aren't any apps that can utilize it.
I have no use for the multi and don't like the quirky issues that come with it.
Again please please please and thank you! Your work IS appreciated greatly!
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OMG, how many threads are you going to post this in? I've counted about 4. If your steamy windows app doesn't work on JF v1.41, go back to non-rooted. I took a look at your past 15 posts, and it all relates to the multi-touch. Version 1.31 didn't have it, you could use that...
/rant
Honestly, beggars can't be choosers.
If JF chooses to not implement this, I think it'd be a step back. You are all welcome to go back to 1.31 or even use the nonrooted version... or better yet, come out with your own version of root.
But, ultimately it's up to JF, and I really hope he doesn't waste his time making two separate versions of 1.33. Ofc, if you really want him to listen to you, don't be a beggar, and be a supporter.
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=1014600
If JF doesn't do it, someone else probably will... which is perfectly fine. Nobody is knocking JF if he won't do this.
I think people are just asking (kindly, I don't see anyone being a jerk about it honestly) for a "vanilla" RC33... As in, exactly as it came from Google except WITH root access added back in. No extra stuff, no recompiled kernel, no extra modules, nothing but root access added back in.
All of my posts are about it because it is the biggest issue with people in the 1.41 build.
The stock RAW image viewer does not work properly either...or cracked screen app....just becasue the apps that take advantage of the second field arent great right now doesnt mean that this isn't an issue. It could end up being a big issue since most dev's don't develop for hacked ROMS.
And for your info I have been running 1.31 for the past few days. I just don't want to see this hack pigeon hole users into not being able to use certain apps. I would like to be able to take advantage of future releases without having multi-touch.
Currently it is only a benefit in the browser and the stock zoom works much smoother, and in the rest of the OS it is a bother.
I will continue to voice my concern and it appears that quite a few others have the same concern.
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All of my posts are about it because it is the biggest issue with people in the 1.41 build.
The stock RAW image viewer does not work properly either...or cracked screen app....just becasue the apps that take advantage of the second field arent great right now doesnt mean that this isn't an issue. It could end up being a big issue since most dev's don't develop for hacked ROMS.
And for your info I have been running 1.31 for the past few days. I just don't want to see this hack pigeon hole users into not being able to use certain apps. I would like to be able to take advantage of future releases without having multi-touch.
Currently it is only a benefit in the browser and the stock zoom works much smoother, and in the rest of the OS it is a bother.
I will continue to voice my concern and it appears that quite a few others have the same concern.
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Feel free to ask all you want. I think it might fall on deaf ears. The point I was trying to make, is that it's not necessary to post in 4-5 different threads. I think one thread would be sufficient enough...
I agree with justanothercrowd. I'm all for the multi-touch hack, but the fact that its using an existing documented field is an issue.
I believe if you search the threads JF has already answered this question or it has been at least brought up. The only problem that was really brought to light was the steamy app. Really I think this would be a huge hassle for JF who works for free to have to update two versions every time an update is to come out maybe a simple setting to turn it off would be easier and more likely.
a setting would be great. and im more than willing to contribute $$$ for the extra time spent. i would recompile my own but im not that savvy with the android platform yet.
any feedback jf?
Hello,
I'm not a developer, so not really looking to get full root access, but I'd like to get JF for the auto-rotate, tether, and multi-touch.
My confusion is, do I get the ADP 1.1, the RC33, or both? What is the ADP 1.1 for?
My phone is for the US. It's currently on regular RC33 and the firmware is 1.1.
cigar3tte said:
Hello,
I'm not a developer, so not really looking to get full root access, but I'd like to get JF for the auto-rotate, tether, and multi-touch.
My confusion is, do I get the ADP 1.1, the RC33, or both? What is the ADP 1.1 for?
My phone is for the US. It's currently on regular RC33 and the firmware is 1.1.
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Hello,
I think you better goggle more better or study more cause you ask if you could use RC33 and ADP or both?
If you going to ask a question like that, I think you should sell me your g1 or don't mod it!
There should be a FAQ sticky post explaining all the basics, there's too much technical info and i know beginners can have it difficult to solve very simple but important questions...
jf adp 1.1 is pretty much the same as jf rc33 but without MyFaves, without IM (only access to google's IM) and no Amazon Mp3. So, adp1.1 get a little more space somewhere..
So, choose one, read the forum and install it. I heard somewhere ADP users CAN NOT download protected / paid apps? i never could because i am from spain and never could.. so be carefull with that.
And you will have root too with adp or rc33, but apps will require your permission if they want to use root so you are safe. eg: tether will request root to work.
I recommend you to install lucidrem's firmware + apps on sd card, its really great to have 400 MB free for apps and never see that aannoying message telling you "low space".
And install the Radio update too. It improves your battery duration.
greetings
Meh, not a lot of people want to mod their phone for root access directly, but for something that only requires root access... Like WiFi tethering, in this case...
cigar3tte, I'd strongly suggest you do a bit more research on-line, as you can mess up your phone (though it'll be repairable most likely) if you don't do it properly, but I'll give you a push in the right direction. You want the RC33 version of JF's builds.
Stay away from the ADP builds unless you have a specific reason to use them, and know what they are, what they do, and why you need them.
There's a few guides on how to root your phone, make sure you follow them all (you'll need to downgrade to RC 29, etc). Good luck.
unrafa said:
There should be a FAQ sticky post explaining all the basics, there's too much technical info and i know beginners can have it difficult to solve very simple but important questions...
jf adp 1.1 is pretty much the same as jf rc43 but without MyFaves, without IM (only access to google's IM) and no Amazon Mp3. So, adp1.1 get a little more space somewhere..
So, choose one, read the forum and install it. I heard somewhere ADP users CAN NOT download protected / paid apps? i never could because i am from spain and never could.. so be carefull with that.
greetings
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Not entirely, but mostly accurate... ADP1.1 JF builds do include the Amazon marketplace (I know because I remove it every time I reflash, stupid thing). Also, the ADP1.1 partitions are slightly different, so that more space thing isn't necessarily true.
What you said about the protected applications in the marketplace is spot on. Not all paid apps are protected, though, and we can buy paid, unprotected apps just fine. On the flip side, we can't even download free, protected apps. But either way, there's a LOT of marketplace apps, both free and paid, that are listed as protected that ADP image users can not see.
Thanks for all the replies (yes, even the first one).
I went with RC33, and successfully flashed JF 1.42.
Auto-rotate and multi-touch are working.
Hello Guys !!!!
I have The Magic Rom v 5.0.2H Installed Currently On my ADP1...
I AM IN INDIA
So As we know ADP1 Cannot See Paid Apps....
I Have The Quick Office apk installed Dont know which Version may be the one from Sapphire System Folder by Xmoo or From The Custom Build From Rild or someone with similar User Name Here (There Is A build on XDA)
Today while browsing on my ADP1, Got a Popup Saying Quick Office Update Is Available,
So I clicked on that Notification,
It Took Me to The Android Market,...To the Quick Office Paid App Costing $19~
Also Shows The Buy Option !!!
But When I checked Android Market Again, It Dint Show Any Paid App.... But opening Quick Office Sometime Shows Its App Download Window On The Market...
So I Think Even ADP1 OR Rooted Phones Can See Paid APP By Some Hack....
Please Post Your Ideas...
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Hello Guys !!!!
I have The Magic Rom v 5.0.2H Installed Currently On my ADP1...
I AM IN INDIA
So As we know ADP1 Cannot See Paid Apps....
I Have The Quick Office apk installed Dont know which Version may be the one from Sapphire System Folder by Xmoo or From The Custom Build From Rild or someone with similar User Name Here (There Is A build on XDA)
Today while browsing on my ADP1, Got a Popup Saying Quick Office Update Is Available,
So I clicked on that Notification,
It Took Me to The Android Market,...To the Quick Office Paid App Costing $19~
Also Shows The Buy Option !!!
But When I checked Android Market Again, It Dint Show Any Paid App.... But opening Quick Office Sometime Shows Its App Download Window On The Market...
So I Think Even ADP1 OR Rooted Phones Can See Paid APP By Some Hack....
Please Post Your Ideas...
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Ok, so you have the ADP1 phone, but are running an RC (read - NON-ADP) firmware. And what is shocking is that you think you still have an ADP1 phone. Sure the hardware is the same and you have that fancy back cover, but if the software says RC - that is the only thing the market can see. So that is how your phone is identified as an ADP or "Normal" phone.
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Ok, so you have the ADP1 phone, but are running an RC (read - NON-ADP) firmware. And what is shocking is that you think you still have an ADP1 phone. Sure the hardware is the same and you have that fancy back cover, but if the software says RC - that is the only thing the market can see. So that is how your phone is identified as an ADP or "Normal" phone.
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His signature says he has this phone:
Phone : ADP1
Bootloader : Hard SPL
ROM : JF 1.43 ADP 1.1h
Yes kathi but what he's saying is, the OP is not running ADP firmware so the market has no idea what the back cover looks like or how much he paid for his phone.
As far as the market is concerned, he's running a standard T-Mobile G1 with RC33.
Kinda like if i boot my mac into Vista... I'm not going to get apple updates, i'm going to get windows updates... MS doesn't know (or care at least) that i'm on mac hardware. They just know I'm running windows.
Sorry Man You R Wrong,
If It was so that changing the firmware, would show paid apps,
Even Going to JF RC versions frim ADP versions would fetch me 1 or 2 paid apps...
Changing the firmware dosen't change the whole phone info...
The information Regarding Paid Apps Is stored on a lower level which dosen't change by a change in firmware...
What I Think Is May Be The Change in Radio Can Do This because The Radio Partition is not accessible via the UI
OR
Also The Bootloader Changes May Be Responsible This,
As Magic Rom Has An Option To Change The Radio & Bootloader ... These Require Recovery Mode to Be Flashed & Which Are Not Provided In The Source...
Haykuro,
First Off All, Thanks For Magic ROM,
Need To Ask U Some Questions:
1. Where Did The Radio & Bootloader Come From & Did You Did Any Changes To It ?
(May Be It Was Updated OTA I Know Bootloader Comes OTA)
Ok, well I just looked closer and I see that you are still running an ADP firmware, it's just a JF build.
I assure you though, when I put ADP firmware on my phone, I can't get protected apps.
When I put an RC firmware, I can.
The market blocks apps based soley on your firmware, not the bootloader or radio.
ADP = no protected apps
RC = no restrictions
As far as how you were able to see Quick Office, I have no idea. So on that note, I digress.
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Ok, well I just looked closer and I see that you are still running an ADP firmware, it's just a JF build.
I assure you though, when I put ADP firmware on my phone, I can't get protected apps.
When I put an RC firmware, I can.
The market blocks apps based soley on your firmware, not the bootloader or radio.
ADP = no protected apps
RC = no restrictions
As far as how you were able to see Quick Office, I have no idea. So on that note, I digress.
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No Its Not ADP Firmware The Firmware Itself Means The Build
i.e. Firmware Means:
1.0, 1.1, 1.5,...
& Build Means:
ADP1, ADP1.1, JF ADP1, JF ADP1.1, RC, JF RC, haykuro 5.0.2H, haykuro 5.0.1G, ...
So Firmware & Build Dosent Matter...
Fair enough, you've got me on semantics.
Up until the 1.5 firmwares (Haykuro's builds) started hitting up the market, the standard restrictions were as I stated above.
At this time, as far as I know, nobody knows what's going on with the Market. Since Google released the 1.5 SDK, maybe they're now making changes to the market to either purposely block 1.5 firmware until they're ready or maybe the market is truly being upgraded to only supply the correct version of apps for the correct firmware.
Either way, I stand by my original comment that up until now, ADP builds were not able to see protected apps, while all RC derivatives were. Now that RC33 includes both 1.1 and 1.5 firmware, I guess all bets are off until somebody can verify what's actually going on.
skri11a said:
Yes kathi but what he's saying is, the OP is not running ADP firmware so the market has no idea what the back cover looks like or how much he paid for his phone.
As far as the market is concerned, he's running a standard T-Mobile G1 with RC33.
Kinda like if i boot my mac into Vista... I'm not going to get apple updates, i'm going to get windows updates... MS doesn't know (or care at least) that i'm on mac hardware. They just know I'm running windows.
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Oh, you are right. I looked back and saw his signature. I should have read his post over again and seen that he was using Haykuro's build.
I'm slapping myself in the side of my head!
edit: I went from the same JF version Sangreet had to the same Haykuro version he has now, and can also see protected apps. It's because Haykuro added the code to make the market think we are on RC33. As of last night, the G builds couldn't download on the market, but the H builds could. (I just got on here a few minutes ago, so I don't know if this has changed).
kathi17 said:
Oh, you are right. I looked back and saw his signature. I should have read his post over again and seen that he was using Haykuro's build.
I'm slapping myself in the side of my head!
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Yeah, I'm having a hard time reading this morning too.
I saw "His Stuffs" and assumed the theme he created was the build he was running. I didn't see Haykuro's build either.
I'll just back away slowly and go back to nursing my hangover.
I still stand behind my basic point though
Sorry I updated my Sig now,
Skri11a, you got me what I was saying, great thinking may b what u said
But what I think is if its so, all paid apps would be visable,
Lets see what surprise Google has for us.
sangeet.003 said:
Sorry I updated my Sig now,
Skri11a, you got me what I was saying, great thinking may b what u said
But what I think is if its so, all paid apps would be visable,
Lets see what surprise Google has for us.
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i already read somewhere that they lifted the ban on paid apps partially .. something about paid apps that don't encrypt or something or other .. i don't recall the exact wording the press used but some apps have been made visible to ADP for at least a month or so
Hope that's true, and ado. Users see paid apps atleast on official ROMs
Updates (twitter.com/TwistedUmbrella):
Remix Re-established Concept:
http://code.google.com/p/cupcake-frosting/
You can find previous updates and info there
Update 2: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CTGCPR4
Excellent idea! I was hoping someone would do this.
I'll load it up this morning and let you know if I see any issues!
Ahhh perfect, I was poking around to see what I would need to do to bring the multitouch browser to H (I already have the Voice Search and Dialer) and I find this. Thank's dude.
Hmmmm sounds tempting, but how does the speed compare to adp hr3?
diaztradeinc said:
Hmmmm sounds tempting, but how does the speed compare to adp hr3?
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Not 100% sure, but this loads faster on mine. I "overclock" to slow to save battery haha but I didn't notice a difference running hr3. I've been going back and forth trying to get what I need. The blue lock screen overlay is actually the MAIN reason I am doing this. Stupid, huh?
Key factor may be that I DID update the radio.
I did leave out superuser, spare parts, and anything else that can be installed normally for those who don't want them. I change my mind about apps hourly so I try to keep default installs as clean as possible to avoid troublesome adb commands.
This sounds very intersting. Does it include the Exchange integration from the 5.0H build?
This is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for... soon as you get locked down which apps ur keeping, I'm on it.
Sounds great twisted. I'm in love with 5.0.2H because of the mail app and pdfviewer. Yesterday I stepped up to ADP1.5 and although it was fast, it's missing these key components that I use daily. I look forward to you app log.
This is really interesting. I can't wait to hear(read) thee results. Lol
vettejock99 said:
This sounds very intersting. Does it include the Exchange integration from the 5.0H build?
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It currently has the 5.0.2 exchange. I saw no point in taking it out. I don't use it but I know it's far easier to remove system components like that than it is to implement them once an update is installed.
So far I see no real difference in Gmail. Mail seems to crash for me in 1.5 with something about a Plus account - looks like 5.0.2 mail stays. Maps and Market will be updated because I see no reason not to.
Any thoughts on Gmail? Anyone see any updates worth having?
Can you put the H build camera in the build instead of the 1.5.3 camera? The HTC camera was far superior than the google implementation. That's all I can think of so far
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Can you put the H build camera in the build instead of the 1.5.3 camera? The HTC camera was far superior than the google implementation. That's all I can think of so far
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H camera crashed when using the camera button. The one I'm using is the one from the "add features to 5.0.xH" thread. Seems to be the most stable and all you really lose is zoom. Forgot to take out additional HTCAlbum, though. Planning to fix this and some other updates when I get back to my hideout. If I can remap the H camera button I will get that in there, but that takes a little longer than just swapping apks.
a2sd
is this version an as2d version?
jamesbui12 said:
is this version an as2d version?
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Please allow me time to obtain all the information I need (and the conmplimentary copy of Paragon) before I begin posting parallel versions for those of you that require a2sd. Until then I am taking the advice of a pm and adding in the black vk. It is "slick"
Please feel free to follow me on twitter at the same name. Much as I have followed the trend of making one for such an endeavor.
Please excuse the fact that I edit my posts almost immediately. I view them from my G1 and while the logic may be flawed, I find them cleaner when words do not hang loosely into additional lines.
twistedumbrella said:
5.0.2hr5a-twisted:
Items From 5.0.2:
Messaging
Calendar
Contacts
Youtube (Temporarily)
Mail, Music, and Gmail
Widget Interface
Chinese Keyboard
Items From 1.5.3:
Multitouch Browser
VoiceSearch
VoiceDialer
Google Sync
Android Keyboard
Updated Camera
Updated Settings
Updated System
Updated Market
Updated Maps
This was for those, like me, that liked the original look and feel of the Haykuro 5 series builds and didn't want to miss out on the new features of the 1.5 series builds. My own firmware is very custom so no screenshots currently.
http://sharebee.com/1965e7ad
http://sharebee.com/c4919794
Please let me know if you test this and find any bugs. I know altering updates MAY cause items to crash when installed. I will fix them ASAP.
Currently in the process of checking out Dude's Cupcake to see if anything in there might improve the build.
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any chance you could add the launcher in from here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507244 Or does this now not have the problem when you slide out the keybord? Because im currently running an old version of this rom i think? I had to install G keybord my self so.. Almost deff :L lol, Oh dont meen to be fussy but ayway you you edit the title of the thread whenever you update? only this seems a very intrsting build as i tooo love the HTC look and dont wanna loose the feel exactly cheers for your work dude
everything seems to work. not seeing the multi-touch...suppose to be there right. not a big deal, just testing out the version.
How is this going?
Still developing the build?
Looks great, and appears to fit me perfectly!
However, what is the difference between the two builds that you link to in your first post?
Is the 5.0.2hr5-twisted.zip the normal version, while the 5.0.2hr5a-twisted.zip is the Apps2SD version?
Zappza said:
How is this going?
Still developing the build?
Looks great, and appears to fit me perfectly!
However, what is the difference between the two builds that you link to in your first post?
Is the 5.0.2hr5-twisted.zip the normal version, while the 5.0.2hr5a-twisted.zip is the Apps2SD version?
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Sorry apps2sd is still coming. Having technical difficulties with getting both my G1 and computer to recognize the same partitions. The new version has the Andreoid keyboard included along with updates to youtube, maps, and market. The slider problem still exists for a day or two. Wanted to get the new market in place because I isolated the market download issue to have been cooperation between market and launcher. Now that the new market accepts downloads I can fix launcher. Expect updates tomorrow. I have a 4-hour block of boredom. Hehe.
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everything seems to work. not seeing the multi-touch...suppose to be there right. not a big deal, just testing out the version.
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Still isolating libs and such. JesusFreke redid the kernel so the program alone was not enough. Didn't think that far ahead when I was throwing parts together. I'm learning as I tear apart the 7 builds on my desktop. I just have to teach myself as I go.
Open source never meant well-documented.
Plans are in the works to go backwards from the HTC build, but like most others I need something to default back to when I'm not testing. Building this version was first priority with that being my next step. That is when the speed increases will occur with some new features. Can't say I'm not a dreamer, right?
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Sorry apps2sd is still coming. Having technical difficulties with getting both my G1 and computer to recognize the same partitions. The new version has the Andreoid keyboard included along with updates to youtube, maps, and market. The slider problem still exists for a day or two. Wanted to get the new market in place because I isolated the market download issue to have been cooperation between market and launcher. Now that the new market accepts downloads I can fix launcher. Expect updates tomorrow. I have a 4-hour block of boredom. Hehe.
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Beautiful!
I love your work!