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Cingular 8125 Key board lights go out to fast...

When I slide out the keyboard and type the lights go out on the keyboard within a second or two of a pause. Is there any way to make the lights stay on longer ??

I know your happy about your new wizard. But its enough with the questions.
Use the search function, like everyone elese.
About the keyboard let me say it is possible, do a search

Thanks for your kindness Weezy; I do not know about you but My job keeps me very busy, you know-job? Weezy? I have limited time to play here and I looked for a wile but thought that's what this forum was about- to ask for help. How do you know how much time I spent looking any way? It's possible I missed the answer to my question, then what-? Not everyone may have the time you have decided what is propper to search here first before asking questions. I hung out on Treo forums for 18 months and saw tons of others and myself ask many questions and never saw any one told to stop with the questions. I do not like you to much Weezy, you have taken a very fun experience for me and others in my office who are keeping up on this with me and have tryed to turn us all off about this forum and our new 8125's. Three of us bought them but only I am doing the research for us all. I could have all the others ask questions to, would that make you happy? Sorry to the others about being gruff but I thought we all had a common bond to share here. I'm not going to stop asking questions. I do not like being pushed around.

I own my business so I have to sit down and get on the computer when there aren't any customers I need to take care of. :wink:
And what your doing is breaking the FIRST rule of the forum. Let me make it faster for you, and paste it here for you.
1. Check if something hasn't been asked before
Some questions just keep popping up over and over. Please use the 'search' function in the menu above each and every page in the forum. Try entering a few keywords to see if your question has been asked before. If it has, please read the topics and see if you can figure it our from there.
(We acknowledge that part of the problem is that we never created a well-organized system of FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) documents. But then we're doing lots of cutting-edge stuff, and we'd rather build cool tools than work on perfecting FAQs.)

I own my business so I have to sit down and get on the computer when there aren't any customers I need to take care of. :wink:
And what your doing is breaking the FIRST rule of the forum. Let me make it faster for you, and paste it here for you.
1. Check if something hasn't been asked before
Some questions just keep popping up over and over. Please use the 'search' function in the menu above each and every page in the forum. Try entering a few keywords to see if your question has been asked before. If it has, please read the topics and see if you can figure it our from there.
(We acknowledge that part of the problem is that we never created a well-organized system of FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) documents. But then we're doing lots of cutting-edge stuff, and we'd rather build cool tools than work on perfecting FAQs.)

Talk about waste of bandwidth, weezy you are a waste. I guess 41 posts make you the big man here. I sure hope you have no interests in this web site or I would never have donated money. You are clearly wrong and to rebut as you did instead of offering help shows your integrity and willingness to help. It seems you are trying to be big man on campus, maybe in hopes to get some ware. That is not the way to do it so grow up. So when it comes to me and my posts let those that I give my money to tell me what to do here not you. As we tell people at work that try to have a say ware they do not belong" you do not sign my pay check". So weezy mind your own business.

You can get tempermental huh. I been here before you heard of Windows Mobile. It just that I switched to Treo because I was dealing with Palms at the time. I was just like you and doubted the search button. I didnt post the first I signed up here. Hey, if I didn't tell you about the search button, so one else would.
Hope you get your keyboard working :lol:
Hint, its with include in your search keyword : registry

zac123- have you found fix for key light timing - have a refurb 8125 for month and have same issue - pain in neck on train to work at 5am - have many questions and find no answers, need to post when have more time - have done extensive search on this site and others and find no fix - attempts to call phone mfgr from number given to me from my service provider are waste of time, calls go to S.Africa and have constant disconnects - keep up good work with questions, they bring out the insane and every site needs a good laugh - ask many questions and do not let the insane bother you, just laugh - need to register with pay pal when have time, want to donate - please reply

It right there in the wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweaks_Other
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout = 30 (DWORD decimal)
(This key only works on Wizard and Universal)

if you'd used the time to UTFS instead of flaming on weezy correcting your ignorance of forum ettiquete, you would have found the question had been asked dozens of times, but anyways, it won't work:
Change the keyboard backlight duration
To change the duration of the keyboard backlight, you can set (example is 30 seconds):
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout = 30 (DWORD decimal)
Please note that this may not work on some devices. One such notable exception is the HTC Wizard.
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Marcski said:
if you'd used the time to UTFS instead of flaming on weezy correcting your ignorance of forum ettiquete, you would have found the question had been asked dozens of times, but anyways, it won't work:
Change the keyboard backlight duration
To change the duration of the keyboard backlight, you can set (example is 30 seconds):
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout = 30 (DWORD decimal)
Please note that this may not work on some devices. One such notable exception is the HTC Wizard.
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I don't think it work on the 1.8 rom, what rom are you using? And Thank You Marcski

Weezy you are pretty smart, you new just ware to go with this. Zac123 should listen to you. I'm sorry about my post to zac123 about insane people. I wish i would have come back sooner to try your fix out. I been working on this for a month now, I will do it now. I alrady have PHM reg edit installed, this wll be easy. I chose New DWORD Value / value name I made QKeyLedTimeout and value I set to 30 and chose OK. Then it showes up under name as QKeyLedTimeout and under Data as 30(0x00001e) Unfortunately this did not fix the issue. i see that Marcski says it wont work, you guys are pretty smart. I guess it is time to give up. O well.... Maybe I will keep pestering cingular instead of you guys. Thanks any way weezy and Marcski.

Thanks, but I didn't find this registry edit. I remeber I used a cleaned rom, and it work, but I haven't applied the hack since I upgraded to the official 2.6 rom

I have a wizard with the 2.26 Molski ROM, but on earlier versions it didn't work either..

Thanks marcski, I made my self known at My service provider with this issue. We have a very large corporation that uses them so I have my corporate tek support rep checking for a firmware upgrade or something to fix this problem.I'm going to search here more now for a firmware upgrade, I read someware else there is an unofficial release of one. I hope I can find it, there is so much on this site and I have trouble with the search engine.

here's a hint to a good rom, its by molski.
Here's the link
http://www.molski.biz/
Or just go the Wizard Update forum, plenty of roms for the wizard and 8125. Search for mr clean rom to, its pretty.
I myself use the official t-mo rom 2.6
You can update the rom and do a hard reset, and when it get to the part where it say's "install customization" press the reset button on the side, and it won't install those ugly carrier customization

here's a hint to a good rom, its by molski.
Here's the link
http://www.molski.biz/
Or just go the Wizard Update forum, plenty of roms for the wizard and 8125. Search for mr clean rom to, its pretty.
I myself use the official t-mo rom 2.6
You can update the rom and do a hard reset, and when it get to the part where it say's "install customization" press the reset button on the side, and it won't install those ugly carrier customization

It's been a wile since my last post but i want to have some info so I could contribute something to this web site. I have researched extensively the keyboard light timing issue with the 8125 and I do not have good news. I have some phone numbers here that any one may use to call and check on there own about the info I am posting. I was on the phone for 65 minuts with a few different tech support agents wile they tested there own 8125's and researched the issue. They all said the light timing is controlled by a capassitor that once fired has a discharge rate of it's own that can no be controled by any firmware upgrade or registery entry. They said this then is a hardware issue therefore it ca not be addressed. These are the phone numbers; 713-774-7888 is for the main offices and 877-878-6944 was for opperational questions and 888-354-2375 was for repair and technical support. The last # was ware I got all this info today. So now I am going to put this issue to rest and just get used to the phone the way it is. I have been customizing it with different software, such as Handy Switcher- PocketPC Batter Monitor- Phm Registery Editor- IM-Pluss- SPB-Backup and WiFiFOFum wi-fi sniffer. I find all these programs very helpful, some I have already purchased and some I am waiting for another pay day. My next two projects are to find out why the first Hot Sync never works and comes up with an error making me unplug the phone and start over, then it syncs up fine. Then I need to find some king of Java application to install that will allow me to watch my live traffic cams like I did on my Treo 650. This has all been fun work so far.

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i will try to help as much as i am learning day by day as well and i encourage new members to search and read before and take a proactive approach in solving problems n such and learn day by day

Damnit! Some of us like flaming people
Good idea though, and I hope to be able to help...

yep, great idea, but will they ignore it, just like they ignore the rule called search?

rorydaredkign said:
yep, great idea, but will they ignore it, just like they ignore the rule called search?
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Probably! But we can hope someone notices this thread! (I mean the noobs, not just the senior members offering support)

OK, I'll give it a try then!
I'm looking for a program that intercepts incoming calls, just like S2U2 does, then displays the name, phone number and picture and has two large buttons accept or decline the call. I don't like the HTC dailer, it doesn't work for me..
I now use S2U2, but I don't need the sliding/locking part. Any suggestions?

brambk said:
OK, I'll give it a try then!
I'm looking for a program that intercepts incoming calls, just like S2U2 does, then displays the name, phone number and picture and has two large buttons accept or decline the call. I don't like the HTC dailer, it doesn't work for me..
I now use S2U2, but I don't need the sliding/locking part. Any suggestions?
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Are you only looking for apps or would skins do aswell?

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Are you only looking for apps or would skins do aswell?
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If a skin could fix it, that's ok too.
I found a picture of what it is I'm looking for:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

This is a great idea! I think the Mods should step in and make this one sticky. Then for every noobish thread, move them to the end of this thread to keep the forum clean.
Noobies may not immediately realize this is where they should ask questions, but Mods can help. Or change the rule a bit to someone has to make at least 10 posts or so before they can start add new topics?

brambk said:
OK, I'll give it a try then!
I'm looking for a program that intercepts incoming calls, just like S2U2 does, then displays the name, phone number and picture and has two large buttons accept or decline the call. I don't like the HTC dailer, it doesn't work for me..
I now use S2U2, but I don't need the sliding/locking part. Any suggestions?
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You should be able to turn off the sliding lock in S2U2 settings. In other words, turn off "Lock when device wakes up" and "Lock when backlight turns off."

brambk said:
If a skin could fix it, that's ok too.
I found a picture of what it is I'm looking for:
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In the S2U2 setting you can enable or disable one feature called: "Slide to asnwer"..
if you disable it it will work just as these 2 screens (these screens are from s2u2).. else it will work using the slide feature...
all good?
=D

mienh said:
You should be able to turn off the sliding lock in S2U2 settings. In other words, turn off "Lock when device wakes up" and "Lock when backlight turns off."
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ogabriel said:
In the S2U2 setting you can enable or disable one feature called: "Slide to asnwer"..
if you disable it it will work just as these 2 screens (these screens are from s2u2).. else it will work using the slide feature...
all good?
=D
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Thanks for both tips, I'll give it a try!

Very simple Profile Manager
I'm looking for a very simple profile manager (Nokia like), I need only to switch from "normal" to "meeting" or another or two custom profiles, then I need the possibility to choose for how many time, then, after this time, automatically switch back to normal.
I dont need to switch wifi or bluetooth on and off, only the possibility to change ring volume and/or switch vibration on and off.
Thanks, Andrea

WELL DONE...
Finally a great idea....
Why doesn't a mod stick this thread??
I mean... Not here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397610 but in the first page of "Development and Hacking" section.
Because surely noobs don't read the sticky rollup thread....

Excellent Idea
I plan to put this in my signature for sure. I may come here as well if I have a question, answer/resolution, or after thought. It's an excellent way many to give back to the community as well.

robosiris said:
I plan to put this in my signature for sure. I may come here as well if I have a question, answer/resolution, or after thought. It's an excellent way many to give back to the community as well.
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An other great idea!
Just done.....

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Probably! But we can hope someone notices this thread! (I mean the noobs, not just the senior members offering support)
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One Noob reporting for dutey sir

Let me try as well
I have been looking for a Calendar similar to iPhone. I am not an iphone fan. But I like the calendar, I mean their agenda view. I would like to have software which shows agenda view for a year or so. I am using today agenda which is good one but that shows only 30 days max. Dont ask me to try agenda fusion and the other huge applications I have tried them too heavy and complicated. I dont use most of thei funtionalities. What I am looking for is a simple program which can show agenda view for a year or may be more
THanks
jug

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In my opinion , I would def recomend Thumbcal. Type it in on google search, it is on here somewhere. Thats by far the most iPhone like calendar I've used, pluse it's pretty, it's functional, and No bugs, that I've noticed.
Also, I would really like to thank the noobys that have actually used this thread. That has saved four unneccisary threads from getting started already, and look how fast your questions got answered. If you would have made a new thread, then you would have just got flamed. I really hope more ppl support this thread, and the mods stick it. More noobs would see it, and therefore use it. Once they see how quick the replys are, then why wouldn't they. But thanks for the support, and I hope you keep it up, and get others involved. This is my cotribution to help clean up. Also , I'm going to start something new.
For every question that gets posted, and then gets answered, I will personally PM the person who asked , to let them know that its answered. I will check the site every night, and morning, and for sure do this. I hope this helps provoke more use. Thanks guys.

Possible new XDA feature set? Configuration Profiles per phone? (Ex: my T-mob Wing)

In my sigfile below, you can see what I am currently running on my T-Mobile Wing.
The XDA site, for a long time, has been incredible in terms of specific app development, ROMs, etc. But I am now looking for "the next step": Total configuration recommendations: specific recs on which apps to use together with which ROMs on a given device, to achieve a user's most important usability functions and requirements.
I am going to layout the current issues I have been having problems with, mention my priority requirements, and I'm seeking recs on a smart configuration suite that begins with the ROM, includes recs on the overall interface and app launcher, down to specific APP recommendations to best meet my needs.
I think it would be great to eventually create, for all phone models, a series of consumer-end-user "Configuration Profiles", so right now, this is a first request: Help me optimize my T-Mobile Wing for how I want to use it.
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My current configuration:
ROM: OpenTouch 6.5 by ttran001
INTERFACE & APPLICATION LAUNCHER: iFonz 1.1.2 by ssj5trunks
BASIC PHONECALL FUNCTIONS:supbro's iDialer + iContact (via larna)
SOFT KEYBOARD: PCM Keyboard by tene w/ iPhone theme by 2manyphones /
PRIMARY BROWSER: Opera Mini (strengths: Speed, lightweight. Weakness: data input is 2-step process; no copy & paste of web content)
SECONDARY BROWSERS: Opera Mobile (but for some reason the SIP is always overriding my preference, and going back to Windows soft keyboard). Skyfire (great for Youtube; lacks setting your own startpage URL), NetFront (I think their zoom/context scroller is fantastic)
MUSIC PLAYER: A_C's s2p
VIDEO PLAYER: for YouTube videos I use Skyfire Browser; otherwise YouTubePlay by milesmowbray
PHOTO VIEWER/EDITOR/SLIDESHOW A_C's s2v and HTC Album
FILE EXPLORER: Total Commander (has drag & drop!)
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I am having compatibility problems, and I can't seem to troubleshoot the conflict sources. So it's time for a new ROM install, and rebuild my suite of apps. I'm hoping I can get a few recs on ROMS, application launchers, dialers.
USABILITY REQUIREMENTS: I am a power user, but not a techie. I currently have been using iFonz, have liked it a lot. Large target areas for finger navigation is very impt to me, especially when driving. Any of the basic windows soft key areas, scrollbars, OK button, Top-bar icons are not big enough, creating for me constant flow of mistakes and "stalls" in completing just the baseline functions of "Speakerphone On/Off", Hide Keypad/Show keypad etc.
If I had my way I would never have to touch any aspect of the Windows Mobile Interface.. but alas, that is not yet a reality. But getting closer day by day, example: supbro just today released a "green button" app that ties his iDialer app to the windows default dialer. A major breakthrough in usability.
What's Impt to me and Not Impt to me: (for Recommendations' sake):
NOT IMPT: I never run games, don't care. Weather is nice, but not impt. SMS and MMS are lo priority for me, I rarely use them.
MOST IMPT:
1. Basic phone functions, that allow me to take the phone out of my pocket and not end up accidentally ending the call before even getting the phone to my ear. Similarly, not having something accidentally trigger DIALING A FRIEND's NUMBER, or last redial. Big large phone dialpad, with large phone number display, bullet-proof "speakerphone on/off", bullet-proof "SAVE TO CONTACTS" without all the windows mobile backflips of "select Save to Contacts" then do I press "NEW CONTACT" or what? Just terrible usability design. Easy to find REDIAL.
2. Contacts: Contact manager with THUMBNAIL PHOTOS list, jump to alphabet letter, LARGE target area for finger to tap-and-dial in 1-step, not going to a detail screen to select WHICH number, or do I want to send email or SMS.
3. MP3 player: big obvious target area for volume control, and timeline slider, next song, etc. Integration with hard keys for next song, pause, mute. (S2u2 already does this, but there are still some squirrely problems, which create that dreaded problem of wanting to turn it off asap but no, gotta do backflips to get to the interface.)
4. CLOSE ALL APPS: since the Wing has the crappy old processor of its predecessor (MDA), and limited RAM, there are always times when apps lock up, and you just want to close everthing
5. one-click WIFI ON/OFF -- I don't want to go through some cumbersome Communication Manager. When I get home to my network, or I am at a Starbucks and want to use Tmobile Hotspot, it should be a no-brainer: wifi is turned on, all available networks show by default, all in one step. Just as if I take my Macbook Pro to a cafe, click one icon, see all networks. To me it would be even greater if, when I was at a Tmobile Hotspot, 1 click would *turn on wifi, *launch Tmobile's hotspot utility
6. Voice Command, Handwriting SIP, and a bunch of other things.
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I'm hoping someone will take me up on this big-picture request. Thank you

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saving this space to come back and add some photos and videos that demonstrate the problems I want to solve.

You've been a member long enough to know that "Recommend a Rom" threads usually get closed.
You've done a good job listing what exactly you're looking for but still the title is along the lines of a noobie swooping in and asking for the best rom.
Where you do differ is that you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you're looking for but alas the thread title doesnt accurately reflect the depth of your post.
Honestly this sounds like the idea that launched a project. The question is will you step up and coordinate the project?
If so I would recommend you retitle this thread and take the concept to the next step.

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You've been a member long enough to know that "Recommend a Rom" threads usually get closed.
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Hey thanks for replying, kyphur. Honestly, I actually didn't know that... but hold on -- there are 2 reasons why is this. So I will explain, because my intention is not to break rules & protocols -- i have too much respect for this community:
(a) I'm actually not a regular here to see those patterns. I started with an MDA, learned how to use XDA-dev site to try to find answers, went through my initiation of asking dumb questions, getting slapped to "use search, damnit", found my way to understanding the cultuyre and rules.. but even after a year I was too scared to ever try a mod on my MDA. And it wasn't til I got my Wing that I finally jumped in to do the whole shebang -- from hardSPL, to ROM installation, etc. With great help from various members here, like papamopps. And once I get something working, I am not frequenting the site, other than for subscribed threads to Apps that are still in development that I am using -- like for example iContact and iDialer. Because I really rely upon my phone for work, and once it's doing what I need it to do, I generally am not cruising looking for "the next great thing".
I want to add, though, that inasmuch as it may sound as though I am merely a taker and not a giver, the way that I give is by donating to the app developers and ROM chefs whose products I have used. And if you ask A_C and ssj5trunks, for example, my donations are large -- as my best way to compensate back. Also, I volunteer to host websites, and for example A_C hosts part of his new site www.A2-s2.com with me -- and I am happy to be of service that way.
(b) The second reason I didn't explicitly know that was a rule here is because I tend to mostly be in the WING/Herald "silo" -- and there, the user Pureskillz is known for doing thorough Reviews of Roms -- which are amazing -- and I have asked before in threads in that section for recs on which ROM might be fastest for me to use to run iFonz, and I have gotten really helpful replies.
This is all quite different from a newbie parachuting in to say "hey guys, what should I use on my Wing, i want to have an iphone type of phone". So thank you for letting me know - i honestly did not know this was verboten
You've done a good job listing what exactly you're looking for but still the title is along the lines of a noobie swooping in and asking for the best rom.
Where you do differ is that you've obviously put a lot of thought into what you're looking for but alas the thread title doesnt accurately reflect the depth of your post.
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Gotcha. Okay, I will go rename it: How would this sound?
Request: Suggested Apps for configuring my T-Mobile Wing for specific functions
I don't know if that's any better... but
Honestly this sounds like the idea that launched a project. The question is will you step up and coordinate the project?
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Actually, this is exactly part of what I want to do, but on a "clean page" so as to give newbies an easier pathway IN to understanding what is even AVAILABLE to them. But my interest is in mainstream users, not so much in the tricked-out overclocked custom registry code-writing userbase. Because to me, the whole site in its entirety is geared for those users.
So yes, I am wanting to create a website that places a mainstream-friendly "front end" to this amazing knowledge-base. All links would be attributed and linked to the actual XDA threads. But I want to provide capsule summaries that help users understand where they are being sent, and how they should approach a "Release" thread... What they can expect, the protocols for asking for help, etc.
So yes, I have given a lot of thought to what I think, as a Usability and Information Designer, is a huge gap between mainstream phione users who are finding out about XDA for first time -- largely thru YouTube videos which kinda blow their minds -- because its functionality is so beyond what is marketed to them as possible via carriers like (in USA) T-Mobile, AT&T, etc -- and the ability to comprehend this site -- which is gargantuan in nature, and a maze of complexity for a newbie.
Let me give a very tangible example: I would bet you that probably less than 1% of the users of Windows Mobile in the USA, who are using for example, the T-Mobile Wing, have any idea at all that they can get for free GPS location tracking on their phones, right now, today, just by using Google Maps. It's not ever presented to users. So you have this huge population of people who have a truly awesome function available for their phones right now -- that they have no idea is the case.
I was just discussing this in San Francisco the other day with the Product Development Manager at Google for the Google Maps product line.
So: re stepping up to the plate: one of the parts I have in mind is to help facilitate the assembly of -- the creation of -- these "Configuration Profiles" which would seek to create common function-sets that certain types of users would likely say "YES, THAT ONE, that's matches the kinds of things I am looking for.
So, with that in mind, I wanted to try it out here, and see if this would be something users here would support as being worthwhile, or more of just a pain in the ass. And, the timing is such that I really have had more and more problems having my Wing function effectively, and I know from my own experiences that the selection of a ROM is really quite critical to building the suite of apps & functionality I desire.
If so I would recommend you retitle this thread and take the concept to the next step.
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I am fine with your deleting the thread if it really isn't appropriate for the site. I was looking very carefully for where to post this, and this seemed like the best place. What are your thoughts?
thank you.

@ quicksite
The concept sounds great. I agree with you in that many people want functionality but who dont have the technical knowledge, (or want it initially) but who wish to maximise their devices usefulness. They also may not want to risk damaging something they have just paid £500 for. How many times have i had my friends come upto me and say, how did you do that? can i have it? can you do it for me? haha....
Whilst some may say this is not in the spirit of xda as one should not venture into the depths of winmo without technical knowledge, i believe it adheres to its basic principles and that xda should continue in its evolvement (sorry my spelling is crap today); the more the members the greater the knowledge.
Whilst i only have a Polaris and Prophet, i would be interested in this dev project as it could encompass all devices. It would benefit xda in that noobies who dont or cant get to grasp with the technicalities have somewhere (one place) to "glorify" their device. I think once the new members have blinged their device, their interest and curiousity expands... "mm i wonder what else i can do". THis leads to further reading and learning and such new blood and knowledge can only be of benefit.
Count me in.

@quick site
Sounds like you want to either get into cooking your own rom, or should grab an ultralite rom and install everything you want.
You may want to try task facade for a task manager. everything pops up with a large screenshot and to close apps you just have to long hold them.
You can set task facade to a hardbutton (or if your hardbuttons are all full you can use hbutton which allows you to map several programs to one key)

An introductory video example: to orient a new user
timmymarsh said:
@ quicksite
The concept sounds great. I agree with you in that many people want functionality but who dont have the technical knowledge, (or want it initially) but who wish to maximise their devices usefulness. They also may not want to risk damaging something they have just paid £500 for. How many times have i had my friends come upto me and say, how did you do that? can i have it? can you do it for me? haha....
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Thanks for replying. ... Here's the video I recently added to YouTube just to show in a non-technical way WHAT one could do on their T-Mobile Wing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSc0Qz8tf_c
As I told the Google Maps Mobile product manager, I don't think a tiny fraction of people know about the GPS functioning just via Google Maps usage. This video would not appeal to the vast majority of XDA Members, however, because it is meant to be a soft-introduction to "outsiders", vs an information-packed walk-through or installation guide.
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Whilst some may say this is not in the spirit of xda as one should not venture into the depths of winmo without technical knowledge, i believe it adheres to its basic principles and that xda should continue in its evolvement (sorry my spelling is crap today); the more the members the greater the knowledge.
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My area of professional expertise is usability design, consumer content design, information design. I spent over a year getting the feel of XDA site before I jumped in to try to mod my Wing. I learned the culture, realized there were LOTS of preliminary things which I had no idea about, and had to first assemble a macro knowledge set up: what is Hardl SPL, what is an RUU, what is a radio rom, does a ROM have Windows Mobile OS in it? If so, Is it a legal license? what does "brick my phone" mean? ... I went to the Herald wiki, I saw guides for noobs to read, I read them, but then circular questions like: "Be sure to read XXXXX's great guide to flashing"... So I read this guide, many of them, and they'll say "be sure to make sure whether you have version x or version y; if X, never Hard SPL, if Y, it's okay; then a thread "Hard SPL working on WING!", then more guides how to Hard SPL your phone. Then you're supposed to pick a ROM.
If you ask for advice, you're told "start reading; everyone has different needs". SO you read up, use search, end up on a thread you think applies to ROMS for your phone, only to be 12 pages into the thread before you grasp the concept that this thread and this ROM is only for an HTC Himalaya. ANd it's completely irrelevant to my quest.
But senior people here would say "It's obvious, you were in the wrong area; look at the wiki, it has a list of phones, only search for ROMS for that phone"... but some ROMS are for many phones. Anyone, this is nothing new to those experienced with XDA. And I understand the frustration of senior members who keep posting stickies to help Newbies prep properly and not just dive in to ask "how do I get iphone on by HTC Touch?" etc.
But as can be seen very clearly from THIS SEMINAL THREAD, "Let People Ask Whatever They Like", that there is a culture "war" developing on XDA between those who feel adamantly: this site is for tinkerers, and if you've come just to get "kewl" stuff for your phone, you're in the wrong place. While other senior members are adamantly in the other corner of "why not help people? So what if they ask stupid questions? Just move on, ignore them, you don't need to chastise everyone."
Whilst i only have a Polaris and Prophet, i would be interested in this dev project as it could encompass all devices. It would benefit xda in that noobies who dont or cant get to grasp with the technicalities have somewhere (one place) to "glorify" their device. I think once the new members have blinged their device, their interest and curiousity expands... "mm i wonder what else i can do". THis leads to further reading and learning and such new blood and knowledge can only be of benefit.
Count me in.
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This is nice to hear. The biggest problem with any knowledge base is in formation design. Despite the wiki, despite the sticky threads, despite the SIG LINES with links to Help Guides, despite the warnings, it is my professional opinion that this spectacular knowledge-base called XDA-Developers, is like a big tinker-toy project with new arms constantly being added, and nodes that even everyday users don't even know about, because they are specialized areas for particular phones etc. And now there is a whole new initiative ( A GREAT ONE!) to develop for the Android platform.
To me, creating some landing pages that help orient newcomers without overloading them with a huge maze of a dense site -- helps everyone:
* for sure helps the newbie
* helps the senior members (who will see yet another 100 threads open per day with same old new questions) from having to constantly look at "101" type questions.
* helps the software authors in getting donations for their works by more easily shuttling newcomers to the specific kinds of apps they have been looking for.
I think we are seeing a crossroads right now, with the launch of the Apple Apps store, the Android Apps store, Blackberry's store, and Windows' expected entry (what's it called, Skyapps ?)... Critical mass has now been reached in the marketplace for owners of toucscreen devices to now embrace specialized apps and functions that fit specific needs, and manufacturers and carriers are finally figuring this out. XDA sits is a very unusual place amongst all this, given the open-source spirited "knowledge-share & donate" philosophy of the site. I think there will be longtime veteran members here who will not be happy with influxes of even MORE news trying to get the latest & greatest. I just believe the dam has broken, and it might be good to filter newcomers and orient them (my interest), vs having them flood in and irritate the **** out of the people who built this community...
Sorry for the lenghts of these posts. I'm just wanting to be clear.

joel2009 said:
@quick site
Sounds like you want to either get into cooking your own rom, or should grab an ultralite rom and install everything you want.
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Thanks. Yes, that's what I have done to date. I started with a PapaMopps ROM, then moved to an OpenTouch ROM, and now am trying to consider WHICH ultralite woud work best for my configuration. It's these snags like dialers that confound me. AND which topbar is overriding another -- for exmaple, when iFonz is in use, it overrides the top bar with access to windows start logo, etc.
You may want to try task facade for a task manager. everything pops up with a large screenshot and to close apps you just have to long hold them.
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Thank you for the rec. i will search for Task Facade.
I also just found WkTask from a thread here at XDA -- and tried it out. Now THAT's what I'm looking for... but again, it's the conflcit with apps or interfaces that overlay that top bar so that it is not a constant.
You can set task facade to a hardbutton (or if your hardbuttons are all full you can use hbutton which allows you to map several programs to one key)
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Ahh, I never new until now about Hbutton. That's exactly what I need! I will search for it too. I am guessing it is context sensitive -- and offers a different default action depending on which app is the one in use?
thanks very much.

@ quicksite
Assume you are going to set up your own site for this project or is this something you are going to do on xda? im interested in assisting in this in which ever direction you want this to go, so let me know and i will find some time and buy some more coffee....

I'm not sure quite what you want to achieve, but I think what you want is a less technical (i.e. suitable for normal people) way to access the information here.
This sub forum was brought about because it was decided that new users probably wouldn't have a huge technical knowledge, so it woul be better to let them ask about "what's x" somewhere where people want to help rather than hack. So in a sense, this sub forum goes part way to achieving that.

Suitable Finger-Friendly Finance programs for the HD2

Guys,
For several years I have been using IneSoft's Cash Organizer and until the purchase of my HD2, Cash Organizer has served me very well.
However, with the HD2 the marriage is now in tatters.....
The problem is with viewing transactions.
Basically, if you wish to view a particular transaction stored what you used to do was swipe your finger to scroll through the list or use a stylus on the scroll bar to the right.
Even with a large database of transactions you could easily locate a particular transaction by moving the page slowly either up or down.
However, with the HD2's capacitive screen you can't 'finger swipe' the screen.
The only way to manoeuvre through a long list is to use the thick scroll bar to the right.
It is here however lays the problem.....
With a large database of transactions the slightest of movement either up/down causes the list to jump not a few transactions at a time but several pages.
As such it is neigh on impossible to scroll to a particular transaction.
So....... I'm here tonight to ask what 'Finance Software' do you guys use or recommend?
Bearing in mind it obviously has to be 'finger-friendly'.
Thanks in advance.
Beards

glad to read this
i have toying with buying the hd2 but also worried about program compatibility. i have used cash organizer sense it's release. i was wondering how it work with the leo. now i know, and will to reconsider buying the hd2.

o!!!! Cash Organizer also have problem...!????
I'm using spb finance, but there's problem on the pull-down menu, escalated to spb, but seems no one show me till now...
http://spbclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30255
Workaround now is use my previous Xperia X1 for spb finance together with HD2

just a thought, have you mentioned it to Inesoft?
they may have an easy fix for it..

fards said:
just a thought, have you mentioned it to Inesoft?
they may have an easy fix for it..
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Ohh Yes.... and THAT is only the start of it.
Basically, I started a topic on the IneSoft forum on the 18 Nov asking for support.
This fell to total silence and then I noticed another member posted asking for the same.
As nothing further developed I 'bumped' the topic by asking again.....
Once again nothing...
Then the other poster made another request and yet again nothing.
Then all of a sudden both the posters requests and my requests disappeared.
So, we both re-posted material requests and these again were both deleted.
It was now at this point the other poster requested the Moderator stop deleting our posts and concentrate on giving a reply.
I myself posted the same... After all, there had been no flaming or offensive derogatory remarks.... Just pure frustration.
I also made a point of mentioning in the post on this occasion I had taken a 'snapshot' of the topic and had the entire topic saved.
Guess what......
..
..
..
Yes, they deleted both mine and the other posters posts AGAIN.
So..... if it were not for the fact Cash Organizer means so much to me I doubt I would continue to support IneSoft.
However, I have now written to powers outside of the Forum asking for an investigation.
I await a response.

I have no answer for you but I shall watch this thread carefully as I'm a long-term SPB Finance user.
Unfortunately, this app seems "dormant" / "dead" in terms of ongoing development - last release was January 2008. But, why change something that works well - on a HD "classic" SPB Finance is super - on the HD2, however, it's a nightmare!
With care the app is useable but hardly one to recommend for the HD2.
Guess I'll just have to wait for a new finance app in the Market Place (ho ho ho !)

Guys,
fards sent me a P.M. earlier on with a suggestion to try and use the small application VolDpad.
I am totally ecstatic to report the use of this small app has given the control I had lost.
Granted, it does not give 'finger-scrolling' or 'swiping' but what it has done is allowed me to run the application whenever I load Cash Organizer and use the Vol Up/Down as a scroll Up/Down.
I can once again scroll through transactions singular and not several pages at a time using the thick scroll bar on the right of Cash Organizer's screen.
fards,
If you are reading this....
My sincere thanks to you.
I owe you one.
I have also Donated to VolDpad's author.
This has gone through PayPal and has been accepted.
Please see here.
Thanks again..... truly appreciated.
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fards said:
just a thought, have you mentioned it to Inesoft?
they may have an easy fix for it..
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Beards said:
Ohh Yes.... and THAT is only the start of it.
Basically, I started a topic on the IneSoft forum on the 18 Nov asking for support.
This fell to total silence and then I noticed another member posted asking for the same.
As nothing further developed I 'bumped' the topic by asking again.....
Once again nothing...
Then the other poster made another request and yet again nothing.
Then all of a sudden both the posters requests and my requests disappeared.
So, we both re-posted material requests and these again were both deleted.
It was now at this point the other poster requested the Moderator stop deleting our posts and concentrate on giving a reply.
I myself posted the same... After all, there had been no flaming or offensive derogatory remarks.... Just pure frustration.
I also made a point of mentioning in the post on this occasion I had taken a 'snapshot' of the topic and had the entire topic saved.
Guess what......
..
..
..
Yes, they deleted both mine and the other posters posts AGAIN.
So..... if it were not for the fact Cash Organizer means so much to me I doubt I would continue to support IneSoft.
However, I have now written to powers outside of the Forum asking for an investigation.
I await a response.
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As I mentioned in the quote from me above, I wrote directly to IneSoft asking them to investigate why both wampots and my posts were being deleted from the IneSoft Forum.
This morning I received a reply back from the Director at IneSoft:-
Hello Mike,
I apologize for what happened.
I'll check the causes of the incident.
Please write to me what problem you are concerned about our products. I promptly answer you personally.
Once again I offer you my apologies for such practices.
Kim Tkhe Sik
Director
Inesoft.com
At last, someone whom may listen and take action.
I'll let you know how this develops.
Beards.

Member br3nt came up with an interesting option to try.
Here's what was mentioned:-
was going through Reg and found this, don't know if it relevant but saw you guys mentioned biotouch...
HKLM\Software\HTC\Biotouch\Disable4SpecificApp\Res coExplorer
and there we find Resco, dont know if this helps you anything though, maybe you can play around and create new settings for your financial app - or I've just misunderstood everything
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I had a look in the registry but couldn't make out what I had to do to either change or add an extra line.
If anyone can think of an idea I am open to try it.
Thanks.

Can you make a screenshot of that page?
With Resco registry normaly you have to create a value with the app name.exe (without exe). That means you have to add extra lines of the programs.
There are 4 values to choose. You can try everyone of them and see if the \RescoExplorer has the same icon, with the one you made. Most of time is a string value. Try it!
Resco explorer use its owen biotouch system to scroll. If Resco explorer scrolling working, maybe this one will work too.
If the cappacitive problem can be solved with this little trick, it would be awesome!
The only thing that stopps me now to buy a HD2, is the cappacitive screen. And use cash organiser since many years too.

katerini said:
Can you make a screenshot of that page?
With Resco registry normaly you have to create a value with the app name.exe (without exe). That means you have to add extra lines of the programs.
There are 4 values to choose. You can try everyone of them and see if the \RescoExplorer has the same icon, with the one you made. Most of time is a string value. Try it!
Resco explorer use its owen biotouch system to scroll. If Resco explorer scrolling working, maybe this one will work too.
If the cappacitive problem can be solved with this little trick, it would be awesome!
The only thing that stopps me now to buy a HD2, is the cappacitive screen. And use cash organiser since many years too.
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Although I have found the location where the Biotouch section lays I would not know where to start in adding items to the registry.
Obviously I need to add a line but what and where?
If there were a value you could change from 0 to 1 that would not be a problem but what I read makes no sense.

Did you try this ?
>>> http://www.thefrogsoft.com/en/MobileEconomistFeatures.aspx

Zepiii said:
Did you try this ?
>>> http://www.thefrogsoft.com/en/MobileEconomistFeatures.aspx
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Thanks but no....
I have many years of transactions built with Cash Organizer plus 'when' it works it works in a very professional and clear manner.
The one you kindly mention looks a bit too basic plus I wouldn't be able to import all those years of data.
Thanks again, I truly appreciate your post but it's not for me.
Hope you understand.

Why don`t you make a screeshot of that reg page? Where the Rescoexplorer is.
I don't have a HD2, but i want to understand why is so difficould for you to add an application in there

katerini said:
Why don`t you make a screeshot of that reg page? Where the Rescoexplorer is.
I don't have a HD2, but i want to understand why is so difficould for you to add an application in there
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Many thanks again for coming back on this... appreciated.
Re The screenshot ~ I would need to obtain an app that would allow me to do so but would be happy once I have located such application.
Re The difficulty in not adding to the registry ~ I am a surgeon by profession.
I do not confess to having a greater understanding, whereby to add detail in the registry other than changing Enable 0's to 1's is my present limit.
It may be a simple step but I unfortunately have never found the time to learn the intricacies of registry hacking.
What I can do is copy all that is in the Biotouch folder... Would that help?

What icon does it have in the folder "Disable4SpecificApp" at the front of resco explorer?
If it is "ab", then press menu/new/string value
If it is "m", then press menu/new/multi Line string value
if it is "011110" then press menu/new/binary value
if it is "D" then press menu/new/DWORD Value
Try to modify the exist entry with rescoexplorer and tell us what does it say

katerini said:
What icon does it have in the folder "Disable4SpecificApp" at the front of resco explorer?
If it is "ab", then press menu/new/string value
If it is "m", then press menu/new/multi Line string value
if it is "011110" then press menu/new/binary value
if it is "D" then press menu/new/DWORD Value
Try to modify the exist entry with rescoexplorer and tell us what does it say
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It is "ab".
I pressed the New String and that brings up "Name" & String".
What do I add here?
Sorry but do not understand your comment ~ "Try to modify the exist entry with rescoexplorer and tell us what does it say".

Press and hold the rescoexplorer entry and it apears a window. The first option i s modify. What does it say by name and string?

katerini said:
Press and hold the rescoexplorer entry and it apears a window. The first option i s modify. What does it say by name and string?
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If you are talking of the ab (Default) icon it simply says:-
(value not set)
Press & Hold then brings up:-
String Value
Name: (Default)
String: Blank
Whereas inside the Resco Explorer Folder there are two icons:-
ab (Default) value not set
ab ClassName TouchListCtrl

I can not undertand what you are saying.
Please extract the reg enty rescoexplorer and upload here

[BETA] Quizzer

Hey everyone,
a user from the android-hilfe.de forum mentioned the idea of an app that i found very interesting. I then started implementing stuff and here i want to present you the first usable beta version of the app.
It is a community quiz. You can post quiz questions, other users answer them and place their bid on their answer. At the end you close the question with the correct answer and everyone is rewarded according to their bids.
Please help beta testing that app. Please note that in this very first beta, no work has been done for layout and design. See it as a functional prototype. Although i would be very thankful for design/layout ideas, maybe some even wants to help me?
I'm really looking forward to your feedback
Here is the link to a simple beta page that i hacked together: http://quizzer-android.appspot.com
And of course the corresponding QR code:
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PS: Added some screenshots

added some screenshots...

FC on clicking questions.
Galaxy S, Darky's 9.5 Froyo

Goddchen said:
I'm really looking forward to your feedback
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good concept for an app, will probably be pretty fun when its finished, but right now the app is extremely unstable, sometimes it just exits right after I opened it, it always force closes when it tries to load the "by date" list in the "list of questions" section. The "by potsize" list usually works though that sometimes crashes too, in addition to all that the app seems to sometimes crash at completely random times.
In running the app on the LG Optimus 2x Phone, running CM7 Nightly build 21.
ps: on the registration part of the app, you only ask for the password once, its pretty common to ask for the password twice to avoid people mistyping the password, this does't really bother me that much but when you are typing on the android virtual keyboard it pretty easy to mistype something and not notice it, before you try to login to your app account.
ps2: If you don't mind me asking, I'm a bit curious about how you store account information, do you store the email & password in plain text? or do you hash & salt them? I'm just curious because I don't like to use services that doesn't protect their user data properly.

There was a FC-bug when displaying a question without any tag. Please reinstall with the new version (same url).

I think once there are a wider range of questions it will be better (I know thatis on us, the users) .
I am also interested in knowing how my information is being stored.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

It takes time for me to make up all the false answers to make funnier quizzes.
It allowed 0 QZR for a bid.
Admob area's size need to be fixed.
Anyway, I will love it when it's all finished.

Goddchen said:
I'm really looking forward to your feedback
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gmail seems to categorize your emails as spam, just thought you would like to know.
oh and btw, not to be rude or anything but it would be nice if you could actually give us some kinda response to the feedback we have given you instead of just completely ignoring it.

Hey everybody,
it has been two busy days for me, unfortunately not two busy Android days... I really thank you for you feedback so far and i am excitingly reading through the notification mails as they arrive. I just didn't have the time to answer or even code on the project.
@mikael, is this really the level you want continue this conversation? I do also have a reallife besides Android, sorry. Did you ever try to get one of your cars throught german TÜV? Then you know what is was doing the past two days...
I'll get back to you guys tomorrow and answer all the questions
Goddchen

Goddchen said:
@mikael, is this really the level you want continue this conversation? I do also have a reallife besides Android, sorry. Did you ever try to get one of your cars throught german TÜV? Then you know what is was doing the past two days...
Goddchen
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sorry, as I said it was not meant as an insult, I do understand that you probably have other non android related stuff to do, It just that when you posted a post after I posted my feedback without responding at all, it seemed like you were intentionally ignoring my feedback, but if thats not he case then sorry I misunderstood you, I'm usually a pretty nice guy so please don't get the wrong idea, I have nothing against you or anything like that.

Ok guys, here we go
Sorry that i weren't able to respond in the past two days, you already know why It was hard to find the time to fix that annoying FC bug when opening the questions list but i thought that was more important at that time then responding here since it renders the app useless.
Ok let's start
FC on clicking questions.
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Should be fixed in the current version
good concept for an app, will probably be pretty fun when its finished, but right now the app is extremely unstable, sometimes it just exits right after I opened it, it always force closes when it tries to load the "by date" list in the "list of questions" section. The "by potsize" list usually works though that sometimes crashes too, in addition to all that the app seems to sometimes crash at completely random times.
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There was an additional bug in the update code for the header of the main screen. Hopefully that is fixed now too and you won't experience those random FCs.
ps: on the registration part of the app, you only ask for the password once, its pretty common to ask for the password twice to avoid people mistyping the password, this does't really bother me that much but when you are typing on the android virtual keyboard it pretty easy to mistype something and not notice it, before you try to login to your app account.
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Good idea, will definitely integrate it
If you don't mind me asking, I'm a bit curious about how you store account information, do you store the email & password in plain text? or do you hash & salt them? I'm just curious because I don't like to use services that doesn't protect their user data properly.
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The password is hashed on your phone so that it never get's transmitted over the network in plain text and i can't see your plaintext password either. The email is stored as plaintext so that i can send you a mail if anything important is going on (like yesterdays mail about that critical bugfix). The backend of the app is hosted on GoogleAppEngine by the way. Feel free to suggest any other strategies on storing or transmitting values. The values that are stored for a user are: your activation token, an active flag, answer count, question count, key of your avatar in the gae blogstore, mail, nickname, pass (hash), and your QZRs.
It allowed 0 QZR for a bid.
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damn, thanks for the note.
Admob area's size need to be fixed.
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What do you mean?
gmail seems to categorize your emails as spam, just thought you would like to know.
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damn, will have a look at this. They arrive just fine in my gmail inbox.
And a question from my side:
I have also implement a function for sending mass in-app notifications (appear on your notification screen in the app). Which way to be informed about critical updates do you prefer? mail or in-app notification. In one of the next versions i will add an optional background service that shows incoming notification on the phone's notification bar, too.
Looking forward to read your responses Goddchen

Goddchen said:
Looking forward to read your responses Goddchen
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as for the admob thing I'm guessing what todayist meant was that when the ad placeholder was displayed in the the top of your app it was wider than the app itself which allowed you to scroll within the admob object, but this only seems to happens with the placeholder ad, real ads seems to work as they should.
as for the notification thing I don't mind getting them by email, but there are a lot of people that probably do mind that, so if I were you I'd implement some preference thing that allowed a user to choose between email notifications and in app notifications.
I also have a couple of questions/feature requests:
first of all I think it would be nice it the person that has created a question would be able to actually see what people have answered on the question, that would be useful information to see whether or not the question was to hard or too easy.
in addition I'm wondering how you are going to stop people from screwing around with the questions, because as it is right now, you rely on the people creating questions to actually include and choose the right answer, somebody could easily screw people by simply choosing the wrong answer as the right answer, doing that could probably also be used cheat.
I also think that when a question is closed the users that answered on that question should be able to see what the right answer was, maybe you could even add a "report wrong answer" button that, if enough people pressed it would make a mod check whether the answer was actually correct, and if it wan't the people answering on the question should be refunded the game money that they bet on the question.
I know that would probably be a bit complicated but it would decrease the problem of people cheating by choosing the wrong answer as the right answer.
in addition to all that I have a question, its pretty obvious that acquiring QZRs is pretty important in this game (you even plan to allow people to buy QZRs using paypal and in-app purchase) but my question is, what is the point of the QZRs right now they can only be used to place bets, do you plan on adding some kind of store or reward stuff that can only be bught/unlocked by using QZR?

as for the admob thing I'm guessing what todayist meant was that when the ad placeholder was displayed in the the top of your app it was wider than the app itself which allowed you to scroll within the admob object, but this only seems to happens with the placeholder ad, real ads seems to work as they should.
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strange i have set a max height now so that this shouldn't happen again
as for the notification thing I don't mind getting them by email, but there are a lot of people that probably do mind that, so if I were you I'd implement some preference thing that allowed a user to choose between email notifications and in app notifications.
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In latest dev version a setting has been added to the profile to choose between notification/mail/both
I also have a couple of questions/feature requests:
first of all I think it would be nice it the person that has created a question would be able to actually see what people have answered on the question, that would be useful information to see whether or not the question was to hard or too easy.
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available in beta2 a pie chart with the answers and their counts
in addition I'm wondering how you are going to stop people from screwing around with the questions, because as it is right now, you rely on the people creating questions to actually include and choose the right answer, somebody could easily screw people by simply choosing the wrong answer as the right answer, doing that could probably also be used cheat.
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Good point. But to solve this? Forcing the set the correct answer on question creation? Any other ideas?
I also think that when a question is closed the users that answered on that question should be able to see what the right answer was, maybe you could even add a "report wrong answer" button that, if enough people pressed it would make a mod check whether the answer was actually correct, and if it wan't the people answering on the question should be refunded the game money that they bet on the question.
I know that would probably be a bit complicated but it would decrease the problem of people cheating by choosing the wrong answer as the right answer.
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displaying the correct answer on closed questions is available in beta2. I'm working on the report button
in addition to all that I have a question, its pretty obvious that acquiring QZRs is pretty important in this game (you even plan to allow people to buy QZRs using paypal and in-app purchase) but my question is, what is the point of the QZRs right now they can only be used to place bets, do you plan on adding some kind of store or reward stuff that can only be bught/unlocked by using QZR?
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Not sure how to do it exactly but in the future i'd like to give users additional benefits for their QZRs besides being on top of the leaderboard. Any ideas how to do it?
I really wanna thank you for your feedback. It has helped me a lot in the development for beta2. And i will make sure that most if not all of it will be available in beta3
Goddchen

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I really wanna thank you for your feedback. It has helped me a lot in the development for beta2. And i will make sure that most if not all of it will be available in beta3
Goddchen
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no problem
I do actually have some feedback about beta2 as well, primarily its seems like a good update, but there are still some things that bother me, first of all, after the beta2 update one of my questions seems to have become corrupted somehow.
The question I'm referring to is the "is the official name of android 3.1 icecream sandwich" question that I created under the user name mikael. The question has 2 answers, "True" and "False", but after the beta2 update my question now has 3 answers according to the pi-chart, the new option that suddenly appeared was "" in other word an empty string, currently 1 person has answered True, one has answered False, and 6 has answered "", which confused me since "" is not actually something you can select when you answer the question.
But I figured that out when I tried to close the answer, if I try to close the answer while the False otpion is selected the confirmation dialgue asks if I want to select "null" as the correct answer, the same happens if I try to select True as an answer, in other words both the true and the false answer point to the null string, which means that If anyone anwered the question after this bug occured their answer would be registered as null, instead of the option they actually selected, which expalins why 6 people apperantly answered "null". I have no idea what caused that bug, but I'm guessing its a database issue of some kind, so it something you will have to take a look at.
other than that I have another complaint, and I know that this is intentional but I think that allowing questions to stay live infinitely until they are closed is a bad idea, primarily because a lot of the questions seems to have been abandoned completely which means that everybody that answered on those questions basically just threw their game money away.
I think there should some time limit to when you have to close your question, something like 1 week or perhaps one month if you think that one week is too short. I have currently answered 7 questions on your app but only 2 of them has been closed, the other questions seem to have been abandoned by the question creator.
other than that though the app seems pretty good, I really appreciate the hard work you are putting into this app and I hope I don't put too much work on your shoulders with all of my complaints, questions and feature requests.

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I do actually have some feedback about beta2 as well, primarily its seems like a good update, but there are still some things that bother me, first of all, after the beta2 update one of my questions seems to have become corrupted somehow.
The question I'm referring to is the "is the official name of android 3.1 icecream sandwich" question that I created under the user name mikael. The question has 2 answers, "True" and "False", but after the beta2 update my question now has 3 answers according to the pi-chart, the new option that suddenly appeared was "" in other word an empty string, currently 1 person has answered True, one has answered False, and 6 has answered "", which confused me since "" is not actually something you can select when you answer the question.
But I figured that out when I tried to close the answer, if I try to close the answer while the False otpion is selected the confirmation dialgue asks if I want to select "null" as the correct answer, the same happens if I try to select True as an answer, in other words both the true and the false answer point to the null string, which means that If anyone anwered the question after this bug occured their answer would be registered as null, instead of the option they actually selected, which expalins why 6 people apperantly answered "null". I have no idea what caused that bug, but I'm guessing its a database issue of some kind, so it something you will have to take a look at.
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That bug got introduced in beta2 and fixed in beta2.1 update. I'm really sorry.
other than that I have another complaint, and I know that this is intentional but I think that allowing questions to stay live infinitely until they are closed is a bad idea, primarily because a lot of the questions seems to have been abandoned completely which means that everybody that answered on those questions basically just threw their game money away.
I think there should some time limit to when you have to close your question, something like 1 week or perhaps one month if you think that one week is too short. I have currently answered 7 questions on your app but only 2 of them has been closed, the other questions seem to have been abandoned by the question creator.
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Yeah that really is a big problem that is bothering me for days now. beta3 (which will be released today) introduces the 3 other limit types (days, date, answers). Those will be fine and exactly what you are explaining. I am unsure if i should keep the unlimited option in the app. Do you think it would be a good idea to remove it completely?
other than that though the app seems pretty good, I really appreciate the hard work you are putting into this app and I hope I don't put too much work on your shoulders with all of my complaints, questions and feature requests.
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You are not putting too much work on my shoulders. I am happy about every feedback that i can get. Keep up giving me work!
Goddchen

Yesterday i was thinking about how to make the release to the market. I want the beta testers to have a bonus for their work and help. So this is what i have come up with for a possible release to the android market:
Reset all beta tester accounts
Give all beta tester accounts 50 bonus QZRs
Remove all answers from all questions
Keep the questions so that there are some initial release questions
Make those questions owned by my account so that abandoned questions won't be a problem.
Do you have any suggestions to this?
Goddchen

Just uploaded beta3
http://quizzer-android.appspot.com/

Goddchen said:
Yesterday i was thinking about how to make the release to the market. I want the beta testers to have a bonus for their work and help. So this is what i have come up with for a possible release to the android market:
Reset all beta tester accounts
Give all beta tester accounts 50 bonus QZRs
Remove all answers from all questions
Keep the questions so that there are some initial release questions
Make those questions owned by my account so that abandoned questions won't be a problem.
Do you have any suggestions to this?
Goddchen
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sounds pretty good to me, but if you are expecting a lot of new users and questions after making the app available on the market then wouldn't it be a good idea to get some extra moderators to moderate the questions? Maybe you should pick some of the beta testers to be mods. thats your choice though, other than that I can't think of anything else to do before you put the app on the market.
oh and btw I am still receiving "null" answers on some of my questions which probably means that there are still someone who use the old app, would it be possible to somehow block "null" answers on the server side, so that so that people who still use the old version would not be able to submit answers without updating the app.

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sounds pretty good to me, but if you are expecting a lot of new users and questions after making the app available on the market then wouldn't it be a good idea to get some extra moderators to moderate the questions? Maybe you should pick some of the beta testers to be mods. thats your choice though, other than that I can't think of anything else to do before you put the app on the market.
oh and btw I am still receiving "null" answers on some of my questions which probably means that there are still someone who use the old app, would it be possible to somehow block "null" answers on the server side, so that so that people who still use the old version would not be able to submit answers without updating the app.
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Good point, i just pushed the update to the server, "" is now not allowed anymore.
Good point with the moderators. I can use any help Anyone interested?
Greets, Goddchen

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Good point, i just pushed the update to the server, "" is now not allowed anymore.
Good point with the moderators. I can use any help Anyone interested?
Greets, Goddchen
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I wouldn't mind helping you I have plenty of free time and as you have probably noticed I'm a pretty tech-savy guy, so I think I would be a pretty good moderator.