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Hello all.
I own an HTC Fuze and I'm crazy about it. I'm really glad I decided to go with it over an iPhone.
I have two e-mail accounts, both of which I access via a webmail interface because I don't like having my e-mails downloaded onto a computer. I'd much rather be able to access them anywhere, and have the protected in case of a computer crash. In addition to accessing my e-mail via web interface, I also like to have my phone check for new e-mails and download them (without deleting them from the e-mail server). That way if I'm away from a computer I can have access to all my e-mails, but those same e-mails are still sitting safely on the e-mail server.
My primary e-mail is a premium membership Yahoo account. My secondary e-mail, which a very distant second in importance and frankly I could live without, is through a private web hosting company that I have a website on.
I set up my Fuze to access both of those e-mail accounts using the e-mail client that comes installed on it. Initially I set up both accounts to be checked for new e-mails every 30 minutes. The problem is, with two e-mail accounts being checked every half hour each, the drain on the device's battery life is considerable (I have the e-mail client set to download all e-mails in their entirety including attachments).
Is there a way (via a different set-up option, a 3rd-party e-mail client, or whatever) that I can have my two e-mail servers notify my phone when there is pending e-mail rather than have my phone constantly reaching out and checking for e-mail that might not even be there and draining down my battery?
On a semi-related note, the area I live in for some reason does not yet have 3G. A town about 8 miles from here has 3G, so I assume it's "coming soon." So another side effect of the way my e-mail is set up is that if someone tries to call me while my phone is checking for e-mails they get shunted right to voice mail and I miss the call.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Jamie
Jamie,
I'm pretty much in the same situation as you (2 accounts, battery drain, 3G coming soon). The only solution I found was a combination of :
1) Primary email account to be checked frequently (5 mins - 10 mins interval)
2) Secondary email account to be checked once a day (or perhaps every 4 hours)
3) Charge often (I have a USB cable connected at my office desk), ignoring effect on battery life
4) Manually turn off email checking (or reduce frequency) during the night and weekends, so as to get freedom from charging
The problem is bad, and I'm seriously considering getting a cheap blackberry to handle emails (especially primary account) and leaving my Fuze/Touch Pro to be my main phone/messaging/surfing device.
On the other issue, I don't face that problem. If a call comes in while my phone is checking email, the data connection is dropped and instead the voice call comes through. The difference though, is that I don't have any voice mail...
Hope that helps.
CUGWMUI
I have been using a program called Seven ( www.seven.com ) to take care of e-mails. It is a program that pushes your e-mails to your mobile outlook. I use it with gmail although yahoo also appears to be supported. From what I understand, maintaining a constant data connection with push is actually less battery intensive and uses less data than signing on every 15 minutes or so to do a scheduled check.
I used to use IMAP instead of POP with gmail and that took care of the problem of e-mails getting taken off the server. I believe that Seven uses IMAP as well because its function seems to be the same. Any e-mails I read on the phone are marked as read on the server and vice versa. I believe you can set it to not delete from the server if you delete an e-mail on the phone, but I honestly do not delete e-mails from my phone. On its own and also with Seven, Pocket Outlook can be set to only show e-mails from a certain number of days. I have mine set to 5 days. Any e-mails from before that simply do not show up on the phone. As a result, you never have to worry about cleaning up your inbox on the phone. At least, I don't have to, but if you have an extreme volume of e-mail, you may have to even if you only have it set to 5 days.
Also you can set Seven to stop pushing at night or on weekend days as well. My Fuze is on the charger at night but it is nice to not have to hear the e-mail ding when automated e-mails come in at 3am.
I haven't had my Fuze very long, but with my Tilt I recall one day where I didn't make a single phone call, so Seven was the only thing running all day. I still had 90% battery life left after over 12 hours of being off the charger. I haven't been able to do such a test on my Fuze over an entire day, but from what I've seen I believe it is about the same.
The thing I noticed on the Fuze which drains the battery the most is doing anything where the screen is on. Obviously powering and lighting that beautiful VGA screen has its cost. I do have a program that adjusts the backlight better than the stock WM function called G-Light, it lets you set the backlight brightness based on the reading from the light sensor. The lower the light level it detects, the lower the backlight is set to. The stock settings are pretty conservative with the brightness so I believe it will help battery life some while I am using the phone.
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I have been using a program called Seven ( www.seven.com ) to take care of e-mails. It is a program that pushes your e-mails to your mobile outlook. I use it with gmail although yahoo also appears to be supported. From what I understand, maintaining a constant data connection with push is actually less battery intensive and uses less data than signing on every 15 minutes or so to do a scheduled check.
I used to use IMAP instead of POP with gmail and that took care of the problem of e-mails getting taken off the server. I believe that Seven uses IMAP as well because its function seems to be the same. Any e-mails I read on the phone are marked as read on the server and vice versa. I believe you can set it to not delete from the server if you delete an e-mail on the phone, but I honestly do not delete e-mails from my phone. On its own and also with Seven, Pocket Outlook can be set to only show e-mails from a certain number of days. I have mine set to 5 days. Any e-mails from before that simply do not show up on the phone. As a result, you never have to worry about cleaning up your inbox on the phone. At least, I don't have to, but if you have an extreme volume of e-mail, you may have to even if you only have it set to 5 days.
Also you can set Seven to stop pushing at night or on weekend days as well. My Fuze is on the charger at night but it is nice to not have to hear the e-mail ding when automated e-mails come in at 3am.
I haven't had my Fuze very long, but with my Tilt I recall one day where I didn't make a single phone call, so Seven was the only thing running all day. I still had 90% battery life left after over 12 hours of being off the charger. I haven't been able to do such a test on my Fuze over an entire day, but from what I've seen I believe it is about the same.
The thing I noticed on the Fuze which drains the battery the most is doing anything where the screen is on. Obviously powering and lighting that beautiful VGA screen has its cost. I do have a program that adjusts the backlight better than the stock WM function called G-Light, it lets you set the backlight brightness based on the reading from the light sensor. The lower the light level it detects, the lower the backlight is set to. The stock settings are pretty conservative with the brightness so I believe it will help battery life some while I am using the phone.
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First, thank you very much for the response.
Second, I checked into www.seven.com and it seems to indicate that Seven is offered through AT&T via Xpress Mail. I downloaded Xpress Mail and set it up for my Yahoo account, but it seems to have even less customization and control than the built-in e-mail client that came with the Fuze. It won't allow me to change any options, instead referring me to "Xpress Mail Settings" to change option. The Xpress Mail settings program offers virtually no choices whatsoever. I can turn Push off or on, and that's pretty much it.
Can you offer any words of wisdom on how I can customize the functionality?
Thanks much in advance.
Jamie
jayla said:
First, thank you very much for the response.
Second, I checked into www.seven.com and it seems to indicate that Seven is offered through AT&T via Xpress Mail. I downloaded Xpress Mail and set it up for my Yahoo account, but it seems to have even less customization and control than the built-in e-mail client that came with the Fuze. It won't allow me to change any options, instead referring me to "Xpress Mail Settings" to change option. The Xpress Mail settings program offers virtually no choices whatsoever. I can turn Push off or on, and that's pretty much it.
Can you offer any words of wisdom on how I can customize the functionality?
Thanks much in advance.
Jamie
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Ooh no that's not what you want to do. Seven works just fine through Pocket Outlook, there is no need to get another program.
Simply install Seven onto the phone, then run it. It should walk you through setup and you can choose Yahoo as your e-mail provider. Since you have already set it up, I would recommend either uninstalling it or removing the current account out of Seven.
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Ooh no that's not what you want to do. Seven works just fine through Pocket Outlook, there is no need to get another program.
Simply install Seven onto the phone, then run it. It should walk you through setup and you can choose Yahoo as your e-mail provider. Since you have already set it up, I would recommend either uninstalling it or removing the current account out of Seven.
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Ah, I see where I went astray. On the Seven website there is a large menu option at the top that says "How to Get Seven". So I clicked on that and it steered me toward Xpress Mail through AT&T. So I uninstalled Xpress Mail, signed up for the Seven Beta, and downloaded and installed it.
I set it up to sync with my Yahoo account, and that seemed to go well. I like the fact that I can select quiet hours. Previously I had my phone set to give no audio alerts for e-mails because I didn't like getting woken up in the middle of the night. ;-)
I've got a couple of questions:
1. When I look at Seven's General Settings, there are three options: Phone Data, Quiet Time, and Preferences. I have no problem getting Quiet Time and Preferences to work, but when I select Phone Data it prompts me for "The phone number of the device is" and then put the cursor in an input box. However, I can't type anything into the box either with the slide-out keyboard or with the on-screen keyboard. Is "Phone Data" something I need to be concerned with?
2. How does Seven work with regards to getting messages to my phone? Is my phone constantly "logged in" to Seven (and draining battery power)? If not, how does my phone know when an e-mail has been sent to me and it's time for it to download that e-mail?
Thanks so much for all the help everyone has been giving me on this issue.
Jamie
jayla said:
1. When I look at Seven's General Settings, there are three options: Phone Data, Quiet Time, and Preferences. I have no problem getting Quiet Time and Preferences to work, but when I select Phone Data it prompts me for "The phone number of the device is" and then put the cursor in an input box. However, I can't type anything into the box either with the slide-out keyboard or with the on-screen keyboard. Is "Phone Data" something I need to be concerned with?
2. How does Seven work with regards to getting messages to my phone? Is my phone constantly "logged in" to Seven (and draining battery power)? If not, how does my phone know when an e-mail has been sent to me and it's time for it to download that e-mail?
Thanks so much for all the help everyone has been giving me on this issue.
Jamie
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1. I believe that is just for Seven's own information, the grayed out box shows my phone number on my phone. I wouldn't worry about it.
2. I'm not 100% clear on how Seven operates regarding getting the data. I believe that their own server constantly checks your e-mail account and when it gets new mail, it pushes the mail to your phone immediately. Now, your phone will maintain a constant data connection in order to do this, so it does use up more battery than if your phone was not connected to the internet. The alternative is to set a scheduled send and receive, perhaps once every 10-15 minutes. This would have your phone connect to the internet, query the server, and then download any mail and disconnect.
According to what I've read regarding push e-mail, push actually uses less data because the act of querying the server and getting a response takes more data than a push connection. A push connection is sort of like a heartbeat, it only sends tiny packets of data to maintain the connection, sending more data when an e-mail actually comes in. I'm assuming that less data = less battery used, although that could be incorrect.
You can try your own test as far as the battery life goes, but I had to wait for a slow day where nobody called me and I didn't have to call anybody and could just let my phone sit there pushing e-mail all day. You could run that test and then run a control test where you completely disabled your e-mail for a day on the phone. If you can see your phone's battery life in a percentage, you can subtract the 2 days and figure out how much data per day your e-mail push connection actually requires. I'm thinking it's not going to be that much though.
Things are looking quite good so far. I'm glad I posted here.
One thing I'm having an issue with still, however, is that when I receive e-mails my phone doesn't give me a notification. E-mail is pushed instantly to my phone, and if I turn on the screen it visually shows a waiting e-mail with the little orange number (I use the built-in TouchPro interface on my Fuze), but my phone doesn't beep or vibrate.
I went into the Sounds & Notifications settings and under Notifications and verified that the "Play sound" box is checked and that a tone is selected from the drop-down menu (I even tested it to make sure the tone plays). I have "Flash light" checked and set for no limit, and "Vibrate" checked. Yet when e-mails are pushed to my phone none of those things happen.
Any ideas?
Jamie
jayla said:
Things are looking quite good so far. I'm glad I posted here.
One thing I'm having an issue with still, however, is that when I receive e-mails my phone doesn't give me a notification. E-mail is pushed instantly to my phone, and if I turn on the screen it visually shows a waiting e-mail with the little orange number (I use the built-in TouchPro interface on my Fuze), but my phone doesn't beep or vibrate.
I went into the Sounds & Notifications settings and under Notifications and verified that the "Play sound" box is checked and that a tone is selected from the drop-down menu (I even tested it to make sure the tone plays). I have "Flash light" checked and set for no limit, and "Vibrate" checked. Yet when e-mails are pushed to my phone none of those things happen.
Any ideas?
Jamie
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Ah yes, I was aware of that problem but I forgot that the version of Seven I am using is not the *official* release version. It's more of an in-between build. The notification problem is fixed though as it was a big complaint on the previous version. Something they did between the last 2 versions broke the notifications.
Anyway here's the link to the newest build
http://community.seven.com/files/client.ppcwm6.Release-18_0-327672-def_seven-preview.cab
Interesting. I followed the link and installed the version you indicated. It said on my screen that it was uninstalling the previously existing version of Seven from my phone in favor of the new version. Everything seemed to go fine. After the install, the phone reset, and all seemed to be working fine.
But I still don't get e-mail notifications.
Oh well, it's not that huge of a deal. Thanks much for all the help you've give me.
Jamie
jayla said:
Interesting. I followed the link and installed the version you indicated. It said on my screen that it was uninstalling the previously existing version of Seven from my phone in favor of the new version. Everything seemed to go fine. After the install, the phone reset, and all seemed to be working fine.
But I still don't get e-mail notifications.
Oh well, it's not that huge of a deal. Thanks much for all the help you've give me.
Jamie
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Hmm, I know that when I upgraded to the newest version and my notifications stopped, I backed it down to the older version and that one still worked fine. Then I refrained from upgrading until I found this cab file. I may have done a full uninstall first, but I'm not sure. Try uninstalling and reinstall that cab file again. Make sure to do a soft reset in between.
I know that the fix for notifications on the broken version was to turn on the pop-up. Then it would give you the sound and pop-up preview of the message. Try enabling that as well to see if you can get the sounds working, although like me you probably don't want to have that, just the sound notification.
Sadly, that doesn't fix the problem. I can get the pop-up to display, but e-mail messages won't activate an audio notification or cause the light to flash. All my other sounds and notifications (text messages, telephone calls, etc.) have always worked, so I'm not sure what the cause of this may be.
I'm going to be swamped for the next few days. Probably sometime over the weekend I'll look more into it. But thank you very much for all the help you've given me. Even without the audio notifications, this is a far superior way of handling mobile e-mail that what I was doing before.
Jamie
if you really have a battery problem, just buy a new extended battery off of eBay or something, it's only about $20. shipped. I did that and it works fine.
also, you can change the settings so that the email doesnt download every 30 min, instead change it to an hour or 2.
also, you have one more option...you can use the Seven app. It is a very fast email client without draining your battery. Because you don't have 3G service in your town, you don't have to worry about turning off the 3G....but if you are in an area with 3G service for a while, just turn off 3G. this way you don't use as much of the battery, but you can still access the network and you won't have that much of a problem.
I have the Verizon Touch Pro2 and recently upgraded to Windows Mobile 6.5 using the official release.
I saw someone else have this problem (he posted a video of the issue) but I cannot find if he found a solution.
Normally, if you press the top button, the blacklight turns the device's backlight on or off. If off and you press the Power button, the device tells you "Backlight is off. Press button to turn on." and points to the top button with a little green arrow.
Well, something is wrong with mine. When the backlight is off, pressing the top button does nothing. The problem is intermittent and very frustrating.
Now the device is not locked/crashed because the power button will bring up the message. Also, if I call my phone, it comes up. If I txt my phone, it comes up. If I plug my phone into my computer via USB, it comes up. But pressing the top button doesnt make it come up.
I've flashed the phone 3 times to try to get rid of the problem. Originally the phone had the 6.1 stock Verizon ROM. I have not ever try to load a custom ROM on this phone. I have no special software installed on the phone. I am not using the Sense interface, I'm using the Windows Default.
Please help! & Thanks to all you gurus!
I've only noticed this problem when my device gets too hot, so try to keep it out of the sun/heat. I've been on Mighty Mike rom for the past week and have had no issues.
i dont think its the heat..
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I've only noticed this problem when my device gets too hot, so try to keep it out of the sun/heat. I've been on Mighty Mike rom for the past week and have had no issues.
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i have not noticed any heat issues. the problem has occurred both when the device was plugged in and not plugged in. in rooms with temperatures from 68° to 76° F and never in direct sunlight..
i think the problem has something to do with email.
i have it setup to check my yahoomail via imap. its downloading messages from years ago, even though its been setup to do only the past 30 days, how is this possible?
ive seen it say 2000+ new emails on the today screen, and dating back to 2003 the last time i was able to turn the backlight on via USB, the yahoomail account was in a perpetual disconnecting... sometimes erroring at being unable to synchronize at all..
also the error reporting service has told me that "tmail.exe" keeps crashing.. im assuming its crashing cause its getting overloaded with too many emails.. can any provide some input?
ive deleted the yahoomail account for now and will see if it happens again..
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almost 24 hours later, no locking up. device is running smooth.
i fear that the issue is related to the email problem.
it downloading 2000+ emails must have been it.. im assuming
has anyone else had the backlight issue? and have you found it may be related to email?
im going to wait 2 more days and re-add the yahoomail account and see what happens.
That is very interesting. Have you tried using seven for your mail?
http://www.seven.com/
almost 48 hours later..
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That is very interesting. Have you tried using seven for your mail?
http://www.seven.com/
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no ive never heard of it.. it looks like id have to join a beta to get it for my phone..
and although i enjoy the idea of using something that works i dont like just giving up on the whatever is wrong with the software.
and...
almost 48 hours later the phone has not at all locked up.. i fear the issue is directly related to whatever it was doing with my yahoomail account.
the settings were: imap yahoomail, html, 2kb, 30days, no attachments.. i think thats all thats relevant.. and it was downloading well over 2000 messages from as far back as 2003
im going to add the mail account back tonight to see what happens..
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no ive never heard of it.. it looks like id have to join a beta to get it for my phone..
and although i enjoy the idea of using something that works i dont like just giving up on the whatever is wrong with the software.
and...
almost 48 hours later the phone has not at all locked up.. i fear the issue is directly related to whatever it was doing with my yahoomail account.
the settings were: imap yahoomail, html, 2kb, 30days, no attachments.. i think thats all thats relevant.. and it was downloading well over 2000 messages from as far back as 2003
im going to add the mail account back tonight to see what happens..
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Since you mentioned it I was mulling it over...I really think you are onto something with that mail message, because the two times I did that I had a message waiting.
Seven should be free, I've posted the cab below.
Same thing with mine...
I've had the same thing happening with my TouchPro 2. I found a quasi-work around that helps limit the number of freezes, but it sure increases the number of pocket-dials I make. In the advanced section of the power settings deselect the "turn off backlight if device is not used for" box. Then decrease the "turn off device if not used for" box to 1 minute. I'm still getting really good battery life (lasts all day) and it's not a new battery.
I sure hope there's some sort of update or fix for this issue soon, because this is only a work-around.
Backlight issue on Verizon
I was having the same problem. I do not know if you have mobile email installed. I did. I removed it and so far so good. You will have to hold the back light button for about three seconds sometimes but it always works. No more soft resets. The only issue is that you have to contact Verizon and have them stop the text notifications from OZ Mail. The way Mobile E mail works is the third party software company sends a text which you never see because mobile email software gets it and uses it to give you the notification that you have new mail. Tech support had to create a trouble ticket in order to stop these text messages. Every time I got a email I would get a text from OZ mail with about 20 something alphanumeric numbers. SO far so good!
I had this problem with mine and it appeared to have something to do with my 3.5 audio jack... it was like it thought there was somthing plugged in there but there wasn't. as soon as i plugged in my headphones the screen came right on...
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so after days of not having my yahoomail account configured, and my phone not locking up once, i added it back with the following settings:
imap, 7days, 2kb, no attachments. (the original issue occurred with similar settings, only 30day past messages and not 7)
it worked for a few days, then when i was leaving work today i took my phone out of my locker and noticed the backlight was on. an alarm had gone off.
then i looked at yahoomail and it said i had 2000+ new messages.. the first message dated from august 2008
i turned the backlight off. when i tried to turn it back on it worked. but later in the evening it did not. it hung like it was doing when i started this thread. and it was in the process of "downloading headers" for hours. upon clicking "send/receive" to make it disconnect, it sat on disconnect for a long time, without doing anything.
something is clearly wrong with yahoomail or perhaps simply the imap service
who should be contacted? someone at verizon?
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I had this problem with mine and it appeared to have something to do with my 3.5 audio jack... it was like it thought there was somthing plugged in there but there wasn't. as soon as i plugged in my headphones the screen came right on...
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i noticed my screen coming back on this evening when i got out of my car. i have bluetooth set up from my car deck to my phone for audio streaming and hands free.. it automatically connects when i turn the car on and disconnects when i turn the car off. upon disconnect the phone usually displays an error saying that the hands-free device has been disconnected.
it looks like the phone will respond when any kind of event happens (ie plug/unplug of headphones, phone call, txt message, alarm, etc..) so whatever the hell is wrong the phone is not actually crashed, just the backlight wont respond to the top button..
What your describing bis not new... nor is it limited the the TP2 or HTC phones. Commonly referred to as "failure to wake" or "sleep of death" (do ba search). Potentially effects all WinMo devices.
Frequently attributed to programs running in the background as the phone goes into sleep mode. By Programs, this could mean an active applicationyou initiated, a system program running invisibly in the background or an event that creats a notification while the phone was asleep.
Workaround is similar to what you've already tried: Extend the amount of time it takes for the device to go to sleep (+ve found 3 minutes sufficient, allowing for more time to multitask with multiple programs running).
Try not to put the phone to sleep with known programs running under the task manager.
Use Lumos to conserve battery life, since youre possibly keeping the device on for longer periods.
Keep availible RAM using a RAM cleaner and clean up duplicate notifications. I use MemMade for both.
This is a software issue and the circumstances are descibed in Microsoft's documentation for software developers. They test for programs that contribute,or create this problem before they go into the marketplace.
Sorry for the typos. In class banging out a hasty responce.
I've been having the same issue too, intermitantly maybe twice a month. I can't find any pattern.
I use Google Latitude, Batti, and I sync email every 30 minutes (Exchange to my univeristy, and IMAP to AOL) but I also have my computer set to download messages and erase messages after 2 days so I never have more than about 100 messages to sync.
WM 6.5 Verizon ROM (it came preloaded out of the box)
Sometimes, it locks up immediately after bootup (as a moment ago) sometimes it will run great for weeks before having problems. I can't find a pattern.
First off I'm coming from the iPhone 3G, and HTC Aria and all I have to say is this phone is so slow when using it with an Exchange server. I have reset the phone several times and it will be running fast but as soon as I setup an Exchange profile, the phone slows down. It will 5 to 10 seconds to load an email then another 5 to 10 seconds to load the content of the email.
I really want to like this phone but can't handle the slowness. The HTC Aria is so much faster (why if it has a slower processor). Even my iPhone is faster (with 4.0) and that's not saying much.
Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
The Aria feels faster because it has half the pixels to push, so there's less overhead in just running the display and UI elements.
I use my Captivat with exchange. With no lag at ll. I have a very large mailbox with lots of folders and I haven't had a problem. My exchange server security settings do force me to set a password lock for the phone though.
Yeah, the password is annoying. Especially annoying since it's a numeric entry but the keyboard that pops up in in alpha, requiring an extra step. If I can't bypass it, I'd like a straight numeral only keyboard, with big numbers to make it faster.
My Milestone running 2.1 never prompted me for passwords when connecting to the corp server, but like most Android devices,(N1 excluded) the Email client was diddled by the manufacturer.
Besides the password annoyance, the email client on the Captivate is superior though, I'd say it's one of the best Android implementations of Exchange support yet (but then again, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king ).
Password is a policy enforced/pushed down from the exchange server. I know my corp. exchange enforces the password/PIN policy when I use WM. But supprisely, my Captivate didn't ask for one. It may asked but the screen didn't popup. My email app stayed in a blank screen for quite a few minutes. And somehow it get bypassed.
I know my IT admin won't be too happy to hear this.
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First off I'm coming from the iPhone 3G, and HTC Aria and all I have to say is this phone is so slow when using it with an Exchange server. I have reset the phone several times and it will be running fast but as soon as I setup an Exchange profile, the phone slows down. It will 5 to 10 seconds to load an email then another 5 to 10 seconds to load the content of the email.
I really want to like this phone but can't handle the slowness. The HTC Aria is so much faster (why if it has a slower processor). Even my iPhone is faster (with 4.0) and that's not saying much.
Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
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Could it be your exchange itself? have you set the server to sync contacts? have you let it do that? is it syncing calendars? have you let that happen as well. How many messages are you making it download at a time, all of them? remember that while the phone has tons of ram each individual app runs in its own container so sometimes if it can't allocate ram fast enough you will see slow down. Also using exchange is a processor intensive task, do you have a task killer? can you go into settings and see whats running when you do this? these are things you should check. Your phone may seem real chipper and fast but when the big guns come out it'll slow down if there is a lot of apps running.
its akin to a windows comp running itunes, firefox, limewire, dos prompt, and vuze without issue...as soon as you start encoding a video on top of that, **** is gonna slow down.
I have an exchange server and I haven't been experiencing any problems, but I only have it set to download the last 25 messages and I use the server search to search for any old ones should I need them.
lemme know what you find
No problems with exchange for me.On 3g it takes about 5 secs from clicking on an email to reading it. I'm moving from an iphone and the only thing I'm missing is the threaded emails.
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Hi, I have the same issue on my nexus one. Phone slow to a drag when syncing with Exchange. What i did was, log on to the exchange website on the computer, go to the setting section and then mobile phone section. Then delete all the mobile device ID associate with that account and setup the exchange account from the phone again. I never have any issue since.
I'm also getting slowness with Exchange. It takes me about 15-25 seconds just to pull up a new email. It "seems" like it's not actually getting the email until I try to open it, but I have it set to download the maximum size when it arrives.
Also, when I rooted the phone, it stopped asking me for the password on the unlock screen. Go figure.
Email sync/slowness issue
I have my Captivate to automatically retieve emails every 15 mins but it does not, I have to go into email account and select refresh.
Also it is very slow when retieving/deleting email.
is anyone else having any issues?
Im definitely having the same issue. My email will also sometimes tel
l me i have email when i don't. Its a little aggravating.
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Try a factory reset. It was taking SO long to push some emails from an account that is relatively empty so I just had about enough of that and decided to do a reset and everything is peachy. Instantly the emails started to load up into the inbox and 5 seconds later it was done.. Amazing!
heygrl said:
Try a factory reset. It was taking SO long to push some emails from an account that is relatively empty so I just had about enough of that and decided to do a reset and everything is peachy. Instantly the emails started to load up into the inbox and 5 seconds later it was done.. Amazing!
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I have the same problem. Any other than a factory reset? because reinstalling everyting and reconfigure all my phone that's a bummer.
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I have the same problem. Any other than a factory reset? because reinstalling everyting and reconfigure all my phone that's a bummer.
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I agree. Got a weeks worth of time invested in getting this thing set up and programs installed (and paid for).
Mine too doesnt do anything until I go into the mail program. It wont even save my changes I make in the email settings. I set mine to automatic, so they arrive as soon as i get an email, but it keeps going back to the 15 and 30 minute settings. This is my only issue with the phone.
Can someone who has done a hard reset try saving their settings to automatic, go into task killer , kill the email program and go back into email and see if it saved??
Instead of using the "email" program I use the "gmail" built in program and I get instant emails. But then again, I use gmail.
Same here. I use gmail for my personal account but for work I use the regular mail app on the phone. I also set up gmail on that app as well. The actual gmail app works great but my gmail account in the regular mail app doesn't--it will tell me I have gmail mail a couple hours after I have already looked at it in the gmail app and marked as read. Same thing with the work mail, things show up much later then they should.
Haven't found a way to fix it yet.
Are you guys using a task killer? If so and the email program is not ignored, the task killer will close the email app...which at that point is running services to retrieve your email.
In the same boat. I have both GMail and the Email program. Gmail is of course instant, however the built in email is horrible (at least with Exchange). I'm not killing it with taskkiller, and I've deleted and reset it up multiple times. I installed Touchdown and gave it a try, however it really didn't seem to make a huge difference. Unfortunately I think it's something we are going to have to endure until 2.2, which supposedly has Active Synch improvements.
I don't have experience with Exchange but really, a reset will speed up a lot of the loading screen "lag". That's the only thing that will.
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I don't have experience with Exchange but really, a reset will speed up a lot of the loading screen "lag". That's the only thing that will.
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And after the reset do you use a restore of titanium backup or do you have to do all resinstall manually and re-configure everything (like home screeens and apps)
The issue isn't so much loading screen lag, it's a long period of waiting to do anything (open, reply, delete) when navigation in the program. I'm assuming (more like guessing) that other phones simply make everything appear to happen instantly, and then perform the tasks in the background unlike on Android where everything is done real time.
For instance on my Blackberry and iPhone when I selected 5 emails and chose delete, all 5 would disappear and I could continue working. In Email I select the 5 messages, the program says Messages Deleted then I watch for 5 to 10 seconds as the messages are deleted one at a time, preventing any meaningful use of the program until the process completes. I've checked the Exchange logs, no errors or anything out of the ordinary. It works, just very slowly.
I had the same problem, but K9 instead. After a _lot_ of testing, gnashing of teeth, and pulling of hair, I think I've found the cause.
Email and K9 both appear to store stuff in the /data dir. This is the exact same location that others online have found to be drag-ass slow and the general cause for black screens and/or lag in general. Which pretty much describes exactly what was happening to me with Email and K9. Search here or at MoDaCo for more info on the lag issue.
The solution is to either hope Samsung can somehow fix the speed of the internal SD card or store data elsewhere. I'd be amazed if Samsung ever fixes the speed issue. And storing data elsewhere isn't an option build into either application. K9 might eventually have that feature added, but I doubt Email ever will. There's a potential fix shown at MoDaCo, but it involves rooting, updating the kernel, and partitioning an external SD card. Nothing difficult, but not for everybody.
Touchdown has an option to store data on the external SD card, so it shouldn't suffer the same problem. I haven't played with it yet to see if it does or not.
As for why Gmail seems to work ok, that's a little trickier. It stores under the same path as the others, but it appears to work in an asynchronus mode, relying more on what you have on the server and only checking the local copy if it can't hit the network. At least that's the best explanation I can come up with for why it seems to work much better than Email or K9.
I was using the Nexus One 2.2, with 2 different Exchange syncs and gmail... NO Problem at all.
Different story with the Captivate... Not rooted, with ATT bloat... hardly any other apps loaded, tried both popular loaders. The email is all most unbearable (and unacceptable), reminds me of the iPhone 3g, if not worse.
Hopefully we'll see a straight 2.2 build soon, or I'm really considering returning the phone (already sold my N1 for a chunk of change).. I have 27 days remaining for a return.
Stock 2.2 is the only way to go.
I'd love a stock 2.2 build! But... unless we get lucky with a major change in the driver for the internal (non-sd) filesystem, I don't think it's going to help with the e-mail issue (or the general lag/blackscreen issue) at all.
It's definately not the at&t bloat, I have mine rooted and all of the at&t apps removed. I definately think the data parition fx is the best route to persue.
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You haven't tried a reset? The Email app syncs my GMail account quickly for me, however before I did a reset it was loading in my emails one at a time and was noticeably poor.
Hi!
I just got a new Samsung Galaxy Skyrocket and have seen great battery life until I added my exchange 2010 / activesync email account to the phone, at which point the battery gets hot and drains very rapidly. I have seen some people comment that there is a fix if the phone is rooted, but are there any fixes for non-rooted phones? or Email programs besides the native email application that work with activesync? K9 only works with older versions of MS exchange.
Thanks!
Maybe due to push settings or the timed intervals in checking for new mail? I set mine to about 4 hours at a time. If they check constantly or every 30 mins, my battery will drain also. I do 4 hours, but you can always check emails manually, which I usually do.
I have it set to push my email. If I can't get this to work without only getting email when I manually check it, I will be forced to chose another phone since the ability to get push email was a breakthrough more than 5 years ago.
As an FYI, I spoke to samsung customer support (incredibly rude I might add), and was told that the device was not tested with Exchange 2010, and the only solution they had was factory reset (doesn't work) or sending the phone to them for a few days but they may not be able to fix it anyway.
Dont send to Samsung, they can't do anything with it. It'll just waste your time. I've currently got about 7 emails going through the native email application. I have it automatically check every 4 hours. I understand its not "push", but it's "push enough" for me. I only have 1 set for push (via gmail), but having the rest will be alerting me all day long. I dont want to be interrupted and have all my battery drain. 1 push is fine with me, not much battery drainage.
Yes, I didn't think sending it to samsung would be useful, especially since the guy could only tell me to restart my phone and that "there was no setting for don't overheat." I have 3 emails in K9 which works great, but K9 doesn't support exchange 2010 either which is why I had to set it up in the native mail app. The issue is that if there was one email I really would want to be pushed, it is my work email and not the 3 personal emails in K9 which I could check manually if I had to. I am finding K9 to be pretty amazing in terms of limited battery usage as an FYI.
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...The issue is that if there was one email I really would want to be pushed, it is my work email...
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Have you tried setting that email up as a POP mail and have it sync every like 10 minutes or so? May just save some extra juice.
No can do. Apparently our exchange server can't be set up for POP (or so I was told).
I use push extensively with Exchange 2010 and have not had any problems. So I know it does work correctly. You could try going to the AT&T store to have yours replaced (the battery heating up for any reason when you're stock should be a sufficient reason). The only other possibility that comes to mind right away is data encryption. Do you have that turned on in your mailbox settings?
Data encryption is off. Any chance you can PM me with your settings and I can see if there's anything noticeably different in mine?
I can return to AT&T and exchange for a new one, but I had tried out the SGII prior to the Skyrocket and had some of the same heating up and battery drain (although not as badly) so I'm thinking it's probably a setting somewhere.
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Data encryption is off. Any chance you can PM me with your settings and I can see if there's anything noticeably different in mine?
I can return to AT&T and exchange for a new one, but I had tried out the SGII prior to the Skyrocket and had some of the same heating up and battery drain (although not as badly) so I'm thinking it's probably a setting somewhere.
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Sure. Pm on the way...
Did your problem ever get resolved? I bought a Skyrocket last month and had the same exact problem with the battery getting hot and draining fast with ActiveSync on. It drained less quickly, but still 10-15% an hour, with active sync off. It was so bad I shipped the phone back after 3 days.
I'm thinking about trying again with a new Skyrocket, but I don't want to buy the phone unless I can get my work e-mail to push without killing the battery by lunch.
What worked for you (or did you have to ship it back too)?
Thanks!
Well, sort of. I have been using Enhanced Email instead of the mail that comes on the phone and it works great. I got tired of the native mail being fine and then not, so it was worth the $5 I paid for EE. I think I got a deal on Amazon apps at some point.