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Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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here is the answer...
from how I get charged, i honestly can see that it is BOTH text message and data because u need data/internet to access those messenger services and each message u enter in msn live or aim counts as a text message.
thankfully for me, i have family unlimited texting and internet/data plan for my phone... but those messenger usually lags unless u are on 3G or some better connection.
Is that for RC30 and RC8 or just RC30? I thought it just used data.
TommyPickles said:
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones. I've heard conflicting reports about MSN though but I would put money on the bulk of it being through SMS. Honestly though, IM through SMS is terrible and has been for years. It's laggy, never up to date and loves to double and triple sends messages. It's the price you pay for not having a data plan.
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
TimSykes said:
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
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I've been quietly waiting for these guys as well but at this rate they are turning into another Cerulean Studios. Soon™.
HAHA good point.
TimSykes said:
HAHA good point.
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Joking aside they do have a solid product but at this point I'm just tired of waiting indefinitely. Although, as a G1 owner I should be used to this by now.
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Do you know anything about Australian cellular providers or the OP? No? I didn't think so. If you have nothing to add then move on without brain vomiting on the Post button.
Do I get that right: Every IM messenger from market sends out sms instead of data messages as it normally should? So Hello AIM, Membo IM etc. too?
no the g1 built in IM program uses SMS. Hello AIM uses the internet connection.
Oh, thank god. I was confused by this "The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones"....
Thx!
vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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with the g1 plan you get unlimited data, and I think 400 messaging. Or people like myself who dont use the g1 plan have unlimited data, and no messaging but still use t-mobile.
I'm on JF 1.41 RC8 and I just used my prepaid sim in my G1 and chatted on msn for a bit then sent 1 text messages afterwards.
It only deducted the credit for my 1 sms afterwards so I'm fairly confident the IM app (at least Live Messenger) just uses data.
You can use all messengers (aol, icq, msn etc) through standard gtalk application. Just configure jabber transport from other network to gtalk server. Instructions can be googled easily (here an example: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html)
Live Messenger Problem
Running the latest JesusFreke RC8 update, with the extra IM clients built into it, and I am receiving the following error when I try to sign into Live Messenger:
Unable to sign into the MSN service. Please try again later.
(Detail: Sorry, the phone number cannot be read from your sim card. Please contact your operator for help).
I have the phone on a T-Mobile contract, and I ported my number over from another network when I got the phone.
Any ideas on what could cause this problem?
Someone on another forum said they could only get live messenger to work while on wifi. Dont know if that helps.
Are you using the stock im apps? They use sms texts to send not data. This might be the problem you are having.
Yes, I am using the stock IM apps. Are there better alternatives?
Hi all, i was on the phone with t-mo today and the girl told me that the msn\live messenger messages that i send and recieve uses SMSes and not internet.
is that true or was she plain stupid?
i've researched this online and coudlnt get a conclusive answer so i thouhgt i'd ask you guys since some of you have prolly seen the code itself and can answer me correctly and easily...
so which is it - internet or texts?
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From what I understand, the IM app is counted towards text messages, this means, google, MSN, Yahoo, AOL messages within the stock IM app is text messages.
I think GTalk use the Internet (wifi/3g or whatever data connection you're on) while other "chat" services use SMS.
But now there's free Hi MSN in the Market (and Meebo has been for quite some time) when you want to use MSN "for real".
/Mats
GTalk will works over the internet, either via 3G or WiFi.
All other protocols will only use WiFi over the internet - any conversations via a cellular network will be via SMS and not over 3G/GPRS.
Regards,
Dave
wow!
that's absurd!
nobody said anything about it either!
why did they do that?!
The crap? That sounds like the stupidest thing ever. Leave it to a cell carrier to come up with a stupid idea like that. Just use Hi MSN or Hi AIM.
The carrier makes money on the text messages, Google gets GTalk usage - and he consumer is - as always - screwed. "Business plan" is another word for the phenomenon...
(Don't get me wrong -I love most of Google's stuff, even GTalk - but as virtually no one else use GTalk, it's pretty useless to me...)
/Mats
Hi,
does somebody know something about Visual Voicemail on the Leo? I saw it on an iPhone and it´s a cool way to check the voicemail..
thanks..
It's a feature implemented by operators which the Handset must support.
e.g. O2 UK have implmented a new Voicemail platform to specifically support this for the iPhone
as far as i know there is a cab floating arround the forums ripped from a wm6.5 tp2 rom (t-mobile USA). i tried that one on the german t-mobile network (visual voice mail or mailbox pro as t-mob calls it) and it doesn't work. sorry. at the moment only some symbian s60 phones from nokia and one LG phone supports visual voicemail (mailbox pro) on the german t-mobile network.
I would try using hullomail.com , they offer a full visual voicemail app for android but not yet for WM. However you can easily set it up to pickup voicemails and then send them through as a email of sms. The message content tell you who the mail was from and when it was left. The email also comes through with an MP3 of the voicemail. The file size for the MP3 is very small to. I moved from iphone to android and used this to replace missing visual voicemail. I know use this with my HD2 to provide the next best alternative.
Hope this helps.
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as far as i know there is a cab floating arround the forums ripped from a wm6.5 tp2 rom (t-mobile USA). i tried that one on the german t-mobile network (visual voice mail or mailbox pro as t-mob calls it) and it doesn't work. sorry. at the moment only some symbian s60 phones from nokia and one LG phone supports visual voicemail (mailbox pro) on the german t-mobile network.
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I tried it too. I wonder if there is a way to hack it to work redirecting it to the Tmobile DE servers
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Skype makes SkypeMobile for android but it only works on Verizon. I figure there is no reason the smart people here can't mod the APK or phone ID to force it to work on my T-Mobile G1 (even if only over WiFi).
Is anyone up to the challenge?
-Sorry if this has been discussed, but I did try searching first and only found links to an old Skype Lite, which is not the same as Skype Mobile from Skype.
As far as I'm aware, even the official skype app on android uses minutes to call a cheaper number to call your skype contacts cheaply. If I'm not mistaken, on the verizon app there's no way to make data/wifi only calls. Fring's better for that
Skype Beta is available for T-Mobile Android devices. it does call out to a number to make the skype calls, but it calls out to the same number every time. THE SAME NUMBER EVERY TIME.
Hey, doesn't T-Mobile have a "Favorite 5" program or something?
mghtyred said:
Skype Beta is available for T-Mobile Android devices. it does call out to a number to make the skype calls, but it calls out to the same number every time. THE SAME NUMBER EVERY TIME.
Hey, doesn't T-Mobile have a "Favorite 5" program or something?
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mghtyred beat me too it.
You can also do something similar with Google Voice's call out feature, I believe it's option 2 from within the automated menu to make an outbound call. Ofcourse you would need to add it to your 5 Faves first.
By the way, I can't remember if Skype's number is a 1-800/1-877 number or not, but T-Mobile prohibits those from My-Faves.
Technically, they frown upon you adding GV's number as well, but I don't know if they've figured out a way to track that yet.
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As far as I'm aware, even the official skype app on android uses minutes to call a cheaper number to call your skype contacts cheaply. If I'm not mistaken, on the verizon app there's no way to make data/wifi only calls. Fring's better for that
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This.
Fring works great.
Nimbuzz is an option as well
T-mobile no longer has myFaves and they found out people were setting the Voice number as a fave and it still costs now.
The only way you have myFaves with the G1 is if it's an old plan it's not available now.
Hey guys I havent been able to find anything current as if this was possible on android device.. I have JB IP4 and im using google voice sms through bitesms as my native app using the sms google voice extension. The way it works is that when the google voice app sends a push notification on the phone the google voice sms extension catches the push notification and sends it through bitesms as a normal sms. That way I was able to ditch the unlimited sms plan from ATT. Is something like that possible on android? Thats huge for me since 20 bucks a months is a damn ripoff. And i do lots and lots of txting lol. Thanks for any info =)
I've been an SMS GV Extensions user since it launched and finally bought an Android phone last week.
I took it for granted that Android would either do this already or be able to do this more easily (iOS required a jailbreak), but I instead find that you can only integrate incoming messages with the native Android messaging app and there doesn't seem to be a solution even with rooting your phone. This is disappointing, to say the least.
The fact that the Android GV app has an option in integrate inbound messages with the native messaging application but not outbound implies that is is a deliberate decision on Google's part because it is an obvious feature that is only half implemented. It is probably less a concern with cutting into the carriers' SMS revenue and more to do with constraining use of the service (Google has taken actions to curb heavy use in the past). If it integrated seemlessly, people would use it more.
This is something Google is just going to have to get over if they hope to remain competitive. There is some hope in that the new iMessaging that integrates with text messaging on iOS will put competitive pressure on them to do something similar with Android.
I will be first in line!
Psst... if anyone has found a way that I am unaware of despite constant searching in the past week, please advise us in this thread!
Google Voice Integration App?
I have not used this personally, and am in no way associated with the developer, but I found this app when searching for this exact functionality today. My Nexus S is currently integrated with GV on Sprint, so I have no way of actually testing whether this works or not, but if it does, its definitely worth $0.99!
I've been contemplating a switch to Verizon because of Sprint's slow network speeds, and would do so if I could have this functionality. If anyone has tried it, please provide feedback.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.MDRTools.GVMI2&hl=en
kashah said:
I have not used this personally, and am in no way associated with the developer, but I found this app when searching for this exact functionality today. My Nexus S is currently integrated with GV on Sprint, so I have no way of actually testing whether this works or not, but if it does, its definitely worth $0.99!
I've been contemplating a switch to Verizon because of Sprint's slow network speeds, and would do so if I could have this functionality. If anyone has tried it, please provide feedback.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.MDRTools.GVMI2&hl=en
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I just tried that app about 20 minutes ago. It shows promise. If you compose a message using the native SMS app it will send via Google Voice.
However, it doesn't integrate incoming messages. If you use GV's built in text forwarding, messages will come from your contact's alias (406, 973, etc) number. Also, you won't see messages you've sent using the Google Voice app or website in the native client.
I refunded it but I'll definitely buy again after improvements are made.
check out the google voice sms integration app on the market.
just search for mdrtools and u will find it.