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ROM vs. Radio Which is the difference?

I already install Duttys Dualtouch v4 RTM on my Tilt, is working good, working slowly sometimes,
The radio version is the 1.27
Do u have to change the radio version? where can i get those new versions?
What do you think should i do?
Thanks

Hello,
Read this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349375
It contains information about problems and improvements of several radios's

I think you should READ
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349375
Then ask

I like seeing this, junior's helping junior's. That's something I haven't seen in a while.
Way to go.

Oh my. This is the type of question that could get you killed on this forum. Follow this link to the Kaiser Wiki. I suggest you start by reading the "ROM Flashing FAQ for Newbies". Hopefully you read the flashing instructions and installed HardSPL prior to flashing Dutty's ROM.

How to Select the BEST SPL that matches your ROM

How to Select the BEST SPL that matches your ROM
When I was reading the SPL Frequently Asked Question in the wiki.xda.developers I started to search on the topic more and more; I kind of got obsessed with the issues described there by bengalih such as battery drains, power issues, screen freezing see this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396235
I decided to shift from Hard SPL to Shipped SPL I was running shipped WM 6.0 [1.81.415.2 (radio 1.27.12.11)] at the time. So used the pre-made SPL file manufactured by sirsycho http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335568 to return to shipped... my phone screen lagging got better and battery life improved slightly… the problem however persisted…
I flashed several ROMs Shipped/Cooked and kept moving between Hard SPLs and Shipped SPLs… my obsession has grown more with performance and between the relationship between SPL and ROM… I even posted a thread but it was closed as being redundant information
Last week I decided I will start doing some real experiments using sirsycho’s excellent guide… I was ripping the Shipped SPLs from Shipped ROMs and flashing them simultaneously trying different Hard SPLs on the Shipped Roms
I was noting the version numbers and apparently a very obvious correlation existed between the version of the SPL and the best ROM. I have observed that the first four characters (I am counting “.” as a character) must be the same to obtain the best ‘marriage’ between your ROM and your SPL
e.g.
If you have the Shipped ROM 1.81.415.2 (radio 1.27.12.11) your best SPL will be 1.81.0000
If you have Shipped ROM 1.56.405.5 (radio 1.27.12.11) your best SPL will be 1.56.0000
If you have Shipped ROM 3.29.707.0 (Radio 1.65.16.25) your best SPL will be 3.29.0000
Now transferring this knowledge to cooked ROMs your base ROM version will determine the Hard SPL you must use. Thus, why HardSPL v3.07, v3.28, v3.29 and v3.56 by JockyW2001 are recommended for WM 6.1 the next question that this thread is attempting to answer is which Hard SPL must be chosen
Concluding Remarks,
To Revert back to Original ROM and Original SPL (Make sure you get the right Couples) for warranty purposes
Cocked ROMs must get the best Hard SPL match for optimal performance
Don’t mix AT&T ROM with htc SPL or vice-versa (I did not try that but I assume poor performance)
Such information might be useful for Hard SPL developers – obviously it seem a new Hard SPL will be needed with each kitchen
Moderators
I genuinely have searched the forum very well before posting and never found any obvious information as described here

-Reserved-
Battery life testing ROM, SPL, Radio

GREAT post, can someone sticky?
there really is some great information in here that i will also test out

thanks - please report your observations here
best wishes,
mbarvian said:
GREAT post, can someone sticky?
there really is some great information in here that i will also test out
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jahrami said:
If you have the Shipped ROM 1.81.415.2 (radio 1.27.12.11) your best SPL will be 1.81.0000
If you have Shipped ROM 1.56.405.5 (radio 1.27.12.11) your best SPL will be 1.56.0000
If you have Shipped ROM 3.29.707.0 (Radio 1.65.16.25) your best SPL will be 3.29.0000
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This is how Jocky created the new 3.xx HardSPL's. He ripped the original SPL from known good ship ROMs, and cracked them.
jahrami said:
Concluding Remarks,
To Revert back to Original ROM and Original SPL (Make sure you get the right Couples) for warranty purposes
Cocked ROMs must get the best Hard SPL match for optimal performance
Don’t mix AT&T ROM with htc SPL or vice-versa (I did not try that but I assume poor performance)
Such information might be useful for Hard SPL developers – obviously it seem a new Hard SPL will be needed with each kitchen
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I use HardSPL 3.56, ripped from an AT&T base, with all custom ROMs I flash. There are no performance issues with HTC-based ROMs. All of the chefs will list the recommended SPL version in their threads, and they rarely match the SPL of the base they used.
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Bengalih created an SPL thread covering this information back in May. But your thread seems to be more concise.

This is still very very useful and provides a nice summary and insight into SPL choices. Well done!

Mr. NotATreoFan
Hello ...
Definitly - JockyW did an excellent job in ripping the original SPLs and cracking them - i was just trying to highlight that SPL/Hard SPL version mut match ROM choice
Cooked ROM and SPL - Chefs don't always point to best matching SPL
About performance - i disagree with you and multi-tasking is the real test if a person use a bad match device becoming sluggish
As for AT&T SPL with htc i was just predicting, i did not tried this [but i do trust your experience]
Battery drain is another issue - i assure you if you use the best match power consumption (standby) increase - i will try to run a benchmark if time allowed
After all - any Hard SPL will work with any ROM (cooked or shipped) it will only need an obsessive person to complain about performance
Thanks for your insight
NotATreoFan said:
This is how Jocky created the new 3.xx HardSPL's. He ripped the original SPL from known good ship ROMs, and cracked them.
I use HardSPL 3.56, ripped from an AT&T base, with all custom ROMs I flash. There are no performance issues with HTC-based ROMs. All of the chefs will list the recommended SPL version in their threads, and they rarely match the SPL of the base they used.
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Bengalih created an SPL thread covering this information back in May. But your thread seems to be more concise.
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Thanks Bro
Moe5508 said:
This is still very very useful and provides a nice summary and insight into SPL choices. Well done!
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Not to be rude or burst any bubbles......
The info you provided is great, if you're flashing BACK to the official ROM for your device or carrier.
If I'm not mistaken, all official ROMs when flashed.....will change the SPL to what it's supposed to be. When doing a warranty return, the last step is removing the HardSPL.
Back to the question of the thread:
How to Select the BEST SPL that matches your ROM ?
The chef should/will tell you within the 1st 3 threads, if not....that would be a valid question to ask that chef in the appropriate thread.
Your SPL needs to match the ROM Build for best performance.

dwny said:
The chef should/will tell you within the 1st 3 threads, if not....that would be a valid question to ask that chef in the appropriate thread.
Your SPL needs to match the ROM Build for best performance.
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Exactly what I said, with the exception of your last sentence. Generally I would agree with you, but for whatever reason, my personal experiences with 3.56.Hard have been the best, regardless of what build the ROM came from.

hello...dwny...
yes - in most cases chefs will point to the best spl when they release a new rom - we are all aware of this fact (but let me ask this question, how many of us using the best spl? dude up to a one month time i was using Olipro Hard SPL with wm 6.1 and i was not the only one for sure... read the signing remarks of people and u will see them using bad spl, bad radio, with a good rom) pls look next time at this BTW my devices info ar out of date
this thread is aimed to answer the question [How to Select the BEST SPL that matches your ROM ?] by each one of us, as i have demonstrated above!
i will try to PM the figures of hard spl (Olipro and JockyW) to get their engineering knowledge on what performance aspect we speak about here.. spl (hard spl) is what save our devices from bricking and apparently it does morw than this - so lets have a better understanding of it
dwny said:
Not to be rude or burst any bubbles......
The info you provided is great, if you're flashing BACK to the official ROM for your device or carrier.
If I'm not mistaken, all official ROMs when flashed.....will change the SPL to what it's supposed to be. When doing a warranty return, the last step is removing the HardSPL.
Back to the question of the thread:
How to Select the BEST SPL that matches your ROM ?
The chef should/will tell you within the 1st 3 threads, if not....that would be a valid question to ask that chef in the appropriate thread.
Your SPL needs to match the ROM Build for best performance.
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jahrami said:
hello...dwny...
yes - in most cases chefs will point to the best spl when they release a new rom - we are all aware of this fact (but let me ask this question, how many of us using the best spl? dude up to a one month time i was using Olipro Hard SPL with wm 6.1 and i was not the only one for sure... read the signing remarks of people and u will see them using bad spl, bad radio, with a good rom) pls look next time at this BTW my devices info ar out of date
this thread is aimed to answer the question [How to Select the BEST SPL that matches your ROM ?] by each one of us, as i have demonstrated above!
i will try to PM the figures of hard spl (Olipro and JockyW) to get their engineering knowledge on what performance aspect we speak about here.. spl (hard spl) is what save our devices from bricking and apparently it does morw than this - so lets have a better understanding of it
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HardSPL allows us to flash whatever ROM we choose & will not uninstall with a flash
The best SPL is the one that comes with the base of the cooked ROM (so they say).
Due to screen freezing, matching the SPL w/ROM became the standard.
I, myself noticed differences when applying the standard. Before then, it was a crap-shoot. We all kept flashing or just dealing with the screen freezing.
NotATreoFan said:
Exactly what I said, with the exception of your last sentence. Generally I would agree with you, but for whatever reason, my personal experiences with 3.56.Hard have been the best, regardless of what build the ROM came from.
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I've been on 3.56 for a while also but the ROMs I've been on required it also except for one ROM and it didn't lockup on me.

Flashing an AT&T tilt with an Official HTC Rom

Hello,
I have recently bought a AT&T Tilt, and would like to flash to the current Offcial HTC WM 6.1 ROM.
I have done alot of reading in the wiki here and various FAQ threads and what not. But i am still a bit confused with a few things.
I have read the ROM Flashing faq and Intro here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895
And i understand all that.
I also undestand that i need the Key board fix from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334911
But thats not hard.
I went here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
I checked my device and the rom currently on it is the AT&T WM6.0 1.57.502.2 Original Shiped Rom.
I figured, being in Australia, i would need rom that had WWE as the country? So i downloaded the "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship" rom. Is this an appropriete ROM for what i want?
BUT Its all this stuff about SPL's and what not that is confusing me.
My Tilt is SIM unlocked because i am using it on the Telstra network here in Australia. But im not sure if i have to change SPL's or not and if so, which spl i need and how to change it?
It would be greatly appreciated if someone was able to help me understand this SPL bussiness, because i really dont want to dive straight in a risk my device. I have done a fair bit of reading and i'm a fairly competent computer user so it won't take me long to learn.
Thanks in advance,
eMiller

you have to CID unlock it. this involves flashing the device with HardSPL then running a unlocker program. (this is what i know from Hermes, so i don't know if it is exactly the same on Tilt). It breaks the warranty though, so think first, then jump
by the way, you should try a cooked rom. in my experience, HTC roms are not that good, except for getting a stable radio. get the radio, then get a new OS rom, like hang.tuah or something.

warsng said:
you have to CID unlock it. this involves flashing the device with HardSPL then running a unlocker program.
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Ok thanks. Can someone please recomend the best hardSPL and unlocker program for my needs. What do other people with Tilts recomend?

here you go
eMiller12 said:
Ok thanks. Can someone please recomend the best hardSPL and unlocker program for my needs. What do other people with Tilts recomend?
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Try this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Look for the Zip file at the very bottom of the screen this hard spl will let you flash any rom (follow the instructions the spl gives you exactly and dont get nervous if it appears stiuck for a bit), just make sure you know which ROM you really want to flash at the end
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Again same stuff.
Guys, when you gonna learn to read everything which is realted to your device when you want to do something?
Everything is in Wiki, everything you need is posted in ROM threads.
Come on GUYS!

read the f**** wiki. you need hardspl. its not that hard to figure out if your not an imbisel

@joel2009: That is a little harsh. Also, if you're going to call someone an imbecile, you should probably spell it right.
@eMiller12 (fellow noob): I don't know if I would bother with the HTC ROM, I just flashed it and I am finding a few really annoying bugs... Read Jocky's STICKY post about the HardSPLs to learn how to flash one. It really is quite simple--and it's unlikely that you're going to brick your device, so no worries.

Hey FireMedic, thanks for understanding.
I have read through the Wiki a fair bit, i was just unsure which versions of hardSPL etc where best for the [email protected] Tilt inparicular. But i will just use this one that vorostatz recomended if that is the best one for the tilt.

joel2009 said:
read the f**** wiki. you need hardspl. its not that hard to figure out if your not an imbisel
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We are not all senior members. I can fully understand the guys wish not to turn his expensive device into a paperweight. Ease up eh?

search forums using google (at top right)
yeah, exactly... I was pretty scared to hardspl when I first started.
Hardspl 3.29 seems to be the best one, check my signature after you've read the hardspl sticky.
From what I understand, a rom flash might try to write a different spl which is obviously bad. hardspl prevents this.
If you ever need to, you can undo it. Kyphur explains in the hardspl sticky how to change them, by running a program named jumpspl 1.56 (on your device) with your sim and sd cards out and then flashing the spl normally.
Just make sure you follow directions for your device and try different roms.
Good luck and feel free to ask questions, even if some of the people here have heard them way too often.

Special ROMs for Australia
eMiller12 said:
I checked my device and the rom currently on it is the AT&T WM6.0 1.57.502.2 Original Shiped Rom.
I figured, being in Australia, i would need rom that had WWE as the country? So i downloaded the "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship" rom. Is this an appropriete ROM for what i want?
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Actually the WWE (World Wide English) one seems to be used more in Europe and this side of the world. For down-under, they use SEA South East Asia versions. There are issues with ROM compatibility in Australia specifically (at least in the WM 6.0 days) so if you want to know the best official WM 6.0 and 6.1 ROMs, short of searching for what setups Australian xda-dev forum members are using, you could look at the devices on sale in the shops. If you're wanting WM 6.1 just to have the latest and greatest, think again and have a look at the Windows Mobile 6 vs. Windows Mobile 6.1 thread.
***Edit*** Also note that there are two Australian specific ROMs in the WM 6.0 section of the Kaiser HTC ROM wiki

hardspl question

Hello,
Is there any differences between cmonex's hardspl 3.29 and JockyW's 3.29?
What is the recommended spl for the latest roms from garmin\hyperdragon\PDACornerUltimate? 3.29 or 3.56?
And for the last question, Anyone here on vodafone germany network and can recommend me a good radio for my network?
Thanks alot!!!

yes. cmonex's has some minor code revisions to make it run more smoothly, if i remember correctly. also, most chefs will tell you which SPL to use for their roms. as far as the radio question, you'll just have to see which works best for you in your area. it seems that most people use the 1.71.09.01 or the 1.65.24.36 kaiser radios, regardless of their location. check out the Ultimate Radio Thread sticky.

This is a redundant thread, you can ask what the recommended spl is for each rom in the thread for that rom, and you can ask the questions about the respective Hardspl's in the thread for those spl's. Thread closed.

Flashing help...

I've been reading through the forums a bit, and I have flashed a few roms already...(obviously im a noob)...I keep seeing people who say they have SPL: 3.29Hard2. I read through mskip's noob thread for flashing and I used the JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe as guided in the thread...
What is the difference between the two?

jbob0124 said:
I've been reading through the forums a bit, and I have flashed a few roms already...(obviously im a noob)...I keep seeing people who say they have SPL: 3.29Hard2. I read through mskip's noob thread for flashing and I used the JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe as guided in the thread...
What is the difference between the two?
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Jump SPL helps you to install HardSPL. HardSPL is what you need to flash ROMs other than stock ROMs.

I went into the bootload to check my SPL and when I did, it says SPL-1.0.OliPof
Should I update/upgrade it? Does it make any difference?

Short answer is that generally speaking 3.29 or above works best w/ WM 6.1 and 3.34 or above works best w/ 6.5 ... but as always YMMV.
Hard-SPL for Kaiser is tough thing to unravel, so here's a splendid resource --> Kaiser Hard-SPL Rollup Thread
BTW, there's two versions of 3.29 and 3.56 -- .Hard by jockyw2001 and .Hard2 by cmonex, and to this day I'm not entirely sure why...

vp3G said:
Short answer is that generally speaking 3.29 or above works best w/ WM 6.1 and 3.34 or above works best w/ 6.5 ... but as always YMMV.
Hard-SPL for Kaiser is tough thing to unravel, so here's a splendid resource --> Kaiser Hard-SPL Rollup Thread
BTW, there's two versions of 3.29 and 3.56 -- .Hard by jockyw2001 and .Hard2 by cmonex, and to this day I'm not entirely sure why...
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The answer is in that thread (also see cmonex's old sticky)
Question Answered. Please use the mskip - Flashing for n00bs thread for these questions in the future instead of creating a new one.
Thanks
Dave