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Hi all,
My wife's Treo 650 (PalmOS) is dying and she's considering an upgrade to the Treo750. I was very happy to find out that the Treo750 is a HTC device as I began to research on the 750. I have owned an SMT5600 and imate JAM (HTC Magician) before, and now am a proud owner of HTC Touch. I have had very good experience with HTC phones, and honestly I don't think I'll be using another brand ever again in my life
Anyways, even though it will be my wife's phone, I will be the one installing programs, setting it up and tweaking it for her. That's fine, cos I really enjoy it and is the reason why I like PDA-phones. She liked the 650 because it used a Palm OS, which was simpler than WM. But that's fine, as I plan to install launchers that keep things simple and easy for her.
My biggest concern of the 750 though, is it uses a 240x240 screen. I just don't know if I can install regular PPC softwares that are designed for QVGA resolution on it.
She isn't a 'power user' but does require softwares like MSN Messenger, email applications (I use Flexmail), internet browser (Opera Mini is what I use now) as well as the regular PIM applications. I wonder if these software work well in 240x240 resolution.
What's your experience with installing softwares on the Treo750? Is the odd-ball screen size a concern most of the times?
And what's your overall experience with the Treo750?
Thanks in advance,
Go for it and don't look back. I had an HTC Wizard and the Treo 750 is MUCH easier to use. Not as many roms but the day to day use more than makes up for it. I like to try a lot of software and I've only run into one issue with task switching program, otherwise no issues at all. Good luck.
I too have an HTC 8525. I bought a Palm 750 off eBay relatively cheap and popped my SIM card in it so I could see if I wanted to use a 750 more than my 8525.
What I like about the 750 is the keyboard in the front, and the one-handedness use of it vs. my 8525 slide out keyboard and thus requires the use of both hands.
What I like about the 8525 is the fact that it DOES have a slide out keyboard and the keys are bigger than the 750. I also like the larger 240 x 320 screen. I REALLY would love that on the 750.
The other thing that was already mentioned is the ROM's. I put vp3G 3.62.3 on my 8525 and it's terrific. I put the WM6.1 ROM on the Treo (HardSPL required) and that is nice too but it could use more features.
All in all, if screen size isn't a show stopper for you, go with the Treo. I would highly recommend loading MagicButton on it so when you close apps, they truly close instead of staying resident in memory and causing you to bring up task manager to end them all. On the 8525 I use HTC X-Button for this. And it includes an awesome task manager on the home screen in the top right corner.
If you do choose an 8525, I don't think you can go wrong. It's a great solid phone.
I too went through several smartphones before i landed on a Treo 750. Had the Moto MPX220, the 8125, then finally the Treo 750. I have to be hoenst. The 750 wasn't my first choice, but was forced to due to availablility and the need for the 3G connectivity and for a better QWERTY keyboard. Not that the 8125 keyboard was bad, but was looking for something I could type one handed. However, for the 8 months i had this, it was a very good experience. Now with the upgrade to WM6, it is even better.
I would agree that the screen being the square 240 x 240. It may leave you wanting more screen space, but you or your wife will get used to it. It is still functional, if not with alittle more scrolling in some apps.
The keyboard maybe small, but will get used to it very fast. It's very functional, and being a Treo user already, not much of a transition.
I do want to say that the battery life is not great, barely lasts a day...even with minimal useage. From what I read, it's because the of 3G signal, which is famous for sucking the life out of 3G phones from AT&T, but an extended battery will help greatly. But that will make the phone alittle fatter, but worth it. Not saying that the OEM battery is that bad, but you may want to consider a car charger or take a power plug around.
Other than that, being a WM phone...that opens up alot of free apps that would do nothing by enchance the 750. Would I recommend it now....oh heck yes.
Hope that this helps, and good luck
Thanks for all the feedbacks guys ... let's keep them coming!
The screensize isn't a problem. She is using the Treo 650 right now, so it's the same screen size. I am more concerned about software compatibility. As long as (most) PPC / WM programs can be installed on the Treo 750 like regular PDA's, I don't mind the smaller screen.
I suggested the TyTn to her, but her problem is she has a bad habit of dropping the phone ... with her current Treo 650, she puts a hard cover on it and it protects it well from falling. With the TyTn's slide out keyboard, there's no cover of any sort available, and a pouch is too much hassle. Without a cover, she's worried the phone will be badly scratched and dented, if not broken within a month.
Her requirement for the next phone is touchscreen (that eliminates all blackberry's and smartphones), hard button QWERTY keyboard and no slide out keyboard (so you can put hard cover on). I thought hard and long about this and the only phone that meet all 3 requirements is the Treo 750.
The 3G doesn't do a lot for her ... she doesn't use the phone as a modem, and her internet use from the phone is limited to emails, MSN Messenger, and occasionally some light surfing. The fact Treo 750 doesn't even have a camera on the front for video calling makes the 3G even more useless for her.
She'd gladly trade 3G for wifi actually, too bad that's not how it comes in. Speaking of wifi, I understand the Treo supports the Spectrum wifi miniSDIO card. My concern is the Spectec mini SDIO card is a little longer than regular SD card from what I know, because of the antenna. Doesn't that prevent the SD card cover from closing?
Wifi is not a must but a nice to have. Other than that, it sounds like Treo is the most likely candidate at this point. Given her 3 requirements, doesn't seem like there are a lot of choices neither.
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Thanks for all the feedbacks guys ... let's keep them coming!
The screensize isn't a problem. She is using the Treo 650 right now, so it's the same screen size. I am more concerned about software compatibility. As long as (most) PPC / WM programs can be installed on the Treo 750 like regular PDA's, I don't mind the smaller screen.
I suggested the TyTn to her, but her problem is she has a bad habit of dropping the phone ... with her current Treo 650, she puts a hard cover on it and it protects it well from falling. With the TyTn's slide out keyboard, there's no cover of any sort available, and a pouch is too much hassle. Without a cover, she's worried the phone will be badly scratched and dented, if not broken within a month.
Her requirement for the next phone is touchscreen (that eliminates all blackberry's and smartphones), hard button QWERTY keyboard and no slide out keyboard (so you can put hard cover on). I thought hard and long about this and the only phone that meet all 3 requirements is the Treo 750.
The 3G doesn't do a lot for her ... she doesn't use the phone as a modem, and her internet use from the phone is limited to emails, MSN Messenger, and occasionally some light surfing. The fact Treo 750 doesn't even have a camera on the front for video calling makes the 3G even more useless for her.
She'd gladly trade 3G for wifi actually, too bad that's not how it comes in. Speaking of wifi, I understand the Treo supports the Spectrum wifi miniSDIO card. My concern is the Spectec mini SDIO card is a little longer than regular SD card from what I know, because of the antenna. Doesn't that prevent the SD card cover from closing?
Wifi is not a must but a nice to have. Other than that, it sounds like Treo is the most likely candidate at this point. Given her 3 requirements, doesn't seem like there are a lot of choices neither.
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Hi there,
My love affair with PDAs,
1. Palm Zire 72 -> Great PDA till screen crack
2. Palm Treo 650 -> So fast, so easy, damn good phone, now my wife is using it and she fell in love with it too
3. HTC Universal -> Major dissapointment, but love the big screen though, nice for Wifi browsing, messaging and video playback, but sucks big time for a phone
5. Palm Treo 750 -> half of what Palm Treo 650 was.... except for 3G functionality and slightly better camera, Treo 650 will top this anytime of the day
My recommendation to you, stick with Palm OS, 300% faster and stable and more sensible, dont worry about applications, the one built in is good enough, but you may want to get ZLauncher, TCPMP apps in.. the Toysoft Lightwav Pro is an excellent piece of call management software for the Palm OS.... There are new Palm OS devices just launched.. can check out those...
Just my 2 cents...
I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
Seriously... Don't bother!
LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
You will miss your qwerty. I don't know your Blue Angel, But my TC (i think all PocketPCs) has a delay when somebody calls you. Your phone will ring/vibrate after the one who calls you hears the first ring. So if somebody just gives you a call with one ring (bip) you won't hear it! Is it the same in your case, or mine is special? Maybe somebody else with TC can confirm/infirm this...
Yea, mine sort of have that sort of dealy.
I don't use my QWERTY keyboard anyway so that's not a problem.
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LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
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Just everything about it...
The build quality is terrible. Feels like a new hobbyist threw it together in 5 mins.
It seriously underperforms compared to my Old SE P990i and older XDA's
The modifications o2 have made to the software are rubbish.
I'm miffed I didn't hold out for the SE X1i
^ In your opinion, yes its not perfect, the screen is less than ideal but the build quality is great I think. Much better than my old SE P series phone which used to creak whenever squeezed etc and the flush screen is better than orbit 1
But I would hold out for the Diamond
I want the built in GPS, and the Diamond prices ae too much for what it is...
Any other decent HTCs with built in GPS?
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I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
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I've just switched from a Hermes/Tytn to the Orbit2. HardSPL'd it and installed the WM6.1 that's been floating about here and installed TomTom.
Losing the keyboard is a bit annoying (on screen is usable, but nowhere near as good) - but I realized I very rarely typed anything and smaller sized massively outweighs it.
GPS works very well - especially as Quick GPS which really does work.
Downsides:
Lost keyboard.
Upsides:
GPS - now just not having to lug around and charge my BT GPS module, but now much faster and lets me do all manner of stuff (geo-tag photos with a reg tweak), GPS trackers allowing me to see where I've been in google maps blah blah.
Much better camera - not so much the 2M -> 3M change - but AUTOFOCUS.
SMALLER - now it's not a small phone, but it's not an f'in brick like the last one.
No real difference noticed between the processors. Latest 6.1 I put on my Hermes made it lovely and snappy - and performs exactly the same on the Polaris. Only reservation I've got with the polaris is the screen res (i.e. same old rubbish). Not entirely convinced Hi-res WM is much better though after playign with colleagues PDAs - I've got an ipod touch and THAT is what i'd want somehow wedged into my phone..
In summary, if you want a phone now, I'd definitely get the XDA. If you can wait maybe see how Diamond and 3G iPhone stack up.
#edit - and build quality on my XDA (at least) is perfect. Nice solid feeling thing, love the slightly rubberized case.
Thanks very much for your opinion...I think I might just go with the Orbit 2 after all...a VGA screen would be nice, but I'm happy enough to have the standard one...and it's a little smaller than my BLue Angel so that's always a benefit.
Seriously this is an outstanding device. Software is software and any issues can 99% of the time be sorted with it and normally are, especially when you browse around these forums. Also bare in mind that all these devices now use windows mobile so I don't understand why someone would fault the Orbit 2 over another windows mobile device because of the software it comes with.....anyway the hardware itself is exceptional, I've posted a mini review if you look through my post history and there's plenty of in-depth reviews out there.
Losing the keyboard is a good thing in my opinion. A keyboard isn't necessary, its just as easy (if not easier) to use the software input (my personal preference is a T9 style pad that learns words and is very quick to use with just one hand like a normal phone) and obviously you save on weight and bulk.
The Orbit 2 looks great, is extremely responsive and comfortable to use and in my opinion is the best windows mobile device availible at this time.
Quick edit! - regarding the SW, the rom that the O2 Orbit 2 comes with is actually fine anyway, i've never encountered any issues with it - it would be nice to have the threaded SMS that 6.1 has but aside from that its fine and works great. Cheers!
SOunds like you're pretty damn happy with it then
So the 200MHz processor isn't an issue? Still responds well? Thing like TOmtom run well?
The Orbit 2 has a 400MHz CPU, it was the original Orbit that had 200 -it also has twice the amount of memory. TomTom was perfectly useable on the original Orbit but it noticeably runs smoother on the Orbit 2 - The Orbit 2 is a lot better at managing multiple tasks at the same time.
I was in two minds before upgrading becasue I had the original Orbit and wasn't sure if I'd get my money's worth. I was going to send it back if I wasn't happy with it. I'm more than happy with it though as you can tell! its a great device. You've always got that 14 day cooling period with O2 anyway so you may as well give it a go for yourself.
doh...you're right...I was thinking of the original Orbit.
No 14 day cooling off for me..I'm in Australia so the only way to get at a decent price is eBay.
I think I've been convinced to get the Orbit 2...just a pity it doesn't have VGA...and the diamond will probably be a fair amount more than the Orbit 2
Actually a the Diamond will be cheaper then the Polaris/Orbit2... But my oppinion is that the VGA is too much on a 2.8" screen...
The Orbit 2 is a damn good toy... after tuning the cache and graphic settings..speed was even better than before..
also gps works great...a lot of stuff in a small little case...
I am also happy with my orbit 2, copilot in mo is better then tomtom i have both installed.
I like golive's interface and extra settings plus the website for tracking is a good feature.
The Software available is none stop from here and other sources, unlike the iphone i had that you could only load decentish software if you hacked it..
a couple of minor gripes, the screen is a little shiny for sunny day use and the camera could be alot better.
apart from that i am very happy with it, let hops the diamond touch flo 3d becomes available then that will make this device look great.
the hsdpa speed is great when in the right areas, 50k download speed from my laptop...
the gps seems acurate enough, fast on a warm start as well.
its performance could be a little better but overall its very good.
I would install opera mini as i have found this much better then ie and opera mobile for day to day use.
as for the missing keyboard, try touchpal or the diamond keyboards, also make sure you adjust the sensivity of the screen do a search on here, i think the keyboard is great been software as you can load loads of different types and type quicker with the stylus on some over a flip out keyboard.
the flip out keyboard types can be a little thicker as well you cannot replace or remap keys like a software keyboard so there are plus's and minus's to both concepts...
if you type alot then get a bluetooth keyboard, or a laptop.....
i don't think you will b unhappy with your purchase...
Actually imho any HTC device when just introduced will very rarely be upto my expectation and initially i am always dissapointed,for the first few days,its just a matter of customizing(a heart felt thanks to this forum for teaching us how too) to our personal choice and then i just can't seem to live without them.When i took the Cruise i returned it the next day,very dissapointed with the handset,nothing it could do(and in the factory state it could'nt domuch)was enough,I thought that my Kaiser was far better,then after going through the Cruise forum went and picked it up again,customized it and now wonder how did I ever think negatively abbout this handset,I just love it the feel of it in my hand and also the perfomance,ended up keeping both the Kaiser and Cruise without regrets.
Hey there guys,
New to this great Comunity, still new to Windows Mobile.
I'm a tech geek alright, and I love having all the newest tech gadgets around. I've wanted to get a WM phone so many times throughout the last few years but they were always behind in lots of aspects compared to the Symbian ones. Then HTC released its TyTNII with its holy specs, great design and somewhat compact size. This was my phone! Yeah, right! Then I found out about this huge issue with the video performance and followed it for about three monts waiting for a solution either from HTC or XDA. And OK - HTC had some problems with Qualcomm support for its stolen from Broadcomm chipsets whatever. So they released Diamond (and announced Raphael) with a new chipset and "3D GPU" which "processor enhances the user interface". And then again it needs tweaks to make it - not better, but just usable. Then all the other bugs and flaws users say about in this forum.
Can't HTC build a quality device that just works out of the box?! Then leave it to us mostly to customize it and somehow improve its usability!? Man, everyday I read about newer and bigger bugs and flaws. May be most of them will be overcomed thanks to this comunity, but were is HTC with its support for its high-priced devices!?
And again I'm about to leave the idea of having WM phone.
I've looked around for any other brands and models but found none more appealing. What do you think? What's the best WM device I can get in the next few months?
Any opinions are much appreciated.
To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
partyhardy said:
To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
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Give blackberry a chance They've never failed me. Infact, I had my HTC Touch Dual for about a month before switching back. lol.
calling someone is too complicated?
1.) hit the green button
2.) start tapping away or choose speed dial
3.) hit the green button
its similar to what other phones want from you in order to know who you want to call. If thats too complicated, you may also try voice commander?
that beeing said, I am very happy with my new i-mate 9502, but I also considered the samsung i780 and it looks like people who bought it are very happy with it, especially with the form factor and performance.
edit: key for me with winMo devices are things like hardware keys, to reach functions quickly, using a good launcher/today setup like pocketplus +
phoneweaver + todayagenda, etc. and a nice hardware keyboard.
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simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
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Calling is simple, one button... de ding "call simon mobile" etc.
The no error message and not getting calls though is an issue i dislike.
I want a "nippy" device we need better hardware to run the software and better software optimisation for the hardware.
i just bought htc touch enhanced couple of days ago, and for the price it's great. Now with the Diamond coming out, htc touch is getting cheaper, but it's great to use nontheless.
Installed some stuff on it, not enough to make it sluggish but enough to make it a pure pleasure to use and i would definitely recommend it.
Prekrasen telefon za tzenata si.
partyhardy said:
To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
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But why cusomizabilty has to be at the expense of stability? Is it imposible to have a device that is performing great out of the box and has the potential to get improved usability by applications and custom tweaks? That would be the device for me. Don't get me wrong. I'm no mass user, I would consider myself as a techie business user and as such I need a device that I can rely on from the moment I buy it. I don't have the comfort to spend a small fortune and experiment weeks, even months with tweaking it just to make it work properly. I've always thought of WM as of business devices but I guess I was wrong.
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But why cusomizabilty has to be at the expense of stability? Is it imposible to have a device that is performing great out of the box and has the potential to get improved usability by applications and custom tweaks? That would be the device for me. Don't get me wrong. I'm no mass user, I would consider myself as a techie business user and as such I need a device that I can rely on from the moment I buy it. I don't have the comfort to spend a small fortune and experiment weeks, even months with tweaking it just to make it work properly. I've always thought of WM as of business devices but I guess I was wrong.
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Note that the people that use this site are not those that are going to say "my device is great" and then go away... The kind of people here are either those not satisfied, or those that want a little bit more from the hard ware and are not representative of all the device users.
The Diamond is an immensely powerfully device, and even with the UI stacked on top, it ticks away far more reliably than the iPhone (which for me just locked up a lot). If you don't like the UI, disable it and you'll have one of the most powerful WM devices there is...
WM devices don't need tweaking, but this site is devoted to tweaking them. I ran my Prophet perfectly happily on the stock WM5 ROM for over a year, before discovering this site to get it unlocked when the contract ended. I didn't need to tweak it or flash countless ROMs, but I wanted to...
I really hope you're right. I'm gonna wait a little bit more and get the Touch Pro version. It's just all these flaws I read about that stopped me from buying WM the past few years. But I guess I have to give up something to gain something more.
Maybe you want to take a look to the new Samsung. It seems as it's going to be a good device.
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039
WM6 for the money?
I bought a Dash on ebay and upgraded it to WM6 for $150.00.
I have a Mogul now, but the Dash was way easier to use.
In terms of bang-for-the-buck I think the Samsung i780 takes the cake. It is the most specced out phone in that price category. And if you buy one today it will have the newer firmware so it shouldn't have any real issues.
Oh and calling people on a WiMo phone is far easier than any other phone. Voice Command baby. It's the reason I can't leave the WiMo platform even if there are other great choices like the iPhone, Blackberry or even the all-but-dead Palm Treos. And if you DON'T like using Voice Command come on it's very easy to call someone as mentioned. In fact, back when Nokia had crap for menus and directional pads to get to your contacts WiMo phones had touchscreens that made it really easy in comparison. Today the touchscreen is still easier to use than the various jog dials, joysticks or what not that conventional phones have.
+1 for the i780. It is by far the quickest and most responsive PPC I have ever used, and the form factor is perfect. No rotating screens to wait for, all the keyboard shortcuts you could want, terrific build quality, good battery life, bargain price, and none of the HTC Flo-bloat that turns their machines from reasonable PPCs into lagging, crash-happy iPhone wannabes.
I gotta add a +2 for the I780 as well.
I was holding out for a touch pro myself, in fact i cut out a picture of it and put it on my wall at the office. Iv'e owned quite a few HTC models over the last while as well as a I600, and i gotta say the I600 altho it had less functionality far outshined all but my tytn 2, altho the tytn 2 could not match the I600 im picture quality with the camera.
Last week i was in vodacom shop and saw the I780 demo model, picked it up and played with it for a while and i must say it has been a long time since a phone made me go "wow" , i was totaly amazed at the speed of the thing, the look and feel of it is great, samsung put alot of work into making the menu's just right for any user from beginner to power user. I made up my mind right there and then and bought one on my credit card, that was 7 days ago.
my experience so far :
Proprioty connector sux since i have a bunch of standard usb cables lying around, but still its not a train smash since you get usb cable, car charger, spare battery as well as a seperate portable battery charger as well with the phone.
Speed is AWSOME, 624mhz of power you will definitely notice, i have not found a single movie clip that has once lagged or was out of sinc with video/audio. this phone is really FAST, even when multi tasking it doesnt slow down. i have 2 friends who own tytn 2 and both commented on the speed, they both think i tweaked it to make it faster, they refuse to believe its the stock speed. ofcourse i did not tweak it.
Plenty of memory, i have 152mb free memory space on the phone and i have around 20 apps installed. the phone can also technicaly take up to 32gb cards i have read, altho most users use 1gb-8gb.
GPS is great, i had a bit of problem setting it up as i didnt bother reading the manual etc, but once i figured it out it worked like a charm, it pin pointed me in seconds. google maps work great as well. Garmin XT which comes with the phone is in my opinion far better than tomtom could ever be so i am very happy with samsung's choice of gps software.
Touch pad mouse was what put me off buying the phone in the first place, but after 6 days i find myself using it more than anything else, it was weird to use the first few days but it is second nature now and the phone just wouldnt be the same without it.
the keypad looks really tiny and i have biggish fingers. I dont know why, maybe its because they are beveled quite a bit or something, but i find it very easy and comfortable to use, do yourself a favour and try it on a demo model, you will see what i mean. the phone has a bunch of shortcut keys that sit in all the right spots, thumbs up to samsung for doing a good job there. one thing i would have liked was a jog dial for easy up and down scrolling in opera, I downloaded a app that changes volume up/down to scroll up/down and my problem was solved.
Screen is nice and bright, even in sunlight i dont have a problem. 320x320 at 128dpi is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. 95% of software out there works flawless at this resolution, since the release of the phone software developers have all been upgrading to support it. its mainly only HTC home that is a problem, but spb mobile which has more funtions works perfect so i am not bothered. I have installed all 20 of my favorite apps and all work nicely so im happy. there are some games that might be an issue tho, but its mostly old titles, every new game being released supports this resolution.
3G. Wireless, HSDPA etc : with my tytn 2 i had 1 bar to my router from the living room, with this phone i have almost full signal, i was really surprised with that. in the bathroom i used to get gprs only with the tytn 2, with this phone i get 3G+. anyway, that is how i have compared it to my old phone and found this one to have far better signal quality.
overall i love the phone, i am convinced i made the right choice. i would have loved a flash to be included with the phone, but other than that i just cant find any flaws.
I cant really comment on battery life as i am still playing with everything alot and using more battery life than i would on avarage, but currently battery lasts me almost 2 full days and trust me, i put it under alot of stress plus you get a second battery with the phone for free. but i estimate 3 to 4 days if you dont put to much strain on it.
O also forgot to mention, video calling worked out of the box much to my surprise. phone came with the E1 rom installed.
Software currently on phone and working perfectly :
Skype
SmS Chat ( threaded sms app )
google maps
Opera
core player
real player
Esmertec Jbed
Advabced config Tools
Adobe reader
Fun contact
Keyswop
Pocket IRC
Pocket Rar
PqzII
Safemode 2
Garmin XT
SPB Mobile shell
WKTaskL
Samsung today plugin
Astraware Casino
Tetris
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Call firewall.
And no i did not install realvga, i am using the default 128dpi resolution i got the phone with.
Anyway, hope this helps with your descision. what you really need to do it test the phone yourself, i warn you tho, once you pick it up you wont want to put it down
In my country the HTC Tytn 2 is selling for R8900, and its already an dated model.
the I780 is selling for R5200 which is ALOT cheaper and this phone blows smoke in the tytn 2's face. so in my opinion this is by far the best bang for buck out there.
Its kinda like buying a 9600gt when everyone else is buying the 8600gts .... just love seeying their faces when they realise they just pissed away a chunk of cash on the wrong thing
If all else fails read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411053
The best windows mobile device for it's money is undoubtely the HTC Shift, for a mere 1000 dollars you'll get a run-down WindowsMobile OS, but also Vista. So you'll have a hybrid for the price of just a good laptop.
Isn't is great ?
I think the HTC Touch PRO will blow the competition away, seriously!!!
I was a symbian freak for years untill I bought my current device, the HTC S710 "Vox". Before the Vox I went trough several Symbian S60 devices including Nokia 7610, 6630, N70 & N73.
At first I thougt wm was a complete mess... and the UI looked terrible imo... I was also a bit shocked that there was no copy/paste (at least in wm6 standard). In S60 there was a dedicated pencil key used for just copy/paste actions + other stuff..
Things have changed...
Now after using my Vox fox exactly one year there's no way I'd go back to only using symbian S60 again.
Even though I'm only using the non-touch version of wm I've noticed all the advantages of wm compared with symbian S60.
Let me list a few of them:
1. Messaging: Sending SMS & MMS with a S60 device is OK but nothing more, the whole messaging interface in a S60 3d edition device is inferior. It's hard to explain but it's just doesn't compare to what it feels like on a wm device. It's like using a 3310 with a color screen if you know what I mean. Oooold T9 (forget about xt9 with word prediction & etc), the whole interface looks like a joke, and the S60 MMS editor doesn't even have a 3'rd of every options you can find in a standard WM device these days.
2. Email: OMG, If you wanna check your mail on a S60 device you'll be seriously depressed. Reading emails on a S60 device is like reading a standard SMS. You can forget all about HTML email and everything looks incredibly boring. Yes there are some really good 3rd party apps like profimail but still they're no match for the built-in mobile outlook when it comes to displaying your emails.
3. Calendar: There's no comparision here, WM6 calendar thrumps the S60 one, nothing more to say!
4. Contacts: S60 is far far behind, there's so much easier and faster finding a contact in WM6, especially when you can search contacts quickly just by typing there first letters using xt9... And with Live messenger integrated (love it or hate it) with contacts it's a nice addition imo.
5. Office applications: OMG... This is overkill for S60!!! Even WM6 standard edition nowadays includes Office mobile which beatifully renders word, excell & powerpoint files. It's a shame it doesn't allow you to create new documents (on WM6 standard) but that can easily be fixed with a simple patch from modaco forums... S60 includes quickoffice, it's not a bad application at all but documents rendered in quickoffice doesn't even look nearly as good as they do in office mobile.
6. WIFI: No competition here at all... WM is superior in remembering hotspots and connectivity.
7. ActiveSync: Says it all doesn't it??? Nokia have PC Suite, it's a great app but it's no match if you're using outlook... It works ok but doesn't sync everything like activesync does so wm is the winner here as well....
8. Live Messenger: Probably not very important to a lot of people but for me it's very important. With WM6 I can use the native WM Live messenger client completely for free. There's no way to do that on Symbian because MS is charging for using it on other platforms
There's probably more I could add to the list but I must mention all my troubles with wm in the beginning have been solved, I'm using Vito Copy/Paste for the copy & paste issue & I've also added celetask to a hardware key so my phone actually works better in this apartment than I could ever wish four... Of course Symbian S60 also have advantages, like better cameras & video recording, more display colors & better gaming with the new N-gage platform etc... but in the end I think WM is a more advanced & better platform. I think WM is more appealing for geeks & techheads because you can tweak your device to infinity. And I'm still only talking about WM Standard, WM6 PRO is even more versatile.
S60 is fun for a while but in the end it gets boring as hell...
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To be honest, I've grown quite tired of Windows Mobile. I used to like it more, but it seems like I spent way too much time getting things to work. Also, the interface is very user UN-friendly, which makes doing simple tasks like calling someone too time consuming. Then there is the random freeze ups like the one I had today, which caused me to miss 5 calls and no warning lights or anything.
I like the cusomizabilty, but sometimes, I just want something that works right out of the box. Also, performance wise, all of the HTC/WM phones I've used are sluggish. (My mogul, friend's 6700, another friend's Kaiser/TyTnII). The redraw time when you flip out the keyboard is rediculous, specially if you have a few plugins.
Overall, I may give one more WM phone a try, if I am impressed by it at the store. But I doubt it. I just don't see Microsoft doing any innovations since they hold the crown as far as market share goes in the U.S. Maybe when an Android phones comes out...
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Performance issue of WM are device specific. After being a HTC hardcore for many years, and after quite a number of frustating moments I decided to switch.....almost bought myself the new Nokia E71 and abandon WM altotgether BUT - I decided to give it one more try with WM and now it's with a Samsung. And that's how I ended with the i780.
With the i780 (DXHE1 Rom), it's like a rediscovery for me. After getting used to HTC sluggishness and sporadic freeze-ups, I was genuinely astounded by how nimble and steadfast this i780 is. I can recall until now I have not encountered any freeze-ups no matter how I abuse the programs running back to back. Yes some buggy program may screw up but the nice thing is it won't freeze the whole phone unlike HTC devices where a single program fails it will bring down the whole phone.
And for the price, the i780 is a steal. It has all the arsenal one could expect from HTC flagship models yet it cost way cheaper - that is a real deal to me.
If you are done with HTC, don't blame it on WM. Try different make, like i-Mate Arima build or Samsung or even Asus.
Well, for those that have owned both, think it's worth the upgrade/change from a tilt to a fuze?
I only got Fuze because I broke my Tilt. If Tilt was still working I don't think I would have upgraded for $500 (full price since I did not use my upgrade)
If there was a Black Friday sale and Fuze was $150~$200, then I would have upgraded even if I had Titl just for the VGA screen.
With the VGA screen I can use LogMeIn and access servers and computers I manage from anywhere.
It was possible with QVGA as well but it was very hard to get around the screen.
Same boat. I lost my Tilt 2 weeks ago and needed a new phone. I only paid 350 because I was due for a new contract.
I like the Fuze but there are a few items I liked on my Tilt.
1. I miss all the buttons. I am slowly getting used to TouchFlo but I REALLY used Start menu, cammera and Email buttons a lot.
2. I keep trying to Tilt my Fuze I guess I miss that too.
3. Biggest one for me - The Fuze REALLY does attract finger prints. I have to keep a silk cloth with me at all times.
4. Having problems with tethering. I think I have it resolved though.
5. Windows Live doesn't seem to work very well and I use it for hotmail.
Now- Things that I like-
1. Form factor is great!
2. VGA screen is great.
3. Software that comes bundled is pretty decent.
4. Flush screen does make touch more usefull
5. BIGGEST item for me is you can now add device as mass storage and copy files (mp3s) over quickly without using active synch.
6. The FM radio (once enabled) is pretty cool. Pretty good quality.
In my opinion it is a great phone, I like it more every day. I will admit the first few hours I wish I had purchased another Tilt. Slowly, I am convinced I made the right decision to upgrade.
From a dev/hardware point of view:
the Good:
a high dpi, true transflective screen (instead of Kaiser's crappy transmissive) that puts it on par with my Sony VAIO x-brite screen
auto-backlight so you don't have to walk outside and then fumble around a washed out screen to find the brightness controls
backlight nicely fades in and out
working OpenGL-ES drivers that survives suspend
flush screen that makes touch-interface easier to use
higher feedback into the earpiece during phone calls so you can hear how loud you're speaking
storage-mode usb (and it's usb 2.0 high-speed too instead of the fake usb 2.0 full-speed of Kaiser) with menu selection much like SonyEricsson z750
volume setting button that works more smoothly
much nicer (iPhone-like) phone UI
magnetic stylus holder so it's harder to fling/lose it
the Bad:
missing a lot of useful controls such as camera, scroll-wheel, windows key
smart-touch (circle scrolling) doesn't work with most apps, nor even the OS menus so gimmicky
smart-touch zooming with Opera is pretty bad because zoom resolves too slowly
auto-rotation of screen by accelerometer gimmicky and can't be disabled esp if you want to read while lying down
Java (jbed) still BROKEN (since the WM6.1 update) where it gets confused if it's the active app or not and you have to bounce between Today and Java before java starts responding to touch/buttons again
D3D is still shipped with illegal and broken test-rig driver. Have to apply d3d_ati.dll patch to get it decently working (affects Opera since it uses DirectDraw).
still ships with .NETCF 2.0. Have to update to 3.5 and apply .net configurator before Schap's Advanced Config 3.3 will work.
HSDPA forced off. Need a new variation of KaiserSimFix to fix it so it survives soft-reset.
keyboard is a bit cramped compared to Kaiser, but you got a lot more fn-less keys
auto-backlight doesn't range down to the lowest backlight level so too bright in a dark room
GPS is broken is some way (without fiddling with TeleNav) so that AGPS just causes multiple gps-disconnects, and agps-less locks take something like 2-3 minutes longer than Kaiser
finger-print magnet
eats a lot more ram (90M+B resident instead of Kaiser's 40MB+)
24 resident apps running all the time and very close to the 32 limit of wince
This is basically the "Kaiser" that should've been released last year instead of that huge foobar the Kaiser is.
I will have mine within a few hours. It got delivered to my door at noon and I am excited to see what it has in store..... I will also try and comment on the two.
I'm not sold yet. I got the Fuze on Monday, I agree with you and espically the fingerpring magnet. WEW... I'm now playing around with my Tilt and trying to decide. I have so many acces. for my Tilt. And I don't see that much of a difference between the 2 of them as far as programs. I love the build of the Tilt, far better then the Fuze, and I still have 8 months on my warranty for the Tilt, Just got in July. And using TF2 it's pretty much the same. Well decide.
For me, I had a custom rom on the Tilt w/ TF2D and I have a custom rom on the Fuze w/ TF3D. The Fuze is much smoother interface, faster, the eye candy is amusing, programs launch faster.
Also, contrary to what I've been reading, my GPS locks on extremely fast with Google Maps but will not work at all with Live Search. In GM it locks in in under 5 seconds, on like 9 satellites.
Oh yea, and my Tilt broke but I was eligible for an upgrade so I bought another one on 10/17, and returned it within my 30 days and paid the $50 difference to get the Fuze.
My GPS seems to lock pretty quick as well with google maps but have not tried live. I just recently ordered a Zagg invisible shield which should solve the fingerprint issue. But overall it's seems faster then my tilt all around and am pretty happy I switched although I paid full price since I wasted my upgrade on an iPhone.
I got my Fuze for $300, and sold my Tilt for $250, so it was a no brainer. So far, I have many more pros than cons. The screen resolution alone was worth the upgrade.
Speed and response seem about the same as my tilt (I had a hyperdragon rom w/manilla)
Touchflo 3D is pretty spiffy, but not that much better than manilla 2d on the tilt. I like that the Fuze is smaller, and feels much more sturdy, also the screen is flush so no more trapped dirt around the screen edges. Everyone cries about the fingerprints, but you can easily wipe the phone off, its not that big of deal.
I'm still getting used to the new keyboard, but I do like it better.
The fact that there are less buttons on the Fuze is a bummer, but not a deal breaker. I do actually miss the screen tilt, and the solid back plate. If your typing on the keyboard while the phone is laying on a table it tends to rock back and forth.
I had no problems using the GPS with Live search. The fact that there is a ton of ATT crapware on the phone can be fixed with a ROM flash later on.
The G-sensor is fun to play with, but so far really not very usefull.
I haven't tried much testing yet, but so far video playback seems much better.
Overall I would say I'm happy I got the Fuze, and I don't miss my Tilt.
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D3D is still shipped with illegal and broken test-rig driver. Have to apply d3d_ati.dll patch to get it decently working (affects Opera since it uses DirectDraw).
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I've tried that patch and I see no diference in Opera/OS landscape mode. Same poor redraw (videos).
Just got my fuze... Looks great, except I miss the "tilt" and scroll wheel of the tilt. But the advantages of the fuze are too great and many (Besides, may still get the Omnia with the vga screen from Korea.). PLUS, after only 1 years worth of use, the fake chrome on the buttons is wearing off. Or else I'd get a new tilt for my daughter-- she loves the tilting screen, and doesn't care about the "extras".
So after a full day of use I would agree that the Fuze is a better phone. I still have the crappy AT&T bloatware on it still, but like the performance over the tilt. The graphics are superior, and has more opportunity than the tilt. My only issues(that will take time to get used to):
-navigation buttons
-volume up/down on the side. When you try to increase it, it tries to slide the keyboard open.
-Fingerprint magnet, but just wipe it off on my shirt.
Other than those small issues, this phone is far superior in my mind and is worth the upgrade.
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Well, for those that have owned both, think it's worth the upgrade/change from a tilt to a fuze?
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I strongly suggest the upgrade.. It's better to get used to the Fuze before other similar HTC Phones come out. (YES, THERE IS LEARNING CURVE.. I've owned my Fuze for 3 days now and I'm so glad i got rid of it)
I'm not sure about you, but the biggest factor that killed it for me on the Tilt was it's vga video card
The Fuze's VGA is Excellent.. It's like it has a mini HD 2400 XT video card in it.. It's very crisp and something I did not expect. Touch Flo is awesome, better than an IPhone 3G's touch screen. Get it as soon as possible
Come on, the Fuze touchscreen or any other is not better than the iphone. I've tried my share of touchscreens. Apple has that nailed. That being said I think the Fuze is a nice upgrade over the Tilt.
The screen is nice but so far I'm not wow-ed enough by it to convince me to keep the Fuze over the Tilt.
I miss the easier to use slideout keyboard of the Tilt. The Fuze buttons are smaller and placed strangely...why put the FN immediately to the left of the A? Stupid.
No soft keys. No camera key. Had to remap the Home button to NOT go to the today screen but instead do Windows Start. Hated the bloatware. Hate TouchFlo. Immediately removed all that crap to make the Fuze more useable. Don't like Opera and with the AT&T customizations, it defaults to Opera over PIE...yuck.
sp44 said:
Come on, the Fuze touchscreen or any other is not better than the iphone. I've tried my share of touchscreens. Apple has that nailed. That being said I think the Fuze is a nice upgrade over the Tilt.
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Totally agree, I've had the Iphone and my Partner has the 3G Iphone, can't touch the Touch Screen on the Iphone, shame it's more for fun then work. LOL
sp44 said:
Come on, the Fuze touchscreen or any other is not better than the iphone. I've tried my share of touchscreens. Apple has that nailed. That being said I think the Fuze is a nice upgrade over the Tilt.
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I don't miss my iPhone touchscreen at all. The multi-touch functionality of the iPhone screen was nice but the only thing I ever used it for was zooming in and out of webpages and the scrollwheel of the Fuze is a nice replacement for that functionality.
And I'm frequently using my phone outside in cold weather so being able to use the touchscreen with gloves on and/or use a stylus makes the Fuze screen superior IMO. Plus, with the Fuze I can edit the registry to adjsut the touch sensitivity and I don't think you can do that with the iPhone.
trjons said:
The screen is nice but so far I'm not wow-ed enough by it to convince me to keep the Fuze over the Tilt.
I miss the easier to use slideout keyboard of the Tilt. The Fuze buttons are smaller and placed strangely...why put the FN immediately to the left of the A? Stupid.
No soft keys. No camera key. Had to remap the Home button to NOT go to the today screen but instead do Windows Start. Hated the bloatware. Hate TouchFlo. Immediately removed all that crap to make the Fuze more useable. Don't like Opera and with the AT&T customizations, it defaults to Opera over PIE...yuck.
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Totally agree. I've had mine since Monday, and have finally decided just not good enough over the Tilt, espically as I have 8 months left on the warranty and all the asscs I have brought for it.. I've gotten to really enjoy TF2 and I feel the Fuze is not as fast as the Tilt. Just my opion. There's a phone and mine is the Tilt. After all the sleep I lost over the Fuze and now I'm taking it back. LOL well unless someone wants it for 300.00.
Beachboyde
trjons said:
The screen is nice but so far I'm not wow-ed enough by it to convince me to keep the Fuze over the Tilt.
I miss the easier to use slideout keyboard of the Tilt. The Fuze buttons are smaller and placed strangely...why put the FN immediately to the left of the A? Stupid.
No soft keys. No camera key. Had to remap the Home button to NOT go to the today screen but instead do Windows Start. Hated the bloatware. Hate TouchFlo. Immediately removed all that crap to make the Fuze more useable. Don't like Opera and with the AT&T customizations, it defaults to Opera over PIE...yuck.
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Yikes, sounds like someone needs an old Palm device J/k, to each their own.
I have had the Fuze for a half day and want to put it through it's 30 days before deciding but so far I love it. Can't really judge battery life cause it hasn't left my had for about 5 hours and is down to 30% but in a normal day my Tilt never saw that usage either so we'll see.
beachboyde
i'll buy if you'll ship it to Europe
I'm a tilt user currently and looking to upgrade my phone with AT&T. Can someone give me the pros and cons of owning the Fuze? Is it as versatile as the Tilt? What about connectivity, ease of browsing, GPS etc. I like tinkering with my Tilt using Visual Studio.NET. Would I be able to keep doing that with the Fuze?
Any response would be appreciated.
ashoooo said:
I'm a tilt user currently and looking to upgrade my phone with AT&T. Can someone give me the pros and cons of owning the Fuze? Is it as versatile as the Tilt? What about connectivity, ease of browsing, GPS etc. I like tinkering with my Tilt using Visual Studio.NET. Would I be able to keep doing that with the Fuze?
Any response would be appreciated.
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My Tilit was replaced (by insurance) with a Fuze a couple moths ago - the Tilt had developed radio issues. I have been very happy with the Fuze. Other than the lack of hardware keys (which is fairly easy to get used to), my Fuze does everything that the Tilt did, and does most things better. The display is amazing, the flat face really makes it easy to use without a stylus (you can touch the corners of the screen easier). Once I switched to the radio in my sig, I haven't had any GPS issues, other than a SLIGHT lag as compared to my old Tilt. GPS fixes (aGPS) usually take less than 10 seconds, and are just as accurate as they were on the Tilt.
All things considered, I am very happy with my Fuze. Given the choice between a Fuze or a Tilt, after having used both, I would definitely choose the Fuze.
I loved my Tilt. It was one of the "Top 25 most innovative electronic devices in 2008". Got my Fuze the day it came out, and gave my Tilt to my GF almost immediately. lol
Does everything my Tilt did (except tilt of course) but WAY better. GPS lock is a little slower, and the battery doesn't last as long, but you will not be disappointed.
I own the Fuze
Pros:
BEAUTIFUL VGA screen
VGA screen = better web browsing
Good enough battery life to last a full day comfortably and charging at night
LED Flashlight + hTorthc = powerful flashlight (BIG PRO to me)
Much more stylish and attraticve
Cons:
No Control Key
No Control Key
No Control Key (Did i mention that already)
No TAB key (Who the hell needs a caps lock button???)
No scroll wheel like the tilt (uses capacitve touch that doesn't work with all programs by default)
lack of hardware buttons (new leaked AT&T rom allows you to change the PTT buton)
No 2nd camera
All in All, very pleased with the phone, The battery life is really satisfactory for me - i get a full day of above average use out of the phone, never feel like the battery is too weak for the phone.
I LOVE the accelerometer, gives the phone a Lot more functionality (programs and games)
But AT&T REALLY pissed me off about the keyboard. Instead of control+v or control+c etc shortcuts, they give you an "ok" button! Seriously, and what about the tab key, they replace it with a "caps" key.
Those flaws are enough to make me consider buying a damn unlocked Touch Pro and enjoying it.
I love this phone though, I have to say, this is the first phone that has everything i need and more. I plan on using this phone for years and simply updating the OS every once in a while. (though right now stilling with AT&T firmware until i get everything ironed out like preferred applications and such
The phone has its issues, but most of them are related to windows mobile ha ha.
The biggest asset of this phone over other phones is the VGA scree. This is a blessing and a curse because of the compatibility with older programs. But in reality, the graphics are simply stunning and crystal clear.
If you do buy the phone, make sure to update to the latest leaked rom from AT&T - it will fix some performance issues, and GPS issues. I also noticed the camera speed is quite improved
Cassetti said:
Pros:
BEAUTIFUL VGA screen
VGA screen = better web browsing
Good enough battery life to last a full day comfortably and charging at night
LED Flashlight + hTorthc = powerful flashlight (BIG PRO to me)
Much more stylish and attraticve
Cons:
No Control Key
No Control Key
No Control Key (Did i mention that already)
No TAB key (Who the hell needs a caps lock button???)
No scroll wheel like the tilt (uses capacitve touch that doesn't work with all programs by default)
lack of hardware buttons (new leaked AT&T rom allows you to change the PTT buton)
No 2nd camera
All in All, very pleased with the phone, The battery life is really satisfactory for me - i get a full day of above average use out of the phone, never feel like the battery is too weak for the phone.
I LOVE the accelerometer, gives the phone a Lot more functionality (programs and games)
But AT&T REALLY pissed me off about the keyboard. Instead of control+v or control+c etc shortcuts, they give you an "ok" button! Seriously, and what about the tab key, they replace it with a "caps" key.
Those flaws are enough to make me consider buying a damn unlocked Touch Pro and enjoying it.
I love this phone though, I have to say, this is the first phone that has everything i need and more. I plan on using this phone for years and simply updating the OS every once in a while. (though right now stilling with AT&T firmware until i get everything ironed out like preferred applications and such
The phone has its issues, but most of them are related to windows mobile ha ha.
The biggest asset of this phone over other phones is the VGA scree. This is a blessing and a curse because of the compatibility with older programs. But in reality, the graphics are simply stunning and crystal clear.
If you do buy the phone, make sure to update to the latest leaked rom from AT&T - it will fix some performance issues, and GPS issues. I also noticed the camera speed is quite improved
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I agree with a lot of this post... Had a tilt for a little over 2 years, and loved it, had a 8125 and an 8525 before those... Missing the hardware keys took some getting used to, but since then, I'm doing great. Bought an international touch pro, and ended up swapping it for a fuze to get the HSDPA speed back... I plan on swapping the keyboard to get rid of the annoying one that AT&T replaced it with, but other then that I think most Tilt users would enjoy the upgrade...
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I agree with a lot of this post... Had a tilt for a little over 2 years, and loved it, had a 8125 and an 8525 before those... Missing the hardware keys took some getting used to, but since then, I'm doing great. Bought an international touch pro, and ended up swapping it for a fuze to get the HSDPA speed back... I plan on swapping the keyboard to get rid of the annoying one that AT&T replaced it with, but other then that I think most Tilt users would enjoy the upgrade...
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how hard was it swapping out the keyboard?
Have to agree on the Fuze keyboard: someone was smoking a LOT of crack that day. The lack of a proper D-pad is annoying, and stuffing VGA into the same 2.8" of screen space keeps that resolution from being nearly as useful as it might have been, but the picture is outstanding. Battery life will be a surprise for you as a tilt user and as much as you think you won't miss the tilting screen, you will. Also, the keys on the Fuze keyboard are smaller than the Tilt, so that takes some adjustment.
I have both a Fuze and a Tilt: the Fuze is the better overall device, but the Tilt is the best "bang for your buck" that can be had.
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I loved my Tilt. It was one of the "Top 25 most innovative electronic devices in 2008". Got my Fuze the day it came out, and gave my Tilt to my GF almost immediately. lol
Does everything my Tilt did (except tilt of course) but WAY better. GPS lock is a little slower, and the battery doesn't last as long, but you will not be disappointed.
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lol...ditto!
got my fuze in feb., with the tilt i flashed almost as soon as i got it. Im still holding out with the fuze. I like it that much. The slight lag, also found on the tilt is remedied for me by one soft reset a day. I also geocache with both phones (wifey now has the tilt), and gps is a little slower on fuze to appear (10sec) but after that it works great. I think ive missed the tilt feature exactly once with sunlight in the car shining on the screen. But the flat flush screen is SO MUCH better youll look at your tilt like a dinosaur one week after you get your fuze.
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Thanks for your replies guys. Very much appreciated. Seems like I might end up buying this device afterall.
Yeah you should. I find it to be superior to the Tilt in almost every way, minus the lack of a few buttons and the slight GPS lag. It has a great screen and let me make this very clear...much better than the Tilt. I had a Tilt and upgraded to the Fuze...I actually went "Wow..." when I saw the screen. The flat surface makes it infinitely easier to work the touch screen with your fingers instead of having to use buttons. I'd pick one up.