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Have Wizard, want Dash, am I crazy?

Ok, so I have a K-Jam, and I'm considering getting the new T-mobile Dash (excallibur).
I'd be losing touch screen, and losing full windows mobile, as the Dash is WM Smartphone Edition.
But, it is a 200mhz OMAP processor. So is my wizard, but I succesfully run my wizard at 273mhz (with batterystatus today plugin). Is there a way to overclock the dash to more than 200mhz?
Will I really miss the touchscreen? I mainly use my wizard to sync with an exchange server, and i browse the web and use agile for IM.
I rarely use the camera...and I rarely use the bluetooth, but I do tether my wizard to my powerbook and use t-mobile's edge service.
Am I nuts? or will the dash be nice? I like it's size, and I don't really like the slide out design of the wizard, but I do like the size of the keyboard, so I think I'll have to get used to the smaller keyboard on the dash.

keep wizard kkthx

I personally don't like wm smartphone but it could be for you. You could go with the dash and take it on a test run. Tell the people there at t0mobile that your unsure and would like to try it out, they got to have a period where you can return the phone.
also i don't think you'd have to worry about the processor speed on a wm smartphone

I've used mpx and audiovox smartphones for awhile. Only good thing about them is the size. Other than that, all the good stuff is gone.
If you don't mind the programs, and touchscreen, then you should get it since you don't fully use all the ppc's functions.

weezy said:
I've used mpx and audiovox smartphones for awhile. Only good thing about them is the size. Other than that, all the good stuff is gone.
If you don't mind the programs, and touchscreen, then you should get it since you don't fully use all the ppc's functions.
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Maybe you should try the Treo, I always like thier formfactor. Very handy keyboard and you can actually use on hand.

I think you should stick with the Wizard or go for the Tytn.

tmo allows a return peroiod of 14 days but keep the wiz. dash doesnt even compare

I just recently went from a 6700 (HTC apache) to the Treo 700wx to the Moto Q with MOL2 update.
Smartphone is quite different but if all you need it for is Internet, email, IM, video, PIM, phone etc it works just fine, maybe even better.
Took me a week to get used to it but the size, simplicity and awesome Homescreens have made me decide to keep it (see HERE for a list of links).
I don't miss the touchscreen and I've been able to replace about 95% of my apps with smartphone ones.
I recommend picking it up, tweaking it playing with it for 2-3 days then actually activating it if you like it. If it doesn't work, just return it.
Honestly, I don't find a huge difference between functionality of full WM5 vs Smartphone. It's all overblown.

Treo 750v or TyTn?

As an ex Palm 650 owner (still my favourite in many ways) i'm really interested in the 750v. i've currently got a TyTn (MDA Vario II) but, as usual with these devices, i'm not totally convinced by it, especially the phone functions (too easy to miss a call!).
So, does anyone have direct experience of the TyTn and the 750v? Which do you prefer and why?
Also, if you are making the switch, would it be better to wait for the Palm release (a couple of months i've been told) rather than going Vodaphone and having to unlock it and having all the Vodaphone add-ons?
thanks
mike

I have the same question. I have a TyTn now, it's great, but the form factor of the Treo seems better (I loved my 650 other than the OS)

I was first thinking of getting the Tytn but I don't like the looks. I'm actually still contemplating of either the Treo 750V or the HTC Artemis.

I have owned the Wizard and now the 750v I think that the Palm tweaks are what sets this phone aside from any other. Yes it doesn't have Wifi, but to me it's the best WM PPC "PHONE" out there. If you need WiFi then i will stick with your Tytn, even though you can add a mini sd WiFi card to it. I also own a SE P990, and right now the Treo is my primary phone, it's just amazing, and it's fast. Really happy with the shipped ROM for Voda, even though they have lost points for not including Pocket MSN ie. no messenger, or hotmail accounts built in. Which sucks cause I actually use it, but you can get it with the Cingular ROM on here. One thing found out is that I do not like phones that move. I love the fact that it has a static kb, and WM 5.2. the screen is great to me very bright. Just really happy with this device.

i too owned a Tytn, but sold it because my employer required me to use a corp phone to get reimbursed for cell expenses. after suffering severe PPC withdrawal symptons and pleading for an exception with my employer, i picked up the 750v. kudos to Palm for making this a solid one-handed device. oh, and not to mention the great call/sound quality. i'm using the HTTPMail program to get my MSN/Hotmail. it adds "HTTP" as a mail service similar to "POP3" and "IMAP". this implementation allows one to create a MSN/Hotmail account using the PPC outlook clien..i know it's an extra expense, but it's well worth it to me.

I decided not to get Treo because of its screen resolution. At a time when small VGA Pocket PC are on the horizon aka Gigabyte g-Smart i200, why would I want to be stuck with nasty 240 * 240?

I come from a Dopod 838, which is the Cingular 8125 in the states. Personally, the resolution problem is not as bad as it seems. Most things fit well, and its an acceptable compromise for someone the device 50% for calls/sms/email and 50% for data. If you're an 80% data user, the Tytn may make sense.
For me, having to flip the slider EVERYTIME really made the 838 quite inconvenient. I have played with the Tytn, and a personal friend who owns it, says its alright... but crashes once or twice each day. (granted he loaded LOTS of 3rd party stuff). I think its more practical as a data pda... the phone features are an afterthought.
Yea, not having PocketMSN is a bummer, but you can try the Windows Live messenger beta. (Just turn off the Today screen plugins,.. and the Live email doesn't work yet because the servers/services are not activiated on MS's end)
Live messenger works great, looks great. Though its quite a power hog, so hard for extended day long use. For that Verichat works better... but there's an annual charge.

raven2000 said:
I decided not to get Treo because of its screen resolution. At a time when small VGA Pocket PC are on the horizon aka Gigabyte g-Smart i200, why would I want to be stuck with nasty 240 * 240?
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form over function? i agree it's not at pretty as the Tytn's but the 750v screen is more than adequate.

This is great guys, thank you. haven't seen anything to put me off the 750v - I don't use MSN or Hotmail and I definitely prefer the form factor of the 750v.
Guess I'll be switching over soon

I was a Treo 600 user till I got a MDA Vario (aka Wizard), changed to TyTn after that, the screen is great and that about the only thing I miss, I have to say I hated that phone, the phone itself is so unfriendly to use, I missed so many calls and it has a habit of crashing alot.
I managed to swing a trade to 750v and my life improved dramtically, going from the TyTn screen to the 750v screen take all of a couple of days to get over, the 750v screen not great but does the job just fine, now I can use it as a phone, its just so easy, love it. I would never turn back, i loved my Treo 600 and 750v has put Treo back on track for me.
For me there no choice in the matter, 750v everytime.

took the plunge
So, went down to my local Vodafone business store yesterday and got the 750v. £50 for the phone on a 12 month contract at £25 per month - good deal.
Instant love - the form factor just can't be beat! it just feels right in your hand.
unlocked the phone and put in my t-mobile sim, set up the push email and everything works like a dream.
put in my favourite software and.......that's where it falls down (slightly!). that 240 x 240 screen resolution means that a couple of things just don't fit the screen size (space reclaimer and some of the wallpaper I use). is it a big deal?
not really. space reclaimer still works but you can't actually see how much space it's reclaimed. i've changed the wallpaper to one of my photos - looks great. pocket informant, spb backup and gprs monitor are fine. might put in memmaid or pocket mechanic.
big test will be when i get my 2gb mini sd card and install TomTom 6. looking forward to that?!

Good luck!
I hope the Treo works out well for you. I have had a TyTN from Vodafone UK for a while although have not been making serious use of it, and I borrowed a Treo from them on evaluation.
After three weeks I have just returned the Treo for a few very specific reasons (bear in mind that this is a business-driven evaluation):
1) BlackBerry Connect exists but is not supported yet by VF UK. I know this is true for the TyTN as well, but it would be a major driver for me to migrate my company from RIM devices.
2) After putting into silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis, eventually the Treo does not make any audible ring or vibrate regardless of the setting. The only way to recover is a soft reset. A colleague who has a pre-production model has the same experience and thought it was because it's pre-prod; evidently not.
3) Microsoft VoiceCommand comes bundled..... Great idea, except that it's the US version. Recognition of names requires an American accent and dialling numbers direct by voice is all to pot as a result. I have followed this up with both Palm and MS but got nothing except confirmation on how to remove the bundled version, which otherwise cannot be uninstalled.
Battery life was reasonable, screen quality decent and Bluetooth performance with my Nokia CK7W car kit was the best of any device so far - absolutely no echo reported.
I have gone back to the TyTN but the lack of a decent charging holder means that I am still dependent on my Blue Angel for some applications.
Hope this helps!

The positive side of the Treo
Regarding the last 2 posts:
1. Tomtom 6.0 works like a charme on the Treo even with a 2 gig MiniSD. I even use TTtraffic without a problem.
2. I bought the Brodit carholder for the Treo 650 and it fits like a glove. (www.brodit.com: 968635 Active Holder, Tilt Swivel)
3. I haven't had the problem with " silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis" the phone still rings without a problem. (I'm using the cingular though!)

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Regarding the last 2 posts:
1. Tomtom 6.0 works like a charme on the Treo even with a 2 gig MiniSD. I even use TTtraffic without a problem.
2. I bought the Brodit carholder for the Treo 650 and it fits like a glove. (www.brodit.com: 968635 Active Holder, Tilt Swivel)
3. I haven't had the problem with " silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis" the phone still rings without a problem. (I'm using the cingular though!)
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thanks gpsenzo68 - i was wondering whether it was safe to get the Brodit Treo 650 carholder. Is that a passive or active holder you are using? Good to know about TomTom 6 as well .

jbn said:
2) After putting into silent ring using the top slider switch on a twice-daily basis, eventually the Treo does not make any audible ring or vibrate regardless of the setting. The only way to recover is a soft reset. A colleague who has a pre-production model has the same experience and thought it was because it's pre-prod; evidently not.
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I've had that problem, but only once to date. I do restart the device at least once a day, though... after all, it's Windows!
Alarms don't go off when they're supposed to.
The storage card is not recognised after some (varying) length of time in stand-by ("off") mode, requiring the card to be taken out and reinserted.
3G reception is not the best and the device drops calls when switching from UMTS to GSM. I've set it to GSM now to get more reliable phone performance and only change manually to automatic band selection if I need to access the internet.

I finally ended up purchasing Palm Treo 750v on Ebay. Just waiting to receive it

I have been a long time hermes (tytn,8525) user and have recently given the 750v a try. Wow. Long story short, 750 wins hands down for my usage. I'm a heavy pda user and it is still worth it for me. I'll have a video comparison review on howardforums later this week.

video review up on howardforums.com in the ppc section

mikewchandler said:
video review up on howardforums.com in the ppc section
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Can you post a link? Thanks.

zerimar said:
Can you post a link? Thanks.
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HowardsForum > Pocket PC > Treo 750 Video review
Wasn't to hard to FIND.

treo vrs other pda's

have any of you guys had other products,exec,charmer etc etc etc
basically,im considering a treo after my exec,but im really off windows after all the resets abd frezzes etc,but on another forum(3g),a guy told me he had other htc devices and they had been the same but his treo had one reset in 8months and was far more stable
have you found this to be true?
thanks

I have had an Magician and a Wizard prior to my 750. I was fed up with them not functioning as I would have liked and bought a Symbian (SE M600). I quickly realized the the UIQ3 OS is not nearly as well fleshed out as the UIQ2 and it too provided more problems than I was willing to handle. After giving a non smart phone a try I decided to give WM one more shot and bought the 750.
I can say, without a doubt, that the 750 is the best smartphone that I have used to date. Previous WM devices felt like pocket pcs with phone functionality tacked on. The 750 feels like the phone operation of the device wasn't just an afterthought, but integrated from the get go.
As far as stability, I very rarely have to soft reset my device, perhaps once every three weeks. I tend to think that phones shouldn't need to be soft reset but once in a blue moon, but as far as WM devices go this one still holds the stability record.
I have outright purchased 3 phones in the 6 months leading up to my 750 and by my preference there isn't a better phone on the market, WM or not.

brill reply mate thanks so much,
the main issue i had before was getting out the exec to find it had frozen up and id missed calls,
i think im deffo gonna go with a treo ,i guess its just deciding which
if i may ask mate,how do you find the battery life and are they touch screen? i was under the impression that as a smart phone they are not touch screen but then they have a stylus?
thanks mate youve really helped

The Treo is in fact a pocket pc. Why do they call it a Smartphone then? No idea!
But I must say that I hardly use the stylus of the device, maybe that's why?
Concerning the battery life, I can use the device for 2 or 3 days.
I've owned multiple PocketPC's and must say that the Treo is by far the most stable of them all

hmm 750 or 680 or wait for the new 755p ,i dont know which but thta made my mind up 100% thanks guys
im due an upgarde on tmob uk,ill get a n95,then sell it on unused and get a treo

if anyone else can offer any info,compereing treo and other pda's I'd be really greatfull
thank you

i've been using the 750v since november - definitely the most stable windows mobile device i've ever had. prior to the Treo I had a tytn which was a pain, a treo 650 (which i've still got - palm os is still a really good os but doesn't support 3G), an eten m500....... etc.
Palm just seem to get the balance right - they work!

the more i hear the better it gets ,thanks for your input mate

I can attest to the 2-3 day battery life. It takes a couple of weeks of use to break in the battery, though. The first couple of days, maybe week, the battery only held a day. The only downside is that the Treo uses the same proprietary charge cable that--to the best of my knowledge--all previous Treos have used. Gone are the days of a standard mini USB cable in the backpack.
Sorry for the smartphone confusion. Smartphone as described by my experience ( wikipedia has my back on this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone ) is any high end phone that has personal computer or PDA like characteristics. (P990, M600, the original Palm OS Treos, all WM convergence devices) Microsoft had to go and make things confusing by redefining an already defined term.
Long story short; The Treo 750 is a full fledged, touch screen implementation of Windows Mobile 5. Some software may have problems with the 240x240 resolution square screen, although the popularity of the Treo has helped to push problematic programs to minority. The vast majority work just fine.
Oh, as mccune touched on, the one handed operation of the phone (ie, sans stylus) is great. The thumb keyboard is small enough to type with one hand, but still large enough to use 2 if you like. Navigating menus and through the vast majority of programs works flawlessly with the hardware keys. I only use the touch screen for the occasional game or for configuring phonealarm.

amazing feedback everyone seems to love there treo,shame its not on more networks in the uk

ETEN Glofiish X800 vs TyTNII?

Hello guys...
After some technical problems with my Kaiser (now in service), and after realizing that I don't really use the hardware keyboard all that much (a major criterion when I chose Kaiser), I was thinking of trading it for the ETEN Glofiish X800. I'm tempted by the 500MHz processor and the brilliant VGA screen, however are there any opinions on how well it fares in other issues? GPS, overall speed etc?
Thanks in advance,
t

if you don't want a keyboard anymore, you should maybe also consider the HTC Touch Diamond...very small and light, nice vga screen, gps, 4GB internal memory, etc.

Hmmm you could be right, I didn't think of that. Its processor is running @ 400MHz instead of 500, though, and a full €100/$160 more than the X800, so I'm not sure how it compares. One big plus is the wealth of custom ROMs lying around - haven't seen anything for the ETEN device...
Thanks for the advice

btw, don't forget to consider the iPhone 3G too...maybe not so interessting if you have a lot of windows mobile specific applications...but for normal use like mail, phone, calendar, etc it can be interessting.
anyway, before buying any new device, I can advice everyone to wait like a month or two, untill the iPhone 3G gets available everywhere. I hope the prices of many other windows mobile devices will drop after the 3G introduction.
the diamond and 3g are very comparable device, still the diamond costs 500euro and the 3g will be something like 300euro (without contract) in Belgium. so i expect htc will have to drop theire prices to concurrent with apple.

Ah no, not interested in iPhones! Not only do I need the Windows functionality indeed, but I have developed a certain anti-anti-establishment feeling against it, I just hate how 'hip' it has become
Still competition is good nonetheless. Now, I wonder, why on earth hasn't the TyTNII come down since its launch, at least in Greece? Still going for €800!

i too still prefer windows mobile because of some applications I couldn't live without...but after playing for a while with an iPhone I was really impressed with its responsiveness and stability. It couldn't nearly do as much as what I can do with my windows mobile device, but the things that the iPhone could do were working very well, very smooth. And that's something I can't say from my pocket pc. But anyway, I already got used to the many crashes and softreset that it now doesn't really bother me anymore

So have I, have used Windows for so long I'm all too used to it The firts major disadvantage of the iPhone would be the GPS functionality - what would I do without my iGo?
So, anyone with an idea about the ETEN vs HTC?

eten FTW! i just wished it had a BIGGER vga screen like the iphone! but the gps sirf III kills that iphone AGPS for sure! plus i hate mac stuff!
just wished our x800 had more internal RAM! 64 is not enuff!

I had an X800 before I got my Touch Cruise and I have to say, the only thing better than the TC is the VGA screen, other than that, it kept developing a Micro SD problem where the locking mechanism would break and the SD card wouldn't lock in place (I had one replacement unit, and an attempted repair, and it seems other people have had the same problem) It is also significantly slower than my TC (when you press a menu option in TomTom, you can see the menu layers change it is that slow!). Couple that with the recessed screen so it's almost impossible to press the x button without using the stylus, and I'm much happier with the touch cruise than the X800. I won't buy another E-Ten device as they seem to have very poor after sales service, and almost non-existent support for European users!

Any 750 owners had time with an ATT Fuze?

The reviews on the Fuze are pretty good. And despite the fact that I loathe the side sliders, this one might make a believer out of me. Are any of you experienced 750 users who have had any length of time with the Fuze? If so can you give us some pros and cons in comparison with the 750? Thanks

Treo 750 Users
Yea, I've been using a Treo 750 for over two years and loved it but as you know, it is under powered by now day standards. The Fuze was a big step and really was going to buy the Epix for the keyboard but took the jump to the fuze. Not happy with it till I flashed the ROM and updated to NET 3.5. Now getting really good with the small keyboard I must say it rocks. I used SPB Shell with SPB Diary for keeping up with life so waiting on that void to be filled yet and it will as this phone is getting the attention. Nice phone
Dan

I just upgraded to the Fuze. Also flashed a few ROMs almost right away and the ATT ROM is slow and has problems (no HSDPA active only 3G) so the flash is pretty much a mandatory step. I am still adjusting to the Fuze. I like the TouchFlo interface, sometimes, but then at other times, I've found it difficult to quickly get to where I want. I've noticed that it's harder to make calls from the car due to not having the keyboard on the front and not being able to go to search for a name to call directly from TouchFlo. Similar problem with the e-mail Inbox. Although TouchFlo gives me a preview of e-mails, to get to my inbox is an extra step and I'm still adjusting. There is a new ROM that does not include TouchFlo by default so I might try that. Also, some ROMs have been cooked with software called "SecondToday" which allows to flip from TouchFlo to a 3rd Party Today screen. I've also found the short length of the stylus to be a little bit annoying - the length of the one on the Treo was just right for me . . .
The phone has a lot more RAM and the display is nice. I wish the display was larger and despite the faster CPU, it doesn't feel as fast as I'd expected. I will keep using it for at least a couple more weeks before deciding if its worth the upgrade. I've also considered the EPIX and I guess that would be my fallback since it has more RAM, better CPU and better display than the 750 in a comparable format.
I haven't tried streaming video yet although I imagine it would be much better on the Fuze. Also, some nice software available on the Fuze that helps.
Andrew

Mine's going back to the store.
I don't like the keyboard, its just too small for a slideout keyboard. The buttons are poorly located and just not intuitive.
The screen is nice but feels small due to the resolution.
The lack of programmable buttons is a big minus.
And the TouchFlo is next to useless.