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How to make Pocket PC 2003 input software work on WM 5? (Celluon Laserkey)

I'm pissed. I ordered the Celluon Laserkey CL800BT as a mobile keyboard. But it appears it still has not had drivers/installation software created for WM 5. Nowhere on the seller's website did it mention this very critical piece of information. The Celluon website utterly fails to even mention the existence of WM 5 as something they either support or don't support, it's like they're stuck in 2003.
So, the question is... Is it possible to get this thing working on WM 5? I'm not sure if the input panel changes from 2003 to 5 are so big that the drivers supplied won't work or if it might be possible to just fiddle with the registry keys enough to get it to use the 2003 drivers. I figured out that certain registry structure changes were made in how the input software gets listed and so I tried to "upgrade" the entry for the Laserkey and that got the "Projection Keyboard" appearing in the list, but when I select it it just switches to the built-in WM keyboard input.
So, please, all you super clever people, help!!!
Quincy

Wow, that's a neat product. Thing is there is no difference in software keyboards between WM 5 and 2003 but what you have is a hardware keyboard that connects via BT.
If the drivers don't work it means they don't support your devices hardware or BT stack.
Unfortunately short of writing new drivers i do not see a solution to this.
I assume you tried installing it using the WM 2003 setup?
If it doesn't work i think you should ask for your money back.

Thanks, yeah, I tried the install for PPC 2003 and that completes, but as I mentioned the "Projection Keyboard" option in the SIP list does NOT appear. So I figured how what registry tweaking would make it appear but selecting it doesn't work. I changed the registry to point to the DLL I presumed should be called (there were only 2 that came with it, and I tried both) but nothing. I assume the SIP hooks into the DLL/etc. have changed from 2003 to 5.
It is an amazing product, if only it worked. Celluon must be in bad shape or something for them not to have current drivers (I contacted their tech support and have not heard back yet...). There are few things more annoying than having in your hands something that is amazingly cool and having absolutely no ability to use it.
I talked to the seller and it looks like they'll take it back, but I'm stunned they wouldn't have a big warning or at least a little warning/mention of the fact that it won't work on the current PPC OS.
So, warning to all, don't buy the Celluon Laserkey if you've got WM 5!
Quincy

One thing I just thought of, probably should have mentioned it before (this is really stupid of me):
Maybe the DLL you are messing with is not a SIP DLL at all? This is a hardware keyboard and it should work no matter what software keyboard is selected.
So try to do a clean installation (so your registry tweaks won't get in the way) and just open Word for example and type.
Also maybe it needs parring or some special BT settings?

Good suggestion, Levenum. I don't know exactly it is supposed to work, but I do know that you use the SIP selector to choose the "Projection Keyboard" and then it takes input from the keyboard. So, I'm pretty sure it really does act as a SIP. I've tried re-installing a few times, along the lines you suggest, having cleared everything out but still no luck.
I guess I'll wait another couple days and ship it back. I've written several times to Celluon but have yet to hear anything.
Quincy

Hmm, if they have written it this way (its possible of course) it would be a very stupid approach.
I had a chance to use a couple of hardware keyboards and they usually work separately from the SIP system be it BT or IR keyboard.
Strange that company creating a product primarily for mobile devices seems to know so little about them.

I too have the same problem with my IPAQ hx2490b running WM5.
I have found this web site which hosts a Celluon Laserkey driver for WM5 which installs OK without any registry changes.
The problem is that when the Projection Keyboard is seleted from the Input list and from the keyboard icon, I get a message to say BTM Cannot get current state. If I exit from the driver screen, I then get an error to say that the serial port is in use by another device which should be stopped before trying to use the Projection Keyboard again.
I have removed all of my other BT pairings, done a hard reset and started from scratch to no avail.
The CL800BT pairs OK until I load the driver. If anyone has any ideas for a workaround or has had success in getting this keyboard to work under WM5 I would be grateful for your advice.
I have emailed Celluon but have had no reply. The UK distributor has been trying to sort this for me for a week with no success.
IPAQ hx2490b
ROM 1.02.h
OS 5.1.1702 (Build 14366.1.0.1)
http://www.plawa.com/support/downloads/drivers/laserkey/

Laserkey and hp2490
Thanks for the info guys I found the web site and installed the 2005 drivers but as I expected I have the same problemb< ihave tried Celluon (waste of time never reply)
Looks like my new toy will have to go back unless anyone finds the answer

sucessfull test
Dear all,
there is a WM5-driver on the plawa page aviable -
and it's working as well on WM6 (testet with Hermes)!
okay, that's not a surprise - but the german shortcuts
are working as well!

can I have a link to the plawa page you refer to? I want to use it on wm6 too.
thanks

Very Serious Bug With Slide Keyboard

Hi. I have purchased my HTC Pro recently and installed my most usufull programs. One of them is softmaker. I was really confused when couldn't have input any word in Plan Maker and Text Maker using built in keyboard. The same problem had with logmein remote control aplication. When connected to my PC thru HTC Pro I also couldn't have input any words using the slide keyboard. What's the problem? Have you experienced the same problem using these programs? The slide keyboard works when writing text messages so I suppose that the problem lies in OS.

dunno about softmaker, but had the same problem in log me in.
I noticed in log me in, that only the standard keyboard worked, and not any of the HTC qwerty t9 stuff.
Try setting the normal keyboard as the SIP and see if it comes back to life. I've a nasty feeling that the T9 is interfering...

Same here for LogMeIn... I was kinda shocked that the hardware keyboard didn't work... But the regular soft keyboard works. I have posted on the LogMeIn forums (there were already posts there from people with the Diamond with the same problem). I'm hoping they'll fix this, I'd love to be able to use LogMeIn for work... I work on a mainframe, so text input is kinda important...

I had the same problem with Softmaker Office 2006. I've downloaded the 2008 demo version, it works fine with the keyboard (at least you can use it for 30 days!).
So I've emailed Softmaker support, I don't want to upgrade at least until they handle Office 2007 file format, there is not much new in this 2008 version. Let's see what they say...

Have problems same too with DOSBox.
And also when I type with the keyboard in TomTom it adds a an a with a round on the top after each letter typed.

Me too
Sad to say, having the same keyboard issue with logmein service (rather disappointing). Maybe I have to switch back to the Dopod 838Pro workhorse I have - a bit of a fat boy but at least it worked as it should.
guitarguy: how did you get the software keyboard to work? it doesn't seem to work for me...
Note: I noticed in another thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417616&page=3) sub69 had linked up to logmein in a tv out demo - not sure if they'd used the keyboard to login to the remote unit though. If anyone knows sub69 perhaps they can shoot them a pm...
I guess we can all shoot a message through to HTC and ask them. At the least, they'll be aware of the issue. I've contacted logmein for any help - but all they've sent back is a "not supported yet" message.

That may caused by ClearType in Landscape mode. Try to go to Settings->System->Screen->ClearType, clear checkbox Enable ClearType.

Had the same problem with pocketinformant 8.
I disabled t9, autocorrect and stuff like that , and now no more probem.
Except that, in french, when i push on FN then on é , the program closes !
Always filling a hole by digging another one
Th

I had problem with Softmaker Office 2008. When i pressed Fn Key+another key like !, &, # or else, the cursor in Planmaker/Textmaker will move away.

Questions about HTC Cruise

I recently switched from using the ATT Tilt to the Cruise (mainly because it's smaller/lighter to carry around) It's mainly working ok, but I have a few questions:
1) Does anyone know of a decent handwriting recognition software out there I could use? On the TILT i got used to the "block-recognizer," as the lesser of evils, but i would LOVE to find software that can use the whole screen. I use these devices a lot, so after a while that lower left corner becomes all scratched up (even using a screen protector) , and then you have to pay about $200 for a new screen, since the characters no long respond well to Block Recognizer. I"ve tried the "Transcriber" that comes with Windows Mobile 6, and it seems awful, as do the several other programs i found online, such as Pen Writer and Caligrapher, i think they're called? Back when i used Palm/Treo devices, i really loved the Teal Script program, but it doesn't seem to work for W Mobile? Anyone know of anything that could work??
2) Some things worked better on the Tilt, i guess becuase of the ATT software? For example, on Tilt you can use the word completion software in the Calendar mode, but on the Cruise it doesn't come up. And the word completion software "remembers" two-word or longer phrases in the ATT Tilt software, but not in the Cruise. Is there any work-around to be able to do this on the Cruise too??
3) Is it worth trying to upgrade to 6.1 on the Cruise, through some kind of cooked ROM, or better to wait until HTC finally (hopefully) releases the 6.1 ware??
Thanks much!!
Daniel

1. sounds like transcriber
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...familyid=a8b343c3-2eee-41e3-9339-f7b303f4b386

Sorry, but Transcriber is already on the device, and it seem terrible to use?!! Isn't there ANYTHING out there that works ok??
Thx much!
D

bluetooth keyboard not working with mob 6.5

Hi guys,
i have bought a portable foldable bluetooth keyboard but it won't work with my diamond2.
i am using the energy rom with mobile 6.5.
my diamond does see the keyboard and also connects to it but doesn't see any "service".
i tested with a mobile 6.0 diamond and it worked.
does anyone have a solution??

check for these files in windows folder:
bthhid.dll
bthidsvc.dll
conshid.dll
hidparse.dll
kbdhid.dll
they are part of service to run BT keyboard.
as maybe 0.1% of users would use it, cooks usually disable them in custom ROMs.
if those files are are not present, run a cab I attached.
It's not certain it would work, this's not a proper way. The service is run by modules, I converted them to dll. They should be added to ROM, but it might work as well so give it a try.

I know this is an old thread to bump, but I gave this file a shot in energy.09.cookie classic on my HTC Pure/ TD2
It enables blueinput to work again, and when browsing keyboard services it lists a russian character that looks like an A (as opposed to not listing anything). I can't simply connect to the keyboard without blueinput, i have to start it, delete the keyboard from bluetooth devices, then reconnect it with blueinput running in the background.
My keyboard is relatively functional, but many keys are incorrect, swapped, or nonexistant. the Nataly rom for my device worked properly without blueinput if i recall. great first attempt though, thanks.

Bluetooth keyboard and mouse...

Quick vid to show off HID profile support in 2.2 firmware builds, really enjoying it with TV Out, like having another laptop in the house (one with a 42inch screen mind). Need to sort out some remote desktop action, should be sweet with this setup!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21aVbYpgrRA
...and here is another showing the Zeemote in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8y5Z_Xc7fI
EDIT: Although I believe any HID-based keyboard/mouse should work, here is an ongoing list of those confirmed by users to work -
- Palm 3245WW BT keyboard, fully working on JPH and JPK ROM's.
- The wireless (bluetooth) apple keyboard
- Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 fully working on JPH & JPK ROM's.
- Logitech Dinovo Working like a charm. Keyboard as well as the mouse.
- DealExtreme Mini Bluetooth keyboard
- SU-8W is a go!
- Logitech DiNovo EDGE
- KeySonic "Super Mini Keyboard" ACK-340BT works, including the touchpad
EDIT EDIT: Just so its here on the front page - WiiMotes still do not work despite the addition of HID support.
Is anybody else able to confirm that BT HID devices do not work with the JPU 2.2.1 firmware?

OMG so HID works on 2.2? Does that mean apple keyboards and crap will work (cause they seem to be easily available, not that i like them "that" much)
I really want a close to fullsize BT keyboard (or something which is very easy to type with (i wanna use it for uni), any recommendations?

Before I updated to 2.2 I confirmed that with another user who was using an Apple keyboard, so I'm assuming its all good. By its nature HID-supporting keyboards should all work with 2.2 builds.

Great news, thanks for sharing mate

If you try another keyboard post here and let us know how you get on.

WiiMote support would be awesome! Can somebody check that please...

That's so cool! Thanks for sharing. Does that BT keyboard you use include the stand for your phone?

@Zvenn: Yep, it has the stand.
I've not tried WiiMotes yet, but another user says they still don't work (I'm inclined to believe him, since the WiiMote Android software only works with a particular BT implementation - not Samsungs).

Name of keyboard?

Its an iGo Ultraslim Stowaway keyboard (Dell branded in this case because it was half the price of the iGo one, despite being made by them...not sure how that works, but was happy at the time). For my money its still the best ultraportable folding keyboard (its hinge mechanism is sheer genius), but sadly its been out of production a couple of years now. If you can get your hands on one somehow it really is great.

I have a Palm 3245WW BT keyboard, fully working on JPH and JPK ROM's.

Thanks for that, updated first post to include that info.

I impulse bought the microsoft bluetooth mobile keyboard 6000 (only cause managed to haggle it down by 20 bucks ).
It doesn't work on JM7 (as expected. It pairs but doesn't connect), but I will try on froyo soon. I want to wait for official froyo or at least the next stable release before updating though.
I really hope this keyboard is compatible cause i just spent 80AUD on it lol.

Hope it works! Can't see why not, providing its a HID device.

I was using the Apple key-board on the G1...
I know, I know...I hate Apple too, but on my G1 I was connecting the the Apple bluetooth keyboard. Nice piece of equipment - metal.
Although it was not an automatic connection, I had to manually start the drivers every time I want to use it. A bit of a pain, but it was working fine....and that on the G1!
I'll try it sometime in the next few days and report back on how I did it and if it even works with the Vibrant.

hy guys
i have a very old version of Freedom Universal bluetooth keyboard.
i don't found the model on the Freedom web site, but is similar of these: http://www.freedominput.com/technical-support/technical-support/technical-support.
mi have follow the android installation guide concerning the universal keyboard pro, i have make a paring of keyboard, i have download and install the drivers, but a message tell me that this driver are only for a universal keyboard pro and not for my model.
some time ago, with my iphone, the problem was that my keyboard had not a spp mode, and for me was impossible connect it.
now, my impression is that the problem is more simple because i can make a pair, i can install the drivers and these work fine! but..i see this message and the keyboard don't work...
i know that this is a very old keyboard..but before change it, i want to be sure that i can't use them with my device android.
and second question..if i must change it..some suggestion for the model? i don't like yet universal keyboard, becasue i think that is impossible that this product is not supported in after market.

sam213 Don't change the keyboard. It WILL work with froyo. I have had the freedom universal keyboard for a few years now and it works great with any device that supports HID. (Nokia n95, n900, my laptop, lego NXT). The drivers that freedom input make are for devices which don't natively support HID

Hi Rc-Blob
thanks for your reply...
but..i have on my galaxy S already a froyo relaise (the "famous" jpk version)...
how i can connect thie two device to work with him?
i don't know what is the HID..samsung galaxy s support this? and if is supporte..how i can use them?
thanks and i'm sorry!!!

Thanks OP for this!
I'm really looking forward to 2.2 now, if only the WiiMotes would work!

bert269 said:
I know, I know...I hate Apple too, but on my G1 I was connecting the the Apple bluetooth keyboard. Nice piece of equipment - metal.
Although it was not an automatic connection, I had to manually start the drivers every time I want to use it. A bit of a pain, but it was working fine....and that on the G1!
I'll try it sometime in the next few days and report back on how I did it and if it even works with the Vibrant.
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The wireless (bluetooth) apple keyboard works great with the Samsung Galaxy S international (Froyo JPK). Absolutely no hassle. Turn on bluetooth, press a key on the keyboard and *bam* connected..