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How to make Pocket PC 2003 input software work on WM 5? (Celluon Laserkey)

I'm pissed. I ordered the Celluon Laserkey CL800BT as a mobile keyboard. But it appears it still has not had drivers/installation software created for WM 5. Nowhere on the seller's website did it mention this very critical piece of information. The Celluon website utterly fails to even mention the existence of WM 5 as something they either support or don't support, it's like they're stuck in 2003.
So, the question is... Is it possible to get this thing working on WM 5? I'm not sure if the input panel changes from 2003 to 5 are so big that the drivers supplied won't work or if it might be possible to just fiddle with the registry keys enough to get it to use the 2003 drivers. I figured out that certain registry structure changes were made in how the input software gets listed and so I tried to "upgrade" the entry for the Laserkey and that got the "Projection Keyboard" appearing in the list, but when I select it it just switches to the built-in WM keyboard input.
So, please, all you super clever people, help!!!
Quincy

Wow, that's a neat product. Thing is there is no difference in software keyboards between WM 5 and 2003 but what you have is a hardware keyboard that connects via BT.
If the drivers don't work it means they don't support your devices hardware or BT stack.
Unfortunately short of writing new drivers i do not see a solution to this.
I assume you tried installing it using the WM 2003 setup?
If it doesn't work i think you should ask for your money back.

Thanks, yeah, I tried the install for PPC 2003 and that completes, but as I mentioned the "Projection Keyboard" option in the SIP list does NOT appear. So I figured how what registry tweaking would make it appear but selecting it doesn't work. I changed the registry to point to the DLL I presumed should be called (there were only 2 that came with it, and I tried both) but nothing. I assume the SIP hooks into the DLL/etc. have changed from 2003 to 5.
It is an amazing product, if only it worked. Celluon must be in bad shape or something for them not to have current drivers (I contacted their tech support and have not heard back yet...). There are few things more annoying than having in your hands something that is amazingly cool and having absolutely no ability to use it.
I talked to the seller and it looks like they'll take it back, but I'm stunned they wouldn't have a big warning or at least a little warning/mention of the fact that it won't work on the current PPC OS.
So, warning to all, don't buy the Celluon Laserkey if you've got WM 5!
Quincy

One thing I just thought of, probably should have mentioned it before (this is really stupid of me):
Maybe the DLL you are messing with is not a SIP DLL at all? This is a hardware keyboard and it should work no matter what software keyboard is selected.
So try to do a clean installation (so your registry tweaks won't get in the way) and just open Word for example and type.
Also maybe it needs parring or some special BT settings?

Good suggestion, Levenum. I don't know exactly it is supposed to work, but I do know that you use the SIP selector to choose the "Projection Keyboard" and then it takes input from the keyboard. So, I'm pretty sure it really does act as a SIP. I've tried re-installing a few times, along the lines you suggest, having cleared everything out but still no luck.
I guess I'll wait another couple days and ship it back. I've written several times to Celluon but have yet to hear anything.
Quincy

Hmm, if they have written it this way (its possible of course) it would be a very stupid approach.
I had a chance to use a couple of hardware keyboards and they usually work separately from the SIP system be it BT or IR keyboard.
Strange that company creating a product primarily for mobile devices seems to know so little about them.

I too have the same problem with my IPAQ hx2490b running WM5.
I have found this web site which hosts a Celluon Laserkey driver for WM5 which installs OK without any registry changes.
The problem is that when the Projection Keyboard is seleted from the Input list and from the keyboard icon, I get a message to say BTM Cannot get current state. If I exit from the driver screen, I then get an error to say that the serial port is in use by another device which should be stopped before trying to use the Projection Keyboard again.
I have removed all of my other BT pairings, done a hard reset and started from scratch to no avail.
The CL800BT pairs OK until I load the driver. If anyone has any ideas for a workaround or has had success in getting this keyboard to work under WM5 I would be grateful for your advice.
I have emailed Celluon but have had no reply. The UK distributor has been trying to sort this for me for a week with no success.
IPAQ hx2490b
ROM 1.02.h
OS 5.1.1702 (Build 14366.1.0.1)
http://www.plawa.com/support/downloads/drivers/laserkey/

Laserkey and hp2490
Thanks for the info guys I found the web site and installed the 2005 drivers but as I expected I have the same problemb< ihave tried Celluon (waste of time never reply)
Looks like my new toy will have to go back unless anyone finds the answer

sucessfull test
Dear all,
there is a WM5-driver on the plawa page aviable -
and it's working as well on WM6 (testet with Hermes)!
okay, that's not a surprise - but the german shortcuts
are working as well!

can I have a link to the plawa page you refer to? I want to use it on wm6 too.
thanks

Input > auto suggest = useless?

With my TyTN = Hermes and WM6.0 the autosuggestion of words seems much better than the Raphaels (at least in the hardware keybord stance).
Can someone explain why that is or if I have haven´t understood the utility or something else right?
With TyTN it basically suggests 4 alternatives in a diagonal way, it can be one word or SEVERAL words in a row, depending on what I´we written before. And you choose from them with the upp and down arrow keys. Simple and quick.
With Raphael it suggests several ONLY singular words horisontally, and if it´s not in the dictionary it automatically chooses another word than the one you´we just written (!?). Slow and awkward.
Also - who is behind this solution? Windows Mobile 6.1 or is it HTC Raphaels unique solution?
Thanks in advance
/Danne

Anybody have an opinion or information on this matter?
At least the system is a part of WM6.1 or if it´s Raphaels unique solution? Because I´m thinking about buying a Kaiser with WM6.1 instead and wonder if it has the same solution.

Sorry, no additional info, but I'm in the same boat so to speak.
I find it completely useless, specially since I don't always use English in my SMS messages, and I found that it becomes a nightmare if it doesn't find a match and then forces my word to something it thinks it should be.
What I cannot understand is that under Settings-Personal-Input-Word Completion - I have DISABLED it, but it still friking tries to complete my words, even in keyboard mode???
Do you know of another place to disable this dastardly excuse of a feature?

HAH!
Found it! If you want to disable it completely, the do the following:
1) make sure you disable it under settings - all settings - personal - Word Completion.
2) When you open a new message, bring up the virtual keyboard and look for the button that reads "ABC T9" - it has a toggle on the button, make sure it is on "ABC" and NOT T9 -voila!
Now I can SMS again!

I´m glad I was not the only one being irritated about this. But at least it´s possible to turn it off, so thanks for posting the solution Piie
I actually returned my TP because of this and severeal other reasons but I´m thinking about buying it again or some other WM6.1 phone. So do you know if your solution to turn if of works with Word Mobile documents as well?
And still, if somebody knows if it´s part of Raphael or WM6.1, please let me know.

Agreed 100% on the uselessness of word completion feature on the TP. On mine, the T9 feature actually slows the sms application so much as to make it completely unusable. This is probably my biggest complaint with this device.

Yip, following the steps as posted also removes the predictive text completely for Word ( and all other apps I have used so far)...

Thanks piie

I believe its part of the TP keyboard (SIP) not WM6.1 , when i had my kaiser with wm6.1 this "IRRITATING" issue was not there, but when i installed the diamond keyboard on my kaiser, this thing came out...... now its part of the TP because of its keyboard.......... so its HTC

I was getting annoyed with the behavior described in posts 1 and 2, disableds the whole thing too (I had an Excalibur before and it seemed to work far better on this particular aspect).
However, I decided to give the TP's T9 another shot and started changing it's configurations and finally got rid of the annoiance related: when on a text field, bring up the T9 options by pressing "Fn" + "Space", select "T9" settings and on the screen that appears uncheck the "Spell Correction" and "Auto-substitution" boxes.
Now I'm using the word prediction (T9) again just like I used in my old device, tipying much faster! (specially because I commonly write in portuguese and my keyboard is the UK one...).
Hope this helps you guys.
Cheers.

Sweet!
So you can still have predictive text, but remove the actual "irritant" of it overriding your word if it doesn't match it's dictionery - seems like that is the answer to your problem Danne?
For me - I really don't care for ANY kind of prediction - most often than not, even in English, the suggestions are maybe 30% usefull if that...

Great!
Yes, this is solution and now I know it´s part of Raphael/Diamond and not WM6.1!
Still, the Hermes WM6-solution with prediction of several words based on what you previously have written seems better. But I am happy with this!
I guess that´s the last words for me in this discussion.
Thanks guys!

just wondering how to disable word completion without installing htc ezinput, because at input settings by disabling it, doesn't work at all.

here's everything you need to know on how to get back to the old style autocorrect and change your dictionaries: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1527

That however breaks your hardware keyboard
sym key will stop working and you can't get pound and euro sign using FN key....
see my thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470647

Questions about HTC Cruise

I recently switched from using the ATT Tilt to the Cruise (mainly because it's smaller/lighter to carry around) It's mainly working ok, but I have a few questions:
1) Does anyone know of a decent handwriting recognition software out there I could use? On the TILT i got used to the "block-recognizer," as the lesser of evils, but i would LOVE to find software that can use the whole screen. I use these devices a lot, so after a while that lower left corner becomes all scratched up (even using a screen protector) , and then you have to pay about $200 for a new screen, since the characters no long respond well to Block Recognizer. I"ve tried the "Transcriber" that comes with Windows Mobile 6, and it seems awful, as do the several other programs i found online, such as Pen Writer and Caligrapher, i think they're called? Back when i used Palm/Treo devices, i really loved the Teal Script program, but it doesn't seem to work for W Mobile? Anyone know of anything that could work??
2) Some things worked better on the Tilt, i guess becuase of the ATT software? For example, on Tilt you can use the word completion software in the Calendar mode, but on the Cruise it doesn't come up. And the word completion software "remembers" two-word or longer phrases in the ATT Tilt software, but not in the Cruise. Is there any work-around to be able to do this on the Cruise too??
3) Is it worth trying to upgrade to 6.1 on the Cruise, through some kind of cooked ROM, or better to wait until HTC finally (hopefully) releases the 6.1 ware??
Thanks much!!
Daniel

1. sounds like transcriber
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...familyid=a8b343c3-2eee-41e3-9339-f7b303f4b386

Sorry, but Transcriber is already on the device, and it seem terrible to use?!! Isn't there ANYTHING out there that works ok??
Thx much!
D

Bluetooth Keyboard Compatibility?

Has anyone tried the Stowaway/Thinkoutside Bluetooth keyboard with the Touch pro yet?
I had one for my 6700, but it got stolen out of my car 2 weeks ago so I never had a chance to test it with my new touch pro. I'm debating whether to purchase a replacement.
The reason I'm concerned about using the bluetooth keyboard - is that HTC messed with the key assignment such that it's impossible to reassign keys in other programs without running "Kfortouchpro" in the background. If the bluetooth keyboard uses the standard definitions, then it wouldn't work.
I'd appreciate any feedback.

And typing should be better. I am missing my keybord for my palm TX too.
German Computer Magazin CT was writing something about this mini BT keybord which shoul be working with PDAs: http://www.maxpoint.de/de/products/keyboards.php?pid=1_3_7&we_objectID=608
The ACK-3400 U should be developed for PDAs. But it is missing some manuals and parameters. Thats why getting your PDAs working via BT should be "luck".
I think this keyboard is a good salution becaus there is no mechanic for falting. I am working much with my old keyboard and I had to replace it after 2 years...
I am really interested in using a bluetooth keyboard. Let me know if there is some new information.

http://www.au-ja.de/review-keysonic-htpc-btkeyboards-4.phtml
This is a test...
There is no word on testing the keybord via bluetooth on a PDA.
regards Olaf

I used to have this one for my 6700:
http://www.110220volts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SBT5ER
I can confirm that it worked great. It folded up into the size of a deck of cards and was just as fast as a regular keyboard.
They're very popular - so I'm surprised no one's answered my question directly yet.
I'm hoping this keyboard (or one of the many like it) is compatible with the Touch Pro so I can buy a replacement. Damn thieves. :-(

My igo stowaway BT KB works on my fuze, although when I shutdown the program, it gives me a "we're sorry ... a problem..." and wants to send a report. I just don't send. It seems everything works, just that flaky thing. I use the PPC5 eng. driver online.

whatledog said:
My igo stowaway BT KB works on my fuze, although when I shutdown the program, it gives me a "we're sorry ... a problem..." and wants to send a report. I just don't send. It seems everything works, just that flaky thing. I use the PPC5 eng. driver online.
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Thanks! That's the kind of information I was looking for. I appreciate the help.

I picked up an AT&T Fuze on Friday; it paired up just fine with my Freedom Universal Keyboard. It uses the HID profile, so no drivers required.

Then that freedom KB board may be a better bet, because of the HID.

Using hardware keyboard to switch languages

Hi all,
I've had my TP for about a month now and it's great and thanks for all the great info and tweaks on the board.
I have Chinese (CE Star) installed as a selectable writing language so I was wondering is it possible to use/remap the hardware keyboard to switch between writing languages like on a desktop PC (ALT+Shift) since it is much more convienient using keys to switch than taking my hands off the keyboard and pulling up the SIP.
I tried using PQzII but I couldn't get it to work, so no luck there.
Any suggestions?

Any ideas?

If you can get a program that will switch with a command line, at least on the AT&T Fuze, there are a number of shortcuts the keyboard driver looks for on keypress, and if you have that shortcut there it will execute that rather than the pre-programmed function. People are using this to remap the short PTT button and long PTT button.
I have not looked at a Touch Pro keypad driver dll, so I don't know what shortcuts it's looking for.. but that's one idea

Oh great thanks for the suggestion, but aside from a registry editor, I'm not familiar with other programs which alter how the TP works.
Is command line similar to "Run-->cmd" on windows?
Also, I got my phone in Hong Kong; English OS with the Chinese software installed; it's an unlocked phone so dunno if that will make a difference with your suggestion.
Are there other programs similar to PQzII; like many others have said, the keyboard would be SO much more useful if it can be mapped. Thanks again.

Yes, the command line for a shortcut behaves the same as Run -> Cmd on windows, you provide arguments in the same manner: programname.exe -argument
So if you could find a program that would switch writing languages with an argument like -Chinese and -English, you could create a shortcut .lnk with that command in it.
Then, name it to whatever the keypad.dll is looking for, and it would execute that command instead of the default one.
If you'd like me to look into this further, I can disassemble the keypad.dll and determine which buttons can be remapped in this manner (on the fuze it's Music, SMS, IM, CV, Contacts, Calendar, Messages, Web, Long/Short Power, Long/Short PTT)

Great, thanks for the offer, but no need to do that. Seems like it'd take a good deal of time unless you feel so inclined to haha; perhaps I'll try PQzII again or maybe not.
But anyways thanks again!
I guess a question to everyone else that switches between typing languages...how do you change languages? Do you have a shortcut or do you also, like me, change languages through the SIP menu?