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I'm pissed. I ordered the Celluon Laserkey CL800BT as a mobile keyboard. But it appears it still has not had drivers/installation software created for WM 5. Nowhere on the seller's website did it mention this very critical piece of information. The Celluon website utterly fails to even mention the existence of WM 5 as something they either support or don't support, it's like they're stuck in 2003.
So, the question is... Is it possible to get this thing working on WM 5? I'm not sure if the input panel changes from 2003 to 5 are so big that the drivers supplied won't work or if it might be possible to just fiddle with the registry keys enough to get it to use the 2003 drivers. I figured out that certain registry structure changes were made in how the input software gets listed and so I tried to "upgrade" the entry for the Laserkey and that got the "Projection Keyboard" appearing in the list, but when I select it it just switches to the built-in WM keyboard input.
So, please, all you super clever people, help!!!
Quincy
Wow, that's a neat product. Thing is there is no difference in software keyboards between WM 5 and 2003 but what you have is a hardware keyboard that connects via BT.
If the drivers don't work it means they don't support your devices hardware or BT stack.
Unfortunately short of writing new drivers i do not see a solution to this.
I assume you tried installing it using the WM 2003 setup?
If it doesn't work i think you should ask for your money back.
Thanks, yeah, I tried the install for PPC 2003 and that completes, but as I mentioned the "Projection Keyboard" option in the SIP list does NOT appear. So I figured how what registry tweaking would make it appear but selecting it doesn't work. I changed the registry to point to the DLL I presumed should be called (there were only 2 that came with it, and I tried both) but nothing. I assume the SIP hooks into the DLL/etc. have changed from 2003 to 5.
It is an amazing product, if only it worked. Celluon must be in bad shape or something for them not to have current drivers (I contacted their tech support and have not heard back yet...). There are few things more annoying than having in your hands something that is amazingly cool and having absolutely no ability to use it.
I talked to the seller and it looks like they'll take it back, but I'm stunned they wouldn't have a big warning or at least a little warning/mention of the fact that it won't work on the current PPC OS.
So, warning to all, don't buy the Celluon Laserkey if you've got WM 5!
Quincy
One thing I just thought of, probably should have mentioned it before (this is really stupid of me):
Maybe the DLL you are messing with is not a SIP DLL at all? This is a hardware keyboard and it should work no matter what software keyboard is selected.
So try to do a clean installation (so your registry tweaks won't get in the way) and just open Word for example and type.
Also maybe it needs parring or some special BT settings?
Good suggestion, Levenum. I don't know exactly it is supposed to work, but I do know that you use the SIP selector to choose the "Projection Keyboard" and then it takes input from the keyboard. So, I'm pretty sure it really does act as a SIP. I've tried re-installing a few times, along the lines you suggest, having cleared everything out but still no luck.
I guess I'll wait another couple days and ship it back. I've written several times to Celluon but have yet to hear anything.
Quincy
Hmm, if they have written it this way (its possible of course) it would be a very stupid approach.
I had a chance to use a couple of hardware keyboards and they usually work separately from the SIP system be it BT or IR keyboard.
Strange that company creating a product primarily for mobile devices seems to know so little about them.
I too have the same problem with my IPAQ hx2490b running WM5.
I have found this web site which hosts a Celluon Laserkey driver for WM5 which installs OK without any registry changes.
The problem is that when the Projection Keyboard is seleted from the Input list and from the keyboard icon, I get a message to say BTM Cannot get current state. If I exit from the driver screen, I then get an error to say that the serial port is in use by another device which should be stopped before trying to use the Projection Keyboard again.
I have removed all of my other BT pairings, done a hard reset and started from scratch to no avail.
The CL800BT pairs OK until I load the driver. If anyone has any ideas for a workaround or has had success in getting this keyboard to work under WM5 I would be grateful for your advice.
I have emailed Celluon but have had no reply. The UK distributor has been trying to sort this for me for a week with no success.
IPAQ hx2490b
ROM 1.02.h
OS 5.1.1702 (Build 14366.1.0.1)
http://www.plawa.com/support/downloads/drivers/laserkey/
Laserkey and hp2490
Thanks for the info guys I found the web site and installed the 2005 drivers but as I expected I have the same problemb< ihave tried Celluon (waste of time never reply)
Looks like my new toy will have to go back unless anyone finds the answer
sucessfull test
Dear all,
there is a WM5-driver on the plawa page aviable -
and it's working as well on WM6 (testet with Hermes)!
okay, that's not a surprise - but the german shortcuts
are working as well!
can I have a link to the plawa page you refer to? I want to use it on wm6 too.
thanks
Many Htc machines have a TouchFlo system
where is the TouchFlo for Uni?
I'm Interested to..
The Wizard has it!
Ivan has it in his ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312592&highlight=htc+touch+plugin
Its a little buggy, and you have to turn enable the Today Plugin (via Settings->Personal->Today)
Personally, I don't see the hype - what can you do with that plugin that you can't normally or with the keyboard... Or may be I'm old fashioned
what is touch flo....
But Ivan's ROM only has some of the software integrated into the build, but not the actual TouchFlo itself, which, more or less, is centered on the Cube thingy, and control with your finger.
Yep, it's just the today plug-ins.. no actual finger scrolling cube thing.
From what I recall, there are no VGA graphics in the package, even though it is VGA aware, so it wouldn't work on a Universal unless someone can create new graphics for it.
I have a problem with the wireless ... tried numerous of times to connect to a wpa-tsk network, i know the password but doesn't connect to it, my MAC address is in the trusted list but still doesn't connect to it. With my previous ROM (mda original) i've connected to it flawlessly.
Anybody had this problem with this ROM?
Thx!
Lots of ROM images have the WPA issue.
Try this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303685
No touch software, but considering the memory leaks, and bugs people are reporting on other devices using the software, I don't think you will be missing much by not having it.
I've roamed the forum and didn't found much about this possibity.
Could a wm6 ppc such as a Kaiser could be used as a bluetooth keyboard and paired with, let's say, a PS3 ?
I know there is a BT gps forwarding app (gps2blue) and so it doesn't seem totally undoable...
any thoughts ?
Have a look at http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php .
I wanted to port it to wm6 but I do not have enough knowledge and experience in ppc programming. It uses GTK and Bluez and runs on linux, so I think porting it would mean rewriting mostly everything (the bluetooth part as well as the window system part).
But who knows, there are such great developers on xda-dev. Maybe someone has enough time to do this ? If so, I'm really interested.
you could use an application like TabletRemoteControlSuite of SallingClicker. they don't implement Bluetooth HID protocol, but they can be used to remotely control keyboard and mouse over bluetooth / wifi...
Thanks for the link. Sallingclicker is a nice concept but requires a host client, which is a no-no for using in non mac/pc environment.
xkbd-bthid is actually closer to what i'm looking for, sadly not running on wm6...
true, all tools I know require a 'server' application running on you computer...which can be annoying
mabye you can make over your request to Teksoft. They already made the BlueMouse application which enables your PDA to function as a real bluetooth mouse...so I guess they have enough knowledge to create a similar application for a virtual bluetooth keyboad HID, but then it will probably also be shareware instead of opensource...
EDIT: while looking thru the forum at Teksoft, I just noticed that they are already working on a Bluetooth Keyboard HID for theire program Bluemouse...http://teksoftco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1583&highlight=keyboard
Hu...no, from what i gathered from the teksoft site, what i'm looking for is the exact opposite: pairing my kaiser AS a standard bt keyboard, not pairing it WITH one.
thanks for the link anyway.
you're right, I mixed them up...
hi,
did you already found something for wm6? I'm looking for exactly the same function.
regards
for now this is the solution which is the closest by far:
anyRemote
otherwise tuxmobil.org has some programs listed, but nothing really compareable to xkbd-bthid. sadly.
BlueTooth Windows Media Player control???
Does any one know If I can use my ppc to control windows media player remotely??
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You can try GRemote, you can connect it through ActiveSync/BT/WiFi, it can use any SIP as keyboard or the hardware keyboard (it has an option for the side of opening the hardware keyboard, for Touch Pro and TyTN II (they open in different directions)), it can be used to control WMP, and not shure about WinAmp, it can be used as TouchPad and as a GameePad. It can be used as Logitech MX Air, but your phone needs a G-Sensor.
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Does any one know If I can use my ppc to control windows media player remotely??
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Salling clicker is a really good solution for that.
i'm using it to control the mouse/media player/winamp/screen....
there are many scripts out there for this app which let you control a lot of aspects of your comp.
Gremote did not work with my device or computer. too hard to set up. spent an hour and a half before I realized that it is in the diamond section, and probably will not work for me anyway. The rest of the stuff I found is for java.
This reallly bugs me. didn't anyone at MS think about using a ppc to control wmp through activesync??? I bet they thought of it at apple.
F""K it. I give up.
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Gremote did not work with my device or computer. too hard to set up. spent an hour and a half before I realized that it is in the diamond section, and probably will not work for me anyway. The rest of the stuff I found is for java.
This reallly bugs me. didn't anyone at MS think about using a ppc to control wmp through activesync??? I bet they thought of it at apple.
F""K it. I give up.
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GRemote should work on other devices, altough without acceloremeter some parts will not work completely, but I expect the keyboard and mouse to be working. I'll try myself on my wizard this week.
Did you try Salling Clicker? Very nice tool with very good integration for windows mobile and itunes remote control. and you extend with many script from their forum.
PPC - Keyboard
I need to be able to either plug my Touch Pro into the computer via USB cable which i use to sync or connect it via bluetooth by plugging in some sort of USB dongle.
Either way, I will need to be able to not have to install activesync or any other drivers. I need a plug-n-play solution.
I will be working on multiple computers which have just been re-imaged at work. I do not want to swap keyboards & mouse back and forth between them constantly; however, swapping the dongle or USB cord to my phone wouldn't be as bad. I cannot install software on these PC's to support this.
I would like to plug it in and it recognizes it as a keyboard/mouse just like it would with a real keyboard or mouse.
How would I go about doing this?? Does the Salling Clicker software support this??
bugsysiegals said:
I need to be able to either plug my Touch Pro into the computer via USB cable which i use to sync or connect it via bluetooth by plugging in some sort of USB dongle.
Either way, I will need to be able to not have to install activesync or any other drivers. I need a plug-n-play solution.
I will be working on multiple computers which have just been re-imaged at work. I do not want to swap keyboards & mouse back and forth between them constantly; however, swapping the dongle or USB cord to my phone wouldn't be as bad. I cannot install software on these PC's to support this.
I would like to plug it in and it recognizes it as a keyboard/mouse just like it would with a real keyboard or mouse.
How would I go about doing this?? Does the Salling Clicker software support this??
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no it doesn"t... so far I couldn't find any application wich will work without installing some kind of 'server' on your pc, you always need a PDA and PC application. The apps which are working like this are: SallingClicker (many nice extra features for music and presentations), GRemote (freeware) and PPC Table (nice interface).
My small sony ericsson very simple mobile phone supports a bt mouse and bt keyboard interface. I don't need anything to be installed on pc (except bluetooth stack) and it will recognize my phone as if it is a standard bluetooth mouse or keyboard. Such an application would be very nice for Windows Mobile...
Has anyone tried the Stowaway/Thinkoutside Bluetooth keyboard with the Touch pro yet?
I had one for my 6700, but it got stolen out of my car 2 weeks ago so I never had a chance to test it with my new touch pro. I'm debating whether to purchase a replacement.
The reason I'm concerned about using the bluetooth keyboard - is that HTC messed with the key assignment such that it's impossible to reassign keys in other programs without running "Kfortouchpro" in the background. If the bluetooth keyboard uses the standard definitions, then it wouldn't work.
I'd appreciate any feedback.
And typing should be better. I am missing my keybord for my palm TX too.
German Computer Magazin CT was writing something about this mini BT keybord which shoul be working with PDAs: http://www.maxpoint.de/de/products/keyboards.php?pid=1_3_7&we_objectID=608
The ACK-3400 U should be developed for PDAs. But it is missing some manuals and parameters. Thats why getting your PDAs working via BT should be "luck".
I think this keyboard is a good salution becaus there is no mechanic for falting. I am working much with my old keyboard and I had to replace it after 2 years...
I am really interested in using a bluetooth keyboard. Let me know if there is some new information.
http://www.au-ja.de/review-keysonic-htpc-btkeyboards-4.phtml
This is a test...
There is no word on testing the keybord via bluetooth on a PDA.
regards Olaf
I used to have this one for my 6700:
http://www.110220volts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SBT5ER
I can confirm that it worked great. It folded up into the size of a deck of cards and was just as fast as a regular keyboard.
They're very popular - so I'm surprised no one's answered my question directly yet.
I'm hoping this keyboard (or one of the many like it) is compatible with the Touch Pro so I can buy a replacement. Damn thieves. :-(
My igo stowaway BT KB works on my fuze, although when I shutdown the program, it gives me a "we're sorry ... a problem..." and wants to send a report. I just don't send. It seems everything works, just that flaky thing. I use the PPC5 eng. driver online.
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My igo stowaway BT KB works on my fuze, although when I shutdown the program, it gives me a "we're sorry ... a problem..." and wants to send a report. I just don't send. It seems everything works, just that flaky thing. I use the PPC5 eng. driver online.
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Thanks! That's the kind of information I was looking for. I appreciate the help.
I picked up an AT&T Fuze on Friday; it paired up just fine with my Freedom Universal Keyboard. It uses the HID profile, so no drivers required.
Then that freedom KB board may be a better bet, because of the HID.
Quick vid to show off HID profile support in 2.2 firmware builds, really enjoying it with TV Out, like having another laptop in the house (one with a 42inch screen mind). Need to sort out some remote desktop action, should be sweet with this setup!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21aVbYpgrRA
...and here is another showing the Zeemote in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8y5Z_Xc7fI
EDIT: Although I believe any HID-based keyboard/mouse should work, here is an ongoing list of those confirmed by users to work -
- Palm 3245WW BT keyboard, fully working on JPH and JPK ROM's.
- The wireless (bluetooth) apple keyboard
- Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 fully working on JPH & JPK ROM's.
- Logitech Dinovo Working like a charm. Keyboard as well as the mouse.
- DealExtreme Mini Bluetooth keyboard
- SU-8W is a go!
- Logitech DiNovo EDGE
- KeySonic "Super Mini Keyboard" ACK-340BT works, including the touchpad
EDIT EDIT: Just so its here on the front page - WiiMotes still do not work despite the addition of HID support.
Is anybody else able to confirm that BT HID devices do not work with the JPU 2.2.1 firmware?
OMG so HID works on 2.2? Does that mean apple keyboards and crap will work (cause they seem to be easily available, not that i like them "that" much)
I really want a close to fullsize BT keyboard (or something which is very easy to type with (i wanna use it for uni), any recommendations?
Before I updated to 2.2 I confirmed that with another user who was using an Apple keyboard, so I'm assuming its all good. By its nature HID-supporting keyboards should all work with 2.2 builds.
Great news, thanks for sharing mate
If you try another keyboard post here and let us know how you get on.
WiiMote support would be awesome! Can somebody check that please...
That's so cool! Thanks for sharing. Does that BT keyboard you use include the stand for your phone?
@Zvenn: Yep, it has the stand.
I've not tried WiiMotes yet, but another user says they still don't work (I'm inclined to believe him, since the WiiMote Android software only works with a particular BT implementation - not Samsungs).
Name of keyboard?
Its an iGo Ultraslim Stowaway keyboard (Dell branded in this case because it was half the price of the iGo one, despite being made by them...not sure how that works, but was happy at the time). For my money its still the best ultraportable folding keyboard (its hinge mechanism is sheer genius), but sadly its been out of production a couple of years now. If you can get your hands on one somehow it really is great.
I have a Palm 3245WW BT keyboard, fully working on JPH and JPK ROM's.
Thanks for that, updated first post to include that info.
I impulse bought the microsoft bluetooth mobile keyboard 6000 (only cause managed to haggle it down by 20 bucks ).
It doesn't work on JM7 (as expected. It pairs but doesn't connect), but I will try on froyo soon. I want to wait for official froyo or at least the next stable release before updating though.
I really hope this keyboard is compatible cause i just spent 80AUD on it lol.
Hope it works! Can't see why not, providing its a HID device.
I was using the Apple key-board on the G1...
I know, I know...I hate Apple too, but on my G1 I was connecting the the Apple bluetooth keyboard. Nice piece of equipment - metal.
Although it was not an automatic connection, I had to manually start the drivers every time I want to use it. A bit of a pain, but it was working fine....and that on the G1!
I'll try it sometime in the next few days and report back on how I did it and if it even works with the Vibrant.
hy guys
i have a very old version of Freedom Universal bluetooth keyboard.
i don't found the model on the Freedom web site, but is similar of these: http://www.freedominput.com/technical-support/technical-support/technical-support.
mi have follow the android installation guide concerning the universal keyboard pro, i have make a paring of keyboard, i have download and install the drivers, but a message tell me that this driver are only for a universal keyboard pro and not for my model.
some time ago, with my iphone, the problem was that my keyboard had not a spp mode, and for me was impossible connect it.
now, my impression is that the problem is more simple because i can make a pair, i can install the drivers and these work fine! but..i see this message and the keyboard don't work...
i know that this is a very old keyboard..but before change it, i want to be sure that i can't use them with my device android.
and second question..if i must change it..some suggestion for the model? i don't like yet universal keyboard, becasue i think that is impossible that this product is not supported in after market.
sam213 Don't change the keyboard. It WILL work with froyo. I have had the freedom universal keyboard for a few years now and it works great with any device that supports HID. (Nokia n95, n900, my laptop, lego NXT). The drivers that freedom input make are for devices which don't natively support HID
Hi Rc-Blob
thanks for your reply...
but..i have on my galaxy S already a froyo relaise (the "famous" jpk version)...
how i can connect thie two device to work with him?
i don't know what is the HID..samsung galaxy s support this? and if is supporte..how i can use them?
thanks and i'm sorry!!!
Thanks OP for this!
I'm really looking forward to 2.2 now, if only the WiiMotes would work!
bert269 said:
I know, I know...I hate Apple too, but on my G1 I was connecting the the Apple bluetooth keyboard. Nice piece of equipment - metal.
Although it was not an automatic connection, I had to manually start the drivers every time I want to use it. A bit of a pain, but it was working fine....and that on the G1!
I'll try it sometime in the next few days and report back on how I did it and if it even works with the Vibrant.
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The wireless (bluetooth) apple keyboard works great with the Samsung Galaxy S international (Froyo JPK). Absolutely no hassle. Turn on bluetooth, press a key on the keyboard and *bam* connected..